From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #253 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 9 2004 Volume 13 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Robyn in Seattle [Jon Lewis ] RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Soft Machine [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Soft Machine [Tom Clark ] consulting the globe of fegs [Miles Goosens ] Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" ["Rex Broome" ] Re: consulting the globe of fegs [Miles Goosens ] Robyn Philly show tix ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: consulting the globe of fegs [Miles Goosens ] Re: Shriekback, RobynSynth [Jon Lewis ] Invincible Synthcock ["Rex Broome" ] Re: Invincible Synthcock [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:53:08 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Robyn in Seattle >>Clothesline Slumbers (?) I think this must be Clothesline Saga, from Dylan's Basement Tapes, seeing as how it precedes another Basement Tapes cover, Odds And Ends. And man, Clothesline Saga is sure one Dylan song I wish I'd seen Robyn do. One of my fave Basement Tapes tracks for sure. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:49:31 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th >From: fingerpuppets >Subject: robyn in scranton: november 11th >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:21:12 -0400 >http://www.summerstepsmusicseries.com/SummerstepsMusicSeries.html >Welcome to the official website of >The Summersteps Music Series! >at The Scranton Cultural Center 420 N. Washington Ave. Scranton, Pa Why do I get the feeling that Philly is gonna get snubbed again? Max _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:12:17 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th one time at band camp, Maximilian Lang said: >Why do I get the feeling that Philly is gonna get snubbed again? what are you talking about? he's at world cafe live in philly on november 15th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:29:34 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th >From: fingerpuppets >Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:12:17 -0400 >one time at band camp, Maximilian Lang said: >>Why do I get the feeling that Philly is gonna get snubbed again? >what are you talking about? he's at world cafe live in philly on november >15th. Yes, I know but that is seldom if ever in front of an audience. It may indicate that he will be in Philly sometime between Pittsburgh and Scranton though. The Soft Boys were on the World Cafe and never did a Philly show on that tour but did do three shows in the greater NYC. I am still holding out hope for a show I don't have to drive 2+ hours for but I have come to expect it for the last 3 years. I am happy that I will be going to at least three shows(maybe 5) in the month of November but I would like to go to one that does not require me to take vacation time. I know, I am whining a bit and I am sorry for that. Some people never get the chance to see him and that really sucks. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:39:41 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th >From: fingerpuppets >Subject: RE: robyn in scranton: november 11th >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:12:17 -0400 >what are you talking about? he's at world cafe live in philly on november >15th. I apologize, when did World Cafe become a venue? I don't see him listed on .www.worldcafe.com though. I'll go away now, Max _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:33:32 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: woofers/the tyranny of distance > >Aha! You are correct. Mr. Crash Test Dummy has the deepest voice ever. > >Ten years ago, I heard it in person when the Commonweath Games were held > >in Victoria, and they performed in front of the Legislature. My main > >memories: almost being crushed at the free concert and feeling the > >reverberations of that bass voice in my stomach. See? I'm a loyal > >Canadian after all. > > Regarding deep voices, the lead singer for Liebach has a pretty deep >one as well. as has the lead singer of virtually-unknown-outside-Australia band Porcelain Bus. >Am I the only one who has never seen Robyn Hitchcock perform? And will >he ever make it to Victoria... AFAIK, he's never performed within 3000 miles of me :( James (who has yet to hear either the Finn brothers new album or the new John Cale, but has heard very good things about both) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com wrote: > I heard a cut yesterday from the above and ordered it > today. Did anyone pick it up yet? I hope it's as good as > Woodface. I've only listened to it a couple times and it's pretty good. It's not as good _Woodface_ and it has a more subdued mood, but it's a pretty nice little record. ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:16:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Soft Machine > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:52:19 -0500 > From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." > Subject: Re: Progressive Rock Music in England: 1965-1975 > Who's giving the lectures, Steve Hillage? > I'd take this course in a heartbeat. I can't stop listening to The Soft > Machine's first LP recently. Good man, Gene. Do you know the excellent Giogio Gomelsky-produced demo album with Daevid Allen still in the band? Essential listening if you like the Ayers/Wyatt "crazed" Softs as opposed to the Hopper/Ratledge "aimless" Softs. It's also well worth picking up "Shooting at the Moon" by Kevin Ayers and the Whole World - although Lol Coxhill once told me that the sessions included some much better improvisations than the "Pisser dans un violon" stuff on the record. Maybe the CD with bonus tracks features some more instrumentals, but looking at the track list: From: Barbara Soutar > Am I the only one who has never seen Robyn Hitchcock perform? And will > he ever make it to Victoria... Um... Hi James! - - Mike Godwin PS Any news of those promised south of England gigs yet? n.p. Kevin Ayers "Song from the bottom of a well" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:35:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Soft Machine On Sep 8, 2004, at 6:16 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > It's also well worth picking up "Shooting at the Moon" by Kevin Ayers > and > the Whole World - although Lol Coxhill once told me that the sessions > included some much better improvisations than the "Pisser dans un > violon" > stuff on the record. Maybe the CD with bonus tracks features some more > instrumentals, but looking at the track list: > > I suspect that 'Puis-je?' is just 'May I?' in Fr. Yes, it is. And it's one of the most sublime compositions I've ever heard. Singing it in French lifts it way up above the English original. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:41:27 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: consulting the globe of fegs An earlier version of this appeared on Loud-Fans, but no one's been able to answer, so here goes... The other night, Melissa and I revisited a time and place lost in distant memory, a time today's youth would deem inconceivable: When Robin Williams was funny. She'd never seen MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON, so I rented a copy through Netflix. If you're fond of this film, you might pin your hopes on a widescreen edition; this'un was ye olde pan and scan (though there is a Paul Mazursky commentary track). Anyway, here's my question for the crowd, after exhausting my web search abilities trying to come up with an answer: For years, I remembered a scene where the Russian emigre went to a grocery store and spied a box of Kotex New Freedom. "New Freedom!" he exclaimed. He bought a box to celebrate his new freedom, and this (the early '80s) being the heyday of headbands and wristbands, he proceeded to wear his New Freedom as a headband while playing basketball, much to the dismay of his friends. The "new freedom" scenes were *not* on the DVD we watched last night. So, did Kotex have the scenes pulled for posterity, or (more likely) am I running MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON together with a second '80s Russian emigre fish-out-of-water comedy? Hollywood tends to greenlight more than one of the same sort of film at a time, like the three "save the farm" movies of 1984 or the three "teen science" movies of '85, the dueling volcano and asteroid movies of more recent years, etc. etc., so this is certainly possible. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:34:39 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Finn Brothers -"Everyone Is Here" Jeff Dwarf: > I've only listened to it a couple times and it's pretty > good. It's not as good _Woodface_ and it has a more subdued > mood, but it's a pretty nice little record. Huh, interesting. The live presentation and the tracks I've heard led me to believe it would be more expansive sound-wise than the first Finn Bros. record... that one is certainly subdued, but I love it to death. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: consulting the globe of fegs On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > For years, I remembered a scene where the Russian emigre went to a > grocery store and spied a box of Kotex New Freedom. "New Freedom!" he > exclaimed. He bought a box to celebrate his new freedom, and this > (the early '80s) being the heyday of headbands and wristbands, he > proceeded to wear his New Freedom as a headband while playing > basketball, much to the dismay of his friends. > > The "new freedom" scenes were *not* on the DVD we watched last night. > > So, did Kotex have the scenes pulled for posterity, or (more likely) > am I running MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON together with a second '80s Russian > emigre fish-out-of-water comedy? Neither, probably. I am almost positive that I remember seeing a stand-up comedian, possibly that Yakov Smirnoff guy, doing the above routine on TV sometime in the 80s. I guess it could also have been in a movie, but if so, then either the comedian I saw or the movie's makers would have been plagiarizing pretty blatantly. - --Chris (who has never seen Moscow on the Hudson) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:18:07 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: consulting the globe of fegs At 02:46 PM 9/8/2004 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: >>The "new freedom" scenes were *not* on the DVD we watched last night. >> >> So, did Kotex have the scenes pulled for posterity, or (more likely) >> am I running MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON together with a second '80s Russian >> emigre