From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #266 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 21 2004 Volume 13 : Number 266 Today's Subjects: ----------------- gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax ["Natalie Jacobs" ] reap [James Dignan ] rex-responds-to-gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax ["Rex Broome" ] a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! [James Dignan ] Re: a question and a comment ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ISB on WFMU ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Message from Robert Vickers on the Go-Betweens message board! ["Bac] Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! ["Rex Broome" ] Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! [fingerpuppets ] Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax ["Nora B." ] RE: Wee update.... ["Bachman, Michael" ] NOT TO BE MISSED ["The Mammal Brain" ] RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax [Eb ] Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax [Vendren ] RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! ["Nora B." ] Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax ["Rex Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:10:53 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax >Gahhhhhhh! The heresy!!! The iconoclasm!!!! Oh, Nat. Nat, Nat, Nat, >Nat, Nat... Correction: I listened to Don't Tell a Soul twice, and now have no urge to listen to it again. Do you feel better now? However, I downloaded a track from Pleased to Meet Me and am now planning on buying the album. I still can't understand my friend's logic in not sending it to me - so the way to pique someone's interest in a band is *not* to send them their best album? This makes no sense to me. I also downloaded "God Damn Job" and found it to be the most poignant evocation of modern life since Uncle Tupelo's "I Got Drunk." (I am only partly joking, unfortunately... I got fired from my crappy temp job last month, and I'm feeling the pain.) >>The punky energy of the other two albums is enjoyable, but there are >>plenty >>of other bands from that period which share that energy and are much more >>interesting musically. > >Please list them! I wasn't thinking of bands that ripped off the Mats specifically, I was thinking of a general vibe from the early and mid-80's. Just like a lot of bands from the late 70's share a sort of herky-jerky, "wired" vibe, a lot of underground 80's bands have a similar energetic feel to them... ahh, I'm probably just talking out of my ass again.... never mind... >Anyway, yeah, Being There is a messy sprawl, but so are all the Wilco >records since then, with the exception of (the underrated) Summerteeth, >wouldn't you say? I don't think Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a messy sprawl at all. Besides which, it's not messy sprawls that bother me so much as a lack of good songs. (I exaggerated about Being There only having five good songs - I actually like most of the first disc and a couple of songs off the second disc.... but it still should've been a single album, or maybe even an EP.) >BTW, Nat, I now possess an Official Wilco Tour Guitar Pick, so will you >marry me now? (If not you can have first crack at my bassist, who is >single and who gave it to me.) Cool... does he look like John Stirratt? What does an Official Wilco Tour Guitar Pick look like, anyway? Oh, and in non-music/gnat-gnews, my second doula client delivered a 9 pound, 3 oz baby girl last Wednesday, in a matter of seconds. (Well, she was in labor for a few hours before that, but the baby seriously popped out so fast that it was like watching a magic trick.) The mom was fine, but I think the baby was a little stunned. And yes, I am the only person in Portland with Wilco, Sonic Youth, WCBN FM Ann Arbor, and "Trust in Birth, Trust in Midwives" bumper stickers. n. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:52:41 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: reap Brian Clough, 69 James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:57:37 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: rex-responds-to-gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [69.3.112.7] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for rexbroome90042@lycos.com; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:55:51 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" To: "Natalie Jacobs" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:55:51 -0800 Subject: rex-responds-to-gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax X-Originating-Ip: 69.3.112.7 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Nat: > However, I downloaded a track from Pleased to Meet Me and am now planning on > buying the album. I still can't understand my friend's logic in not > sending it to me - so the way to pique someone's interest in a band is *not* > to send them their best album? This makes no sense to me. And yet... it worked... inasmuch as it's getting you to spend money on one of the very few Replacements records you don't already own. Interesting. > I also > downloaded "God Damn Job" and found it to be the most poignant evocation of > modern life since Uncle Tupelo's "I Got Drunk." (I am only partly joking, > unfortunately... I got