From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #262 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 17 2004 Volume 13 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- passed the young buck [Miles Goosens ] Spooked is Creepy Good! [Christopher Hintz ] What's he building in there? ["Rex Broome" ] RE: What's he building in there? ["Maximilian Lang" ] George Bailey, hobgoblin [Miles Goosens ] RE: What's he building in there? ["Rex Broome" ] Re: George Bailey, hobgoblin ["Fortissimo" ] Re: passed the young buck ["Rex Broome" ] Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. ["Rex Broome" ] Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. ["Nora B." ] Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. ["Rex Broome" ] Re: Spooked at home ["Brian" ] RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds [HSatterfld@aol] Neil Young - does a benefit concert near me! [Barbara Soutar ] RE: George Bailey, hobgoblin [Eb ] Re: Spooked at home ["Brian" ] Vivien Leigh, trainwreck [Miles Goosens ] Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. [] my SPOOKED review [Miles Goosens ] Re: passed the young buck [Miles Goosens ] THIS is how to sell on eBay [Tom Clark ] Warning: this is 100% political [] Spooked vinyl ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Warning: this is 100% political [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:22:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: passed the young buck At 09:37 AM 9/16/2004 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: >Michael B: >> Speaking of they're all gone now, a lot of the punk bands have members that >> have passed. > >Linguistic Drift Dept.: When did "passed" become such a prominent euphemism >for "died"? Until a few years ago I don't thing I often heard this without >it being followed by "away". Somehow I feel as if it's sort of an African >American church thing which has slipped into the mainstream via the East >Coast/West Coast Gangsta Rap War. Maybe. Growing up in the '70s and '80s in southern WV, the African-American kids would say "passed" and elderly white folks would say "passed on" or "passed away." God, I wish the "grow the..." nomenclature that came into vogue with Bill Clinton's "grow the economy" would pass. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:30:43 -0400 From: Christopher Hintz Subject: Spooked is Creepy Good! Newsflash! Robyn returns to form! Also, in the new Punk Planet Colin Meloy claims they are now "friends." Will we all get to email our idols someday? That'd be a good prophecy: "And, lo, on that day the fans will have direct contact with their heroes, and the leeches shall dance with the jellyfish." The Epistle to Leppo 2:11 Christopher Hintz +++ If I were God, and the world treated me as it treated Him, I would kick the wretched thing to pieces. - --Martin Luther ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: What's he building in there? Max: > Never build a > guitar, it's really frustrating(and really expensive). Would it help your frustration to detail what you're trying to do? I am intrigued. And bored. My "other band" (the, erm, non-song-oriented experimental thingy, which nonetheless shares 3/4 of its membership with the "normal" beat combo)is actually a reconvening of a project from 6 or 7 years ago. In those days we used to have more of a revolving-door policy and a lot of guitarists would come and go as they pleased. We got this one guy in there who was an amazing player, big SY/MBV acolyte, and he had this, I dunno, half-Jazzmaster thing that he had essentially cobbled together from all kinds of sources. His big thing was that you really shouldn't play a guitar until you've taken it apart, fully understand how it functions, and hot-rodded it until it suits your specific needs. My thing was, ummm, if I take this thing apart, I'll be lucky to get it back together with the fretboard facing the front. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:05:19 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: What's he building in there? >From: "Rex Broome" >Subject: What's he building in there? >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0800 >Max: > > Never build a > > guitar, it's really frustrating(and really expensive). >Would it help your frustration to detail what you're trying to do? I am >intrigued. And bored. I am doing a Gibson style Tenon neck and the tenon is a little off, cocking the neck ever so slightly off the center. The neck at this point has no fret board on it and is not yet glued to the neck. The neck is unshaped except for the tenon and the angle for the headstock. I have a center mark running down the neck and another down the body. With the neck slid into the slot (fairly tight, maybe a tad too much 'slop' to the fit, that can be corrected)I sight down the line from where the headstock will lay and it is ever so slightly cocked so that from the point where the two center lines meet they form maybe a .25-.75 degree angle. It is not oh so critical, I mean I can adjust the 'center' mark on the body, it's just annoying because it is a bookended piece of curly bird's eye maple(which I get for free, I'm a woodworker). I may redo the neck;which is mahogany and quarter sawn, which is a problem we don't have any more of that variety or of maple which is really what I would like to use. I had originally planned to bolt it on. I figured for my first guitar a bolt on would be best in case of error; the coworker who is making one as well is doing a tenon, so I went that route. I figured I could use the support. He has had better results but then he went to art school and has a furniture making degree. I can't wait to make the next one...I am not kidding. It's frustrating but very exciting. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:10:07 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: KEXP & archiving >From: FSThomas >Subject: Re: KEXP & archiving >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:21:02 -0400 >SharingTheGroove? > >-ferris. Sharingthegoove? Sharingthegrroove is a great question, what the hell is up with that site? Max _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:47:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: George Bailey, hobgoblin At 09:48 PM 9/15/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >I read a review of this once - I'm thinking it might've been from West >Anthony, over on Loudfans - that reconceptualized the film, quite >cleverly, as incredibly cynical and bitter. Does anyone else (i.e., >other Loudfegs) remember that post - or better, have it on file? This is one of my favorite e-mails of all time. It's actually part of a series of film reviews by West, but here's the relevant section, which never fails to double me over with laughter. I mean, we're talking "Tales of Eb" quality and profanity (and quality of profanity) here: >IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946) Directed by Frank Capra > >And now for the part where everyone hates me. I do not like this movie. The >message at its core, as I see it, is "Settle For Less". Every time George >Bailey tries to escape from Bedford Falls, every time he tries to make a break >for greener pastures, every times he goes for the brass ring, he is undone by >his innate goodness and the stupidity and greed of every fucking idiot in >town. When the Bailey Brothers Building & Loan was on the verge of collapse, >what did all the kindhearted citizens of Bedford Falls do? They swarmed the >building like fanged maggots and demanded to withdraw all of their money. >After all that Bailey & Co. had done for those miserable mouth-breathing >ingrates. Why didn't George just say "Fine, fuck all you heartless quislings! >I'll just pack me bags and take off for a life of excitement and adventure and >really wild things, and leave you jizz-gargling scum to take it up the ass >from Old Man Potter! How dare you even show your faces to me, you evil >cunts?! You'd murder your own babies with a fucking fork to make yourselves a >little more comfortable!! I BUILT YOUR HOUSES, YOU COCKSUCKERS!!! AND THIS >IS HOW YOU REPAY ME!!??! My father may have thrown his life away to help out >a town full of aborted vampire fetuses, but I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna >take your shit for one second longer!!!" (You can see I'm a tad unforgiving >on this point.) When Clarence lights on the bright idea of robbing George of >his life to show what the world would be like had George never been born, it's >a stacked deck and anyone with half a brain could see it. Look - even when >all a man has is shit, you take that shit away from him and he'll fight like a >motherfucker to get it back, because that's HIS SHIT!!! > > > >Jesus Christ, I am foaming at the mouth. I'm moving on. You can start hating >me now. Momentarily back to Jeff: >ps: I've never seen _Gone with the Wind_ I'm not down on it like everybody else, and I think Vivien Leigh is great in it. Any current-day audience is going to wince at the Thomas Dixon-style Reconstruction street scene, and it's soapy, sure, but it plays well, looks great, and is well worth seeing IMO. However, I could be charitably inclined simply because my mom is named after Scarlett O'Hara. GWTW is still the #1 box office film if you adjust for inflation. I mean, it's just silly to say that TITANIC or THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST were more popular when people paid a nickel to see GWTW, and practically a sawbuck for two tickets to those latter-day films. STAR WARS has finally gotten the gap down to $150 million (adjusted), and I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas does a couple more theatrical passes at it (Now With Episode VII-IX Stars In Corners of Three Scenes!) to snag that all-time title. Complete list at http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm later, Miles, who is always amazed at how many people want to call his mom "Charlotte" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:29:14 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: RE: What's he building in there? Max: > I am doing a Gibson style Tenon neck and the tenon is a little off ...and then Max: > I am doing a Gibson style Tenon neck and the tenon is a little off Wow, it would probably be a lot easier if you weren't doing two of them at once! Actually, this sounds very cool (albeit quite beyond me)... love to see the results. I totally identify with the frustrating/addictive thing, though... for reasons too convoluted to explain, I find myself suddenly learning wax carving, and it's quickly become similarly compulsive/off-pissing. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:34:32 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: George Bailey, hobgoblin On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:47:41 -0500, "Miles Goosens" said: > At 09:48 PM 9/15/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: > >I read a review of this once - I'm thinking it might've been from West > >Anthony, over on Loudfans - that reconceptualized the film, quite > >cleverly, as incredibly cynical and bitter. Does anyone else (i.e., > >other Loudfegs) remember that post - or better, have it on file? > >IS HOW YOU REPAY ME!!??! My father may have thrown his life away to help out > >a town full of aborted vampire fetuses, but I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna > >take your shit for one second longer!!!" That line reminds me of this one, from a Matt Taibbi column on Kitty Kelley's new Bush book: "a surprisingly tender portrait of a small, loyal group of vicious undead fiends, persevering against all odds in a world of the callous, uncomprehending living" . I'd forgotten how funny that review was, and how sailor-tongued. Do you have an URL for the rest of it? > I'm not ... like everybody else There goes Miles, quoting Ray Davies again! - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:15:08 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: passed the young buck Miles > God, I wish the "grow the..." nomenclature that came into vogue with Bill Clinton's "grow the economy" would pass. My linguistic drif bete noire remains the replacement of "disconnection" with "disconnect": "There seems to be a growing disconnect between word and the suffixes that make them actually mean something." Rex "The Disconnect of the Ruling Class Rolls On!" Broome - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:05:32 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. Miles: > > I'm not ... like everybody else Jeffrey: > There goes Miles, quoting Ray Davies again! Erm... Dave Davies. There are more living Kinks than Ramones, too, now that I think about it, but it's been a near thing this year, hasn't it? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:08:03 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: passed the young buck Me: > My linguistic drif bete noire remains the replacement of >"disconnection" with "disconnect": "There seems to be a >growing disconnect between word and the suffixes that make them >actually mean something." Then again, when one wishes to make a point about sloppy language usage, and one can't be bothered to put the last letters on two words in one sentence, one should shut, most likely, the fuck up. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:26:04 -0700 From: "Nora B." Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. Rex Broome wrote: > Miles: > > > I'm not ... like everybody else > > Jeffrey: > > There goes Miles, quoting Ray Davies again! > > Erm... Dave Davies. If you are gonna be a know-it-all you ought to get your facts straight first. Yes, Dave sang the song but Ray wrote it. > There are more living Kinks than Ramones, too, now that I think about > it, but it's been a near thing this year, hasn't it? Are there even any dead Kinks? Other than Dave's recent stroke I think they are all in good health even the grizzled Jim Rodford. Joey, Dee Dee, and Johnny all the Ramones that mattered are gone. :-( Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:47:36 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: reap > > Speaking of they're all gone now, a lot of the punk bands have >members that > > have passed. > >Linguistic Drift Dept.: When did "passed" become such a prominent >euphemism for "died"? Until a few years ago I don't thing I often >heard this without it being followed by "away". down here in the boondocks it's the first time I've ever noticed hearing it without "away", "on", or "over". >What I don't understand is using a euphemism for "died" when you're not >talking directly to anyone who knew the person who died. It's not as if >anyone's feelings need to be spared. Although I suppose I could be >wrong, and Michael was best buds with lots of original punk rockers ;) another ridiculous habit I've not come across. (In fact, I'm pretty sure I will shortly be phoning someone and saying "hey, did you hear that Johnny Ramone's karcked it?") James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:53:56 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. Nora: > If you are gonna be a know-it-all you ought to get your facts straight > first. Yes, Dave sang the song but Ray wrote it. Whoops. I stand corrected. I thought that Dave only sang his own tunes... was that a "later" thing? Dave did write "Death of a Clown", right? I'm gonna pretend that I'm repeating bad information from the writing credits on one of the cover versions of the song. Until, you know, I check those credits and find out otherwise. > Are there even any dead Kinks? Other than Dave's recent stroke I > think they are all in good health even the grizzled Jim Rodford. I was alluding (or trying to allude) to Ray's mugging injury and Dave's poor health, but I guess it didn't fly. > Joey, Dee Dee, and Johnny all the Ramones that mattered are gone. :-( If I'm right in believing that Marky Ramone and ex-Voidoid Marc Bell are the same person, I'd say Bell matters. Not necessarily as a Ramone, but... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:27:14 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Spooked at home I got Spooked too. Man this is soooo mellow. - -Nuppy On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:23:44 -0400, "Maximilian Lang" said: > Spooked was in my mail today, so was my new HD-MD. I am going to wait > until > tomorrow to listen to the CD, Im in too bad a mood tonight. Never build > a > guitar, it's really frustrating(and really expensive). > > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:29:53 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds <> But people who haven't seen Gone With the Wind didn't get one of the jokes in the tramapoline episode of the Simpsons. It's worth seeing for that reason alone. I also liked it much better than Casablanca. Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:25:47 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Neil Young - does a benefit concert near me! news story It seems that Randy Bachman got Neil Young interested in participating in a benefit concert happening in Duncan, BC on Friday, Sept. 17. Randy Bachman lives on Saltspring Island, just off Vancouver Island, and there's a lumber mill nearby that is going to start polluting big time. News is that they are planning to burn disgusting stuff like rubber tires to fuel their factory. Anyway, it's only an hour's drive from me, but I can't afford it. But Neil vibes will be felt for miles anyway, I'm sure! (We lived on Saltspring Island for a year, it was 1980-81. In a cabin with no electricity or running water. A beautiful place, almost paradise, though a bit too foggy during the winter. Now many celebrities have discovered it and live there.) Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:17:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:26 PM, Nora B. wrote: > Joey, Dee Dee, and Johnny all the Ramones that mattered are gone. :-( > Tommy "Ramone" Erdelyi produced The Replacement's "Tim" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:10:22 +0100 From: "Linda Krawecke" Subject: Re: Robyn in London Just called Plum Promotions who run the Marquee Club. Tickets will go on sale over the weekend and can be found at their website: http://www.plumpromotions.co.uk/ Go the link for The Marquee. "Time for Change" is an organisation set up to promote more Americans living abroad to vote in the upcoming election. That's me! Jammy Weasel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Davies" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Robyn in London > Someone just told me about this, and I haven't seen mention: > > Robyn Hitchcock, Darren Heyman, Ed Harcourt, Imogen Heap at the > Marquee Club, Leicester Square, Friday 1st October 2004. > > It's headed "Time for Change", which probably means "Please don't > re-elect Mr Bush, for all our sakes." But I'm guessing - it could be > something else entirely. > > x Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:34:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: George Bailey, hobgoblin My now-departed aunt was a personal nurse for Leigh at one time. Woo. I gather that Leigh was a bit of a wreck... Eb - -----Original Message----- I'm not down on it like everybody else, and I think Vivien Leigh is great in it. Any current-day audience is going to wince at the Thomas Dixon-style Reconstruction street scene, and it's soapy, sure, but it plays well, looks great, and is well worth seeing IMO. However, I could be charitably inclined simply because my mom is named after Scarlett O'Hara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:43:02 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Spooked at home said: > Too mellow? Dunno... Haven't really *listened* to it yet. I like the one w/ drums. Stay tuned... - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:44:57 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Vivien Leigh, trainwreck At 04:34 PM 9/16/2004 -0700, Eb wrote: >My now-departed aunt was a personal nurse for Leigh at one time. Woo. I >gather that Leigh was a bit of a wreck... Oh, she was completely bonkers at times. But it would have been cool to have caught her during a random bout of nymphomania. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:50:22 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Unfortunately the Fall covered a different Kinks tune. [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >Nora: >Whoops. I stand corrected. I thought that Dave only sang his own tunes... was that a "later" thing? Dave did write "Death of a Clown", right? The credits for music and lyrics list both Ray and Dave but Ray is often listed first. Ray gets full credit for the words and music of Waterloo Sunset, David Watts, Sunny Afternoon, Wonderboy, Victoria, to list a few. I would assume he also write 'Dead End Street'. Who wrote 'Lincoln County' and could someone send me a copy? Does anyone have a copy of the 'File Series' on CD or did it ever come out on CD? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:23:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: George Bailey, hobgoblin At 06:34 PM 9/16/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >I'd forgotten how funny that review was, and how sailor-tongued. Do you >have an URL for the rest of it? http://www.smoe.org/lists/loud-fans/v02.n057 contains the original post in full, along with even more West reviews. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:31 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: my SPOOKED review zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:27:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: passed the young buck At 03:15 PM 9/16/2004 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: >My linguistic drif bete noire remains the replacement of "disconnection" >with "disconnect": "There seems to be a growing disconnect between word and >the suffixes that make them actually mean something." Perhaps the "-tion" suffix is headed to the grave of the "-ly." I can't watch TV for ten minutes without screaming at some talking head "would it kill you to use an adverb?" immediately, immediately, Immediate-l-y!, Miles p.s.: http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/ly.htm p.p.s.: I will actually have the chance to scream at a Talking Head tonight, since I'm seeing David Byrne at the Ryman. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:29:11 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: THIS is how to sell on eBay All of a sudden I need to buy a stapler... http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=bishop287911&include=0&since= - -1&sort=3&rows=50 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:11:58 -0500 From: Subject: Warning: this is 100% political [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] This is an urgent SOS for your help. The Democratic Party, starting with the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and their operatives at the state level are engaged in many "dirty tricks" to keep the Nader/Camejo candidacy off the state ballots. Using limitless amounts of money, corporate law firms, obstructers, harassers, and utterly vacuous lawsuits, these Democrats are crudely bent on denying millions of voters the opportunity to vote for the progressive Nader/Camejo ticket and the future justice and prosperity of our country. Their obstructions are a disgrace to a Party that calls itself Democratic. They are intimidating our signature gatherers, demanding that people who signed our petitions withdraw their names, using taxpayer monies to nitpick, prevaricate, and make false charges. We are fighting them on all fronts. We are demanding that John Kerry put a stop to what may well turn into a mini-Watergate scandal for his campaign when he needs to concentrate on George W. Bush as we have done week after week. We need your contributions, donations and volunteer help in various states where we are defending our signature totals. Any web contributions up to $250 per person may be eligible for federal matching until midnight tonight! Please send us your donations for the defense of all third parties and Independent candidates--now and in the future--who give the people more voices and choices. If the Democrats prevail in blocking us from several state ballots, it will encourage both Parties to do the same to other candidates in the future, stifling their constitutional right to free speech, assembly, and petition. Preserve civil liberties. Together we can overcome. Thank you, Ralph Nader - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:15:07 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Spooked vinyl I saw someone had posted wondering when the vinyl version of Spooked will go on sale. I had been waiting, too. I just figured out that it is on sale already and probably has been since the CD pre-order notice went up. There is no link for it anywhere. You have to go to the store page on the Yep Roc site, then click the vinyl link. Hope that helps somebody, Marc http://www.yeproc.com/store.php?page=vinyl I don't pretend to have all the answers. I don't pretend to even know what the questions are. Hey, where am I? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Warning: this is 100% political > This is an urgent SOS for your help. The Democratic Party, starting > with the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and their operatives at > the state level are engaged in many "dirty tricks" to keep the > Nader/Camejo candidacy off the state ballots. Using limitless amounts > of money, corporate law firms, obstructers, harassers, and utterly > vacuous lawsuits, What consitutes a "dirty trick"? In my humble opinion, mounting a legal challenge against petitions to put Nader on the ballot would ONLY be a dirty trick if there were no valid legal grounds for the challenge. (Presumably this is what Ralph means by a "vacuous" lawsuit.) But if there are real grounds for the suit -- eg, if it seems that that many signatures were fake or not from eligible voters, or if the signature-collectors themselves did not meet legal requirements -- then how is the suit unfair? Is Ralph supposed to be allowed to count invalid signatures on his petitions, just because he's Saint Ralph? > They are intimidating our signature gatherers, demanding that people > who signed our petitions withdraw their names, using taxpayer monies > to nitpick, prevaricate, and make false charges. Actually a lot of Democratic charges of invalid (or outright fake) signatures and petition-gatherers who violated legal requirements have proven to be 100% true, in Arizona, Maryland, Virginia and probably other states. > We are fighting them on all fronts. We are demanding that John Kerry > put a stop to what may well turn into a mini-Watergate scandal for his > campaign when he needs to concentrate on George W. Bush as we have > done week after week. He "needs to concentrate on Bush?" Umm, Ralph, if you're running against Kerry, you gotta expect him to run against you. That's how this whole election thing works. > If the Democrats prevail in blocking us from several state ballots, it > will encourage both Parties to do the same to other candidates in the > future, stifling their constitutional right to free speech, assembly, > and petition. Hah! If Nader got on the ballot in a state where he clearly failed to meet the legal requirements for doing so, THAT would be an affront to democracy. - --Chris (who has been skipping the political threads lately) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #262 ********************************