fish-out-of-water comedy? > >Neither, probably. I am almost positive that I remember seeing a stand-up >comedian, possibly that Yakov Smirnoff guy, doing the above routine on TV >sometime in the 80s. I guess it could also have been in a movie, but if >so, then either the comedian I saw or the movie's makers would have been >plagiarizing pretty blatantly. I remember them as filmed scenes rather than as stand-up. Not that it couldn't have been Smirnoff or inspired/ripped off from his stand-up, but I remember the guy actually being in the grocery store, then the basketball scene later, fully acted out. Another candidate: Billy Crystal had that MIDNIGHT TRAIN TO MOSCOW HBO special in the late '80s; I remember it being mostly stand-up, but IIRC, there were some filmed sketches intercut with it, so maybe the bit I'm remembering was one of those. Smirnoff actually has a bit part in MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:04:58 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: consulting the globe of fegs Miles wrote: >Smirnoff actually has a bit part in MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON. He is doing Branson, Missouri shows these days. My parental units are going to see him as part of a senior bus tour trip to Branson next week. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:22:12 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: RE: consulting the globe of fegs > >Smirnoff actually has a bit part in MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON. > > He is doing Branson, Missouri shows these days. My > parental units are going to see him as part of a senior > bus tour trip to Branson next week. What a country, huh? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:24:15 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Robyn Philly show tix have just put the tickets up for sale. Thanks to Woj's response to my email last night I didn't totally miss it. It is a seated venue so the earlier you order(for the three Delaware Valley Fegs)the better your seats will be. The site lets you pick the section of the veue by clicking on the seating chart. And yes, I am going to Scranton too! Yee Haa, Max _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:45:57 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: consulting the globe of fegs At 02:22 PM 9/8/2004 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: >> >Smirnoff actually has a bit part in MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON. >> >> He is doing Branson, Missouri shows these days. My >> parental units are going to see him as part of a senior >> bus tour trip to Branson next week. > >What a country, huh? In Soviet Union, bus tours YOU! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:58:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Shriekback, RobynSynth Hollie: >OIL AND GOLD is still available, but BIG NIGHT MUSIC has been out-of-print >long enough that it is going for $40 a copy on Amazon. Ooops. I didn't mean to mislead anyone; I guess the last time I looked at a Shriekback divider (about the time THE Y RECORDS YEARS came out, I guess), a new copy of BIG NIGHT MUSIC was sitting there. I had no idea it had bitten the dust. >(I recommend almost 50% of GO BANG! which can be picked up very >inexpensively.) I agree, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone start with it. Brian follows up his original query: >I've listened to snippets of early Human League and it seems too >"Synth". There is only keyboard. More of what I'm looking for is human >merging into machine sound, where as this stuff is mostly machine. I >want more of a blend. Hmm... I'll stick with the Wire recommendations, then, though you may want more machine! >I've been trying to find snippets of Shriekback, but most the good stuff >is unavailable/expensive or not there to listen to. It seems their 1st 2 >albums are the best, and sadly not on cd. Where's this consensus coming from? On what strange planet is OIL AND GOLD (album #3) not one of their two best? Anyway, if you can find THE Y RECORDS YEARS (which I think you still can for under $15), that double-disc anthology has, I think, close to everything on the TENCH EP and CARE. And almost all of JAM SCIENCE can be found strewn across PRIESTS AND KANIBALS and NATURAL HISTORY (or NATURAL HISTORY's component parts, the previously separately-released THE INFINITE and EVOLUTION), along with considerable portions of TENCH and CARE. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:41:17 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Shriekback, RobynSynth On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, at 06:58 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Hollie: >> OIL AND GOLD is still available, but BIG NIGHT MUSIC has been >> out-of-print >> long enough that it is going for $40 a copy on Amazon. > > Ooops. I didn't mean to mislead anyone; I guess the last time I > looked at a Shriekback divider (about the time THE Y RECORDS YEARS > came out, I guess), a new copy of BIG NIGHT MUSIC was sitting there. > I had no idea it had bitten the dust. > In brick-and-mortar land, BNM turns up pretty regularly in used bins. Keep your eyes peeled and you'll come across one. By the way, their Sacred City album from the early 90's is excellent-- far closer to the Oil And Gold level of quality than the Go Bang level. And includes a thanks to Calvino