From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #260 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 15 2004 Volume 13 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- weird movies to pronounce as a bonus [James Dignan ] Re: cool shit (Beck) [James Dignan ] Re: weird movies to pronounce as a bonus [Eb ] RE: Spooked ["FS Thomas" ] comparing Tongues [Miles Goosens ] storefront [Mike Swedene ] a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds ["Natalie Jacobs" <] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #258 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: a question and a comment [fingerpuppets ] RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds ["Eb" ] Re: a smallish hobsistency is the congoblin of full minds ["Rex Broome" <] Re: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds [Tom Clark ] Re: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds ["Fortissimo" <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:32:02 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: weird movies to pronounce as a bonus > > PS As of yesterday afternoon, I am no longer the only "film buff" on >> Earth >> who has never seen Casablanca. Ehh, I'd give it a B+, I guess.... ;) > >That's weird. I borrowed it from the library over the weekend, but ended >up watching FRENZY and NAPOLEON DYMAMITE instead. Both were really >great. I'll end up buying NAPOLEAN DYNAMITE once it comes out on dvd. >It's hilarious! talking of hilarious old movies, I recently watched one of the most bizarre thrillers I've ever seen. Started sensibly enough (though way too slow) but ended up... well, brainless stupid fun. Title: "His kind of woman". > > 2 Astronomy Dominae > > Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn > >It always occurs to me that I don't know but never to ask >(or look up I suppose) but: > >I have no idea how to pronounce the second word of this >title. would rhyme with "from eBay" if you made the "e" very short and stressed the "bay" instead. Of if you prefer, think of "You and I and Dominae" :) > >> http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm >. > > > > "LP Bonus Track" ???? What's the world coming to!? > >Seems like the first time I remember encountering this was when Sonic >Youth's album Dirty (1992) came out on double-vinyl with a bonus track >called "Stalker." Earlier examples? Depends whether you count "Train in Vain" on London Calling, or even the Sergeant Pepper inner groove. Then again, in the latter case, there weren't any other formats that things were being issued in. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:36:55 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: MLITBOG > > By now, I think everyone is more than well-acquainted with how I feel > > about rejiggering. > >Yup. But the Bush of Ghosts disc is the original (and I think thus >far only) CD issue of the record and as far as I know it was never >advertised as anything but The CD of The Album You Know and Love. >Dunno what happened there. IIRC, when it was issued as a CD the track "Qu'ran" was left off due to complaints from the moslem community (some sects object to the use of musical instruments to accompany the voice when it is reciting Koranic scripture), so an extra track was put in its place ("Very very hungry", if I'm not mistaken) James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:52:05 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: cool shit (Beck) >18) Round the Bend (Beck): A track from Sea Change, the fourth and >final familiar-to-me tune to show up here. Something interesting >happens to it in this context... Sea Change, as an album, is clearly >deeply influenced by Nick Drake, but it seems to drift that way over >time, with enough asides into other territory to feel more organic >than ripped-off. On its own, though, this sounds so much like Drake >that it might as well be a cover. For those who don't know it, it's a >mournful acoustic ballad with a big orchestral backing (a little >bigger than typical for Drake but still in that realm) taking care of >that ambient-backing thing so prominent on this disc. Strangely, >though I like this song less here than on its parent album, it makes >me want to go back and listen to Sea Change, which I liked a good >deal. This happens a lot with Beck, I find. Individual tracks sound plagiarised, but taken as a whole the albums seems just awash with different influences. Listen to his early song "Fucking with my head" on its own, and you think the royalties should be going straight to Jagger and Richards. In its place on its album though, it doesn't seem nearly that derivative. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:25:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: weird movies to pronounce as a bonus >> > "LP Bonus Track" ???? What's the world coming to!? >> >> Seems like the first time I remember encountering this was when Sonic >> Youth's album Dirty (1992) came out on double-vinyl with a bonus track >> called "Stalker." Earlier examples? > > Depends whether you count "Train in Vain" on London Calling, or even > the Sergeant Pepper inner groove. I don't. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:10:05 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: Spooked > Does that mean that it will be in retail stores next > Tuesday, the 21st? Anyone's guess is as good as mine. As late as the KEXP interview Robyn was saying the 5th. No complaints here, though. Bing-a-bodda-bling. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:57:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: comparing Tongues Wow, no one beat me to it. I don't have the vinyl or original CD versions of SPEAKING IN TONGUES handy to compare (haven't moved the former from WV, but hope to do that on the next trip home, sold the latter), but here are the track times for the "extended" versions: Making Flippy Floppy - 5:53 Girfriend Is Better - 5:45 Slippery People - 5:06 I Get Wild/Wild Gravity - 5:14 Moon Rocks - 5:42 later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: storefront Tuesday 8 PM - Starz True Stories STOREFRONT Hitchcock. FYI. mike np - "I Me Mine" Beatles "let It Be (Remix 1995)" (stereo) ===== - ------------------------------------------------- "there is water at the bottom of the ocean" - talking heads _________________________________________________________ _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:51:17 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds re. REM: >the new single strikes me as consolidating their post-'96 position as an >Adult Contemporary act. One of my friends, an extremely hardcore REM fan, was practically vomiting upon hearing their latest single (which can be heard at remhq.com) - Michael Stipe singing "I love you! Forever!" didn't sit well with her, I guess... >who's really glad that Natalie has come around on Neil Young Wait, wait, hold on a second. I've always liked Neil, I just never got around to getting any of his records until this past summer. You know how sometimes artists just slip between the cracks? Kinda like the way some people have never gotten around to seeing "Citizen Kane"... ;) >However, I just heard the new album by Feist, who I believe is an >occasional vocalist in Broken Social Scene, and wow. I paid a visit to the Arts & Crafts website (BSS's label) last night and listened to tracks by Feist, Stars, and Jason Collett. I really liked both Feist and Stars, and will probably pick up their records at some point; Jason Collett wasn't quite as good (more straightforwardly singer-songwriter-y), but still not bad. >No, me too. I mean, Carl Newman doesn't seem like a suicide risk or >anything, but the New Pornographers never struck me as especially happy, >nor especially similar to the increasingly-narrow stylistic vein I'd call >"power pop." Well, I don't know, but a friend recommended I get "Mass Romantic" and I couldn't listen to it all the way through. It was so relentlessly "poppy" that it was like being force-fed sugar. I really, really hated it. I think the only record that's passed out of my collection faster has been Modest Mouse's "Lonesome Crowded West," which I sold after listening to only two songs. (Now the argumentative types are gonna say, "But Nat, why do you love the Apples in Stereo if you don't like relentless poppiness?" I have no idea. Leave me alone!) And I don't "kinda" love Neko Case, I really love Neko Case. Aren't you guys taking notes?? Re. movie classics which we have never seen - I've never seen "Gone With the Wind," probably because when I was little, my parents mocked it mercilessly for being racist. I've also never seen "It's a Wonderful Life" and I have no plans to do so, ever. gnat "Ms. Scrooge" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:46:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #258 > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:30:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Dwarf > Subject: Other parts of Robyn's playlist > > 2 Astronomy Dominae > It always occurs to me that I don't know but never to ask > (or look up I suppose) but: > I have no idea how to pronounce the second word of this > title. The correct spelling is with an e acute, not "ae". I have little doubt that it is supposed to rhyme with "Astronomy", so it sounds the same as a Scottish schoolmaster. > > 3 Heroin (Stereo) > > The Velvet Underground & Nico > As much as I love that album and VU in general, "Heroin" is > just so fookin' overrated. If it was the 300th smack song > ever to be recorded instead of (one of) the first, no one > would give a shit. Don't agree. However, the first H song I ever learned was Bert Jansch's "Needle of Death" from his 1965 debut LP. Any earlier entrants? > 10 V-2 Schneider > David Bowie Heroes Why is he listening to this rubbish when he could have "Me262" on the jukebox? - - Captain von Ondine PS(1) "Kane" is great for ceilings and for those 3/4 downwards shots from the top of stairs. But the Orson Welles character is a real bore - I'd rather see him on top of the Ferris wheel in Vienna any day. PS(2) I saw a crit. recently which said that the person in "The Scream" is not the screamer but the screamee, i.e. they are listening to the scream rather than uttering it. Whaddya think? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:40:56 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: a question and a comment one time at band camp, Aaron Mandel (aaron@eecs.harvard.edu) said: >Yeah, I don't get the BSS hype. At all. i sorta agree, but i find _you leave it in people_ still a very pleasant listen for what it is. i picked it up to help defray the shipping costs for that feist album and it's certainly worth a lot more than simple shipping conversation. >However, I just heard the new album by Feist, who I believe is an >occasional vocalist in Broken Social Scene, and wow. agreed 100% here. _let it die_ is a really fine rekkid. and here's a recommendation for her first one, _monarch_, as well. it's a completely different vibe and nowhere near as produced but a very nice listen as well. it's oop but you may stumble across it in the used bins. (somewhere around here, i have a recording of her in our living room too.) woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:59:37 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds >I've also never seen "It's a Wonderful Life" and >I have no plans to do so, ever. Quite possibly the most overrated film of all time. "Every time a bell rings, an angel gets his wings." Lordy, what treacle. Otherwise, I actually saw "Gone with the Wind" for the first time in a *theater*, when I was, oh, 10 or 11. Looking back, I think "Why the heck was it playing in a theater?" It was NOT a revival house. I went with a friend and his mother. The mother was a big Clark Gable fan, and insisted that we should see the film. I felt the same way about it then, as I do now: Most of it is quite good, but it gets silly in the back half when beloved characters start systematically dying off one by one, for no reason other than to create drama. Speaking of overrated, I finally saw another should-have-seen-long ago film last night: Bowling for Columbine. I didn't like it much, but for unexpected reasons. It wasn't so much because I was aggravated by Moore's usual manipulative, shock-jock tactics (well, at least until he pulled out the "Think of the CHILDREN!" shtick at the end), but simply because the film was so *unfocused*. OK, it's supposed to be a pro-gun control statement, using the Columbine tragedy as its central lynchpoint, right? But as the film goes on, Moore dawdles off into blabbering about white/black race relations, the utopian wonders of Canada, the bombing of Kosovo, yet MORE flogging about his beloved Flint's problems...I thought the film badly veered off the path. It was somewhat long for a film of its kind (120 minutes), and it should have been 20 minutes shorter. That whole animated segment with the history of slaves, etc. was 95% self-indulgence. Really surprised that people thought the film was so "powerful," and that it won the Best Doc Oscar. I just didn't think it was a well-made film, regardless of any political controversy. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:38:55 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: FW: From 4AD PIXIES CLASSIC ALBUMS REISSUED ON VINYL Back by popular demand ! 4AD are proud to announce that the first three Pixies albums are now available again - this time on heavyweight on 180gm vinyl. The mini-album "Come On Pilgrim" was where it all started back in 1987, (MAD 709), followed by "Surfer Rosa" in 1998 (CAD 803), and "Doolittle" (CAD 905) - voted the second best album of all time in an NME readers poll - in 1989. All three albums have been out of print on vinyl for a long time. Each re-release features the complete original artwork, except for "Doolittle" which now includes an insert including the lyrics, taken from the booklet which came free with initial copies first time around. ***** 4AD http://www.4ad.com To unsubscribe/change your preferences visit: http://beggars.com/subscribe/4ad/43D8WM6CSM_1664272/ Visit http://www.avdeck.com to listen to the latest releases and exclusive interviews from 4AD and other independent labels. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:41:55 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: a smallish hobsistency is the congoblin of full minds Nat: > (Now the argumentative types are gonna say, "But Nat, why do you > love the Apples in Stereo if you don't like relentless poppiness?" > I have no idea. Leave me alone!) I don't consider myself argumentative by definition, but, ummm... yeah, I was gonna say pretty much exactly that. You like the Shins, too, right? > And I don't "kinda" love Neko Case, I really love Neko Case. > Aren't you guys taking notes?? I've misplaced mine. I should hunt those up, though, because I've been wracking my brain to remember how you feel about Jim O'Rourke. I'm getting the Sadies LP along with my copy of Spooked, both for Robyn's guest shot and a preview of Neko's live record with them as a backing band, due before the end of the year. 'Cuz I am up to the level of really, really loving her. Has there ever been a band named The Hobgoblins, and, if so, did they suck as bad as I would assume they must have? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:32:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds On Sep 14, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > I've also never seen "It's a Wonderful Life" and I have no plans to do > so, ever. A lot of people include this on their yearly xmas viewing list. I actively avoid it every year - which isn't as easy as it sounds. FWIW, here's my yearly holiday viewing list: National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation A Christmas Story A Charlie Brown Christmas (despite the religious content) and new this year... Bad Santa - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:46:29 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Canadian bands & American movies Natalie Jane said: "You guys know my tastes pretty well at this point - can you suggest some Canadian bands I might actually like?" I don't believe I am much use when it comes to recommending up-to-date bands, as the last Canadian band I got charged up about was The Tragically Hip. They are a love it or hate it kind of band. (Note: listen to their song "New Orleans is Sinking" while the hurricane is in progress, it's not only one of their best but possibly accurate). I hear that Junkhouse from Hamilton is good, and The Bills from Victoria are also good. Of course we have our share of sensitive balladeers, but I don't suppose that's what you're looking for. Brian said: "I'll end up buying NAPOLEAN DYNAMITE once it comes out on dvd. It's hilarious!" I agree, I saw this in a theatre with only 4 people in it and wondered why the best movies tend to be overlooked. I love this movie and want to see it again. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Eb wrote: > Speaking of overrated, I finally saw another should-have-seen-long ago > film last night: Bowling for Columbine. [snip] > OK, it's supposed to be a pro-gun control statement, using the Columbine > tragedy as its central lynchpoint, right? Wrong. In fact, the point of the film seems to be that guns are NOT the problem (hence, the focus on Canada where there are plenty of guns and is very little gun violence). The only bit that is rambling and off-base is that bit you lament at the end when he goes on about stopping K-Mart from selling certain bullets. That's contrary to his thesis and really seems to only be included to show the world how much influence he can have. The film attempts to explore the complex system that creates our surface culture of violence. He narrows it down to fear and desperation caused by media and poverty, respectively. The animated bit is there to show that mainstream white culture has been, in this country, motivated by xenophobia, paranoia, and other anti-social tendencies since at least the Mayflower. The mention of Kosovo (as well as Chile, Panama, Iraq, etc.) is meant to illustrate the horrific violence presented to us ALL THE TIME as justified and good and then we wonder why young people turn to guns to solve problems. Anyway, it seemed very clear to me that Moore was showing how gun control is NOT a solution to our violence problem, but that gun culture exacerbates our violence problem and undermines (perhaps intentionally) our attempts to understand why there's so much violence in our society. I think the reason he got Best Documentary and the Palm D'Orr was the film's ability to explore such a broad topic without focussing on a single issue of gun control or some other totally unsupportable resolution to this complex problem. In a way, Bowling For Columbine is the first mainstream work that attempts to show why the USA is different than every other place in the world without being a pro-American propaganda piece. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:26:31 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds I think the reason he got Best Documentary and the Palm D'Orr was the film's ability to explore such a broad topic without focussing on a single issue of gun control or some other totally unsupportable resolution to this complex problem. In a way, Bowling For Columbine is the first mainstream work that attempts to show why the USA is different than every other place in the world without being a pro-American propaganda piece. - ---- OK, I guess you respected the film more than I did. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:02:01 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #258 > > 3 Heroin (Stereo) > > The Velvet Underground & Nico >> As much as I love that album and VU in general, "Heroin" is >> just so fookin' overrated. If it was the 300th smack song >>ever to be recorded instead of (one of) the first, no one >> would give a shit. MR Godwin came back with: >Don't agree. However, the first H song I ever learned was Bert Jansch's >"Needle of Death" from his 1965 debut LP. Any earlier entrants? I am thinking that you probably have the earliest. Maybe an obscure blues song was done earlier, although blues guys were more into booze. I bet that a lot of jazz songs in the 1950's were composed under the influence of smack though, considering all the jazz artists that were hooked on smack back then. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:55:51 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: robyn on kgsr Robyn Hitchcock on KGSR Oct 29! September 15, 2004, 4:03 pm Robyn Hitchcock will participate in an interview/performance on KGSR in Austin on Friday, October 29th around 3:30pm. You can listen to KGSR by clicking the "Listen Live" link at: http://www.kgsr.com/frames.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:41:30 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:51:17 -0700, "Natalie Jacobs" said: (Now the argumentative types are gonna say, "But Nat, why do you > love the Apples in Stereo if you don't like relentless poppiness?" I > have > no idea. Leave me alone!) > > gnat "Ms. Scrooge" the gnatster Hmm. I think Eb has been the list's resident curmudgeon, but you show strong potential. Please address the following issues: 1) cute puppies playing with ribbons at Christmastime 2) ponies galloping blissfully in a field of summer flowers 3) guided missiles blowing an Iraqi wedding party to bits 4) a small, big-eyed child with a tear in his eye looking lip-tremblingly directly at you Thank you. Our scorers will get back to you shortly. (Note: there may be a trick question above.) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #260 ********************************