From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #200 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 9 2004 Volume 13 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Catch the M train... ["Rex Broome" ] multiregional DVD players [Jill Brand ] Re: Catch the M train... [Capuchin ] Hrm ["Eb" ] M bands [MPys2626@aol.com] RE: Catch the Punk train... ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: M bands [MPys2626@aol.com] RE: Catch the Punk Juice train... ["Rex Broome" ] Re: M and Jennings [James Dignan ] Julianna Hatfield ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: M and Jennings ["Rex Broome" ] Re: M and Jennings ["Eb" ] Re: M and Jennings [Aaron Mandel ] Re: mmm, bop ["Michael Wells" ] This ain't rock'n'roll, this is angioplasty [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Catch the M train... [Jon Lewis ] Re: mmm, bop and more Krautrock [Jon Lewis ] Re: mmm, bop ["Eb" ] Re: Catch the Punk Juice train... [steve ] Re: multiregional DVD players [steve ] Re: mmm, bop [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: M and Jennings [James Dignan ] RE: Move any mountain. ["Brian Hoare" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 13:14:26 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: Catch the M train... Brian: >Hmmm... I can say I've ever heard any Minor Threat. I feel as if I >should though. This Sunday I have a recording session with Minor >Threat's drummer's new band. They are calling themselves Pretty Picture. >What is a good Minor Threat album to start with? Well, Minor Threat is kind of one of those bands where "seminal" is kind of really the best thing you can say about them. Not that they were bad or anything, but they kind of invented a form of hardcore that has been so widely copied since then that in retrospect it sounds more generic than it did at the time. There's really only one album to be had, "Complete Discography", which is exactly that. >PS: subject title a Pylon reference? Sho' 'nuff it is! Woo woo! Wow, I sure repeated a lot of stuff other people had already said in that last post. Sorry about that. Did y'all know Ray Charles died? - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: multiregional DVD players I bought a multiregional DVD player about 3 years ago, and my friend Miriam is eager to get one, but the company I bought mine from is not answering my e-mail questions about such machines. I think maybe they got in trouble or something. Anyway, does anyone know of any electronics purveyors who are selling them these days? You can answer this off-list. Jill, who has seen Buffy more than a few times and simply does not get the "it" of it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Catch the M train... On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Brian wrote: > Hmmm... I can say I've ever heard any Minor Threat. I feel as if I > should though. You absolutely should. There are, to my mind, five must-have straight punk rock records for literally everyone's record collection and they are Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, Never Mind The Bollocks, Germ-Free Adolescents, Rocket To Russia, and Out Of Step. How about that? I made a serious top-five list! Completely unprompted! > What is a good Minor Threat album to start with? Well, seeing how you can get "Complete Discography" on CD at a very good price, you should probably just get that. It's everything they ever recorded on a single disc. And if you turn it up full blast, it'll still be over before the cops arrive. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:41:18 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: Hrm [I cringe to hear Eric Idle is the Python behind it...he, well, just isn't funny anymore. Eb] NEW YORK (Reuters) - David Hyde Pierce, Tim Curry and Hank Azaria were named on Wednesday as the leading trio for next year's Broadway-bound production of Monty Python's "Spamalot." "Spamalot," to be directed by Oscar and Tony Award winner Mike Nichols, is billed as "the musical lovingly ripped off from the motion picture, 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail,"' the 1975 comedy directed by Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones. It tells the tale of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table and their quest for the Holy Grail. A chorus line of dancing divas and knights, flatulent Frenchmen, killer rabbits and one legless knight are featured. Pierce, who was Dr. Niles Crane in the long-running U.S. sitcom "Frasier," will play Sir Robin. Curry, known for his star turn in the cult film, "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," will play King Arthur. Azaria, best known as the voice of Moe the bartender on the animated series "The Simpsons," will portray Sir Lancelot. The corresponding film roles were performed by Eric Idle, Graham Chapman and John Cleese (news) of the British comedy troupe. Idle wrote the book for the new musical and collaborated on the music and lyrics with John Du Prez, whose film scores include the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" series and the hit, "A Fish Called Wanda." The show is scheduled to have a world premiere engagement in Chicago from Dec. 21, 2004, to Jan. 16, 2005, before beginning Broadway previews on Feb. 7. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:48:14 EDT From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: M bands 1. Moffs 2. MC5 3. Mott The Hoople 4. Move 5. Mission Of Burma 6. Mekons 7. Motorhead (umlauts be damned) 8. Mighty Lemon Drops 9. Miracle Legion 10. Milkshakes m ~ Illigitimi Non Carborundrum! ~ http://www.mitchworldusa.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:00:41 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Catch the Punk train... On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Brian wrote: >> Hmmm... I can say I've ever heard any Minor Threat. I feel as if I >> should though. Jeme came back with: >You absolutely should. There are, to my mind, five must-have straight >punk rock records for literally everyone's record collection and they are >Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, Never Mind The Bollocks, Germ-Free >Adolescents, Rocket To Russia, and Out Of Step. >How about that? I made a serious top-five list! Completely unprompted! Is this the start of the Punk thread? I am still trying to catch up on my Krautrock! Michael B. NP Orange Juice - You Can't Hide Your Love Forever ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:26:50 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: RE: Catch the Orange Juice train... said: > NP Orange Juice - You Can't Hide Your Love Forever Hey! I just got this album in the mail! I was turned on to them after finding one of their 45's hidden in an album that was a thrift store find. I'll have to put this on now... - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:44:01 EDT From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: Re: M bands ...upon hitting send I realized NO Magazine ...so insert Magazine where once stood Miracle Legion. ...the light pours out of me ...m ~ Illigitimi Non Carborundrum! ~ http://www.mitchworldusa.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:24:09 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: RE: Catch the Punk Juice train... > said: >> NP Orange Juice - You Can't Hide Your Love Forever Brian N: >Hey! I just got this album in the mail! I was turned on to them after >finding one of their 45's hidden in an album that was a thrift store >find. I'll have to put this on now... Man, you are the king of nifty thrift-store pickups, huh? I really don't know from Orange Juice... just that Edwyn Collins single that was huge a few years back... I kept hearing he was from Orange Juice, of whom I'd never heard, and then within what seemed like a few months he'd produced a Robert Forster album and released yet another album with Mark E. Smith guesting on it, so I thought, hmmm, he keeps good company... and then sorta forgot all about him. Am I right in thinking that Orange Juice was comparable to Squeeze? I've never been quite as into Squeeze as I feel like I'm supposed to be. Bachman's sure going on a spending spree plugging the holes in his collection... part of me is slightly concerned that some unethical feg is gonna start pitching non-existent, or, worse, totally crap bands and send him on a wild goose chase. Especially now that I've thrown the idea out there. But don't do it! It's not the feg way! Re: "The Dreaded Punk Thread": I'm not sure I'd know a "straight punk" record if I heard one. I know "non-straight" punk when I hear it (the stuff with conditional signifiers like "art-", "-pop", "proto-", "-metal", "noise-" etc.) but outside of a very few clear hardcore originators and countless forgetable copycats, I kinda lose the thread. If the Pistols count, do the Buzzcocks? The recently-discussed minutemen? Was it this list or another one which recently featured the befuddling "X doesn't sound punk to me" thread? - -Rex np. "Eine Kleine Hardkore Musik: Original Artyfacts from the First Kraut-Punk Era" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 18:25:17 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: STG? Is Sharing the Groove down? I can't seem to access it. Max _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:54:01 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: M and Jennings Eb flowed: >But aren't you going to gripe at me for not including the Mchurch and the >Mtriffids? I'm far more concerned that you didn't mention the Moomins! :) Why do you assume that I live only for those two bands, when I mention others far more on this list? Since the Church would only just make my top 10 artists beginning with C, I doubt they'd get into a top ten of M. (Chills, Curve, Clean, Julian Cope, Elvis Costello, Clash, John Cale, and Nick Cave would all be ahead of them). Similarly with the Triffids, I'd put them behind Tangerine Dream, Talking Heads, Toy Love, Richard Thompson, and Traffic, and possibly also Throwing Muses. I did however somehow miss the Magick Heads (which I tend to lump in with the Bats, for some reason), even though I know Bob Scott well enough not to do that. Michael B queried: >Good choices all. I am going to buy