From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #254 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 10 2004 Volume 13 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance [Barbara Soutar ] torrent: RHE Lisner 6-14-89 ["Roberta Cowan" ] Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Soft Machine ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Invincible Synthcock ["Fortissimo" ] Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Invincible Synthcock ["Brian" ] RE: woofers/ the tyranny of distance ["Eb" ] Incredibly stupid but very important question! ["Rex.Broome" ] RobynGadgetMomus [Miles Goosens ] Re: Incredibly stupid but very important question! [Ken Weingold ] un-REAP? ["Maximilian Lang" ] re: RobynGadgetMomus (0%) ["Michael Wells" ] REAP ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:51:07 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance "AFAIK, he's never performed within 3000 miles of me" said James Dignan. Oh dear, in my kvetching I was forgetting the really far away Fegs. Realistically, I could have travelled down to Seattle to see Robyn, but that would involve a ferry boat ride and money for hotels and gee, we need a new kitchen floor more than anything. Right now we can view several eras of linoleum, it's like an archeological dig in there. So it's more of a thing where it would be very handy if Robyn came here but unlikely. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:38:29 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Shriekback > >(I recommend almost 50% of GO BANG! which can be picked up very > >inexpensively.) > >I agree, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone start with it. a much maligned album. Not their best by a long way, but some very good moments ("Shark walk" for one). But yeah - not the best place to start. >By the way, their Sacred City album from the early 90's is excellent-- >far closer to the Oil And Gold level of quality than the Go Bang level. and containing the best "post-modern-archaeology" song I know - "Beatles Zebra Crossing". AFAIK, nothing has been released in NZ since that album, although I do know of one subsequent release ("Naked apes and pond-life") Anyone care to give me a run-down on what they've been doing (together or separately) since Sacred City? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:30:29 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: torrent: RHE Lisner 6-14-89 Yikes! Another great one--I knew there was a reason I cleaned a bunch of space off my hard drive. I think many of the people in the audience have remained big fans.. :-) Roberta Robyn Hitchcock & Egyptians Lisner Auditorium Washington DC June 14, 1989 http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=5304 WHFS FM->cassette master (TDK SA 90, Dolby B)->DAT (41kHz) -> SHN (632MB) Cassette master recorded by MR, transfered to DAT by MR, sometime prior to Dec. 1996 (probably several years, actually). Transferred from DAT to SHN by TN, September, 2004. Minor editing to remove station IDs. No fade out/in between discs. Disc 1 (49:18): 1. I Often Dream of Trains 2. Superman 3. Bass 4. Swirling 5. Freeze 6. My Wife & My Dead Wife 7. Tropical Flesh Mandala 8. I'm Only You 9. Rising Twilight Coast 10. Veins of the Queen 11. Madonna of the Wasps (with spoken intro) Disc 2 (35:22): 1. Ted, Woody & Junior 2. Unsettled 3. Goodnight I Say 4. I Got a Message for You 5. Balloon Man 6. Kingdom of Love 7. Raymond Chandler Evening 8. Listening to the Higsons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" Rex Broome wrote: > Jeff Dwarf: > > I've only listened to it a couple times and it's pretty > > good. It's not as good _Woodface_ and it has a more > > subdued mood, but it's a pretty nice little record. > > Huh, interesting. The live presentation and the tracks > I've heard led me to believe it would be more expansive > sound-wise than the first Finn Bros. record... that one > is certainly subdued, but I love it to death. It does have a broader palette of sounds than _Finn;_ it's just mellower and calmer than _Woodface_ is. I still don't like "Edible Flowers" very much though. ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:41:57 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Soft Machine > From: Michael R Godwin > > Good man, Gene. Do you know the excellent Giogio Gomelsky-produced demo > album with Daevid Allen still in the band? Nope, thanks for the tip. I thank you, and my pocketbook does not ;-). How is the Wilde Flowers stuff? I almost bought an Ayers CD recently, but it was one of those copy-protected jobbies so I declined. But I recently bought an original pressing of Matching Mole's "Little Red Record" and it's always right next to or on the turntable. Wyatt was such an underrated drummer. You folks do know that Wyatt sings on Bjork's new record, "Medulla," right? Good, I thought so. > Essential listening if you like the Ayers/Wyatt "crazed" Softs as > opposed > to the Hopper/Ratledge "aimless" Softs. Well, Soft Machine 4 is what got me started on them, but I find I like the earlier, more pysch-sounding stuff more. The more I hear, the more I like. I love it when that happens. NP: Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:56:44 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Invincible Synthcock On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT), "Miles Goosens" said: > FWIW, I'll see your Tovey and raise you a Momus, who for some reason I > love, even though he can be more showy than Tovey and certainly far more > self-conscious about the artifice. Given Nuppy's stated tastes, I'll say > THE POISON BOYFRIEND, PING-PONG, and my favorite, THE PHILOSOPHY OF > MOMUS. But be warned, he's usually a love him or hate him sorta artist. I've been slowly getting more into Momus over the past few years - not least thanks to a fine compilation Miles sent me. At first, he was definitely in the "better in theory than practice" category - if nothing else, he's a fine essayist and theorist (www.imomus.com). But gradually, it's become clearer to me where he's coming from musically, and I've been slowly but steadily beefing up my Momus collection. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:24:20 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:51:07 -0400, "Barbara Soutar" said: > Realistically, I could have travelled down to Seattle to see Robyn, but > that would involve a ferry boat ride and money for hotels and gee, we > need a new kitchen floor more than anything. Right now we can view > several eras of linoleum, it's like an archeological dig in there. So > it's more of a thing where it would be very handy if Robyn came here but > unlikely. So Robyn does floors now? Talented man, that Hitchcock fella... (See Our Patented "Egyptian Cream" Finish!) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:55:33 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Invincible Synthcock Rex and then Miles: > >Now here comes something weird: I'm about to suggest that > >Nuppy check out a band whose music I barely know at all: it > >sounds to me like you might be interested in Fad Gadget. Miles: > I may slightly disappoint here. I own several Fad Gadget cassettes, > thanks to a closeout at a Camelot in the early '90s where I picked them > up for something like a quarter each, and I also have a couple of Frank > Tovey CDs, but I can't clame thorough knowledge of any of them. I liked > them overall, or I wouldn't have invested in the Tovey CDs, but there was > also something a wee bit stiff and at times mannered, stagey, about the > proceedings. But since Nuppy is a huge Monochrome Set fan, I think those > qualities may not bug him as much as they sometimes bug me, and some of > what I recall was quite compelling stuff. I wouldn't have thought Robyn > as a vocal comparison, but then again it's been several years since I > listened to any of it. Actually, FG/Tovey has sort of been filed in my > head in the "should listen further" section for years, so this makes me > want to listen to 'em again. So consider this a cautious (but not overly > cautious) recommendation. Interesting. One of my thrift store find earlier this summer was Frank Tovey's Snakes and Ladders. From the cover and back cover I thought it would be more spagetti western w/ ethnic instruments. Boy, was I wrong! I liked the lyrics on the insert too. But on 1st listen I was disappointed. Now since Rex mentions him again, I've dug it out and listened. Better the 2nd time around, but it won't be in heavy rotation! He does use guitar sometimes and this is good. Is Fad Gadget anything like this? On that same thrift store find I found a couple of Fashion albums. > FWIW, I'll see your Tovey and raise you a Momus, who for some reason I > love, even though he can be more showy than Tovey and certainly far more > self-conscious about the artifice. Given Nuppy's stated tastes, I'll say > THE POISON BOYFRIEND, PING-PONG, and my favorite, THE PHILOSOPHY OF > MOMUS. But be warned, he's usually a love him or hate him sorta artist. I have Momus "The Ultraconformist" and I like it. Definately want to explore more of him. He seems like an expensive taste. I received the Thomas Leer cd yesterday. Private Plane and International (both from 1978) are the best tracks and there's nothing else with that 'feel' on there. I'll have to listen a little more as too absorb it all. One of the Shriekback comps is on my 'to get' list. Also, some early early Thomas Dolby (pre-GAoW). Thomas and Matthew Seligman did a handful of singles and 12" I'll someday get. Thanks for the suggestions and keep 'em coming! - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:23:37 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Invincible Synthcock I said: > I have Momus "The Ultraconformist" and I like it. Definately want to > explore more of him. He seems like an expensive taste. I stand corrected. I just purchased PING PONG for $4.99. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:56:56 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: woofers/ the tyranny of distance Just remember that gNat recently traveled 160 miles to see the Pixies. Let that lesson be inspirational to us all. ;) Item: I shall be in a really foul mood, until further notice. Eb - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Soutar Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:51 PM To: Fegmaniax Subject: Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance Oh dear, in my kvetching I was forgetting the really far away Fegs. Realistically, I could have travelled down to Seattle to see Robyn, but that would involve a ferry boat ride and money for hotels and gee, we need a new kitchen floor more than anything. Right now we can view several eras of linoleum, it's like an archeological dig in there. So it's more of a thing where it would be very handy if Robyn came here but unlikely. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:46:14 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Incredibly stupid but very important question! So, how do you learn to sing? Like, how do you learn to sing and not sound shitty? Because I have to (and should specify do actually want to) be the singer in my band now, and the guys are totally cool with it and encouraging and showing no signs of sacking me or anything*, but my voice just ain't cutting it for my own purposes. The idea of voice lessons doesn't much appeal-- seems like it would be hard to find anyone who could "teach" rock 'n' roll singing, and harder still to find someone who'd teach you how to sing rock 'n' roll that I don't think sucks, but I could be wrong. And I know the general thing is to "work with what you've got" and "play to your strengths", but so far the only way I've come up with to work with what I've got... doesn't seem to be the right way. How does one go about establishing a whole new vocal quality? Am I screwed? It seems like I shouldn't be... my speaking voice is almost identical to my dad's, and he got paid to sing for a few decades there. So... any advice? (Admittedly, if I'd been paying attention to the idea of my, or anyone's, vocal range when I wrote all these songs, I'd be at a better starting point, but it's a bit late in the game for that.) On the other end of the band thing, for those who are keeping score, the winner in the Who Wants to Be Rex's New Amp Sweepstakes was: new Fender Hot Rod DeVille 212, with which I am mightily pleased. The old Twin Reverb's getting rehabbed at the same time, so I'll have that, but the DeVille is suiting my needs very nicely right now. Simple, tubey, and variably pretty/gritty.** - -Rex *this may just possibly be because I wrote all the lyrics and nobody else wants to have to learn them... **although if anyone has a tremolo pedal they're willing to part with, let me know... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:07:03 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid but very important question! On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:46:14 -0700, "Rex.Broome" said: > So, how do you learn to sing? > > Like, how do you learn to sing and not sound shitty? > > Because I have to (and should specify do actually want to) be the singer > in my band now, and the guys are totally cool with it and encouraging and > showing no signs of sacking me or anything*, but my voice just ain't > cutting it for my own purposes. > > The idea of voice lessons doesn't much appeal-- seems like it would be > hard to find anyone who could "teach" rock 'n' roll singing, and harder > still to find someone who'd teach you how to sing rock 'n' roll that I > don't think sucks, but I could be wrong. > > And I know the general thing is to "work with what you've got" and "play > to your strengths", but so far the only way I've come up with to work > with what I've got... doesn't seem to be the right way. How does one go > about establishing a whole new vocal quality? Am I screwed? It seems > like I shouldn't be... my speaking voice is almost identical to my dad's, > and he got paid to sing for a few decades there. So... any advice? As some of you know, I'm probably the very last person who should be answering this question. However, that's never stopped me before, so no reason it should this time, right? Anycow: The thing about voice lessons is that they don't give you a voice; they