From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #235 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 18 2004 Volume 13 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) ["Rex Broome" ] Scratch one artist from the RH tribute / the vinyl countdown ["Rex.Broome] Today's Trivia [Edward Tews ] Re: vinyl & the wegie vernacular [Ken Weingold ] The Nutshells [steve ] Re: Spooked vinyl ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Spooked vinyl ["Fortissimo" ] Tell Me About Your Drugs. Again [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: The Nutshells ["FS Thomas" ] Re: 9th Oct [Michael R Godwin ] Attn. all list-makers [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Attn. all list-makers ["Matt Sewell" ] Nader for President [] vinyl and stuff ["Melissa" ] reap: gbv - did I miss this? ["Edward of Sim" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:24:23 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) Okay, a little more digging found this from Tanya's tour blog" "Robyn Hitchcock and the wonderful Michelle came backstage to say hi. It was great and funny to see them, as always. We exchanged our information on paper plates. I recorded one of his songs ("Sweet Ghost of Light") last year for a tribute album to him that’s in the works. Not sure when it will finally come out. Kristin did a track, and Grant Lee and Michael Stipe, too, I think." Firstly: seriously: Kristin Hersh has recorded a Robyn Hitchcock composition? Dude. Secondly: seriously: this blog entry dates back to April of 2002. Not encouraging. But since TD's doing SGOL live on this tour and the Decemberists are talking about their contribution, maybe it's been in limbo but is emerging even as we speak... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:30:54 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) one time at band camp, Rex.Broome (Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com) said: >Yes, Tanya Donelly has recorded "Sweet Ghost of Light" for the Robyn >tribute which is also slated to feature the Decemberists doing "Lady >Waters and the Hooded One"... got this confirmation from someone who >works for Tanya's label. nifty! >Still don't know who's putting the thing out or when to expect it, but >the lineup so far is encouraging. do we know of anyone else besides tanya and the decemberists? >Smart money is that some corner of the Scott McCaughey axis will return >the favor of Robyn's appearance on the YFF tribute... first place i looked for possible release was the label that put out the fellows tribute. no dice though. >and I'd like to hope for some more female interpreters (Gillian?)... predictably, i would not object. by the way, i agree 110% with you about tanay's new record, rex. it's shockingly good. it may even be better than my other favorites of the year so far: laura veirs' _carbon glacier_ and joanna newsom's _the milk-eyed mender_. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:40:44 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) one time at band camp, Rex Broome (rexbroome90042@lycos.com) said: >"Robyn Hitchcock and the wonderful Michelle came backstage to say hi. >It was great and funny to see them, as always. We exchanged our >information on paper plates. I recorded one of his songs ("Sweet Ghost >of Light") last year for a tribute album to him that’s in the >works. Not sure when it will finally come out. Kristin did a track, and >Grant Lee and Michael Stipe, too, I think." ok, now this is starting to tickle my heard-this-before spidey senses...but it's yet to dislodge anything concrete. neither is google or my own search of the feg archives. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, fingerpuppets wrote: > by the way, i agree 110% with you about tanay's new record, rex. it's > shockingly good. it may even be better than my other favorites of the > year so far: laura veirs' _carbon glacier_ and joanna newsom's _the > milk-eyed mender_. I just discovered "Milk Eyed Mender" last week. Holy hell! Any idea where one might obtain her self-released EPs? Anyone care to make me copies, point me to mp3s, etc, while I search for the media? I can't wait to hear Robyn covers from Tanya and Kristin! What great news. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:02:39 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) Speaking of Tanya, she sang on the song Judy Staring At The Sun from Catherine Wheel from the album Happy Days, I think in 1995. The album version has her singing only background vocals, although she did an entire verse. I think it was some crap with her record company and wouldn't allow it, but the sing of the song has that version on it. If anyone wants it, I can throw it up somewhere to download. I have a Blender CD with a think on Catherine Wheel and it has a little live video of that song with Tanya singing with Rob Dickinson. She's one of the most adorable things I've ever seen. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:30:45 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:30:54 -0400, "fingerpuppets" said: > by the way, i agree 110% with you about tanay's new record, rex. it's > shockingly good. it may even be better than my other favorites of the > year so far: laura veirs' _carbon glacier_ and joanna newsom's _the > milk-eyed mender_. I misread that at first as "The Milk-Eyed Member." No comment. Anyway, I've been burned by positive recommendations of Tanya Donelly records before...if I always end up being kinda bored by her post-Muses stuff eventually, is this one likely to end up differently for me...? Thank you psychics. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:14:44 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: "Official" Robyn tribute (0% Tinfoil Thoths content) Woj: > > by the way, i agree 110% with you about tanay's new record, rex. it's > > shockingly good. it may even be better than my other favorites of the > > year so far: laura veirs' _carbon glacier_ and joanna newsom's _the > > milk-eyed mender_. I don't know nothing 'bout no Joanna Newsom... please do enlighten me. Jeff: > Anyway, I've been burned by positive recommendations of Tanya Donelly > records before...if I always end up being kinda bored by her post-Muses > stuff eventually, is this one likely to end up differently for me...? > > Thank you psychics. Well, I haven't ever unconditionally recommended a TD solo record before now, if that makes any difference. This one is more (brace for BS criticspeak) "sparse" and "delicate" and "emotionally raw" than usual. Reviews have it as a dip into country territory, but that's overstated; RH comparison in terms of sound and content would be "Eye". I think it's both the most soulful and sharply written thing she's ever done, but it really suits my mood at this point in my life, so that's my grain of salt... but that's what music is there for, anyway, isn't it? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:40:24 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: vinyl & the wegie vernacular >And cheers, Stewart, for your advice on the word stonner... I certainly >think I wouldn't like mine deep fried! The discussion reminded me of an >old joke which I'm sure Stewart would have heard donkey's years ago, but >for the benefit for ye other fegs: > >A bloke walks into a Glaswegian bakery, points to a cake in the cabinet >and asks, "Is that a doughnut or a meringue?" The baker replied, "naw, >you're right, it is a doughnut". erm. That's on par with the old Glaswegian joke "what's the difference between Frank Sinatra and Walt Disney? Frank sings and Walt Disney." Don't get me started on the Yorkshire pet census joke or the Swedish chemist joke. >That reminds me of this story I saw recently. Scientists at Berkeley >Labs use microimaging to map the surfaces of extremely fragile wax >cylinders and shellac discs in order to reproduce the sound waves. >Some of these recordings would be ruined if they were read using >conventional analog equipment. Check out the audio samples too. indeed they are. They're hoping mainly to record early speeches by the likes of Queen Victoria and (according to some rumours) Abraham Lincoln, but no doubt early songs will get a resurrection too - in fact, they've been practicing on songs from the 20s, if I remember the BBC-online article correctly. >Since you mentioned 'geek', I have to ask if they really use discs, or >disks. ;-) Discs! They're shellac, not computer storage devices! James (who still has a turntable, but whose vinyl collection is slowly dwindling down to rarities, souvenirs, and signed copies) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:07:12 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Scratch one artist from the RH tribute / the vinyl countdown From Billy "Mr. Kristin Hersh" O'Connell: "K never did record her track for this supposed album...part of the problem was that she couldn't decide on a track...part that it never seemed the thing was gonna see the light of day..." So... damn. And, erm, probably, damn. Meanwhile, results from an informal e-mail poll of my friends re: turntables: Responses: 11 Possess turntables: 7 Functional, connected ones: 5 Use them occasionally: 5 Last vinyl items listened to among those so inclined: - -Wire, "Send" - -Fleetwood Mac, "Rumours" - -Magazine, "Shot By Both Sides Live EP" - -Marlo Thomas, "Free to Be, You and Me" - -Carole King, "Tapestry" - -R.E.M., "Chronic Town" - -Red Kross, "a Red Kross album" - -The Fixx, "something by the Fixx" - -The Beatles, "Run for Your Life" (presumably "Rubber Soul", but it was noted that this was played as an experiment in hip-hop DJ-style "scratching" which did not end particularly well) - -Rush, "the first Rush album" As usual, probably says more about me and my friends than anything else. Oh well. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Edward Tews Subject: Today's Trivia Septicemia was the 10th-leading cause of death in 2002 (I think this only applies to the U.S.). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:37:01 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: vinyl & the wegie vernacular On Wed, Aug 18, 2004, James Dignan wrote: > >Since you mentioned 'geek', I have to ask if they really use discs, or > >disks. ;-) > > Discs! They're shellac, not computer storage devices! Well in computer talk, I believe 'disks' are magnetic and 'discs' are optical. I guess shellacked are neither. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:56:43 -0500 From: steve Subject: The Nutshells > With the introduction of the Nutshells, Skippy will continue to > revitalize the peanut butter category as a brand for kids, moms and > peanut-butter lovers everywhere! - - Steve __________ Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer, Ein News Channel - Fox News. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:38:41 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Spooked vinyl > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > > And a dinner-party poll at the weekend turned up that no-one there had > a > turntable, but somebody thought one of their friends might still have > one. It's almost FOAF urban myth stuff now. Most of my friends have at least one turntable. I have four of them myself: a Dual 1229, Lenco L75, cheapo Panasonic pitful picnic player, and my main rig, a tweaked Music Hall MMF-5. I am *very* happy that Spooked is being released on vinyl. I do most of my serious listening on vinyl, and prefer to buy new releases on vinyl if available. F'rinstance, the latest from Stereolab, Iron and Wine, are sublime on vinyl, and the My Bloody Valentine reissues are stupendous. And without a turntable, I couldn't listen to a lot of my favorite bands, like Slovenly and so on. And original Sinatra Capitol mono pressings sound divine. I do digital, too. I have players for redbook, DVD-A, and SACD. Now if Spooked were released on high-res digital, I'd be one happy mofo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:04:57 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Spooked vinyl On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:38:41 -0500, "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." said: > I am *very* happy that Spooked is being released on vinyl. I do most of > my serious listening on vinyl Fookin' freak! Anyway: Denon DP-23F, now used solely when digitizing vinyl (as in: it's hooked to my computer, not to my stereo system). Even more annoying: every once in a while some vinyl freak insists on releasing exclusive material on 7" singles - the second-crappiest recording medium ever. Half the time, the vinyl itself seems admixed with sandpaper, and even when that's not the case, they're only sporadically mastered such that the grooves are centered (Mr. Wow? I'd like you to meet Ms. Flutter)... My vinyl is in my basement, there waiting for me to digitize it if'n I catch a whim. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Tell Me About Your Drugs. Again http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3528730.stm Submitted for your curiosity only, because I'm sure none of you have ever done such things.... ===== "'Bushworld' is sort of an alternate universe where things are the opposite of what they seem. President Bush said the other day, 'It is a ridiculous notion to assert that because the United States is on the offensive, more people want to hurt us. We are on the offensive because people do want to hurt us.' I mean that is a perfect 'Bushworld' quote. It's not true and it's nonsensical. It's the opposite of what is true. His new campaign motto is 'America is safer. Be afraid, be very afraid.' Everything is an oxymoron." -- Maureen Dowd __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:42:31 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: The Nutshells > > With the introduction of the Nutshells, Skippy will continue to > > revitalize the peanut butter category as a brand for kids, moms and > > peanut-butter lovers everywhere! > Remember, too: Elephants have prehensile . http://www.rathergood.com/elephant/ - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:24:42 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 9th Oct > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:23:01 +0100 > From: "Charlotte Tupman" > Subject: Spooked continued... > For UK fegs, the gig on the 9th of October promises to be an introduction to > the new album: > http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/events/116780.html?section=contemporary&file=index&d=9&m=10&y=2004 I'm really cheesed off to see that this show is timed for 9.30pm. I only just coped with the 50th birthday QEH gig by skipping the encore to catch my last train. There's no way I can get back to Paddington for 11.35 if the show doesn't start till late. Corwumph! - - Mike 'Old Wilkie' Godwin PS The Purcell Room is a nice little space, too. Last time I was there was to see Tyrannosaarus Rex's "Oak, Ash and Thorn" performance, late 68. n.p. "Wielder [sic] of Words (Robard de Font Le Roy)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:29:03 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Attn. all list-makers "The brewer and the magazine issued the cans this summer, depicting Elvis