From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #259 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 14 2004 Volume 13 : Number 259 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: auditorium update [Tom Clark ] Re: Bonus track ["Brian" ] Re: Bonus track ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Bonus track [John Barrington Jones ] Tourdates/Gimme iPod of rock and roll ["Rex Broome" ] Re: Yep... rock in the mail! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: robyn minneapolis tickets on sale wednesday ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Bonus track [Miles Goosens ] Re: Bonus track [Dolph Chaney ] Pingu the Album [Miles Goosens ] Re: Bonus track ["Rex Broome" ] RE: Robyn's playlist ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Giles Rupert [Miles Goosens ] Re: Bonus track [Miles Goosens ] Re: a question and a comment [Miles Goosens ] Re: Giles Rupert [John Barrington Jones ] Re:M. ["Rex Broome" ] Re: Bonus track [John Barrington Jones ] Re:M. [Miles Goosens ] Re: a question and a comment [Aaron Mandel ] Heads on Cassette ["Rex Broome" ] Re: a question and a comment ["Rex Broome" ] Cool shit I got from Fegs, Part One ["Rex Broome" Subject: Re: auditorium update On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:59 AM, Wendi Foster wrote: > *continuing to cross fingers in hopes for a Denver show* > > Cross 'em hard! I doubt Robyn will ever play in Denver again. He has complained in the past about the altitude, and his last show there (Soiled Dove - '99?) was a disaster. It's too bad though - I know there are a lot of fans there. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:29:03 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Bonus track The Cure's "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" had an extra track on the vinyl not on the cd. Was it "Hey You"? - -Nuppy On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:59:01 -0700, "Eb" said: > >> http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm >. > > > > "LP Bonus Track" ???? What's the world coming to!? > > Seems like the first time I remember encountering this was when Sonic > Youth's album Dirty (1992) came out on double-vinyl with a bonus track > called "Stalker." Earlier examples? > > Eb - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:40:01 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Bonus track On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:29:03 -0400, "Brian" said: > The Cure's "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" had an extra track on the vinyl not > on the cd. Was it "Hey You"? But that - like whatever Prince song it was that was left off the original issues of _1999_ - had more to do w/the supposed 74-minute limit of early CDs than anything else (KM^3 came out in '87). It was less a vinyl-only "bonus" track than it was the track on the vinyl version they decided to leave off the CD. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Bonus track On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Brian wrote: > The Cure's "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" had an extra track on the vinyl not > on the cd. Was it "Hey You"? No doubt there will be 20 replies to this, but.... "Hey You" is actually a track on the album - not a bonus track. Due to the time constraints of the cd, it had to be left off. =jbj=, wondering whatever happened to The Cure reissues. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:32:13 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Tourdates/Gimme iPod of rock and roll - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [69.3.112.7] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for rexbroome90042@lycos.com; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:26:33 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" To: "Wendi Foster" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:26:33 -0800 Subject: Tourdates/Gimme iPod of rock and roll X-Originating-Ip: 69.3.112.7 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Wendi: > *continuing to cross fingers in hopes for a Denver show* Gotta be more dates to be announced... nothing at all in California yet, and that can't be right. Oh, and I don't think there's any confirmation of Robyn owning an iPod... more likely they just solicited theoretical "playlists" in the Desert Island Disc mode, and really, how can it hurt Robyn to appear in a magazine, any magazine, at this point? Bob Mould specifically cops to not owning one, although he apparently makes extensive use of iTunes in his "groovy techno DJ Mouldy-Mould" guise. