From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #219 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- spooked [fingerpuppets ] Re: spooked [Tom Clark ] Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree [Tom Clark] Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree [Capuchin ] Re: zappamaniax ["Fortissimo" ] Costco good, Wal-Mart bad [steve ] Re: zappamaniax [steve ] Re: zappamaniax ["Fortissimo" ] Arthurly [Michael R Godwin ] Re: zappamaniax ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree ["Stewart ] We're here! We're Queer! [Jeff Dwarf ] We're here! We're Queer! [Jeff Dwarf ] We're here! We're Queer! [Jeff Dwarf ] Over the hill now, and looking for Love ["Rex Broome" ] Crustacean Mind Control ["Sumiko Keay" ] rare Robyn albums [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:25:33 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: spooked the _spooked_ track listing and some early reactions to the rekkid from a lucky fellow over on vegetablefriends. very interesting to see "demons and fiends" there.... woj - ----- Forwarded message from lee wallace ----- To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com From: lee wallace Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VegFriends] SPOOKED! tracklist etc Roberta requested the tracklist for Spooked!. Here 'tis; 1. Television 2. If You Know Time 3. Everybody Needs Love 4. English Girl 5. Demons and Fiends 6. Creeped Out 7. Sometimes A Blonde 8. We're Gonna Live In The Trees 9. Tryin' To Get To Heaven 10. Full Moon In My Soul 11. Welcome To Earth 12. Flanagan's Song Total time 44:55 The copy I have is simply a CDR with a promo card. I work in the recording industry and am lucky enough to have a colleague that will send these things my way once in a while. I got to hear Luxor prior to its release from the same source. Somehow, my store bought copy of Luxor seems to sound better than the CDR thingy that came first, but maybe it's just me. Anyhoo, SPOOKED! is beautiful. As with Luxor, the emphasis seems to be on Robyn's sonorous pipes, phrasing, his voice as an instrument. Splendid acoustic guitar sounds abound. "Full Moon" has one of the most creative uses of backward guitar effects I've heard since the Beatles did Revolver - they are so subtle you might even miss them or mistake them for something else. Lyrically, Robyn gives us some wry political commentary some wackiness and poetry - he does not dissappoint. Some of the arrangements include drums and keyboards, but the center of everything is always a good woody guitar strum. Muswell Hillbillies for the new century if you will. I can't wait to see what the insert art is going to be. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:57:34 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: spooked On Jul 27, 2004, at 1:25 PM, fingerpuppets wrote: > the _spooked_ track listing and some early reactions to the rekkid from > a lucky fellow over on vegetablefriends. very interesting to see > "demons and fiends" there.... > > woj > > ----- Forwarded message from lee wallace ----- > 10. Full Moon In My Soul > I'm glad this one's making it to official release. I think I've only heard it three or four times, but it still buzzes around in my head. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:09:18 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree On Jul 27, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Vendren wrote: >> Fab music bought this week: >> * The Polyphonic Spree - Together We're Heavy >> * Jim White - Drill A Hole In That Substrate, and Tell Me What You See > > Two albums I quite like. I can't get over how much the Spree are > sounding > like the Flaming Lips on this disc, though minus the electronics. I > find the > songs a bit samey sounding over the course of the disc, but I love the > album's sound enough to not really mind. > Spree on that Craig Kilborn show after Letterman tonight. Also appearing - Howard Stern's model girlfriend Beth O. (FWIW) > >> TMBG's "The Spine" might be fab, but I haven't listened to it yet. >> Stewart > > I've been iffy about thier last few releases. I don't think guitar > rock is > what they're best at and this looks to be more guitar rock. I miss the > accordian. > I feel the same way, but I heard a track from it the other day and was pleasantly surprised! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > I feel the same way, but I heard a track from it the other day and was > pleasantly surprised! While not my favorite track of theirs in recent years, there's a video for "Experimental Film" directed by Strong Sad and The Cheat: J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:10:15 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: zappamaniax On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT), "Aaron Mandel" said: > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, [iso-8859-1] anthony stokes wrote: > > > Zappa, apart from being IMHO, one of the most talented composers to ever > > live, seemed to consider himself a sort of social anthropologist and > > equal opportunity offender. His critics always seem to harp on the fact > > that many of his songs are misogynistic or sexist, but there are just as > > many "stupid guy" songs in his recorded work as "stupid woman" songs. > > Throw some specific names at me and I'll tell you what I think, but > overall, I don't feel like his "stupid guy" stuff is anywhere near as > anti-male as his "stupid woman" stuff is anti-female. > Anyway, yeah, he considered himself an equal opportunity offender. He was > wrong. His scorn about women and semi-gay men is nothing like the way he > treats racial humor (as Jeff Norman pointed out to me a few months ago). > It only all looked the same to the kind of timid Puritans that Zappa > liked shocking. I think it's sort of an inside/outside situation in both (sexuality, race) situations. One reason Zappa's "stupid men" songs don't offend (assuming that there are songs that present men being stupid *as men* in the way some