fired from my crappy temp job last month, and I'm > feeling the pain.) Cue Superchunk, "Slack Motherfucker"... > I don't think Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a messy sprawl at all. Besides which, > it's not messy sprawls that bother me so much as a lack of good songs. Okay, now you're talking sense. We have of course covered YHF to death, so everybody else just paste the appropriate feg archive bits here... keywords: rex, nat, miles, o'rourke, mccaughey, pet, sounds, SY, eb, piano, jane, timeline, chick, they're, not, alt-country, any, and more. > If not you can have first crack at my bassist, who is > >single and who gave it to me.) > > Cool... does he look like John Stirratt? Ummm... (googling noises)... no. Longer hair, blonde, and bearded. Does like Neil Young, though. > What does an Official Wilco Tour > Guitar Pick look like, anyway? It's... ummm, it's red, pick-shaped, and it says "Wilco" on it. And I probably won't use it because it's not nylon. The only guitar pick I ever snarked from a show and actually used was, ironically, Paul Westerberg's, and it was great, but I lost it at a gig, I think. (Key words: replacements, paris, cute, girl, from, and minneapolis.) > Oh, and in non-music/gnat-gnews, my second doula client delivered a 9 pound, > 3 oz baby girl last Wednesday, in a matter of seconds Cool. Doulas are awesome. Keep up the good work. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:26:18 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Wee update.... On Mon, Sep 20, 2004, The Great Quail wrote: > Currently playing? "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic." Waiting > anxiously for "San Andreas." Can I come over to watch you scream at the TV? Sorry about the job. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:21:28 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! I've been stuck at home with a chest infection for the last day or so, and have been listening to various bits of music, and I was struck (not for the first time) by the similarity between some of Robyn Hitchcock's guitar work (especially things like "Glass Hotel") and that of seminal Brit folkie - mentioned here recently in the "junkie songs" thread - Bert Jansch. I suspect it is also Jansch's, erm, distinct vocal delivery that Robyn was doing a tongue-in-cheek version of on the live outtake "Cherry-red daughter" (which is, IIRC, on one of the "Unhatched Crablings" tapes). Does anyone know whether Robyn has ever mentioned whether he's a fan of Jansch's music? James (coughing up lovely greenish-yellow phlegm) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:25:13 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Wee update.... [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:31 , The Great Quail sent: >Recently been listening to a lot of: Rush, Bjork, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, >David Allen Coe, Wilco. jeez, yer a freak. it's 'allan', by the way. you got any of his old stuff? man. that's nearly all I can say about him. ok so, what's your favorite DAC song? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:26:51 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: a question and a comment Natalie Jane wrote: > > You guys know my tastes pretty well at this point - can you suggest some > Canadian bands I might actually like? For starters: - - The Constantines (loud geetarry stuff) - - By Divine Right (maybe too much funk for you, but they rock, on the whole) - - Mayor McCa (so excellent in parts that you can forgive the occasional dud track) > (I just remembered that I'd probably > like the Sadies, so there's a start...) Yeah, they're like Wilco, only Good. cheers, Stewart - -- np: Spiders (Kidsmoke) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:36:15 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: ISB on WFMU forwarded from have_moicy, one of far too many Holy Modal Rounders discussion lists: > Personally I can't stand them (middle-class Edinburgh posers) but I > did notice this on the WFMU site (www.wfmu.org) > > "Don't miss The Incredible String Band on World of Echo with Dave > Mandl, this Wednesday at 8 PM. The legendary British progressive folk > outfit will be talking about their long and illustrious career, as > well as performing a few songs live in the studio." (the poster's a Glaswegian, btw, which explains the first paragraph) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:20:43 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! James Dignan wrote: > > Does anyone know whether Robyn has ever mentioned whether he's a fan of > Jansch's music? Yes, I believe he has. That's certainly what got me listening to the Bert. Oh, and YLT do cover Needle of Death live. I saw them perform it when they toured with Robyn & Sonic Boom. If anyone knows of a recording of it, I'd be internally grateful. Better out than in, Seamas, eh? cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:33:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Message from Robert Vickers on the Go-Betweens message board! If folks don't know, be advised that Vickers now WORKS for Jetset. So, it's no coincidence that the G-B's stuff was reissued there. Damn, didn't Beggars reissue those albums just a couple of years ago? Around and around the royalties go.... Eb - -----Original Message----- Below is a message from Robert Vickers, who was the G-B's bass player on Spring Hill Fair, Liberty Belle and Tallulah. Yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:22:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax I'd say it's their third best. - -----Original Message----- However, I downloaded a track from Pleased to Meet Me and am now planning on buying the album. I still can't understand my friend's logic in not sending it to me - so the way to pique someone's interest in a band is *not* to send them their best album? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:54:18 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Message from Robert Vickers on the Go-Betweens message board! Eb wrote: >If folks don't know, be advised that Vickers now WORKS for Jetset. So, >it's no coincidence that the G-B's stuff was reissued there. >Damn, didn't Beggars reissue those albums just a couple of years ago? >Around and around the royalties go.... I believe all six of the 1980's albums were reissued from Beggars in 1996. The first three got the double disc reissue from Circus/Jetset last year. For not selling that many albums in the 1980's, the G-B's do seem to get their core albums reissued more than most similar selling bands from the 1980's. Michael B. NP Willie Nelson - Milk Cow Blues - -----Original Message----- Below is a message from Robert Vickers, who was the G-B's bass player on Spring Hill Fair, Liberty Belle and Tallulah. Yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:47:15 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! James: > Does anyone know whether Robyn has ever mentioned whether he's a fan > of Jansch's music? I'm pretty sure he has cited Jansch as an influence... but I thought it was a a basic article of faith about Robyn's pantheon of influences, so maybe it's just something I assumed without ever reading. Oddly, I've just recently heard Jansch for the first time (that I know of) recently, in the course of a radio interview with Neil Young, who copped to having inadvertantly lifted the melody of "Ambulance Blues" from... "Needle of Death"! The two songs were then played back to back, and yeah, you can hear it. I'd forgotten until this very minute that the tune we were discussion was the very tune I'd heard, and the only one by Jansch I've ever heard, at that. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:24:13 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Wee update.... Me: >> Recently been listening to a lot of: Rush, Bjork, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, >> David Allen Coe, Wilco. GSS: > jeez, yer a freak. it's 'allan', by the way. Yeah, I'm a bit prejudiced on the "Allen" spelling for some reason. >you got any of his old stuff? > man. > that's nearly all I can say about him. ok so, what's your favorite DAC song? I've heard some of his old stuff. That is, if you mean his really old, rather -- ah, off-color stuff. But as far as his more mainstream works, I think "Willie, Waylon & Me" simply kicks ass. My recent "Decade-too-late Discovery" is early 90s rap, especially Public Enemy and Ice Cube. For some reason, I suddenly find myself liking hip hop. Go figure. I think I'm gravitating to PE and Ice Cube because it's rather angry music, and I feel so incredibly pissed off at the US Government right now. Even though its focus is different -- not to mention the fact I'm as white as they come -- it's the only music I have that really reflects this specific kind of political anger.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:10:51 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: a genuine Robyn Hitchcock question! one time at band camp, Rex Broome (rexbroome90042@lycos.com) said: >I'm pretty sure he has cited Jansch as an influence... 1967 I acquire my first guitar. Play along to Bert Jansch LP. Brian Wilson breaks up. Brian Eno organizes a concrete music event in a basement at my school. He is wearing blue sunglasses. however, i can't find this in any of the other bio/chronologies out there. was this from the one which was posted on warner brothers? anyone save a copy of that? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:19:46 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 Eb wrote: > I'd say [Pleased to Meet Me]'s their third best. In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:24 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Wee update.... Quail wrote: >My recent "Decade-too-late Discovery" is early 90s rap, especially Public >Enemy and Ice Cube. For some reason, I suddenly find myself liking hip hop. >Go figure. I think I'm gravitating to PE and Ice Cube because it's rather >angry music, and I feel so incredibly pissed off at the US Government right >now. Even though its focus is different -- not to mention the fact I'm as >white as they come -- it's the only music I have that really reflects this >specific kind of political anger.... I think this stuff comes every 10 years or so. We had the late 60's anti-war and start a revolution of Jefferson Airplane, MC-5, Country Joe and the Fish, etc. The late 70's in England you had The Clash, Gang of Four, Au Pairs, etc., who wrote anti-government and anti-capitalism songs. Then in the late 80's and early 90's we had rap. Michael B. NP John Cale - Fragments Of A Rainy Season (What a great CD!