Presley, Blondie, Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Willie Nelson, as well as two guitars". Strange choices to define 50 years of r'n'r, especially from an English p.o.v. Def Leppard the top UK rock band ever to appear on the cover of the Rolling Stone? Ahead of Lennon (who apparently appeared on the first issue), McCartney, Elton, Costello, Bowie, Robbie Williams, the Rolling Stones (how could they have missed the R.S. on the cover of R.S.?), the Floyd, Rod Stewart (remember when he had the top single and top album on both sides of the Atlantic simultaneously?), Clapton, Harrison, the Who, Oasis, Frankie Goes to Hollywood? I can remember occasions when all of those acts have absolutely saturated the UK airwaves, but I'm not sure I've ever heard a single number by Def Leppard (if I have, I probably thought it was Judas Priest). There can't have been a rule that the acts must still be performing, or Elvis Presley wouldn't have got through. Or Alice Cooper, I think. Anyway, before making any alternative nominations, does anyone know if there is a catalogue of Rolling Stone cover artists on the web somewhere? - - Disgruntled 9th October non-attendee, Bath PS And what were the two guitars? Strat and Les Paul, I suppose, though there must be a case for the Tele. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:50:04 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: Attn. all list-makers Of course there's a case for the Tele... it's at home... with my Tele in it! Godders, you're not going on the 9th..? Is it the issue with the trains? Cheers Matt, listphobic >From: Mickiegodwin! >PS And what were the two guitars? Strat and Les Paul, I suppose, though >there must be a case for the Tele. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:17:24 -0500 From: Subject: Nader for President [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] the spoiler rocks. i don't agree with everything monbiot says, just most of it. "George Monbiot Tuesday August 17 2004 The Guardian - This is the question which people ask themselves before almost every presidential election: why, when the United States is teeming with brilliant and inspiring people, are its voters so often faced with a choice between two deeply unimpressive men? I would have thought the answer was pretty obvious: because deeply unimpressive men continue to be elected. This year, the American people have been instructed to elect one again. Almost every powerful progressive voice has told them not to vote for the progressive candidate, but to vote instead for The Man Who Isn't There. Ralph Nader may stand for everything the Guardian, the Nation magazine, even Noam Chomsky, claim to support, but all these voices - indeed just about everyone on the left - have been urging the voters in swing states to choose John Kerry. Their argument, of course, is that Kerry is the only candidate who can knock George Bush off his perch. He might be about as inspiring as a parking lot on a wet Sunday in Detroit, but his vacuity is better than the president's aggressive certainties. The contest is so close that if even a few thousand people vote for Nader rather than Kerry in the swing states, it could win the election for Bush. This is why Republicans have been giving money to Nader. So Americans should vote for the Democrats in 2004, and worry about the wider failings of the US political system when the current president is safely out of the way. And their argument has merit. Bush has already launched two unnecessary wars, threatened 40 or 50 nations with armed aggression, ripped up international treaties and domestic regulations, granted corporations a licence to cook the planet, waged a global war against civil liberties and sought to bury that old- fashioned notion that the state should tax the rich and help the poor. The world would certainly be a safer and a better place without him. As a result, a Guardian leader told us last week, these are "exceptional circumstances Mr Kerry's flaws and limitations are evident; but they are put in the shade by the neo-conservative agenda and catastrophic war-making of Mr Bush". In an open letter to Ralph Nader in January, the Nation magazine claimed: "This is the wrong year for you to run: 2004 is not 2000. George W Bush has led us into an illegal pre-emptive war, and his defeat is critical." The problem with this argument is that both publications said the same thing about the 2000 elections. The Nation's columnist Eric Alterman blames Al Gore's defeat on Nader's "megalomania". Three days before the vote, the Guardian argued that "... the marginalised Mr Nader cannot win ... Exciting [Al Gore] ain't. A visionary he is not. But he is the safe, wise choice." And similar warnings have been issued during almost every presidential election in modern times. Under the US electoral system, which is constructed around patronage, corruption and fear of the media, there will always be exceptional circumstances, because it will always throw up dreadful candidates. Only when the Americans choose a man or woman who is prepared to turn the system upside down and reintroduce