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:15:01 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Bonus track On Tue, Sep 14, 2004, fingerpuppets wrote: > one time at band camp, Martin J Fioretti (martinfioretti@juno.com) said: > > >"LP Bonus Track" ???? What's the world coming to!? > > analog heck! according to yep roc, those who pre-order the record will > get, while supplies last, a cd-r with the lp bonus track and another > song on neither the cd nor the lp. so, the lp will probably not be an > absolute necessity except to the collectors and scenesters. > I bit the bullet and ordered it today from yep roc. Michael B. NP Tanya Donelly - whiskey tango ghosts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:22:50 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Yep... rock in the mail! > From: "Rex.Broome" > Subject: Yep... rock in the mail! > > Yep Roc tells me my copy of Spooked has shipped... Is Yep Roc shipping the CDs only? I intend to buy it on LP -- anybody order it yet and get notification that it's been shipped? I bought two 8-track tape players last week. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:47:16 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Bonus track Eb: > Seems like the first time I remember encountering this was when Sonic > Youth's album Dirty (1992) came out on double-vinyl with a bonus track > called "Stalker." Earlier examples? Seems to me that the early days of CD's coincided with the period when cassettes were getting longer and longer (using that really thin tape) and for a while there some cassettes had bonus or extended tracks over both the LP and CD versions of some records. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this was the case with one or the other of the late-'80's long-ish Cure records (KMKMKM or Disintegration)... not quite the same thing, but definitely a case where just having the CD wouldn't get you the whole record. I feel like I should be able to cite another (or more concrete) example... I know my cassette of "My Life in The Bush of Ghosts" has a "bonus" track that's not on the CD, but I think that (A) there's also a non-cassette track on the CD, and (B) the CD release postdates the orginal release date, so it's more or a rejiggered reissue than a simultaneous release, and I assume Eb is looking for examples of the latter. Latter, Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:19:46 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: robyn minneapolis tickets on sale wednesday Jason: > Finally, I must wonder, why are tickets for Robyn in Chicago $22.50?!? when > Minneapolis also gets Jonathan Richman on the bill for only $7? I've got to believe the venue overhead is higher here, but no doubt...it sucks. Sure didn't stop me from ponying up my cash, however. Richman is on a similar tour path but booked elsewhere, which is a shame - I'd like to see him. If Robyn hires 'The Lonseome Organist' to open again, I'm gonna be pissed. > Minneapolis rules. Yeah, but not in the winter. Not that Chicago's much better. It's a funny thought, brought on by mention of Scott McCaughey over on L-F, but...Scott's off touring with REM for the next year or whatever, right? And they're playing Pittsburgh on 11/7...RH is in Cleveland on 11/8, when REM is scheduled off...not saying anything, but hmmm...not that I'm driving to Cleveland or anything, but get that taping rig ready Brian ;) Michael "really, I'm gonna be pissed" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:30:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bonus track > the CD release postdates the orginal release date, so it's more or a > rejiggered reissue than a simultaneous release, and I assume Eb is > looking for examples of the latter. By now, I think everyone is more than well-acquainted with how I feel about rejiggering. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:17:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Bonus track Jeff: >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:29:03 -0400, "Brian" >said: >> The Cure's "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" had an extra track on the vinyl not >> on the cd. Was it "Hey You"? > >But that - like whatever Prince song it was that was left off the >original issues of _1999_ - had more to do w/the supposed 74-minute >limit of early CDs than anything else (KM^3 came out in '87). It was >less a vinyl-only "bonus" track than it was the track on the vinyl >version they decided to leave off the CD. On the other hand, KISS ME KISS ME KISS ME wasn't a CD reissue of an existing album like the _1999_ disc, but was a new release during the CD era. I mean, you're probably right about the reason the track was left off (I wasn't yet a Cure fan so I wasn't paying close attention, though I did get my first CD player as a birthday present in May '87), but it sort of feels different, even if the band conceptualized