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Nora B. wrote: > In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album > let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... > Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! Strange to see all these slings and arrows flying; for me the Replacements are solidly in the (small) middling category of bands where I've gotten one album, liked it, but not felt convinced I needed to explore the rest of their catalog. I bet eventually I'll get around to it, though. That album was Pleased To Meet Me, if anyone's keeping track. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:57:20 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: NOT TO BE MISSED smoosh are scheduled to appear on KEXP in about two hours' time (3:00 PDT). don't know how well-known they are outside seattle, so, in case you've not heard them: they're two sisters, ages 12 and 10 (or something like that), and they fucking RULE. in fact, listening to smoosh reassures me that rock and/or roll did *not* (as i had assumed upon his, uh, passing) die with wesley willis. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:28:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax Didn't you previously claim the Smiths were the most overrated band ever? Eb (1. The Grateful Dead 2. Bauhaus 3. Jane's Addiction) - -----Original Message----- On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 Eb wrote: > I'd say [Pleased to Meet Me]'s their third best. In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:41:15 -0700 From: Vendren Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax > > In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album > > let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... > > Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! > > Strange to see all these slings and arrows flying; for me the Replacements > are solidly in the (small) middling category of bands where I've gotten > one album, liked it, but not felt convinced I needed to explore the rest > of their catalog. I bet eventually I'll get around to it, though. > > a I always thought the Replacements were a good, hard-working rock band that I was happy to see live - usually with a whole lot of beer in my belly. I had three of their albums on vinyl, way back when, though I didn't end up playing them all that much. It's never occurred to me to replace those discs on CD. I always thought they were under-rated, in that they were better than most stuff on the radio, but over-rated, in that I could find many other under-rated bands of the same ilk, that I liked a whole lot more. I was much more into the DBs, Lets Active and Husker Du when it came to college rock. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:43:46 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Nora B. wrote: >> In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album >> let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... >> Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! Aaron came back with: >Strange to see all these slings and arrows flying; for me the Replacements >are solidly in the (small) middling category of bands where I've gotten >one album, liked it, but not felt convinced I needed to explore the rest >of their catalog. I bet eventually I'll get around to it, though. >That album was Pleased To Meet Me, if anyone's keeping track. I bought Let It Be after the high rating in The Village Voice's 1984 Pazz and Jop poll. I must say it hooked me and I bought all the subsequent Replacements releases and also the previous Hootenanny from 1983. Let It Be, Tim and Please To Meet Me are all essential 1980's rock for me. I would not rate them as high as R.E.M. during the same period (1983-1987) though. Did anyone else buy a lot of albums based on the Pazz and Jop polls in the VV? It was my bible for the early and mid 80's. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:48:31 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax At 12:19 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, Nora B. wrote: >On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 Eb wrote: >> I'd say [Pleased to Meet Me]'s their third best. > >In my experience, there is no such thing as a good Replacements' album >let alone a "best" Replacements' album. Most... Over... Rated... >Band... Ever... Yet, many people I respect love them. Go figure! Wow, and to think people see *me* as negative on the Replacements! Really, my take on the Replacements is sort of analogous to what proponents of sabermetric baseball analysis face with players like Ichiro! and Jeter: everyone thinks they're hot sh*t, so you spend all your time trying to explain why you don't think they're *that* hot. However, they're both unique and valuable ballplayers that almost any team would want -- they're just not as valuable as Joe Baseball Fan thinks they are (except perhaps in the Far East marketing $$$ that Ichiro! pulls in for the Mariners). But because you're busy counteracting everyone else's worshipful praise ("But Tommy Stinson dove into the audience for that foul ball! And Tim McCarver says he's dreamy!"), the fact that you actually do rate them highly gets lost along the way. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:59:12 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:28:09 -0700, "Eb" said: > Didn't you previously claim the Smiths were the most overrated band > ever? > > Eb (1. The Grateful Dead 2. Bauhaus 3. Jane's Addiction) About this whole "overrated" thing: what does that mean, exactly? Are people merely establishing their degrees of difference from critical and/or commercial norms? Or are they arguing that more people say they like the band than really do, for whatever reason? It seems that if it's the first one, it'd be easier and more accurate to say "I've never understood why everyone likes Band X," and for the second one, "How many people *really* like James Trendsetter & the Pretentions...I mean, how often do you actually *listen to* _Songs to Annoy Nearby Wildlife_?" Calling an act "most overrated" places your critical opinion out there in the atmosphere, above everyone else's, as if they're wrong and you're right. And that's only appropriate if you're me, because I'm right and you're not. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:15:13 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax Eb: > Didn't you previously claim the Smiths were the most overrated band > ever? I dont think so. I may have called The Smiths the most underrated band ever though. Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:25:49 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! Fortissimo: > About this whole "overrated" thing: what does that mean, exactly? Are > people merely establishing their degrees of difference from critical > and/or commercial norms? Or are they arguing that more people say they > like the band than really do, for whatever reason? The first one all the way. Everyone thinks its great but in my subjective reality those people are full of it. They overrate it and conversly they underrate what i love. > It seems that if it's the first one, it'd be easier and more accurate to > say "I've never understood why everyone likes Band X," It would be more accurate to say that but its more fun to act like like your opinions are more important. Plus it is vicious slam that can be made without having any knowledge or providing any reasons. Its just a step up from just saying something sucks with the added bonus of an implied slam of others for liking it. > Calling an act "most overrated" places your critical opinion out there > in the atmosphere, above everyone else's, as if they're wrong and you're > right. And that's only appropriate if you're me, because I'm right and > you're not. No, no, no. I'm right and you're wrong unless you agree with me. Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:06:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: most...overrated...catchphrase...ever! At 03:59 PM 9/21/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >About this whole "overrated" thing: what does that mean, exactly? Are >people merely establishing their degrees of difference from critical >and/or commercial norms? Or are they arguing that more people say they >like the band than really do, for whatever reason? > >It seems that if it's the first one, it'd be easier and more accurate to >say "I've never understood why everyone likes Band X," It's almost always the first one, which most readers understand perfectly well. I've been known to say your suggested substitute phrase too, but if I'm sufficient level of "wtf?" when listening to something, the more careful phrase just doesn't have the "oomph" of "overrated," and where's the accuracy in that? My all-time overrated pick is probably the Band. I like 'em backing Dylan, but as themselves... let's put it this way: If they sounded anywhere as great as Greil Marcus' descriptions of their music in MYSTERY TRAIN, I'd understand the hosannas, but the actual records haven't done anything for me in nearly a quarter-century of trying. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: NOT TO BE MISSED On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, The Mammal Brain wrote: > smoosh are scheduled to appear on KEXP in about two hours' time (3:00 > PDT). > don't know how well-known they are outside seattle, so, in case you've > not heard them: they're two sisters, ages 12 and 10 (or something like > that), and they fucking RULE. Smoosh is the name of the fake Oasis-like brit-rock band from Mr. Show. I'm totally weirded out by the existence of a real band using that name. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:39:13 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: gnat-responds-to-rex-maniax Palle: > I always thought [The Replacements] > were under-rated, in that they were better than > most stuff on the radio, but over-rated, in that I could find many other > under-rated bands of the same ilk, that I liked a whole lot more. I was much > more into the DBs, Lets Active and Husker Du when it came to college rock. Hmmm. I love all three of those bands, but they hit very different spots for me than the Replacements did. Oddball pop classicism in the case of the first two, and melodic grrrr-rowr in the last one. The 'Mats were more "real rock'n'roll that happens not to suck and thus should be celebrated because that's damned rare". - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #266 ********************************