From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #257 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 13 2004 Volume 13 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Robyn on Usenet ["The Mammal Brain" ] Re: Robyn Radio show ["Brian" ] Re: Shriekback [James Dignan ] Speaking of the Jazz Butcher ["Matt Sewell" ] robyn minneapolis tickets on sale wednesday [fingerpuppets ] Re: Canterbury [Michael R Godwin ] Robyn sighting / CDDB question ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Robyn sighting / CDDB question [Tom Clark ] RE: Canterbury ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Robyn's playlist ["Eb" ] RE: Robyn's playlist ["Eb" ] And don't forget that McCartney talked about Macs in "Penny Lane".... ["E] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:10:56 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Robyn on Usenet hey, i e-mailed a taper-friend earlier in the week, asking him if he'd taped the bumbershoot set, and if so could he upload it to alt.binaries.music.shn. didn't hear back from him, and still haven't. but *somebody* uploaded the show yesterday afternoon... vince, sorry to have missed you at the Two Bells. i had thought he was going to be there on saturday, not sunday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:06:57 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Robyn Radio show Thanks Captain! That's a good listen. On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:03:50 -0400, "fingerpuppets" said: > one time at band camp, Brian said: > >Yikes! I've erased the link that someone posted. > > > >Can someone tell me where to find the 30 minute radio show Robyn did > >last week? > > here's what roberta posted at the beginning of the week. this what you > looking for? > > >Robyn was on KEXP this past Saturday for about 30 minutes, playing live and > >talking with dj Quilty 3000. He performed "If You Know Time", "Full Moon In > >My Soul", a new song titled "Ole Tarantula" and the Beatles' "Happiness Is A > >Warm Gun". The show is archived for 2 weeks at > >http://www.kexp.org/streamarchive/streamarchive.asp. When you get to that > >page you can choose the date Sat, Sept 4 and the time 2 pm to listen. > > woj - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:48:24 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Shriekback >When Carl Marsh left, the band changed a lot. I like parts of Big Night >Music and (fewer) parts of Sacred City, but my feeling has largely been >that Barry Andrews wanted to become a goth icon for people who thought >Neil Gaiman was too intellectual. The thing that really puts me off Big Night Music (which I otherwise really like) is the drumming. It sounds like the drummer really wanted to be a cheap drum machine. I find it very difficult to believe that it was an actual human doing much of that work. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:59:00 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Speaking of the Jazz Butcher We went up to his monthly club at the Northampton Labour Club the other week - fantastic as usual, including a set from the man himself... setlist was Out Of Touch; My Desert; Southern Mark Smith; Real Men; John Cale song (don't know which); Theme from The Sopranos... If you're in the UK, these are well worth visiting - next month (1st Oct) they've got Gerard and Rodney from the Blue Aeroplanes headlining... Cheers Matt >From: James Dignan >Reply-To: James Dignan >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: RobynGadgetMomus >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:46:34 +1200 > >Miles asks: > >>Probably at the halfway point between them, but that still means >>it's very worthwhile, if not revelatory. Standout track is the >>James-cited "Beatles Zebra Crossing," which became the title track >>of one of my compilation tapes. >> >>(James, did you ever hear the Jazz Butcher's "When Eno Sings"?) > >no, I haven't... I shall hunt for it now - - easier since I've hooked >myself up to a (whisper it quietly) Gnutella-like piece of software >called LimeWire. > >James >-- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:25:50 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: robyn minneapolis tickets on sale wednesday Jonathan Richman featuring Tommy Larkins on IFrame MUST BE 21+ drums & Robyn Hitchcock [IMG] WITH VALID First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN ID Wed, Nov 3, 2004 06:00 PM JONATHAN RICHMAN Price Email this Event to a Internet Onsale Info FEATURING Friend Onsale to General Public: TOMMY Wed, 09/15/04 10:00 AM LARKINS US $10.00 Request Accessible ROBYN Seating HITCHCOCK FIRST AVENUE Doors open at 6:00 pm, showtime 7:00 pm. WED NOV 3 Special guests (subject to change) * Jesse Denatale * 2004 DOORS 6PM Tickets are currently not Sign up now! available online. Why? 