KISS ME as a double LP rather than as a CD. BTW, the Prince song that was left off the original CD of _1999_ was "D.M.S.R." Now there's an artist I was paying lots of attention to in 1987... JBJ: >, wondering whatever happened to The Cure reissues. First four albums due near the end of the year, last I heard. I also just learned that the Eurythmics reissues, announced then delayed in the latest round of label mergers, are now back on the schedule at least in Europe: Nov. 1st is the new date. By the way, these local guys, who I've been touting since '97, finally have a full-length debut, and it absolutely smokes: http://www.thefeatures.com I always liked them, but I never guessed they'd rise to the top of the NashPop heap. Sound samples abound at their website, and Universal is selling the album at a ridiculously low price, so be the first kid on your block to snag one. Jamie Starr's a thief, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:58:48 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Bonus track Rex wrote about Cure cassettes... Both "concert" and "Staring At The Sea: The Singles" were doubled in length in their cassette form. "concert" added "curiosities"; "Staring At The Sea" added the respective B-sides. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:08:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Pingu the Album Oh yeah, add me to the "SPOOKED on the way" brigade. Even though I have low expectations of it, I guess I'm not *that* broken up with Robyn, at least not yet and especially compared with R.E.M. I saw Robyn live in January, preordered the new one, and would go see him if he came through town again on the tour. On the other hand, I have no plans to purchase the new R.E.M.; didn't buy tickets to see them in October at the greatest live venue in this land, the Ryman Auditorium (a decision that ended up overjoying me when a Morrissey show at the Ryman was announced just after R.E.M. tix went on sale -- I couldn't have afforded both shows); and the new single strikes me as consolidating their post-'96 position as an Adult Contemporary act. Anyway, sez Nuppy: >I just received Ping Pong yesterday. Oh this is good. Very good stuff. Hurrah! >And the music, >though mostly slow, is all over the place. I'd never noticed the former, maybe because of the latter. I'm as big an enemy of Midtempoitis as there is, but the best way to combat it is Insane Variety, and Momus at his best serves up plenty of different approaches and sounds. I also don't know how I keep leaving off "2 PM" when I do comps; it's always a huge treat when it rolls around. Did you catch that "Ping Pong" (the song) was going to be the theme for a Pingu movie that never happened (i.e., "Pingu, the movie..." not "Ping Pong, the album...")? Looking forward to some new, now U.K.-made Pingu... Also, Kahimi Karie's version of "Lolitapop Dollhouse" smokes the quite-good Momus take here, just as Nick says it does. He did write it for her, after all. >I'll definately dive a little further into his >catalog. I'll put forth THE PHILOSOPHY OF MOMUS and STARS FOREVER as "next!" candidates... bringing us a message of love, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:53:49 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Bonus track Eb: > By now, I think everyone is more than well-acquainted with how I feel > about rejiggering. Yup. But the Bush of Ghosts disc is the original (and I think thus far only) CD issue of the record and as far as I know it was never advertised as anything but The CD of The Album You Know and Love. Dunno what happened there. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:57:49 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist Checking in with never having seen "Gone with the Wind". I have seen some clips of it though. I watched the new double disc DVD "Goodfellas" last night with the Henry Hill and the cop who nailed him commentary. The movie is 95% accurate, according to Hill. All the mob guys he associated with either got whacked, or are in jail for a very long time or died in jail already. Pretty amazing that he survived all the mayhem and got into the witness protection program to testify against his former associates. Michael B. - -----Original Message----- From: John Barrington Jones [mailto:jbjones@pdx.edu] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:40 AM To: Eb Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist > PS As of yesterday afternoon, I am no longer the only "film buff" on Earth > who has never seen Casablanca. Ehh, I'd give it a B+, I guess.... ;) Don't feel bad, Eric. I still haven't seen "Citizen Kane". =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:22:36 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist At 04:57 PM 9/14/2004 -0400, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Checking in with never having seen "Gone with the Wind". >I have seen some clips of it though. I'm trying to think of my most major film omission... lots of silents, I guess (ex: BIRTH OF A NATION), not because of lack of interest but lack of opportunity compared to the talkies. Looking at the AFI's list (not that it's close to definitive, but it's handy), MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON is my highest-ranked "never seen," probably because I feel like I know everything in the movie already. > I watched the new double disc DVD "Goodfellas" last night >with the Henry Hill and the cop who nailed him commentary. >The movie is 95% accurate, according to Hill. All the mob >guys he associated with either got whacked, or are in jail for >a very long time or died in jail already. Pretty amazing that he >survived all the mayhem and got into the witness protection program >to testify against his former associates. I enjoyed Hill's ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY interview a couple of years ago where the interviewer gave him several then-new games to play. He got frustrated with GRAND THEFT AUTO 3 really quickly, but he adored ANIMAL CROSSING. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:53:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Giles Rupert At 12:50 PM 9/6/2004 +1200, James Dignan wrote: >I must admit, the Dolby track that came to mind with the original >question was "One of our submarines", which ISTR has a long version >on the BbS EP (or at least the old 12" single). And while we're talking "rejiggered" stuff and/or long versions on cassette, two more pertinent examples: I've always thought of the BLINDED BY SCIENCE mixes as not *remixes* but the real versions before GOLDEN AGE had to be whittled down to LP size. They're not suffused with dance beats or gratuitous tape loops; they instead play out organically as more complete songs. It's always tough for me to hear the WIRELESS versions, because I keep expecting the rest of the music from the long versions to show up! Talking Heads' SPEAKING IN TONGUES was a similar case, where the extended cassette versions were the "real" takes in the bandmembers' minds. I only even knew about the cassette because '83 was my first summer with a Walkman and my last without a quality cassette deck that could record from vinyl, so that year I bought a *lot* of prerecorded cassettes. I picked up the Rauschenberg vinyl too, but listened to the cassette constantly. So I was quite surprised when I got around to playing the vinyl -- I knew that many songs were shorter on the LP, but they seemed absolutely *truncated* in comparison to the cassette. The original CD of SPEAKING IN TONGUES replicated the vinyl, but when Byrne et al found out, they insisted that the cassette "extended" versions must replace the shorter takes, which was a most gratifying confirmation of my hunch from lo those many years before. And hey, I'm seeing David Byrne at the Ryman on Friday. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:30:33 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Bonus track At 02:58 PM 9/14/2004 -0500, Dolph Chaney wrote: >Rex wrote about Cure cassettes... >Both "concert" and "Staring At The Sea: The Singles" were >doubled in length in their cassette form. "concert" >added "curiosities"; "Staring At The Sea" added the >respective B-sides. Let us not forget "Carnage Visors," which was on the b-side of the FAITH cassette. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:42:54 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: a question and a comment At 12:35 PM 9/13/2004 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: >Question: >I downloaded a track by Broken Social Scene last night and really dug it. Pros: unlike a lot of '90s/'00s indie rockers, they rotate between a wide variety of styles. Cons: they're all '90s/'00s indie styles I don't like. >It seems like much of the Canadian stuff >I've heard - not including mainstream pap - is happy jingle-jangle power-pop >like Sloan or the New Pornographers, which I can't stand. Surely Jeff and I aren't the only ones choking at this point? First Mike Watt dismissed as "slap bass," now this... *sniff* later, Miles, who's really glad that Natalie has come around on Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Giles Rupert On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > The original CD of SPEAKING IN TONGUES replicated the vinyl, but when Byrne et al found out, they insisted that the cassette "extended" versions must replace the shorter takes, which was a most gratifying confirmation of my hunch from lo those many years before. I bought a used