of his songs seem to present women or "semi-gay men" being stupid as such) is that, duh, Zappa's a guy, and at the very least you know he's including himself (to an extent) in the putdowns. That's not true with, say, "Jumbo Go Away" (to name probably his most obnoxious song, at least that I can think of off the top of my head). Similarly, one difference between Zappa's "offensive" takes on race and on gender issues is that with race, he could speak nearer the "inside" of the dynamic: the makeup of his bands (and, I believe, of his friends, even growing up) was always multi-racial (and sadly, very few other rock musicians can say the same). Sure, he had Ruth Underwood playing xylophone for a while...but he certainly had nowhere near the number of female musicians as black, Latino, etc. (shall I include Greek-Italian guys?). I don't know: were any of Zappa's musicians openly gay? There's also, of course, the inside/outside bit re society as a whole: it makes a difference if the (relatively) powerless is tweaking the powerful or the reverse. No one likes a bully. > One suspicion of mine is that it's all summed up in Zappa's comment about > how there are more ugly people than beautiful people, with himself > solidly > on the side of the "ugly". And I think that sometimes, Zappa's personal > opinion that men were ugly and women were beautiful (mostly) got > entangled > with his use of "ugliness" as a metaphor for anti-elitism. Something like that, yeah. I think when you end up think of yourself as being on the outside, you can lose track of the ways you're also on the inside - and react negatively when those truly on the outside start tearing down your privilege. Oh yeah: at one point, we were actually discussing Zappa's music. Anyway: of his rock-based material, I tend to like the more composed, complex stuff, rather than the relatively simple material found on a lot of his later rock albums. He's a highly underrated melodist, I think - and when he worked from a song-based format that foregrounded melody (even if it ended up embellished way beyond baroque) he was at his strongest. One problem with a lot of the later material is melody disappears completely. I also like his more abstract, avant stuff: the key there, particularly with his classical stuff, is I think he composed in a *narrative* format rather than using more traditional structures. Even when there's no explicit narrative to the instrumental pieces (and often, his notes provide one), I get the feeling he's using sound to tell a story of sorts, even if its details remain private in Zappa's Universe. I don't know how he would have felt about doing soundtrack work (probably not very keen) but given the right subject (which wouldn't necessarily be any obviously bizarre thing either) I think he could have done fantastic work in that realm. I think one problem w/his rock stuff of later years is that he was completely bamboozled by the whole punk thing: he simply didn't get it, although he seemed to think he needed to do *something* different - not to join in, but simply because he seemed to think his older approach didn't work. I dunno...but the two-three songs where he addresses "punk" are so ridiculously offbase as to approach "Quincy Punk Episode" territory. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:17:02 -0500 From: steve Subject: Costco good, Wal-Mart bad And their stores are cleaner. - - Steve __________ This is Bush's 33rd visit to his ranch since becoming president. He has spent all or part of 233 days on his Texas ranch since taking office, according to a tally by CBS News. Adding his 78 visits to Camp David and his five visits to Kennebunkport, Maine, Bush has spent all or part of 500 days in office at one of his three retreats, or more than 40 percent of his presidency. - Milbank & Wright, Washington Post, April 9, 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:58:22 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: zappamaniax On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > (even if it ended up embellished way beyond baroque) Heh - > Frank Zappa on Baroque Instruments > Artist(s): Ensemble Ambrosius (Performed by), Ens Ambrosius > (Performed by), Ensemble Ambrosius / Zappa (Recorded by) > > Label: Northern Lights Publishing > Media: Compact Disc > Format: Album > Release Date: October 2000 > Product Code: 675754278625 > US SRP: $ 19.98 US > > Additional Information > Recorded Music Categories: Recorded Music | Classical | Artists > > Song Titles > > 1. Night School > 2. Sofa > 3. Black Page #2 > 4. Uncle Meat > 5. Igor's Boogie > 6. Zoot Allures > 7. Big Swifty > 8. T'Mershi Duween > 9. Alien Orifice > 10. Idiot Bastard Son > 11. Rdnzl > 12. Orange County Lumber Truck > 13. Echindna's Arf (of You) > 14. Inca Roads > 15. G-Spot Tornado To go along with your big band and woodwind ensemble Zappa albums. - - Steve __________ Break the cursing seal of love, new devil. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:10:15 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: zappamaniax Is it funny, or sad, that I own this album? BTW: You haven't lived until you've heard a guy with a heavy Finnish accent sing "The Idiot Bastard Son" over a baroque ensemble... Their approach isn't pure baroque, or "early music," either: it's sorta that crossed with Finnish modern folk with some proggish jazz touches (This is actually a pretty fine li'l record, folks...) On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:58:22 -0500, "steve" said: > On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > > > (even if it ended up embellished way beyond baroque) > > > Heh - > > > Frank Zappa on Baroque Instruments > > Artist(s): Ensemble Ambrosius (Performed by), Ens Ambrosius > > (Performed by), Ensemble Ambrosius / Zappa (Recorded by) > > > > Label: Northern Lights Publishing > > Media: Compact Disc > > Format: Album > > Release Date: October 2000 > > Product Code: 675754278625 > > US SRP: $ 19.98 US > > > > Additional Information > > Recorded Music