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Listen to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/artists/city/canterbury.shtml Then activate doc_city_canterbury.ram It's 27' 33" long, I don't know how long it is available. The most direct Robyn link is via Peter Blegvad, who played at the 50th birthday concert: Not to mention Matching Mole: > I recently bought an original pressing of Matching Mole's "Little Red > Record" and it's always right next to or on the turntable. Wyatt was > such an underrated drummer. There was an interesting Robert Wyatt documentary on UKTV recently. He lives in a small Lincolnshire town and basically has his recording equipment and everything set up on the wheelchair-accessible ground floor. There were some fascinating snippets of a fairly recent live concert, featuring an excellent female trombonist. I can't remember the details, but it appeared to be very much a one-off. Jazzy but still whimsical. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Cream, Pressed Rat and Warthog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:38:35 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Robyn sighting / CDDB question A friend of mine just showed my a copy of a new magazine, and offshoot of MacWorld called "Playlist" devoted to the iPod and related topics. Pretty dorky concept, yes, but among the music reviewed and musicians interviewed was a fair amount of fegfriendly material... reviews included Paul Westerberg (the leadoff review), Glen Tilbrook, two pieces involving/by Joe Pernice, Bob Mould, Franz Ferdinand, and I forget who the hell else but a few other names which led me feeling this was disturbingly geared towards someone with tastes not unlike mine... particularly when suddenly they have Robyn himself contributing a playlist: http://playlistmag.com/playlists/2004/08/robhitch/index.php On the same Apple-related music tip, a CDDB question... talkin' the Gracenote/iTunes combo here. It's my understanding that the CDDB recognizes album predominantly by track running times, right? It's my experience that it recognized CDR copies of albums *unless* they've been copied through iTunes (presumably either due to compression or some form of copy protection that gets thrown on there in the copying process). Anyway, I get a lot of unrecognized discs (although a surprising amount of, erm, less than officially sanctioned recordings are recognized). Okay so far. Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" has never been on CD. So some time back I digitized my vinyl copy and made my own little CD of it. I never submitted track info on this version to the CDDB, and as far as I can remember-- and I'm pretty sure of this-- I never so much as leant it to anyone. In fact the only person I really ever exchange such items with is (A) not a Neil fan, especially, and (B) doesn't use any software that links to the CDDB, so there's that. And yet, when I put the disc in to another friend's computer, bang, up it comes, "Neil Young / Time Fades Away", with the proper track list and everything. So does that mean someone else ripped and burned this puppy from vinyl *to my exact specs*? That seems unlikely, especially since this is a live album and my version doubtless features some arbitrary decisions as to how to divvy up the tracks, tail off the fades at the end of the sides, that kind of thing, to say nothing of the vagaries of the unique qualities of my used vinyl copy, the speed of my old-ass turntable or the rate of the power coming out of my wall, and whatever compression might have resulted from the digitizing, outputting, and burning processes. Does this seem as odd to anyone else as it does to me? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:48:41 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Canterbury >>There were some fascinating snippets of a fairly >>recent live concert,featuring an excellent female >>trombonist. Oh my. Having just gone back into the market for band names yet again, I must say... Excellent Female Trombonist... I can see it... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robyn sighting / CDDB question On Sep 13, 2004, at 10:38 AM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > On the same Apple-related music tip, a CDDB question... talkin' the > Gracenote/iTunes combo here. > > It's my understanding that the CDDB recognizes album predominantly by > track running times, right? It's my experience that it recognized CDR > copies of albums *unless* they've been copied through iTunes > (presumably either due to compression or some form of copy protection > that gets thrown on there in the copying process). Anyway, I get a > lot of unrecognized discs (although a surprising amount of, erm, less > than officially sanctioned recordings are recognized). Okay so far. > > Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" has never been on CD. So some time > back I digitized my vinyl copy and made my own little CD of it. I > never submitted track info on this version to the CDDB, and as far as > I can remember-- and I'm pretty sure of this-- I never so much as > leant it to anyone. In fact the only person I really ever exchange > such items with is (A) not a Neil fan, especially, and (B) doesn't use > any software that links to the CDDB, so there's that. And yet, when I > put the disc in to another friend's computer, bang, up it comes, "Neil > Young / Time Fades Away", with the proper track list and everything. > > So does that mean someone else ripped and burned this puppy from vinyl > *to my exact specs*? That seems unlikely, especially since this is a > live album and my version doubtless features some arbitrary decisions > as to how to divvy up the tracks, tail off the fades at the