From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #267 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 22 2004 Volume 13 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- most...overrated...oomph...ever! ["Rex Broome" ] Certainly the most overrated Band ever named that ["Rex Broome" ] More eBay help [Mike Swedene ] Hitchcock shows/easytree.org [Stony ] Re: Hitchcock shows/easytree.org [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Hitchcock shows/easytree.org [Ken Weingold ] Re: Replacements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Jansch etc [Michael R Godwin ] Re: most...overrated...oomph...ever! ["Fortissimo" ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: most...overrated...oomph...ever! ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: reap ["Jason R. Thornton" ] [VegFriends] museum update! [fingerpuppets ] RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax [Eb ] RE: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! [Eb ] RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax [Eb ] PONGMECHANIK (No RH) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax [Tom Clark ] Cat the Terrorist [Ken Weingold ] RE: gnat-responds dB's ["Brian" ] Re: Cat the Terrorist ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Cat the Terrorist [Jeff Dwarf ] 1000 Years of Popular Music [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! [Vendren ] RE: gnat-responds dB's [Eb ] dB's dBut ["Rex Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:26:15 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: most...overrated...oomph...ever! Jeffrey 'n' Miles: > >It seems that if it's the first one, it'd be easier and more accurate to > >say "I've never understood why everyone likes Band X," > > It's almost always the first one, which most readers understand perfectly well. I've been known to say your suggested substitute phrase too, but if I'm sufficient level of "wtf?" when listening to something, the more careful phrase just doesn't have the "oomph" of "overrated," and where's the accuracy in that? It's a slippery slope, isn't it? It seems like an area where we as humans have a tendency to elevate our opinions, which we normally know to be equal parts instinct and bullshit, to the arena of stone-cold fact just because we have the concrete example of a bunch of morons heaping praise upon shit we know to be shit to rail against (syntax parse-ability is for sissies, I tell you.) You see it more often in the athletic arena as cited by Miles, but at least there are *some* meaningful statistics there, and athletes do have, as their jobs, the goal of besting each other in competition. But yeah, "overrated" is tricky. I think you end up pasting the label on the thing you believe to have the highest discrepancy between being the lowest form of utter unlistenable shit, and being elevated to crazed levels of praise of one form or another. In other words, the ratio of the Miles Goosens WTF Sufficiency Level : Mean Level of Critical Salivation Between Rolling Stone and Trouser Press. Or something. A little more objectively, I might even say that some of the most overrated rock bands are ones that I actually like, but who probably shouldn't loom as large in the pantheon as they do. Nirvana, the Sex Pistols, and the Stooges come to mind... I wouldn't part with any of their records, but none of them scratch the surface of my list of absolute favorites. Just under that bar in my book is Radiohead, who I don't think are bad at all, but find so wildly overrated that I don't need or want to own any of their records. On the other hand, I truly think Smashing Pumpkins were nearly devoid of merit of any kind, and they sold hells of records, received some glowing reviews, and did work that's regarded as "classic" by many. So perhaps they'd be my pick. But I know a lot of other people kind of think they're crap, too, and they got a lot of negative press as well; the sort of indier-than-thou critics who overrate the Replacements did a fair amount of bitching about them, anyhow. "Overrated" might imply the kind of teflon credibility achieved only by the dead and those who never got famous enough for anyone to know about them who didn't feel obligated to at least pretend to like them... at least that's the flavor of "overrated" that I inferred from Nora's use of the term. Or it's just who you happen to talk to or what you happen to read, in which case it's your own damned fault for hanging out with people or reading publications with shitty taste in music. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:29:05 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Certainly the most overrated Band ever named that Miles: > My all-time overrated pick is probably the Band. I like 'em > backing Dylan, but as themselves... let's put it this way: > If they sounded anywhere as great as Greil Marcus' descriptions of > their music in MYSTERY TRAIN, I'd understand the hosannas, but > the actual records haven't done anything for me in nearly a > quarter-century of trying. Hmmm. Well, okay. Sort of a different topic, but I've always felt that one of the main reasons the Band is *underrated*, or at least not mentioned in the same breath as the top tier of theoretical Hall of Famers*, is that their lineup was so weird and non-analogous to most other bands then or since, and people love to compare bands based on their personnel. Two keyboard players and three lead singers, none of whom were the primary songwriter... and that's before they start switching around to let the bassist play mandolin. Doesn't invite direct comparisons to the Who or anything, does it? - -Rex *yes, I know that there is an *actual* Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but by the same token, don't we all also know that there really isn't? - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:22:14 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Replacements The replacements are a band that I have yet to hear any of... so can I ask what is probably an obvious question to their fans but perplexing to those not in the know... How come they're often referred to as the Mats? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: More eBay help What would you do with this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=153&item=3840166200&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW mike np - Weezer "Pink Triangle" ===== - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:49:24 +1000 (EST) From: Stony Subject: Hitchcock shows/easytree.org I am soooooo in love with easytree.org that I may just ejaculate all over myself. Over the past two weeks I have downloaded and shared so many Robyn and Pink Floyd shows that my live music collection will never be the same. Anyone interested in acquiring some killer music should definitely check it out. The administrators and moderators are some of the most helpful people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with and respond quite graciously to the most moronic of inquiries from newbies like me. The only downfall is that my harddisk space seems to be so inadequate. No Soft Boys stuff that I've seen yet, though. Maybe woj could correct that, though............ - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:10:21 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Hitchcock shows/easytree.org On Sep 21, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Stony wrote: > I am soooooo in love with easytree.org that I may just ejaculate all > over myself. Uhm, too much information dude... - -Steve (enjoying the new Elvis Costello album, spooge-free) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:07:06 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax > Hmmm. I love all three of those bands, but they hit very different spots for me than the Replacements did. Oddball pop classicism in the case of the first two, and melodic grrrr-rowr in the last one. The 'Mats were more "real rock'n'roll that happens not to suck and thus should be celebrated because that's damned rare". What's the Lets Active music like? I'd had some weird thing for the band Snatches of Pink for about 15 years now, and Sara Romweber, the drummer, was in Lets Active. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:09:56 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Hitchcock shows/easytree.org On Tue, Sep 21, 2004, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > -Steve (enjoying the new Elvis Costello album, spooge-free) Come on, Steve (no pun intended), go for it. Ejaculate all over yourself. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:11:14 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Replacements On Wed, Sep 22, 2004, James Dignan wrote: > The replacements are a band that I have yet to hear any of... so can > I ask what is probably an obvious question to their fans but > perplexing to those not in the know... How come they're often > referred to as the Mats? "Replacements"... "placemats"..... "Mats".... Sounds silly, but that's how I always knew it. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:04:43 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Jansch etc > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:21:28 +1200 > From: James Dignan > Subject: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! > > Does anyone know whether Robyn has ever mentioned whether he's a fan > of Jansch's music? Robyn is obviously a big fan of the ISB, who started up as part of the same Edinburgh folk scene as Jansch before my time - i.e. very early 60s. I'm sure he is aware of Bert's solo work and also the Jansch and Renbourn duo albums which were essential listening for all UK sixties acoustic pickers. > James (coughing up lovely greenish-yellow phlegm) I've been on the co-amoxiclav for the last week. I'm still wheezy, but the phlegm colour is less virulent. Get well soon! Rex: > Oddly, I've just recently heard Jansch for the first time (that I know > of) recently, in the course of a radio interview with Neil Young, who > copped to having inadvertantly lifted the melody of "Ambulance Blues" > from... "Needle of Death"! The two songs were then played back to back, > and yeah, you can hear it. I'd forgotten until this very minute that > the tune we were discussion was the very tune I'd heard, and the only > one by Jansch I've ever heard, at that. You've got a treat in store. From the early albums, you must hear: Strollin' down the highway Running from home Courting Blues Angie (I didn't know there was anyone in the world who hadn't heard 'Angie'!) Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (Jansch and Renbourn vs Mingus) Black Waterside (remind you of anybody?) A woman like you etc And you have an even bigger treat when you discover Davey Graham, who originally wrote 'Anji' (sic). The album recorded in a student's room at Hull is sensational, even though there is a lot of background chat etc. > From: Dr John Halewood > The erstwhile Mr Godwin wrote: > > A mate of mine was recently raving about High Tide (gives you some idea > > of the sort of people I know) - he claimed that Bowie tried to hire the > > whole group for a tour, but finished up only with Simon House. > Possibly, but Bowie must have waited for a long time - after High Tide, > Simon House joined Hawkwind and stayed there for 3 or 4 years until they > self-destructed in 1977 at the end of a US tour (and, of course, being > Hawkwind, to reassemble themselves the next year with a completely > different lineup). Point taken, John. My guess is that, if the rumour is true, it refers to a time when High Tide were still a going concern; so there was a long gap before the Bowie-House tie-up actually took place. But I have no definite info. > Michael B. > >Hoagy Carmichael's 'Hong Kong Blues': > Dang, it's not on my Hoagy Carmichael and Friends: Stardust Melody CD! I've got it on a Hoagy cheapo double CD maroon-boxed set, in the same series as some pre-rock'n'roll compilations. Great value, great songs, 1930s/40s recording quality. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Davey Graham - "Maajun" PS Back in a week or so - have to go to Kos to sit on a beach, visit the Asklepion, drink ouzo, do nothing ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:59:38 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: most...overrated...oomph...ever! On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:26:15 -0800, "Rex Broome" said: > But yeah, "overrated" is tricky. I think you end up pasting the label on > the thing you believe to have the highest discrepancy between being the > lowest form of utter unlistenable shit, and being elevated to crazed > levels of praise of one form or another. In other words, the ratio of > the Miles Goosens WTF Sufficiency Level : Mean Level of Critical > Salivation Between Rolling Stone and Trouser Press. Or something. Right. I was looking to express it in ink mathematics but couldn't get the mojo. > A little more objectively, I might even say that some of the most > overrated rock bands are ones that I actually like, but who probably > shouldn't loom as large in the pantheon as they do. Janis Joplin. A pretty good Texas-blues belter, of which there are and were many upon manies - but then she died. With one or two exceptions (that qualify in the same realm as "one-hit wonder" songs: "Me and Bobby McGee," "Piece of My Heart"), her stuff is utterly and completely b-o-r-i-n-g to me (as is most of that stuff). But then she died. And in close proximity timewise to Hendrix and Morrison (whose band would have been better if someone else had written and sung...), and ya need things to happen in threes, so... Or maybe I'm resentful that otherwise, that trio would be Hendrix, Morrison, and (preceding them) Brian Jones. Whatever. - --in Early Morning Crank Mode(tm) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:33:16 -0500 From: steve Subject: Put the Cat out Quote of the day - "A year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush." Richard Perle AEI Keynote speech September 22, 2003 - - Steve __________ We will look back 20, 30, 50 years from now and recall this as the day marriage ceased to have any real meaning in our country. The documents being issued all across Massachusetts may say 'marriage license' at the top but they are really death certificates for the institution of marriage as it has served society for thousands of years. - James Dobson, Focus on the Family ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Russ Meyer ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:36:42 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: most...overrated...oomph...ever! Jeff wrote: >Janis Joplin. A pretty good Texas-blues belter, of which there are and >were many upon manies - but then she died. With one or two exceptions >(that qualify in the same realm as "one-hit wonder" songs: "Me and Bobby >McGee," "Piece of My Heart"), her stuff is utterly and completely >b-o-r-i-n-g to me (as is most of that stuff). She had a lot of filler in her albums, that's for sure. I bought the 8 track tape of "I've Got Them Old Cosmic Blues Again Mama" when I was a teenager and hardly ever played it. >But then she died. And in close proximity timewise to Hendrix and >Morrison (whose band would have been better if someone else had written >and sung...), and ya need things to happen in threes, so... Even though he wasn't as famous as Joplin or Hendrix, I always put the singer from Canned Heat, Alan Wilson, who also died in 1970, with Hendrix and Joplin. You could put Morrison with Duane Allman, both died in 1971. That would leave us with looking for another 1971 death though. Anyone? >Or maybe I'm resentful that otherwise, that trio would be Hendrix, >Morrison, and (preceding them) Brian Jones. Whatever. Michael B. NP The Only Ones - Why Don't You Kill Yourself? THE CBS RECORDINGS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:29:59 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: reap On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT), "Jeff Dwarf" said: > Russ Meyer > > In his honor, oppressive udders will be thrust forth at half-mast. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:51:15 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: reap At 10:29 AM 9/22/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT), "Jeff Dwarf" > said: > > Russ Meyer > > > > > >In his honor, oppressive udders will be thrust forth at half-mast. Whose half-mast are we using? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:21:47 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: [VegFriends] museum update! - ----- Forwarded message from Brenda Sledge ----- To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com From: "Brenda Sledge" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:09:09 -0000 Subject: [VegFriends] museum update! There have been several things added to the museum this week-- * a review of the White Album show written by Robyn himself with a couple of photos taken by Michele Noach. http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm * 2 links to "further glimpeses of the Spooked painting" http://www.robynhitchcock.com/news/Spooked1.jpg http://www.robynhitchcock.com/news/Spooked2.jpg AND.. * poems by Robyn! http://www.robynhitchcock.com/poems.html Cheers, Roberta - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:56:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax Nora: > Didn't you previously claim the Smiths were the most overrated band > ever? > I dont think so. I may have called The Smiths the most > underhated band ever though. OK. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:24:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! I'd agree that the Band is a bit overrated. I do think the first two albums are excellent, but the subsequent albums were awfully uneven. The Band's batting average just wasn't high enough to warrant being ranked alongside, oh, CCR, for instance. I have the first three Band albums, but I think I bought and traded back at least two others. And if someone stole my copy of Stage Fright, my life would not be ruined. Eb - -----Original Message----- My all-time overrated pick is probably the Band. I like 'em backing Dylan, but as themselves... let's put it this way: If they sounded anywhere as great as Greil Marcus' descriptions of their music in MYSTERY TRAIN, I'd understand the hosannas, but the actual records haven't done anything for me in nearly a quarter-century of trying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:50:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax I enjoy Let's Active, but I don't think they're even remotely in the Replacements' league. And coincidentally, the dB's are just like the Band -- beyond the first two albums, they turn awfully patchy. Stamey's departure was a big loss. This just randomly reminds me of how happy I was to "discover" Sneakers, much belatedly. In recent times, it's a pretty rare treat when I discover a fondness for an unknown *older* band. I can't even think of another example from the last 10 years at the moment, beyond the Raincoats. Eb - -----Original Message----- Palle: > I always thought [The Replacements] > were under-rated, in that they were better than > most stuff on the radio, but over-rated, in that I could find many other > under-rated bands of the same ilk, that I liked a whole lot more. I was much > more into the DBs, Lets Active and Husker Du when it came to college rock. Hmmm. I love all three of those bands, but they hit very different spots for me than the Replacements did. Oddball pop classicism in the case of the first two, and melodic grrrr-rowr in the last one. The 'Mats were more "real rock'n'roll that happens not to suck and thus should be celebrated because that's damned rare". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:37:24 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: PONGMECHANIK (No RH) Too cool for school: http://www.cyberniklas.de/pongmechanik/index.html Be sure to check out the video. - -Steve - -- Steve Talkowski Animation Director / Hornet Inc. 213 West 35th St. Suite 605 New York, NY 10001 http://www.hornetinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:56:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax On Sep 21, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Ken Weingold wrote: >> Hmmm. I love all three of those bands, but they hit very different >> spots for me than the Replacements did. Oddball pop classicism in >> the case of the first two, and melodic grrrr-rowr in the last one. >> The 'Mats were more "real rock'n'roll that happens not to suck and >> thus should be celebrated because that's damned rare". > > What's the Lets Active music like? I'd had some weird thing for the > band Snatches of Pink for about 15 years now, and Sara Romweber, the > drummer, was in Lets Active. > And to bring it all around again, Paul Westerberg had a relationship with Let's Active bassist Faye Hunter. Listen to "Left Of The Dial" (on "Tim") for insight into that. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:09:42 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Cat the Terrorist What the fuck? Will my wonderful government how force me to burn my Cat Stevens records? http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/22/plane.diverted.stevens/index.html - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:15:22 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: RE: gnat-responds dB's "Eb" said: > And coincidentally, the dB's are just like the > Band -- beyond the first two albums, they turn awfully patchy. Stamey's > departure was a big loss. Indeed. The 1st 2 dB's albums are really great. Anything after is ok, but doesn't nearly have the energy of the 1st 2. Even Stamey's solo stuff doesn't have it. It must've been the collected effort of the 4 and the budget circumstance they were in. Stands for Decibals and Repercussion are highly creative albums. The little 'bells and whistles' in the production was lost on any further recordings. Even the Holsapple/Stamey 1990 release was pale in comparison, but not bad. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:19:31 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Cat the Terrorist At 01:09 PM 9/22/2004 -0400, Ken Weingold wrote: >What the fuck? Will my wonderful government how force me to burn my >Cat Stevens records? I burnt mine a long time ago, back when Natalie Merchant told me to. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Cat the Terrorist Ken Weingold wrote: > What the fuck? Will my wonderful government how force me > to burn my Cat Stevens records? > SMART-ASS REMARKS: 1) Richard Thompson better watch his ass. 2) Why couldn't they have done this in the mid-70s when it could have done some good. 3) Osama must be quaking in his sandals now. ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:10:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: 1000 Years of Popular Music Has anyone seen any RT's 1000 YOPM shows? Any thoughts -- he's bringing it to Bimbo's on October 7th (SF). ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:50:15 -0700 From: Vendren Subject: Re: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! > My all-time overrated pick is probably the Band. I like 'em backing Dylan, but as themselves... let's put it this way: If they sounded anywhere as great as Greil Marcus' descriptions of their music in MYSTERY TRAIN, I'd understand the hosannas, but the actual records haven't done anything for me in nearly a quarter-century of trying. > > Miles I love the Band, especially the first three discs. I love the rustic, ramshackle, nostalgiac feel of those discs. I love the singing, especially Manuel's, whose voice can give me goosebumps . I love the keyboard playing. I love the harmonies that are always on the verge of collapse. I love Robertson's songwriting. I find the early Band albums just beautiful. I can't listen to any of Dylan's performances with the Band though. Mind you, I can't listen to Dylan most of the time anyway. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:39:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: gnat-responds dB's Maybe not, but I really liked that CD (Mavericks) a lot. It used to be available *everywhere* as a shrinkwrapped $3.99 cutout, back during that time when Rhino yanked all its "RNA"/new-artist product out of print. That was an excellent deal. I'd take Mavericks over any post-Stands for/Repercussion dB's album, myself. Eb - -----Original Message----- Even the Holsapple/Stamey 1990 release was pale in comparison, but not bad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:55:47 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: dB's dBut Nuppy: > Indeed. The 1st 2 dB's albums are really great. Anything after is ok, > but doesn't nearly have the energy of the 1st 2. Even Stamey's solo > stuff doesn't have it. It must've been the collected effort of the 4 and > the budget circumstance they were in. Stands for Decibals and > Repercussion are highly creative albums. The little 'bells and whistles' > in the production was lost on any further recordings. Yeah, that's true... lo-fi in one sense, but inventive in terms of production nonetheless. Same thing holds true for the Feelies, although it's really only their first one which possesses that unique-sounding WTF spook... I think you could make an arguement that there's a whole unheralded subgroup of debut LP's from that era which, while put together by hard-touring bands, come out sort of weird and experimental, to their credit... Murmur fits in there nicely (to point things back towards Mitch Easter)... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #267 ********************************