Categories: Recorded Music | Classical | Artists > > > > Song Titles > > > > 1. Night School > > 2. Sofa > > 3. Black Page #2 > > 4. Uncle Meat > > 5. Igor's Boogie > > 6. Zoot Allures > > 7. Big Swifty > > 8. T'Mershi Duween > > 9. Alien Orifice > > 10. Idiot Bastard Son > > 11. Rdnzl > > 12. Orange County Lumber Truck > > 13. Echindna's Arf (of You) > > 14. Inca Roads > > 15. G-Spot Tornado - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:10:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Arthurly Just found this set list and pics of Arthur Lee's recent Bath gig: . Excellent show, but as you can see from the set, he didn't play "Stephanie Knows Who". However, I see that on 25 August he's playing the whole of 'da Capo' at Spaceland, LA. Bah! [thinks: on the other hand, I didn't have to put up with 18 minutes 57 seconds of 'Revelation'] - - Mike "We are normal and we dig Bert Weedon" Godwin PS I spent several minutes over that last digest puzzling why Frank Zappa should have a daughter called Tina Sinatra. Finally something clicked... "You know it'll be my fancy To make it with Frank and Nancy You're over the hill right now And looking for love" Where does that verse come from? 1969 Live, I suspect. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:21:27 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: zappamaniax Fortissimo wrote: > > (This is actually a pretty fine li'l record, folks...) What, you mean it transcends "Argh, make it stop!", to "Argh, make it stop, *please*!"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:30:30 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: drill a hole in that substrate, and tell me what you spree Vendren wrote: > > Two albums I quite like. I can't get over how much the Spree are sounding > like the Flaming Lips on this disc Yeah, Tim de L. has the same groundhog-muppet voice. Think I must've listened to the new album about six times yesterday. I suspect they're a cult, what with all those robes n' stuff. I wonder when the subliminal messages triggering terrorist acts cut in? > I'm a big Jim White fan. I like this new disc as much as his last two. Yep, I'm waiting for the big tour, though considering the difficulty that my retailer had in getting this disc, I doubt much will happen. > I've been iffy about thier last few releases. I don't think guitar rock is > what they're best at and this looks to be more guitar rock. Yes, you could write the generic witty-snarky-whiney Linnell-on-vocals TMBG guitar song. And frankly, how many more copies of Thunderbird do we need? Stewart (who hasn't played that rendition of T'bird backwards to see if it sounds like On Earth My Nina ... yet) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: We're here! We're Queer! We're yellow, have no chins, and are cartoons! ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: We're here! We're Queer! We're yellow, have no chins, and are cartoons! ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: We're here! We're Queer! We're yellow, have no chins, and are cartoons! ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:54:41 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Over the hill now, and looking for Love Mike Godwin: > However, I see that on 25 August he's playing the whole of 'da Capo' at > Spaceland, LA. > > Bah! ...and Forever Changes on a separate night, separate admission. I suppose... I must choose. > [thinks: on the other hand, I didn't have to put up with 18 minutes 57 > seconds of 'Revelation'] That might tear it right there. > "You know it'll be my fancy > To make it with Frank and Nancy > You're over the hill right now > And looking for love" > > Where does that verse come from? 1969 Live, I suspect. Yup. Although oddly Tori Amos sang that set of lyrics on her covers album a few years back, too. What is it with women covering Velvets songs-- actually even specifically songs from "Loaded", since my other example is the Cowboy Junkies' "Sweet Jane"-- where they gravitate towards the alternate-lyrics versions? It just struck me recently because my friend / painting partner loves both Tori Amos and the Cowboy Junkies, but I doubt she's ever heard a Velvets album... and thus she knows those two songs in what, to me, are the less common lyrical iterations. She might even have Stipe's mangled take on "Pale Blue Eyes" on her iPod somewhere, but that shit isn't even based on anything Lou ever wrote, much less sang in Dallas or whatever... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: License Plate Saw a California license plate last night: 4FEG777 I could hear Frank Black Francis screaming "Then God Is 7...." - -griffith back to sporadic lurking ===== - --------------------------------------------------------- Griffith Davies hbrtv219@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:27:56 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Crustacean Mind Control Researchers in the Sdo Paulo University's Physics Department have successfully connected a group of 11 neurons from a blue crab's mouth parts to a computer, allowing them to control the movements of the crabs mouth parts via electrical signals. By learning more about how to replicate the function of the crustaceans' neurons, the researchers hope to be able to someday build a giant, samba-dancing, capoira-kicking robotic crab walker with which to impose a Brazilian dominance over the entirety of mankind. Or they want to build prosthetic arms for humans; I forget which Read the whole text here: http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/brazilian-scientists-control-crab-with-computer-018439.php Saw this and thought of the fegs. Sumi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: rare Robyn albums A while back, Aidan posted here about piles of rare unreleased Robyn material that he was giving away. Did any of it end up with someone who has both the power to digitize, and the desire to share? a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #219 ********************************