copy of Speaking In Tongues about a year ago. Is there a way to tell which version I have?? Are the differences in track lengths drastic? =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:38:30 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re:M. Miles: > On the other hand, I have no plans to purchase the new R.E.M.; >>didn't buy tickets to see them in October I think I will buy the REM record. I mean, I'm just about to come into posession of new albums by Robyn Hitchcock and Camper Van Beethoven, so might as well complete my "close your eyes and pretend it's 1986" experience. Methinks CVB will carry the day this time around. Dude... 1986 was 18 years ago. I know that's hardly a mathematical revelation, but... damn. It was also the first time REM was believed to start sucking by most reckonings, but I don't wanna open that can of worms again! Swallow magnets, let's gather together... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Bonus track On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 02:58 PM 9/14/2004 -0500, Dolph Chaney wrote: > >Rex wrote about Cure cassettes... > >Both "concert" and "Staring At The Sea: The Singles" were > >doubled in length in their cassette form. "concert" > >added "curiosities"; "Staring At The Sea" added the > >respective B-sides. > > Let us not forget "Carnage Visors," which was on the b-side of the FAITH cassette. I'm crossing fingers and toes that both "Curiosities" and "Carnage Visors" will be included with the reissues at some point. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:21:25 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re:M. At 12:38 PM 9/14/2004 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: >Dude... 1986 was 18 years ago. I know that's hardly a mathematical >revelation, but... damn. No shit. When you're an adult, the time, it do fly. I mean, I think I was 10 for what seemed like two years; now if I doze off for ten minutes, two years seem to go by. I was just thinking about this very year and the total elapsed time, because sometime in September 1986 was when I met Melissa. Wish I knew the date, but it was likely sometime in the first week of September. (I do know the date of our first date -- if that's not redundant -- and our anniversary, which puts me ahead of most other cartoon and TV husbands.) >It was also the first time REM was believed to >start sucking by most reckonings, but I don't wanna open that can of worms >again! Heh! It is pretty much inviting another quiver's worth of "more alt-than-thou" barbs. Speaking of elapsed time, there's JBJ's question about SPEAKING IN TONGUES. I'm leaving work and going straight to the Features' record release thingamajig at Grimey's, so I don't have my SPEAKING IN TONGUES CD at hand. If no one else has answered JBJ's query by the time I get home tonight, I'll fish the CD out and answer the question, but I'll bet the Feg Oracle will serve up the correct response before then. Basically: everything on Side One except for "Burning Down the House" is longer, while the only Side Two song to get "extended" treatment is "Moon Rocks," but that info probably doesn't help. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: a question and a comment On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 12:35 PM 9/13/2004 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: > >Question: > >I downloaded a track by Broken Social Scene last night and really dug it. > > Pros: unlike a lot of '90s/'00s indie rockers, they rotate between a > wide variety of styles. > > Cons: they're all '90s/'00s indie styles I don't like. Yeah, I don't get the BSS hype. At all. However, I just heard the new album by Feist, who I believe is an occasional vocalist in Broken Social Scene, and wow. Great voice, bossanova/downtempo fusion in the sound (I believe it's produced by Peaches' ex-cohort Chilly Gonzales), and on about half the tracks it just... WORKS. I paid import price before realizing it was from Canada and probably shouldn't have been that expensive. Anyway, it's called Let It Die and listentofeist.com has audio streams. > >It seems like much of the Canadian stuff > >I've heard - not including mainstream pap - is happy jingle-jangle power-pop > >like Sloan or the New Pornographers, which I can't stand. > > Surely Jeff and I aren't the only ones choking at this point? No, me too. I mean, Carl Newman doesn't seem like a suicide risk or anything, but the New Pornographers never struck me as especially happy, nor especially similar to the increasingly-narrow stylistic vein I'd call "power pop". But hey, people hate stuff. It happens. I figure my descriptions of things I don't like are bound to make fans choke too. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:22:13 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Heads on Cassette - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [204.110.116.1] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for rexbroome90042@lycos.com; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:21:04 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" To: "Miles Goosens" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:21:04 -0800 Subject: Heads on Cassette X-Originating-Ip: 204.110.116.1 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Miles: > Talking Heads' SPEAKING IN TONGUES was a similar case, where the > extended cassette versions were the "real" takes in the bandmembers' < > minds. And god only knows what was on the cassette of Stop Making Sense. ISTR that it was advertised as having extended versions of two songs and a "different mix" of "Slippery People", and I think that at least the latter has gone away forever, although I could be wrong... the one in the cassette opens up to include the audience noise on the closing a capella / snare-hit chorus to gloriously huge effect, and I don't think the version on the original SMS CD does that. I know the "Special Extended Version" CD of a few years back doesn't... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:32:22 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: a question and a comment A bunch o' fegs: > > >It seems like much of the Canadian stuff > > >I've heard - not including mainstream pap - is happy jingle-jangle power-pop > > >like Sloan or the New Pornographers, which I can't stand. > > > > Surely Jeff and I aren't the only ones choking at this point? > > No, me too. I mean, Carl Newman doesn't seem like a suicide risk or > anything, but the New Pornographers never struck me as especially happy, > nor especially similar to the increasingly-narrow stylistic vein I'd call > "power pop". Hey, at least Nat kinda likes Neko Case. She's not Canadian, but she sure does act that way. > But hey, people hate stuff. It happens. I figure my descriptions of things > I don't like are bound to make fans choke too. Well, I like TNP (both of them, actually). But I fucking hate Creed! Anyone choking? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:45:21 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Cool shit I got from Fegs, Part One So as the guy who mailed out like fifty copies of Tinfoil Thoths for trades, I got, like, a lot of cool shit from fellow fegs in return, and as the list is hopping today, I thought I should start the long process of acknowledging some of them. Then I realized I was never gonna remember them all, so let's call this number one in a very occasional series. I would, however, like to mention having spent a good deal of time recently with our very own Dolph Chaney's 3-disc sonic diary "very just fine", which contains some rough-hewn gems indeed and is well worth checking out. My personal favorite is the second disc (Loudness 2), but why not collect them all? In trade news unrelated to TT, there's always Jeff Norman's Ongoing Mix Disc Swap, which doesn't get much play on feg, althoug several of us participate. Since my mix disc came from Michael Wells, who is known around these parts, I thought I'd post my review of his compilation, since, well, I wrote it and everthing. So here goes. _____________________ Courtesy of Mr. Michael Wells, he of multiple mailings list also subscribed to by myself, comes the above- and appropriately-titled compilation disc. The cover: a photograph of a large and pleasant looking home in rural or possibly suburban Northe America which I take to be the titular "home", standing before a bank of tall fir trees; in the foreground, a single tree whose leaves have recently begun turning gold and red. Consider yourself oriented. The music contained herein leans in the direction of the modern-ish elegiac acoustic singer-songwriter idiom, featuring a fair amount of nimble finger-picking (which I happen to know to be a talent of Mr. Wells himself) often in combiation with washes of mournful ambient sound provided in equal parts by wooden and electronic means. (I have a feeling that not a single track on this disc was produced by Daniel Lanois, but quite a few feel as if they could have been). So yes, autumnal indeed, but as Fall is annually punctuated by Halloween, so there are a few exuberant surprises here. Let's listen in, Wellsketeers... 