From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 19 2004 Volume 13 : Number 294 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: pre-reap? [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 [Michael R Godwin ] RE: pre-reap? ["FS Thomas" ] Re: pre-reap? [Ken Weingold ] Re: the blatz's ally [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 [John Irvine ] Re: the blatz's ally [Christopher Gross ] Re: the blatz's ally [2fs ] Black Snack Diamond RAWK! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 [Jeff Dwarf ] The Emotional Toothpaste [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! [Tom Clark ] William Shatner [Ken Weingold ] Zephyr kicked ass and you know it!!! Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! [Jeff ] Never mind Smile, THIS is the long-awaited music news of the year! [Eb ] ye ghods! [James Dignan ] RE: pre-reap? [James Dignan ] RE: pre-reap? ["Marc Alberts" ] Re: pre-reap? [Bret ] Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! [Jon Lewis ] Re: pre-reap? [Ken Weingold ] Re: rolling stone spooked review ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: pre-reap? >[Pillion? I've never seen that word before. Huh.] You haven't seen the word pillion? What do USers call pillion then? What other word is there for it??? >Pop star critically ill after crash >By Thair Shaikh > >MARC ALMOND, the singer who came to fame in the pop >duo Soft Cell in the Eighties, was in a critical >condition in a London hospital last night after >suffering severe head injuries in a motorbike crash. doesn't sound good. Pre-reap could well be right. But dagnabbit when will people stop using the word "ill" when they mean "injured"? Did he catch a disease on the way to the hospital or something? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:00:42 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 > - -tc avers: > I meant to mention it while the debating was in full swing, but this, > the Rolling Stone review, and the fact that Dylan played Santa Clara > University last night reminded me that even though Bawb is some 12 years > Robyn's senior, he still rocks harder and more consistently. Has anyone read vol 1 of RZ's memoirs yet? It has been getting rave reviews in the London press. - - Mike Godwin now revising: Data Retrieval and Management, for a class I'm giving in 15 minutes... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:05:44 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: pre-reap? That's a sad bit of news. Hope he pulls through it. >[Pillion? I've never seen that word before. Huh.] Picture: - -------- http://www.corbin.com/triumph/amer2.jpg Definition: - ----------- Etymology: ScGaelic or Irish; Scottish Gaelic pillean, diminutive of peall covering, couch; Irish pillmn, diminutive of peall covering, couch 1 a : a light saddle for women consisting chiefly of a cushion b : a pad or cushion put on behind a man's saddle chiefly for a woman to ride on 2 chiefly British : a motorcycle or bicycle saddle for a passenger - -ferris "not the slightest bit ill" thomas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:12:31 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Mon, Oct 18, 2004, FS Thomas wrote: > 1 a : a light saddle for women consisting chiefly of a cushion b : a pad > or cushion put on behind a man's saddle chiefly for a woman to ride on Ah, a p-pad. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:00:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: the blatz's ally [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:18 , Tom Clark sent: >Just thought it was ironic since Robyn *is* compared to Dylan quite >often, and he's noted him as a large influence on his own career. Robyn is a great songwriter and a wonderful entertainer, but if Robyn is a man, Bob Dylan is a god. It's like comparing a june bug to a hurricane. That's a revision of a Lucinda Williams line. >> What's with all this "rocking" stuff? You'd think we were talking >> about Whitesnake or something. Robyn's *never* rocked with any >> straightforward roll - even his loudest, noisiest stuff (say, on _Can >> of Bees_) is rather sideways and doesn't pretend to inspire legions of >> mulleted trailer-park denizens to loft lit lighters skyward. Is that prejudice and contempt based on social class or economic status? You know the hippies started that shit at GD shows. >Jesus Christ was a sham. > >> In sum, fuck you Tom Clark. ;) Actually, that is true. At most he was a lazy, good for nuthin' slacker. Think of all the things he should have done? On another note, Putin is rootin for Bush. What's that about? gSs nip - 'round midnight, t. monk - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:03:26 -0400 From: John Irvine Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 Speaking of old guys rawkin, I saw the Damned play in Baltimore recently and they seriously kicked it out for a number of hours. I mean the Captain and Dave were in better shape and leapt around twice as much as the young guys n' gals wot they're playing wif. And yes I do dig jumping around. Smash it up lads. Re- Spooked - great album on it's own terms. As long as you don't expect it to be what it ain't, it's quite swell. If you like it great. If you hate it great. Who cares? Let's talk about Costello's latest now shall we? Sh!te? Great? Wotty'all say? - -John I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the blatz's ally On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > On another note, Putin is rootin for Bush. What's that about? Simple: they've formed the Coalition of Leaders Who Use Terrorism As an Excuse to Do Whatever the Fuck They Want. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:25:59 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the blatz's ally On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:00:00 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com > Robyn is a great songwriter and a wonderful entertainer, but if Robyn is a man, > Bob Dylan is a god. It's like comparing a june bug to a hurricane. That's a > revision of a Lucinda Williams line. What's this? For the second or third time in a year or so, I'm actually agreeing with something Greg says? The apocalypse is nigh! (Nice Lucinda ref too - now Rex'll be jealous.) > >> What's with all this "rocking" stuff? You'd think we were talking > >> about Whitesnake or something. Robyn's *never* rocked with any > >> straightforward roll - even his loudest, noisiest stuff (say, on _Can > >> of Bees_) is rather sideways and doesn't pretend to inspire legions of > >> mulleted trailer-park denizens to loft lit lighters skyward. > > Is that prejudice and contempt based on social class or economic status? Nope - it's prejudice and contempt based on crappy music. And bad hairstyles. - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:36:36 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! Jeffrey: >>What's with all this "rocking" stuff? You'd think we were talking >>about Whitesnake or something. Robyn's *never* rocked with any >>straightforward roll - even his loudest, noisiest stuff (say, on _Can >>of Bees_) is rather sideways and doesn't pretend to inspire legions of >>mulleted trailer-park denizens to loft lit lighters skyward. Yes, people, be careful what you wish for. Anyone remember Electrafixion? (Shudder.) I'd give kudos to Wire and Kristin Hersh's new band 50 Foot Wave for successfully going louder than ever before at "a certain age"... but both of those artists have firmer roots in "punk" than Robyn to begin with. Discounting the (aweseome and getting better all the time) SB's record, what was the last "rockin' Robyn" record per all Egyptians fans: Perspex Island? Because I've not seen much love for that one lately. The record that you guys want from Robyns would sound most like... what? EoL? Jes' sayin'... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #293 Michael R Godwin wrote: > Has anyone read vol 1 of RZ's memoirs yet? It has been > getting rave reviews in the London press. Not yet, but it's waiting to be the next BART book I read, as soon as I finish the lastest Molly Ivins anthology. ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: The Emotional Toothpaste John Irvine wrote: > Let's talk about Costello's latest now shall we? Sh!te? > Great? Wotty'all say? Very good. Rocks pretty hard. Probably was wise to abandon making it proper song cycle, and just plucking the best pieces and jumbling them around, something that CVB should have considered (though I generally like New Roman Times; it could have been tighter though). ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:56:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: > The record that you guys want from Robyns would sound most like... > what? EoL? Anything with drums and bass on at least 80% of the tracks. - -tc, bored. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:12:40 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: William Shatner He's 73. Damn. But he's got a new album. Holy shit it's bad. All you need to hear is the samples at the iTunes store. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Zephyr kicked ass and you know it!!! Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! "Rex.Broome" wrote: About Robyn rocking or not rocking: > Yes, people, be careful what you wish for. Anyone > remember Electrafixion? (Shudder.) The deficiencies of the Electrafixion album have more to do with Ian and Will only writing have an album's worth of songs, and then still relegating a couple of them to b-sides. If they had chosen to release a 6 song ep instead of an album, it would have been pretty damn great. By the time they got back to writing well together, they decided (rightly) to rechristen The Bunnymen and bring Les back in (until he had to leave and take care of his kids). > I'd give kudos to Wire and Kristin Hersh's new band 50 > Foot Wave for successfully going louder than ever before > at "a certain age"... but