in the liners. I've only listened to the reunion album, Naked Apes And Pond Life, a couple of times since finding it used, but my initial impressions were very positive. It comes as a bonus disc in the Aberrations 81-84 rarities collection. I'll let y'all know when I've digitized my LP of Jam Science. Jon Lewis (whose principal motivation is a special secretion from a secret gland) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:14:03 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Invincible Synthcock Re: Shriekback: This is good stuff to know. I only have one of apparently many dicey compilations, Dancing Years, and enjoy that plenty enough. Tell you a little bit about my point of entry into the world of alternative and/or popular music: the first thing I remember hearing from Shriekback was their cover of "Get Down Tonight". Tell you something more about the same subject: I didn't know it was a cover, and my reaction was "Why the hell did they write this crap?" The only time I'd heard of them before was, well, there was this weird kid in 8th grade whose gym clothes consisted of homemade t-shirts, one of which read "Shriekback" and the other of which read "Killing Joke Killing Joke"... why twice I don't fully to this day understand. Now here comes something weird: I'm about to suggest that Nuppy check out a band whose music I barely know at all: it sounds to me like you might be interested in Fad Gadget. I know they're largely synthy, but the only FG-related thing I've really heard is the lead singer Frank Tovey's acoustic and mostly traditional album "Tyranny and the Hired Hand", which I rate rather highly... besides which, at least in that context, Tovey's voice bears more than a passing resemblance to Robyn's. Fad Gadget *also* has a Wire connection, so on that note I throw this suggestion to the jury, which is likely to consist of Miles. Miles? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Invincible Synthcock Rex: >Re: Shriekback: This is good stuff to know. I only have one of apparently many >dicey compilations, Dancing Years, and enjoy that plenty enough. Nothing wrong with that 'un, but that also means there's plenty more where it came from. >Tell you a little bit about my point of entry into the world of alternative >and/or popular music: the first thing I remember hearing from Shriekback >was their cover of "Get Down Tonight". Tell you something more about >the same subject: I didn't know it was a cover, and my reaction was >"Why the hell did they write this crap?" You know, this cover does feature its own built-in clue as to its cover-ness: Well everyone can see that you can't go wrong Shriekback crashlanding on a KC song To pick up on an off-list thread with Rex, I always think of Rex as a contemporary, and for most intents and purposes, the slight age disparity between us means nothing as we try to outfogey each other. But being 8 when "Get Down Tonight" hit the charts (I can still picture KC and the Sunshine Band playing it on the Mike Douglas Show!) and having it persist as a perennial on Top 40 and in many, many KC TV appearances through that band's chart run (which was, what, through '80 or so? "Please Don't Go" w/Teri DeSario) vs. being miniscule during that time... well, it *does* show up some times! Of course anyone in his or her mid-40s or older could school me on the music of 1969 >Now here comes something weird: I'm about to suggest that >Nuppy check out a band whose music I barely know at all: it >sounds to me like you might be interested in Fad Gadget. I >know they're largely synthy, but the only FG-related thing I've >really heard is the lead singer Frank Tovey's acoustic and >mostly traditional album "Tyranny and the Hired Hand", which >I rate rather highly... besides which, at least in that context, >Tovey's voice bears more than a passing resemblance to >Robyn's. Fad Gadget *also* has a Wire connection, so on that >note I throw this suggestion to the jury, which is likely to >consist of Miles. Miles? I may slightly disappoint here. I own several Fad Gadget cassettes, thanks to a closeout at a Camelot in the early '90s where I picked them up for something like a quarter each, and I also have a couple of Frank Tovey CDs, but I can't clame thorough knowledge of any of them. I liked them overall, or I wouldn't have invested in the Tovey CDs, but there was also something a wee bit stiff and at times mannered, stagey, about the proceedings. But since Nuppy is a huge Monochrome Set fan, I think those qualities may not bug him as much as they sometimes bug me, and some of what I recall was quite compelling stuff. I wouldn't have thought Robyn as a vocal comparison, but then again it's been several years since I listened to any of it. Actually, FG/Tovey has sort of been filed in my head in the "should listen further" section for years, so this makes me want to listen to 'em again. So consider this a cautious (but not overly cautious) recommendation. FWIW, I'll see your Tovey and raise you a Momus, who for some reason I love, even though he can be more showy than Tovey and certainly far more self-conscious about the artifice. Given Nuppy's stated tastes, I'll say THE POISON BOYFRIEND, PING-PONG, and my favorite, THE PHILOSOPHY OF MOMUS. But be warned, he's usually a love him or hate him sorta artist. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #253 ********************************