1) Becalmed (Brian Eno): One of the instrumental pieces from "Another Green World", presumably in its spiffy new remastered form. This one never leapt of the album for me, but it's a very appropriate intro piece, attuning the ear to the sound washes that flesh out the acoustic pieces which follow. Stately piano, synth strings... nice. 2) Cross of Flowers (Jeffrey Foucault): deftly finger-picked acoustic, sad, gruff vocals; features the lyric from which the disc takes its title. The "sound wash" on this one is ghostly pedal steel and sustained harmonica. Don't know this artist, but like the tune. About this time last year I went back east to the small town where I grew up for my grandmother's funeral... first time I'd been back there during autumn in sixteen years. Felt like this. 3) Charlie (Peter Mulvey): Another artist unfamiliar to me. As the title might indicate, this is a character study. More husky vocals and finger-style acoustic, a little more sprightly than the previous track. Minimal drums. Tremolo'ed lead guitar flits in and out. I think Charlie is a bartender. Feels like we're still in small-town aimlessness territory. I like it. 4) Caleb's Report (Doyle Dykes): the fingerpicked guitar parade continues... this is an instrumental, one of those impressive solo pieces that sounds like a duet. Sweet little bursts of harmonics throughout. Very nice playing. Dunno if I'd go for a whole album of this, but it's great seasoning for my compilation sandwich. 5) La Ma Weesu (Youssou N'Dour): an example of the kind of world music I'm embarrassed not to have any of, but would be even more embarrassed to have, like, just two or three records of. Fear of dilletantism, that's Rex all over. Anyhow, if you're like me, you know N'Dour from the Gabriel records and elsewhere, and would recognize him right away. This is an expansive 6/8-time piece with a strong melody, lush choir vocals, and a propulsive acoustic keeping it moving. 6) The Bird That You Can't See (The Apples in Stereo): Possibly included because I've often expressed befuddlement over the mania surrounding the whole Elephant 6 collective. I saw part of a live set by this band at a festival once and thought they were okay, but left halfway through to go check out Nels Cline and Carla Bozulich. The main place I've heard them, though, is on the Powerpuff Girls CD that my daughter has memorized... they actually do one of the strongest tracks on that album, but between that association and Schneider's high-pitched voice, which I would take for a pitch-shift joke were it to appear on, say, a Ween record, I'm hard pressed not to hear them as a kiddie or novelty band. This is not a bad song at all, especially melodically, but as a stab at intellectual white funk it's suffering mightily in comparison to that Talking Heads live reissue that I've been listening to way too much for the past few weeks. Still, I like this more every time I hear it. 7) What I Think She Sees (Del Amitri): Plaintive vocal, arpeggiated (but electric) guitar, strings... a bit AAA, but the drums don't go "big" the way I fear they will and it works out okay. I have the first album by this band and a few stray later tracks that indicated a Goo Goo Dolls-y kind of trajectory, and this lands just on the safe side of that fence. 8) The Bottle Rocket of Unrequited Love (Dag Juhlin): back to wooden guitars (but get out your plectra!) and shimmering background, um, synths this time? Higher, more plaintive vocals, strong melody. This could be longer without me complaining. Don't know this artist but have just been informed of a connection to Poi Dog Pondering whom I used to like a good deal. Further information would be appreciated... 9) Please Do Not Let Me Go (Ryan Adams): I'm theoretically indifferent to Adams' work, but then I've read more about him than I've heard by him. He can go on in interviews, eh? But this is not bad at all. Firmly back in mournful acoustic territory here. Flatpicks are still out and the part of the sonic ghost is once again essayed by pedal steel. Lyrics feature a Neil Young near-quote, and a few times when this has popped on and I haven't had the track list in front of me, the vocal at the start has oddly reminded me of Mark Mulcahy from Miracle Legion. Take that, Thom Yorke! 10) Railway Shoes/Live Radio Session (Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians): Well, this is quite a good song indeed. Not stripped down too far from the already spare album version. Hitchcock says "whoops" at one point, but with regards to what I'm not sure. Suitably autumnal and woodsy-sounding... good to encounter an old friend here. 11) Turn a Square (The Shins): Only the third song on the comp that I own in any form whatsoever, and a good one. This song rocks in a way that seems to fit the prevailing feeling of the record. There's this one big chord that hits every time the verse is about to come back around that reminds me strongly of some other song I can't place, and it's driving me buggy (I have determined that it is not "The Ledge" by the Replacements-- close but no cigar-- but it might be yet *another* song from that Powerpuff record). But this is a strong selection indeed. 