both of those artists have > firmer roots in "punk" than Robyn to begin with. And note the size of the two Wire eps before Send and the 50 Foot Wave release.... > Discounting the (aweseome and getting better all the > time) SB's record, what was the last "rockin' Robyn" > record per all Egyptians fans: Perspex Island? Because > I've not seen much love for that one lately. The record > that you guys want from Robyns would sound most like... > what? EoL? > Jes' sayin'... > > -Rex > ===== "[The Bush administration] deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride." -- President Aleksander Kwasniewski, Poland "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:46:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Never mind Smile, THIS is the long-awaited music news of the year! http://tisue.net/jandek/ Check the pictures!!!! Eb np: Fruit Bats ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:02:18 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: A Star for Robyn Sings the Luxor Spooks In a message dated 10/17/2004 9:00:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: > But it's not like Spooked is the > second, let along third or fourth, straight quiet "proper" > album. Well... Spooked, Luxor, Robyn Sings, plus Star For Bram have all been released since Sophia... and the total amount of "quiet" songs on those releases is staggering. I would rather listen to Around the Sun for a full 24 hour period than be subjected to those 4 releases back to back. As long as Robyn puts out a CD on the market for sale, I'm going to consider it a proper release. After all, is there really a difference nowadays anyway? Glad to hear there is another out there who doesn't find the funny little man with the guitar routine as cool as it once was... I also found Sophia to be horribly dated the day I heard it. It sounded like a deperate attempt to be "In"... Oh well... Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:17:29 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: >>The record that you guys want from Robyns would sound most like... >>what? EoL? TC came back with: >Anything with drums and bass on at least 80% of the tracks. I would prefer a 4th member/instrument. Either a second guitarist, or even a keyboard player. Doesn't have to be Mr. Rew or Roger Jackson. This would of course extend to his touring band. Given that Robyn doesn't like the stress/responsibilities of handling the band thing, someone else would have to step up. I always liked the sound of the 1987-89 Go-Betweens. 2 guitars, bass, drums and the 5th member was Amanda Brown who played violin, oboe and also the occasional acoustic guitar as well. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:28:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:56:59 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: > On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > > The record that you guys want from Robyns would sound most like... > > what? EoL? > > Anything with drums and bass on at least 80% of the tracks. So, Low rocks - and _Metal Machine Music_ is elevator music? (Okay - it *is* "broken elevator screeching against the elevator shaft walls with its cable slamming repeatedly into the walls and shooting off sparks as its occupants scream in terror" music) - -- ++Jeff++ The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:36:44 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: ye ghods! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:38:27 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: RE: pre-reap? >Definition: >----------- >Etymology: ScGaelic or Irish; Scottish Gaelic pillean, diminutive of >peall covering, couch; Irish pillmn, diminutive of peall covering, couch > >1 a : a light saddle for women consisting chiefly of a cushion b : a pad >or cushion put on behind a man's saddle chiefly for a woman to ride on > >2 chiefly British : a motorcycle or bicycle saddle for a passenger Not just the seat! A second person on a motorcycle, horse, skateboard(?), surfboard or bicycle is usually said to be the pillion passenger. I've even heard it when talking about those old two-seater prop-driven aeroplanes. Must be one of those "separated by a common language" things. It's so common in international English that I was surprised it wasn't used in the US. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:12:00 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: pre-reap? James Dignan wrote: > >I don't surf, my bike only holds one, and any animals bigger > than me scare > >the crap out of me, so maybe that's it. However, in looking up the term, > >there does seem to be a difference from UK dictionaries and US > ones, where > >the US ones only refer to the actual seat (and thus the surfing example > >wouldn't fly very well by any strict usage), while the UK > dictionaries allow > >it to refer to either the cushion itself or the position > immediately behind > >the driver. > > > >Still, I had never heard it, and I'm a bit more educated than most of the > >yahoos and yokels in these here parts. > > fair enough - sounds like it's one of those "separated by a common > language" things. I'm having lunch tomorrow with one of my rugby teammates (all-you-can-eat for that big Aussie prop), so I'll ask him just to verify it's as common in the other English speaking realms as it would seem. With all the Kiwis, Aussies, Poms, Welshmen and Afrikaaners that I hang out with, many of which ride motorcycles, I can't believe I haven't heard it before. > PS - unnervingly I misread your name with the first message. No > prizes for guessing what as, given the original article it referred > to! I'm not sure I could guess. Apparently, your mind works in mysterious ways to this antipodean person. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:29:11 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: pre-reap? I very seldom hear the word, but my scooter reapir manuals and parts cats (vintage) all list the pillion seat as just that. around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding bitch'. go figure. - -b robyn fan and vintage scooter/motorcycle rider/restorer On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:12:00 -0700, Marc Alberts wrote: > James Dignan wrote: > > >I don't surf, my bike only holds one, and any animals bigger > > than me scare > > >the crap out of me, so maybe that's it. However, in looking up the term, > > >there does seem to be a difference from UK dictionaries and US > > ones, where > > >the US ones only refer to the actual seat (and thus the surfing example > > >wouldn't fly very well by any strict usage), while the UK > > dictionaries allow > > >it to refer to either the cushion itself or the position > > immediately behind > > >the driver. > > > > > >Still, I had never heard it, and I'm a bit more educated than most of the > > >yahoos and yokels in these here parts. > > > > fair enough - sounds like it's one of those "separated by a common > > language" things. > > I'm having lunch tomorrow with one of my rugby teammates (all-you-can-eat > for that big Aussie prop), so I'll ask him just to verify it's as common in > the other English speaking realms as it would seem. With all the Kiwis, > Aussies, Poms, Welshmen and Afrikaaners that I hang out with, many of which > ride motorcycles, I can't believe I haven't heard it before. > > > PS - unnervingly I misread your name with the first message. No > > prizes for guessing what as, given the original article it referred > > to! > > I'm not sure I could guess. Apparently, your mind works in mysterious ways > to this antipodean person. > > Marc > - -- - --Bret Bolton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:12:23 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Black Snack Diamond RAWK! On Monday, October 18, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > > Discounting the (aweseome and getting better all the time) SB's > record, what was the last "rockin' Robyn" record per all Egyptians > fans: Perspex Island? > It was not at all Egyptians-like, and more power to it, but surely A Star For Bram was a full-fledged rock record? Exhibit A: 1974. Exhibit B: Adoration of the City. Exhibit C: Philosopher's Stone. Exhibit D: The Underneath. Certainly a more rawk sound than the Egyptians, who, let's face it, were as muso as The Police. NOT that there's anything wrong with it! Just listened to Globe at work today, and it's still stone magic. Tom Clark wrote: > > >> The record that you guys want from Robyn would sound most like... >> what? EoL? > > Anything with drums and bass on at least 80% of the tracks. Bram, Bram, Bram. How many non-band songs were on there, even? I Wish I Liked You, Judas Sings, I Saw Nick Drake, and that piano-based one. And Daisy Bomb, but that doesn't count, 'cause it's got very distorted electric guitars. So that's 4 songs out of... okay, 12. So Bram has only a 66.666% rawkin' average, but still, when it rawks it does so with gusto. I won't hear of it not being a proper record. It coheres better than Sophia, and has a good half-dozen all-time gems. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:43:00 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: pre-reap? On Mon, Oct 18, 2004, Bret wrote: > around here (in the south US) its pretty much known as "riding bitch'. > go figure. I've heard that term, but when I said "p-pad", I wonder if it was understood as "pillion-pad", but I know it as "pussy-pad". - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:33:23 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: rolling stone spooked review > From: bisontentacle > > Robyn Hitchcock Spooked (Yep Roc) > > Sometimes Hitchcock's verbal > visions seem inspired by A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- I misread this as "A Hitchcocker's Guide to the Galaxy." Might be a good slogan for this list. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #294 ********************************