democracy to the greatest democracy on earth will these exceptional circumstances come to an end. In choosing the bad rather than the terrible in 2004, in other words, Americans will be voting for a similar choice in 2008. Whereupon they will again be told that they'd better vote for the bad, in case the terrible gets in. Any president who seeks to change this system requires tremendous political courage. He needs to take on the corporations which have bought the elections, and challenge the newspapers and television stations which set the limits of political debate. Kerry, who demonstrated plenty of courage in Vietnam, has shown none whatsoever on the presidential stump. Last week, when the Republicans were questioning his commitment to defence, he announced that "even knowing what we now know" he would have voted to give President Bush the authority to attack Iraq. Ten days ago his national security adviser James Rubin told the Washington Post that if Kerry was president he would "in all probability" have launched a military attack against Iraq by now. Kerry's ability to raise almost as much money as the Republicans is seen as a triumph for American democracy; but his corporate backers are funding him not because they believe in democracy, but because they believe that he will do what they want. And they are unlikely to be wrong. When Kerry gets his orders, he reports for duty. The idea that this frightened, flinching man would oversee the necessary democratic revolution is preposterous. He has made the system work for him by working for the system. He knows that as soon as he turns against it, it will destroy him. What else does he have to fall back on? Charisma? Popular enthusiasm? He's no Hugo Chavez. A vote for Kerry is not just a vote against George Bush. It is a vote for the survival of the system which made Bush happen. I'm not an unhesitating fan of Ralph Nader's - I believe that some of his positions on trade, for example, are wrong - but no one could deny that he possesses courage. His decision to stand in November, when even his former supporters are telling him not to, is as brave as it is foolhardy. He has spent his working life fighting the corporations and being attacked in the media. This month he did something no other US politician has dared to do, and took on the Anti-Defamation League, the organisation which smears opponents of Israeli policy as anti-semites. He won't be elected in November, of course, but that's not the point. The point is that if you want to change a system, you have to start now, rather than in some endlessly deferred future. And the better Nader does, the faster the campaign for change will grow. The Nation claims that Nader would have "a far more productive impact" as "a public citizen fighting for open debates and rallying voters to support progressive Democrats". But what possible incentive would the Democrats have to listen to him? He has influence over these cowering creatures only while they are afraid that he might take their votes. None of this is to suggest that there is no difference between Kerry and Bush. Where Bush is active, Kerry is passive. He wants to maintain massive levels of defence spending, but, despite his efforts to assure the media that he is as mad as Bush, he would probably be more reluctant to attack other nations. He wants to cut taxes, but he is less willing to wage war on health and education. He wants to hold down the price of oil, but doesn't want to help the corporations open up the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. The question is whether this difference is sufficient to justify the abandonment of the only current electoral attempt to democratise the US political system. I don't believe it is. Progressives on both sides of the Atlantic are asking American voters to sacrifice liberty for security, and democracy for expediency. The voters should ignore them." - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:53:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "Melissa" Subject: vinyl and stuff Among my friends I am the only one with a turntable and vinyl. The only other people I know who have them are the ones who dj. my boyfriend thinks i'm weird for keeping my vinyl. I'm jealous of those of you with older turntables especially the dual ones. My dad had a fabulous old one that would play even when the cat jumped on it but gave it away without telling me. If anyone will be out in the desert for burning man please stop by our theme camp. We are the White Dragon Noodle Bar and will be near center camp at Venus @5:30. There wil be free ramen every night around 7:30. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:43:58 +0100 From: "Edward of Sim" Subject: reap: gbv - did I miss this? I'm sure this must have already been talked about, and talked to death, and I just missed it. Right? http://www.blacktable.com/smith040505.htm peace Edward http://www.garageband.com/artist/Virgin_Twin http://www.garageband.com/artist/Edward_of_Sim ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #235 ********************************