12) On and On (Admiral Twin): Continuing in the power-pop vein... don't know these guys but they remind me strongly of Shoes, whom I like but have never really gotten into that deeply. Still a good tune. There's a sort of incongruous section of atonal noise where the middle 8 should be, but it doesn't derail the whole tune or anything. It repeats at the end with the signature riff overlaying it, and makes sense there. 13) The Seeker (Rush). Yep, every autumn has its Halloween, so here's one band dressing up as another one for kicks. I'm far from a fan of Rush, but they do a credible job on this Who tune... they don't add any 11/8 sections or anything, and I'm honestly not sure if I wish they had or not (I mean, it is Rush, so...) What about the voice of Geddy Lee-- how did it get so high? He won't get to get what he's after 'til the day he dies. 14) Rock Notes (Monty Python). See, this is the bit about Rex Stardust, lead triangle player of Toad the Wet Sprocket (before there actually was a Toad the Wet Sprocket). Funny bit, good for quite a chuckle the fist time through the disc. (I am personally neither flamboyant nor ambidextrous, though.) 15) Sunday Shine (Ben Woolman). Another solo acoustic instrumental, very enjoyable. At the start there's a melody figure which reminds me of Neil Young's "Unknown Legend" but it moves into more intricate territory from there. We've rocked all we're going to, folks... from here on out it's wood music again. 16) Our Lady of the Highways, Live 2004 (John Wesley Harding, Dag Juhlin, Scott McCaughey): I haven't kept up with JWH but enjoyed his early records and his frequent concerts on campus back in th' day. This live version of a recent and unfamiliar-to-me song features verses sung by JWH, Juhlin (again) and the ubiquitous Scott McCaughey of YFF/Minus 5 fame. Another road song, and not a bad one at all. I know Michael was a big booster of this tour (the "all-male threesome") and it's cool that this disc reflects his current gig-going as well as home-listening tastes and experience. 17) Hawkmoth (Paul Curreri): This is pretty damned cool. Some very nice bouncy guitar pickin' frames a song which at first sounds like a more normal roots-folk tune than it is. Actually it's about, among other things, the moth of the title enjoying nectar for dinner and trying to negotiate his way out of being eaten by a bluejay. I think! Some other nifty turns of phrase along the way... it's a strange set of lyrics, but then so are the words to a lot of old mountain tunes, and these are not incongruous, just interesting and evocative. Wouldn't mind hearing more from this artist. 18) Round the Bend (Beck): A track from Sea Change, the fourth and final familiar-to-me tune to show up here. Something interesting happens to it in this context... Sea Change, as an album, is clearly deeply influenced by Nick Drake, but it seems to drift that way over time, with enough asides into other territory to feel more organic than ripped-off. On its own, though, this sounds so much like Drake that it might as well be a cover. For those who don't know it, it's a mournful acoustic ballad with a big orchestral backing (a little bigger than typical for Drake but still in that realm) taking care of that ambient-backing thing so prominent on this disc. Strangely, though I like this song less here than on its parent album, it makes me want to go back and listen to Sea Change, which I liked a good deal. 19) The River Part X (Ketil Bjornstad & David Darling): Changing out the acoustic guitar for piano, this instrumental still fits the prevailing mood of the compilation and makes for a good penultimate track. A subtle cello takes the duet role here. A nice atmospheric bridge between the previous track and the last one. 20) California Snow (Tom Russell): This takes us out of Fall and straight into Winter, appropriately enough. More sad acoustic music, and another character sketch, this of a lonely man who's loved and lost and appears to be a border guard in a remote location. The lyrics tread close to cornball in places, as can be the case with this type of tune-- reminds me somewhat of something Steve Earle might write, and is melodically similar to "Desolation Row" - -- but Russell's creakily-expressive old-school country-folk vocal (a little Haggard-like to my ears) wrings some real pathos out of it, and it ends up being quite touching. Overall, a nicely considered compilation-as-mood-piece record featuring a number of worthy finds... an evocative and rewarding listen every time I spin it. Kudos and thanks to Michael; good stuff all around. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #259 ********************************