give you technique on how to use the voice you have. Things like supporting your vocal tone, not injuring yourself, breath control, etc., will be useful even if you don't want a traditionally "trained" voice. I think you live in a sizable city... ;) - I'm sure there are voice coaches who understand what a rock vocalist wants, and not only a Robert Plant rock vocalist, either. The other issue is, what's the issue? Are you worried about your pitch? tone? phrasing? power? control? Also: warm yourself up properly. Hardly anyone sounds good just going "And now I will sing 'MacArthur Park' in its entirety." (Again - vocal coaches - or even books from the liberry - can help you here.) I think the other thing probably is: record yourself, because people's voices don't sound like they think they do. Get used to what ranges you're most comfortable in (both physically, and in terms of your music). Pay attention to what sounds most irk you when you sing. Are there certain vowels or consonants that fuck you up? Can you sing them differently, and get used to doing so in more sonically pleasing ways? Probably also talking to real singers and their advice is a good idea - unless they're Tom Waits, who'll probably tell you to gargle with a 50/50 concrete/Wild Turkey mix and smoke unfiltered cigarets 24 hours a day. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:13:51 -0700 From: "Catherine Simpson" Subject: RE: Incredibly stupid but very important question! The illustrious Rex Broome inquired "So, how do you learn to sing? Like, how do you learn to sing and not sound shitty?" Rex, I haven't posted in ages, but since my degree is in vocal performance, I felt compelled to try to help you out with this one ;) If you're willing to put in a little time and effort to actually "train" your voice (yes, rock/folk singing takes training, too!), I can recommend a couple of things. First, if you can find it, there's a book called "The Phenomena of the Belt/Pop Voice" by Jan Sullivan. Even though the technique in the book is mostly geared toward "Broadway" style singers, it will also teach you how to use your voice without killing your vocal chords. It would be helpful more in terms of technique, rather than style. I studied voice with Jan years ago, and studied this particular "belt/pop" technique. Also, take a look at www.sethriggs.com. Seth is a great, world-renowned vocal coach. He's taught everything from opera to rock using a technique called "Speech Level Singing". As his website points out: "Speech-level singing is a way of using your voice that allows you to sing freely and clearly anywhere in your range, with all your words clearly understood. Since you are not learning what to sing but rather how to sing, you can apply this technique to any type of music". I did a masterclass with him years ago, and he was phenomenal. I would highly recommend his books and videos. Hope this helps, Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:35 -0700 From: "Randalljr" Subject: Re: woofers/ the tyranny of distance - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eb" To: "Fgz" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:56 AM > Item: I shall be in a really foul mood, until further notice. > > Eb Interesting. I thought I could ask you about Rush, and what Geddy, Alex, and Neil have meant to you over the years: ) Or, we could talk about how I, the lonely drunk Injun, sat at a table with Robyn the other night. BTW, his wife is not only beautiful, but stunning. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:36:05 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Incredibly stupid but very important question! Jeff wrote: >Probably also talking to real singers and their advice is a good idea - >unless they're Tom Waits, who'll probably tell you to gargle with a >50/50 concrete/Wild Turkey mix and smoke unfiltered cigarets 24 hours a >day. One thing I always wondered was, what happened to Lou Reed's singing voice? Was it the booze and cigarettes? Improper singing techniques? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:40:46 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: RE: woofers/ the tyranny of distance Poking fun at Rush would make me feel better, not worse. I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Robyn's wife (Michelle?). Photo link? Flabby and misanthropic, Eb - -----Original Message----- Interesting. I thought I could ask you about Rush, and what Geddy, Alex, and Neil have meant to you over the years: ) Or, we could talk about how I, the lonely drunk Injun, sat at a table with Robyn the other night. BTW, his wife is not only beautiful, but stunning. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:00:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RobynGadgetMomus Just remembered that "Partyline" is the other JAM SCIENCE song that AFAIK hasn't been on CD. Jon Lewis on Shriekback: >By the way, their Sacred City album from the early 90's is excellent-- >far closer to the Oil And Gold level of quality than the Go Bang level. Probably at the halfway point between them, but that still means it's very worthwhile, if not revelatory. Standout track is the James-cited "Beatles Zebra Crossing," which became the title track of one of my compilation tapes. (James, did you ever hear the Jazz Butcher's "When Eno Sings"?) > I've only listened to >the reunion album, Naked Apes And Pond Life, a couple of times since >finding it used, but my initial impressions were very positive. I like this one lots. It restores some of the weirdness and mystery that I thought were largely on hiatus for GO BANG and SACRED CITY. >Jon Lewis >(whose principal motivation is a special secretion from a secret gland) I'm going to employ the "secret gland secretion made me do it" defense when the cops pick me up for writing on walls of dance. Jeff on Momus: >I've been slowly getting more into Momus over the past few years - not >least thanks to a fine compilation Miles sent me. At first, he was >definitely in the "better in theory than practice" category - if nothing >else, he's a fine essayist and theorist (www.imomus.com). But gradually, >it's become clearer to me where he's coming from musically, This of course warms the cockles of my cold, shrivelled heart. Nuppy: >I have Momus "The Ultraconformist" and I like it. Definately want to >explore more of him. That's one of the few that I've had trouble getting into! It's also not represented at all on my homebrew double-disc best-of that Jeff mentions above. Though IIRC, it was one of fellow Momus fantatic Susan Dodge's favorites. I'm glad that you've got one and like it already -- it makes me feel like my Momus recommendation is more prescient than errant. >He seems like an expensive taste. Well, you've just discovered otherwise but I was about to suggest that the stuff from the last 7-8 years is all pretty easy to get still -- 20 VODKA JELLIES, PING PONG, THE LITTLE RED SONGBOOK, STARS FOREVER, OSKAR TENNIS CHAMPION (which I didn't like for the most part). I don't have SUMMERISLE yet. Luckily for me, when I got into Momus in '98-'99, I was able to secure the entire catalog at still-in-print and reasonable prices. The only thing I've paid a slight premium for was the original HIPPOPOTOMOMUS (with an undeleted "Michelin Man"), but that only ran me $30 or so. And I don't think the bulk of the Momus collection costs too much even now. Looking at recently closed eBay auctions for Momus CDs: CIRCUS MAXIMUS (1986): $8 HIPPOPOTOMOMUS (1991, the more common edition that doesn't include "Michelin Man"): $12 VOYAGER (1992): $13 THE PHILOSOPHY OF MOMUS (1995): $6 SLENDER SHERBET (1995): $10 THE LITTLE RED SONGBOOK (1998): $5.99 A Japanese CD of TENDER PERVERT went for $26.99, but I don't know if that's because of general unavailability of the album in general, or something special about this edition. Anyway, it looks like that you don't have to break too many piggy banks to load up on Momus discs. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:54:12 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid but very important question! Listen to the isolated vocals of Linda McCartney that Howard Stern did. And don't do that. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:55:00 -0700 From: Vendren Subject: Re: RobynGadgetMomus From: "Miles Goosens" > (James, did you ever hear the Jazz Butcher's "When Eno Sings"?) I just have to mention, since the song came up, that that song has about the best rock drumming I've ever heard. The "Illuminate" CD, if you can find it, is one of the Butcher's best. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:36:21 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: un-REAP? Sharing the Groove? Max _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:30:41 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: re: RobynGadgetMomus (0%) Eb: > Flabby and misanthropic, Sounds like you need to listen to more Rush. Palle, re Jazz Butchery: > I just have to mention, since the song came up, that that song has about the best rock drumming I've ever heard. Sounds like you need to listen to more Rush. Michael "I sense a theme here" Wells Ps. no Robyn date for Detroit on the Sunday yet, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:01:36 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: REAP Did anyone catch this last week from September, 02? Donald Leslie; creator of the Leslie keyboard speaker; 93 Michael B. NP Dave Brubeck Quartet - Park Avenue South ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #254 ********************************