From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #263 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 18 2004 Volume 13 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Spooked vinyl ["Marc Holden" ] spooked straight ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: spooked straight [Tom Clark ] Nat's 'Mats ["Rex Broome" ] RE: Nat's 'Mats ["Natalie Jacobs" ] I like to verb words [James Dignan ] Re: spooked straight [Ken Weingold ] RE: America Nods: A Celebration of 73 Years of Heroin in Song! ["Bachman,] Re: I like to verb words ["Fortissimo" ] Re: THIS is how to sell on eBay ["Fortissimo" ] Head-O(n)-Mat [Miles Goosens ] RE: THIS is how to sell on eBay [Eb ] RE: spooked straight [Eb ] upcoming horrendous din [Eb ] Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: spooked straight [Tom Clark ] Re: spooked straight ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Head-O(n)-Mat [Vendren ] Re: Head-O(n)-Mat ["Fortissimo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:15:07 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Spooked vinyl I saw someone had posted wondering when the vinyl version of Spooked will go on sale. I had been waiting, too. I just figured out that it is on sale already and probably has been since the CD pre-order notice went up. There is no link for it anywhere. You have to go to the store page on the Yep Roc site, then click the vinyl link. Hope that helps somebody, Marc http://www.yeproc.com/store.php?page=vinyl I don't pretend to have all the answers. I don't pretend to even know what the questions are. Hey, where am I? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:49:43 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: spooked straight >Dunno... Haven't really *listened* to it yet. I like the one w/ drums. The ONE with drums?? Oh dear... >Subject: my SPOOKED review > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. :( :( If Colin Meloy and Robyn really are friends now, maybe Colin can re-educate Robyn on how to make a decent record. Speaking of Colin, a friend of mine just saw fit to repair another massive gap in my musical knowledge - he sent me three Replacements albums, Let It Be (which Colin has written a book about, hence the segue), Tim, and Don't Tell a Soul. My friend included strict orders to listen to the albums in chronological order, so I've only listened to Let It Be so far... what's weird is, though I'd never heard it before, it made me feel really nostalgic... it doesn't sound dated exactly, but it has a really strong 80's underground-rock vibe to it. But that's a good thing. anyway, n. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:02:44 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: spooked straight On Sep 17, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > Speaking of Colin, a friend of mine just saw fit to repair another > massive gap in my musical knowledge - he sent me three Replacements > albums, Let It Be (which Colin has written a book about, hence the > segue), Tim, and Don't Tell a Soul. My friend included strict orders > to listen to the albums in chronological order, so I've only listened > to Let It Be so far... what's weird is, though I'd never heard it > before, it made me feel really nostalgic... it doesn't sound dated > exactly, but it has a really strong 80's underground-rock vibe to it. > But that's a good thing. Oh my, I had no idea you didn't own these records. And I thought I knew you... Anyway - throw out Don't Tell A Soul and replace it with Pleased To Meet Me. Then you'll be happy. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:38:09 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Nat's 'Mats Nat: > Speaking of Colin, a friend of mine just saw fit to repair another massive > gap in my musical knowledge - he sent me three Replacements albums, Let It > Be (which Colin has written a book about, hence the segue), Tim, and Don't > Tell a Soul. My friend included strict orders to listen to the albums in > chronological order, so I've only listened to Let It Be so far... Hmmm... what kind of friend leaves "Pleased to Meet Me" out of that sequence? Be prepared to go "What the hell happened?!?!?!" when you put DTAS on. Which is a legitimate question, but one which would be slightly less puzzling if you hear "Pleased to Meet Me" in its proper slot. My three pack would've probably started at "Hootenanny" and ended at PTMM... oh, wait that's four. Anyway, not that there aren't worthy tunes on the other albums, but PTMM is definitely the end of the golden age (which, come to look at it, was pretty damned brief). But anyways... enjoy! - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:05:43 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: RE: Nat's 'Mats >Hmmm... what kind of friend leaves "Pleased to Meet Me" out of that >sequence? He left it out deliberately because it's his favorite and he wanted me to actually go and buy it. (I'm a little hazy on the logic there, but what the hell...) n. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:11:00 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: I like to verb words >Miles > > God, I wish the "grow the..." nomenclature that came into vogue >with Bill Clinton's "grow the economy" would pass. > >My linguistic drif bete noire remains the replacement of >"disconnection" with "disconnect": "There seems to be a growing >disconnect between word and the suffixes that make them actually >mean something." ah, a "pet linguistic-drif hate" thread! Mine is similar to "disconnect". I'm old enough to remember when a swimming team went to swimming meetings. None of this "swim team" and "swim meet" stuff. And if the meeting was to find a champion, the contests themselves weren't called "swim champs". As for annoying neologisms, I still think "upskilling" is a town in Sweden. >Perhaps the "-tion" suffix is headed to the grave of the "-ly." I >can't watch TV for ten minutes without screaming at some talking >head "would it kill you to use an adverb?" The difference between fast and quick seems to have been lost - not to mention quickly, of course. One nitwit TV advertiser here recently said "Hurry in soon because we sell everything fast". I was tempted to go there and ask for a Ferrari, and then pull them up for false advertising. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:36:52 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: spooked straight On Fri, Sep 17, 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > On Sep 17, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > > >Speaking of Colin, a friend of mine just saw fit to repair another > >massive gap in my musical knowledge - he sent me three Replacements > >albums, Let It Be (which Colin has written a book about, hence the > >segue), Tim, and Don't Tell a Soul. My friend included strict orders > >to listen to the albums in chronological order, so I've only listened > >to Let It Be so far... what's weird is, though I'd never heard it > >before, it made me feel really nostalgic... it doesn't sound dated > >exactly, but it has a really strong 80's underground-rock vibe to it. > >But that's a good thing. > > Oh my, I had no idea you didn't own these records. And I thought I > knew you... > > Anyway - throw out Don't Tell A Soul and replace it with Pleased To > Meet Me. Then you'll be happy. I know it's a later one, but I really like All Shook Down as well. But yeah, Pleased To Meet Me is a classic I think. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:14:02 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: America Nods: A Celebration of 73 Years of Heroin in Song! These are people who died, who died... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:37:37 -0800, "Rex Broome" said: > Michael B: >> > Speaking of they're all gone now, a lot of the punk bands have members that >> > have passed. > >> Linguistic Drift Dept.: When did "passed" become such a prominent >> euphemism for "died"? Jeff came back with: >I hadn't noticed this until you pointed it out, but yeah, I think you're >right. >What I don't understand is using a euphemism for "died" when you're not >talking directly to anyone who knew the person who died. It's not as if >anyone's feelings need to be spared. Although I suppose I could be >wrong, and Michael was best buds with lots of original punk rockers ;) Age wise, I could have been! However, I don't know any of them. If I went to the same school in England as Robyn, we would have been acquainted as we are the same age, with me a month and a half older. I grew up a hour away from where members of The Stooges and MC-5 went to high school, but they were all 4-5 years older than me. I missed the era of the Grande Ballroom in Detroit (MC-5's Kick Out The Jams was recorded at The Grande), but my older sister saw Jimi Hendrix, The Stooges, The MC-5, The Doors, and Led Zeppelin on their first US tour in 1969. She chickened out and didn't go to Woodstock though, even with our parents away in California and having the perfect opportunity to do so! Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:04:00 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: I like to verb words On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:11:00 +1200, "James Dignan" said: > >Miles > > > God, I wish the "grow the..." nomenclature that came into vogue > >with Bill Clinton's "grow the economy" would pass. > > > >My linguistic drif bete noire remains the replacement of > >"disconnection" with "disconnect": > Mine is similar to "disconnect". I'm old enough to remember when a > swimming team went to swimming meetings. None of this "swim team" and > "swim meet" stuff. And if the meeting was to find a champion, the > contests themselves weren't called "swim champs". Also: a "troop" is a collection of soldiers. "Troops," colloquially, are soldiers. There is no such fucking thing as a single soldier being called a "troop." Grr. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:09:33 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: THIS is how to sell on eBay On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:29:11 -0700, "Tom Clark" said: > All of a sudden I need to buy a stapler... > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=bishop287911&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 MIght as well bid directly on this one then: - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:06:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Head-O(n)-Mat TC: >Anyway - throw out Don't Tell A Soul and replace it with Pleased To >Meet Me. Then you'll be happy. Amen! You can also risk HOOTENANNY when you're done; I won't vouch for all of it, but then again, that's true for all of them except for PLEASED TO MEET ME. Just back from David Byrne w/Sam Phillips - spectacular show on both counts. It may be "Miles defends the lesser half of an artist's catalog" week, but David Byrne has never made an album I didn't like. But regardless of how people feel about his post-Heads recorded work, he seems to get no press at all for his kick-butt live shows. Two of the friends in our group tonight had never seen Byrne live before, and they came away saying that it was not only a great show, but one of *the* best shows they'd ever seen. And this couple has seen a lot of shows. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:52:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: THIS is how to sell on eBay Oppressive udders are BACK!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tom Clark Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:29 PM To: Chapmaniax funk Subject: THIS is how to sell on eBay All of a sudden I need to buy a stapler... http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=bishop287911&include=0&since= - -1&sort=3&rows=50 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:57:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: spooked straight You're so ga-ga for Wilco, yet haven't heard the prime Replacements stuff? You weerd. Eb - -----Original Message----- Speaking of Colin, a friend of mine just saw fit to repair another massive gap in my musical knowledge - he sent me three Replacements albums, Let It Be (which Colin has written a book about, hence the segue), Tim, and Don't Tell a Soul. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:58:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: upcoming horrendous din Glenn Branca is looking for guitarists to participate in the recording of his new symphony for 100 guitars. There's no money involved, but if you are free and in new york city on October 9th and 10th and want to be a part of this, please email infos@carparkrecords.com. We'll pass your info along. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. "Nora B." wrote: > Joey, Dee Dee, and Johnny all the Ramones that mattered > are gone. :-( Hey, Tommy did a fine job with much of the production. And Rickie wrote "Somebody Put Something in My Drink." And it was CJ's idea to cover "I Don't Want to Grow Up." And Markie did something. And Elvis...well, he was in Blondie. ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. Rex Broome wrote: > Nora: > > Joey, Dee Dee, and Johnny all the Ramones that mattered > > are gone. :-( > > If I'm right in believing that Marky Ramone and > ex-Voidoid Marc Bell are the same person, I'd say Bell > matters. Not necessarily as a Ramone, but... Yes he is, which I forgot in my other post. ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Warning: this is 100% political Christopher Gross wrote: > What consitutes a "dirty trick"? In my humble opinion, > mounting a legal challenge against petitions to put Nader > on the ballot would ONLY be a dirty trick if there were > no valid legal grounds for the challenge. Nader's complaints would be more understandable if he wasn't taking so many contributions from such obviously GOP sources and wasn't so willing to be a walking GOP "dirty trick." ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:33:45 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: spooked straight On Sep 17, 2004, at 5:36 PM, Ken Weingold wrote: >> >> Anyway - throw out Don't Tell A Soul and replace it with Pleased To >> Meet Me. Then you'll be happy. > > I know it's a later one, but I really like All Shook Down as well. > But yeah, Pleased To Meet Me is a classic I think. > All Shook Down is basically the first Paul Westerberg solo album, none of which really impressed me. I'm way biased on this particular subject, but you really need to listen to everything up to and including Pleased To Meet Me in order to get the whole picture. Then put on Don't Tell A Soul to see what happens to an indie band after a major label gets hold of them. The real early shit is classic. Every Green Day fan needs to put on "Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The Trash" to see how it's really done. That's enough from me. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:52:59 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: spooked straight On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:33:45 -0700, "Tom Clark" said: > All Shook Down is basically the first Paul Westerberg solo album, none > of which really impressed me. I'm way biased on this particular > subject, but you really need to listen to everything up to and > including Pleased To Meet Me in order to get the whole picture. Then > put on Don't Tell A Soul to see what happens to an indie band after a > major label gets hold of them. Ri-ii-ight...because it was their *third* major-label release (after _Tim_, which for some reason no one's mentioned, and PTMM). I think DTAS is nowhere near as dire as most people think - but whatever its flaws, I think they're probably more attributable to interband tension, or to Westerberg's running out of ideas (see his solo career, none of which has persuaded me), than to major-label interference. NB: PTMM has the song with a horn arrangement - to me, cheesy horn arrangements are way more egregious sell-out points than strings, if we were looking for sellout material, which usually is kind of a lame point to make - if only because, how many so-called "sellouts" actually get bought into? Plus, indie fans' ideas of what is actually commercial are usually so far off-base it's not even funny. Oh: I'm a little late on this, but - I got a notice that _Spooked_ is being shipped! And: My copy of _Spooked_ arrived! And: I haven't listened to but the 2-song CD-R yet, but those two songs are pretty fine, and quite pretty, and feature some very nice guitar interplay. No, it doesn't "rock" - and it's neither the Soft Boys nor the sort of depressive quiet freakout of the other two "green" acoustic albums...but at least based on those two non-album tracks, I don't think it'll be quite the failure some here have said it is. In fact, I may end up liking it more than _Luxor_. We'll see - it's the next thing on my playlist. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:57:42 -0700 From: Vendren Subject: Re: Head-O(n)-Mat From: "Miles Goosens" > Just back from David Byrne w/Sam Phillips - spectacular show on both counts. It may be "Miles defends the lesser half of an artist's catalog" week, but David Byrne has never made an album I didn't like. But regardless of how people feel about his post-Heads recorded work, he seems to get no press at all for his kick-butt live shows. Two of the friends in our group tonight had never seen Byrne live before, and they came away saying that it was not only a great show, but one of *the* best shows they'd ever seen. And this couple has seen a lot of shows. I've enjoyed all of Byrne's solo work, though I probably still hold the Talking Heads catalogue in higher regard. I saw Byrne a few years ago at the Vancouver Jazz Festival. He had an all-Brazilian band with full horn section and a half-dozen drummers, and it was a spectacular show. Byrne's energy and charisma on stage are quite something to witness. In terms of touring veterans, Tom Waits is coming to my home town. The tickets are really expensive but I may go anyway. The last time I saw Waits was the Big Time tour, complete with megaphone and junkyard instruments a-plenty. Anyone seen him of late? I'm wondering how his voice is holding up, and if he's been mellowing his shows of late. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:48:06 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Head-O(n)-Mat On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:57:42 -0700, "Vendren" said: > I've enjoyed all of Byrne's solo work, though I probably still hold the > Talking Heads catalogue in higher regard. I saw Byrne a few years ago at > the > Vancouver Jazz Festival. He had an all-Brazilian band with full horn > section > and a half-dozen drummers, and it was a spectacular show. Byrne's energy > and > charisma on stage are quite something to witness. Just recently I listened to Talking Heads' last album, _Naked_, and the issue (on CD, finally!) of _The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads_. The latter one made me recall, once again, how much I enjoy the band's early work, in particular the simplicity and directness of the arrangements, and their creativity, which allow you to hear exactly what's going on. _Naked_ is really a pretty fine record, better than I remember - and while that's true, and while the rather thicker arrangements work pretty well, they also obscure the "bandness" of the work, and they sort of highlight one of the problems I have with Byrne's solo work. One thing I think is cool about early TH is that Byrne seems to have had no idea of being cool, and his gawky awkwardness and intensity was actually quite charming. Similarly, although the band was in fact quite funky for four suburban white people, they seemed to take that as something that just came along with doing what they loved, rather than as a thesis to be established and proven. The attempt to bring that quality forward on records like _Remain in Light_ and the second half of TNOTBITH worked pretty well - mostly because there was still both an intelligence and an almost menacing strangeness to the material. And I really should reassess Byrne's solo work...but what often proves irritating is the sense that Byrne began to think he was cool, that he was an avatar of cool, and that in that capacity he'd bring all this cool music he'd "found" to the rest of the world, and he lost the sense of himself as that gawky RISD grad and seemed, often, not to get the irony of his leading around a bunch of Brazilian musicians, etc. Too often (in contrast to RIL) the non-rock stuff seems poorly integrated with the material - or more aptly, the material seems xeroxed from elsewhere, with Byrne's vocals pasted over the top. (Plus, for some reason, his singing got more irritating to me the better it was, in conventional terms. I don't know if he took singing lessons, but his vocal production certainly was more straightforward and his tone purer...but that actually worked *against* him for me. Don't know why...might be his own dictum that the better a singer's voice, the harder it is to believe what he's singing (at least from a rock fan's perspective, that is) But anyway: everyone should pick up TNOTBITH. On the first disc, the previously unreleased material isn't quite as good as the other stuff, particularly in terms of recording quality - but the new stuff on the second disc is great stuff, the song selection reproducing the complete set of that band, in order. And it kicks some pretty serious ass. Also, rehearing this stuff reminds me of a curiosity I'd had back when it came out: am I hearing things, or are there three guitar parts (plus a bass and drums) in the solo in "Love-->Building on Fire"? The band is listed as being only the 4-piece - it doesn't sound like an overdub, but I'm almost imagining (there's a credit for Eno there) Eno sitting behind the soundboard and strapping on a guitar to play a third part or something. Probably I'm just hearing some artful effects manipulation...what do you think? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #263 ********************************