end of the > sides, that kind of thing, to say nothing of the vagaries of the > unique qualities of my used vinyl copy, the speed of my old-ass > turntable or the rate of the power coming out of my wall, and whatever > compression might have resulted from the digitizing, outputting, and > burning processes. Does this seem as odd to anyone else as it does to > me? > The exact algorithm used by CDDB is of course proprietary, but it's widely accepted that the CDs table of contents (TOC) is the primary piece of data used to determine uniqueness. Perhaps the number of tracks and the total running time could be a fallback if the individual track times don't turn up any hits. Since GraceNote generates revenue from their service, I'm sure they're under pressure to make it better, e.g., fixing spelling mistakes. That said, they could be employing other types of recognition technology. One such technology that could totally explain your situation is one by Audible Magic. They actually analyze the waveform of certain bits of the song and keep a database of songs and albums. I saw a demo where they used this to display the real time play list of a local classic rock radio station. SCIENCE! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:29:06 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Canterbury >>There were some fascinating snippets of a fairly >>recent live concert,featuring an excellent female >>trombonist. Rex came back with: >Oh my. >Having just gone back into the market for band names yet again, I must say... Excellent Female >Trombonist... I can see it... Excellent Female Saxophonist.... Mindi Abair. Also heard another last night on "Jazz Beat" on CBC Radio 2 from Canada, Christine Jensen. Michael B. NP Neu! - Neu! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:19:47 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist 5 It's a Family Affair Sly & The Family Stone The Essential Sly & The Family Stone Robyn digs Sly? Huh. 8 Dumb Waiters The Psychedelic Furs Talk Talk Talk (Expanded Version) 9 Lately I've Let Things Slide Nick Lowe The Convincer Anyone have anything to say about these tracks? I've never heard 'em. Eb PS As of yesterday afternoon, I am no longer the only "film buff" on Earth who has never seen Casablanca. Ehh, I'd give it a B+, I guess.... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:07:22 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist OK...now I feel less ashamed. ;) Citizen Kane is NOT overrated, btw. Eb - -----Original Message----- From: John Barrington Jones [mailto:jbjones@pdx.edu] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:40 AM To: Eb Subject: RE: Robyn's playlist > PS As of yesterday afternoon, I am no longer the only "film buff" on Earth > who has never seen Casablanca. Ehh, I'd give it a B+, I guess.... ;) Don't feel bad, Eric. I still haven't seen "Citizen Kane". =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:19:26 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: And don't forget that McCartney talked about Macs in "Penny Lane".... INSIDE MOVES - Beatles' suit could upset the Apple cart GORDON MASSON, 09.13.04, 11:50 AM ET http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/general/2004/09/13/ generalcahners_2004_09_13_eng-cahners_dv_eng- cahners_dv_013640_859891589053994060.html LONDON --- Beatles fan Steve Jobs could lose a large bite of his Apple to his idols. The Beatles' company, Apple Corps., is involved in a legal battle with Jobs' Apple Computer, claiming the hardware manufacturer is in breach of a 1991 agreement that that forbids it from using the trademark for any application "whose principle content is music." The two companies have been involved in a number of court battles over the years involving the use of the Apple trademark. Word among the legal community is that an out of court settlement could be imminent and that it will massively dwarf the $26.5 million paid to the Fab Four's company in 1991 in a row over trademark use. One lawyer told Daily Variety, "People are expecting this to be the biggest settlement anywhere in legal history, outside of a class action suit. The numbers could be mind boggling." Earlier this year, the computer company failed in a bid to have the latest case heard in the United States, when a judge in London's High Court in London granted jurisdiction in the U.K. The litigation is seen as one of the main reasons behind Apple Corps. preventing the Beatles catalog of songs being made available on the computer company's iTunes song store. Some speculation suggests the settlement could see Apple Corps. becoming a major shareholder in the computer company, with Paul McCartney maybe even becoming a board member. Lord Grabiner and Daniel Toledano are acting for Apple Computer, while Geoffrey Vos and Daniel Alexander are representing Apple Corps. Despite splitting in 1970, the Beatles interests are still administered by Apple Corps., which is owned by McCartney, Ringo Starr and the families of John Lennon and George Harrison. An Apple Computer rep declined to comment on the pending litigation and pointed to an earlier statement that said the two companies have "differeing interpretations" of the agreement. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #257 ********************************