some of The Monochrome Set next. >What ones should I start with? If you can find it there's a CD called "Colour transmission" which combines two albums, "Love zombies" and "Strange boutique". It's a great starting poing, although my personal favourite is probably "Eligible bachelors". >No one suggested Madness yet? I don't have anything by them, so I couldn't >say if they belong or not. there are several bands I'm surprised not to have seen mentioned. ISTR a long thread about Mercury Rev not that long ago, f'rinstance. And no-one's mentioned the Moody Blues, I think. - --- > >> Anthony Buckeridge, 92, author of the Jennings books. > >> > > >I find it very strange that I'd never heard of him or of his books. I read >the obit and it specifically mentions "Most were also published in >translation, with the French (Jennings is renamed Bennett), German (Fredy) >and Norwegian (Stompa) as the most popular.". On amazon.de I find that >there were in fact lots of volumes titled "Immer dieser Fredy" etc., >although all of them are now out of print. What I find so surprising is >that I don't remember seeing them in the local public library as a kid. I >basically read every book they had in the children's section, most of all >the complete works of Enid Blyton. I feel exactly the same. For me it was the Blyton books and Richmal Crompton's William books. Somehow Jennings completely eluded me. - --- >It's summer, there's a little gecko clinging to the ceiling. Go, >gecko, go! Eat some bugs, but watch out for the cats! lucky. It's mid winter and there are rats scrabbling about in the attic. I don't like killing animals, but... >Wish we had geckos. All we get is eentsy snakes. Mind you, our >big-fuck-off lumbering snapping turtles the size of footstools means >we're sorted testudinateously. we don't have any snakes. In the whole country. The nearest are in Australia (and many of them are in high office). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:57:13 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Julianna Hatfield Kathy and I went to see Julianna Hatfield last night. Not one of my favorites(Kathy's pick) but I think she's okay. I have to say that when I saw the Blake Babies reunion tour she was skinny but now she looks frightening. If she does not have a serious eating disorder I would be surprised. She looks like a skeleon in pants. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get tips for maintaining your PC, notebook accessories and reviews in Technology 101. http://special.msn.com/tech/technology101.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:50:23 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: M and Jennings >Eb flowed: > >>But aren't you going to gripe at me for not including the Mchurch and the >>Mtriffids? James: >I'm far more concerned that you didn't mention the Moomins! :) > >Why do you assume that I live only for those two bands, when I >mention others far more on this list? Hey, Eb's been doing a lot of running and he's probably tired... he's allowed the occasional bit of sloppy snark. I'd just like to say that The Soft Boys are definitely among my favorite bands whose names start with "The". Throwing Muses don't even rate at all, although some people think they should be eligible. And Kimberly Rew is one of my top five favorite guitarists whose name is not an anagram for "Go Gecko Go". - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:00:18 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: Re: M and Jennings From: "Rex Broome" > > Hey, Eb's been doing a lot of running and he's probably tired... he's allowed the occasional bit of sloppy snark. I'd reply to this, but I'm out the door to run six miles. Sorry. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: M and Jennings On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, James Dignan wrote: > If you can find it there's a CD called "Colour transmission" which > combines two albums, "Love zombies" and "Strange boutique". It's a great > starting poing, although my personal favourite is probably "Eligible > bachelors". As I think some other people mentioned, a disc containing those two albums is known as Tomorrow Will Be Too Long in some places. No idea why the twofer was issued twice under two names (once claiming to be a "Best Of") so there may be sound-quality differences, but it's basically the same thing. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:54:34 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: mmm, bop Eb: > I think your list is even stranger. MOLLY HATCHET??? No, it's more like MOL-LY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCHET! Given the choice of the best two albums by them or by Mott the Hoople, I sure know which I'd take. I can't imagine the Hoople making a 'best-of' list that I create, other than perhaps "Top 5 band names that include a juice brand." that wacky Northerner Jeff writes: > I've tried several times, but I still can't get my head around metal - > apparently I'm not as in touch w/my inner 13-year-old... I'd say it's more 15-19, but I understand your point. I think there's a certain age that really appreciates classic metal...being just old enough to have heard early Sabbath - and then fully absorbing Judas Priest and Motorhead - but in the end be young enough to appreciate Iron Maiden and the buzz saw of Metallica in their prime. Nothing to take away from that wacky speed metal and rap that the kids have nowadays... more, re: Mano Negra > Are you serious? Of course. Didn't I buy "Puta's Fever" in one of your $1 'selling-out-to-the-bare-walls' CD blowouts? Stone groove, man. and yet more, piling on the abuse: > I suspect there's a Camaro parked in your driveway, a "wifebeater"* in > your closet, and a barber wringing his hands in frustration at the > back-side of your haircut... ;) Jeff, I'm deeply offended and I think there's no place for that on this list. It's a TRANS AM you knucklehead. and finally: > You put these guys on for the ladies, right? Do you have "Nights in > White Satin" on 8-track, dude? Only for aging hippie chicks who live in Lakeview, work in holistic bookstores, and bitch non-stop about people parking in front of their two-flat during Cubs games. Gauranteed action. The rest of the time it's Barry White. Dunno about scaring up that particular 8/t, but with prodding I might be able to dredge up "Venus and Mars," "Great Gonzos" or "Vol.4" if you'ld like. And later, mebbe we can go skitching out the hatch of my buddies Gremlin... Mr. ME observes: > 2. MC5 > 6. Mekons > 7. Motorhead (umlauts be damned) Thank you! And never curse an umlaut, you might need one for spelling David Immergluck. Speaking of which: Rex: >>Monks of Doom > Only for being begotten by Camper Van Beethoven... After being fully turned on them by Ed, I'll say their contribution rates a bit more highly than that. Interestingly, David went on to play guitar - among other many other things - for John Hiatt and Counting Crows. Weird. Ken: > Absolutely. And did I mention Mercyland? :) No, but it appears I missed some surefire winners too... Montrose (ok, it was only 1 great album) Mercyful Fate (King Diamond fans unite) Mr. Mister (eh) Mountain (Leslie West fans unite, then head straight for the bar) Michael Schenker Group (can't see how I missed this) Mamas and the Papas (papa's brand new bag) Moby Martha and the Vandellas Men at Work (not my cup of cider) Men Without Hats (yes!) Marillion (no!) Michael "mmm...soup!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: This ain't rock'n'roll, this is angioplasty ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:44:38 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Coming out of dormancy to say... Quail writes: > Goddamn, this new Rush CD fucking *rocks!!!* It certainly does in spots...but I'm not completely sold on it yet. I think my opinion is colored by the fact that I was not happy to hear four songs on the current tour being given over to covers, and also that a couple of the choices ("Shapes of Things," "Seven and Seven Is") don't lay out out any new ground at all...in fact, I think they're marginal at best. OTOH, they flat kill "Summertime Blues" and "The Seeker," and I really like how "For What It's Worth" turned out...a pleasant surprise there. Lifeson is all over this thing. > was like finding out that a feature film of "Shadow Over Innsmouth" would be > directed by David Cronenberg rather than Renny Harlin. Good one. Who *would* be the best Lovecraft director? Cronenberg, probably. I could see David Lynch taking a stab at it, what with the fog, strange characters and omnipresent sense of foreboding...though there's that first person thing, and a noticeable lack of strange hair and lesbians. I'd be interested to see what Kyle Cooper - the guy who's done the title sequences for movies like Spiderman and Seven - would do with it, though I don't know if he does full-length films. Michael "more Lovecraft is more better" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:34:37 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Coming out of dormancy to say... On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 10:44 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > Good one. Who *would* be the best Lovecraft director? Cronenberg, > probably. > I could see David Lynch taking a stab at it, what with the fog, strange > characters and omnipresent sense of foreboding...though there's that > first > person thing, and a noticeable lack of strange hair and lesbians. > Guy Maddin. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:38:08 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Catch the M train... > Speaking of the much-maligned Mondays (who, if really named that, > would surely be one of the hottest new indie bands on Warner > Brothers)... I just received my Tago Mago yesterday (sales up 200% > from last week on the basis of Feg purchases alone), and... has anyone > ever cited Can as a major influence on Shaun Ryder? It seems like a > kind of arty touchstone for him, but I swear there are things that > Suzuki does on that record which are precise antecedents for Ryder's > vocal and lyrical pastiche style. > > Wha--??? I guess I'll be listening to Happy Mondays for the first time ever... Any advice on that? Don't worry, I won't be paying money for it. > > Has nobody nominated Massive Attack? I think they, alongside MBV, > landed an album in my personal All-Time Top 10 the last time I tried > one. Which album? I recently got 100th Window and was really impressed with how they've evolved/convoluted since the first record. Further listening required to truly parse the thing. Jon Lewis (now the proud owner of the recent Mick Middles book on The Fall) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:43:14 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: mmm, bop and more Krautrock > On the I can't believe I didn't have this one before front: Zombies - > Odessey and Oracle, also just ordered. > > Michael B. > Nice. That thing's got one of my all-time favorite album-openers. And one of my all-time favorite album-opener beginnings. I could listen to that bloke sing "g'd'morning to you I HOPE you're feeling" all day. I currently have the Zombie Heaven mix of O&O... what's the deal with this one? It doesn't sound quite like I remembered... Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:15:45 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: Re: mmm, bop From: "Michael Wells" > No, it's more like MOL-LY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCHET! Given the choice of the best > two albums by them or by Mott the Hoople, I sure know which I'd take. I > can't imagine the Hoople making a 'best-of' list that I create, other than > perhaps "Top 5 band names that include a juice brand." Yes, I gathered that you prefered Molly Hatchet over Mott the Hoople, based on your preceding post. > After being fully turned on them by Ed, I'll say their contribution rates a > bit more highly than that. Interestingly, David went on to play guitar - > among other many other things - for John Hiatt and Counting Crows. Weird. Actually, I believe mandolin is his primary instrument. > Montrose (ok, it was only 1 great album) > Mercyful Fate (King Diamond fans unite) > Mr. Mister (eh) > Mountain (Leslie West fans unite, then head straight for the bar) > Michael Schenker Group (can't see how I missed this) > Men at Work (not my cup of cider) > Men Without Hats (yes!) > Marillion (no!) Lordy. Passssssssssss. I prefer Mrs. Miller, thanks. Blah. I've been running like crap, ever since the 10K. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:20:49 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Catch the Punk Juice train... On Jul 8, 2004, at 5:24 PM, Rex Broome wrote: > Am I right in thinking that Orange Juice was comparable to Squeeze? > I've never been quite as into Squeeze as I feel like I'm supposed to > be. Based only on YCHYLF, I've always thought they should appeal to fans of The Monochrome Set and Felt. - - Steve __________ Bush may look like a well-meaning dolt. On consideration, he's something far more dangerous: a dedicated fool. - Jacob Weisberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:34:16 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: multiregional DVD players On Jul 8, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > I bought a multiregional DVD player about 3 years ago, and my friend > Miriam is eager to get one, but the company I bought mine from is not > answering my e-mail questions about such machines. I think maybe they > got > in trouble or something. Anyway, does anyone know of any electronics > purveyors who are selling them these days? You can answer this > off-list. Off list? Everybody needs an all-region DVD player. also a great source of films, along with . And . - - Steve __________ I know that it's cynical, but I feel that civil liberties-for a lot of these people in Congress-are either an inconvenience or a campaign slogan. They care only about money and power. - Wil Wheaton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: mmm, bop "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Fortissimo wrote: > >>Ministry > > no freakin way, dude... > > *way*, dude. One of my favourite mix CDs alternates > Ministry with mountain banjo. For some reason, this triggered an earwurm of "Stigmata" being played on banjoes. "Oh you have empty eyes..." ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:00:47 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: M and Jennings >On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, James Dignan wrote: > >> If you can find it there's a CD called "Colour transmission" which >> combines two albums, "Love zombies" and "Strange boutique". It's a great >> starting poing, although my personal favourite is probably "Eligible >> bachelors". > >As I think some other people mentioned, a disc containing those two albums >is known as Tomorrow Will Be Too Long in some places. No idea why the >twofer was issued twice under two names (once claiming to be a "Best Of") >so there may be sound-quality differences, but it's basically the same >thing. Not seen TWBTL - is it the entire two albums? I'm wondering whether my "starting poing" typo will catch on... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:37:28 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: Move any mountain. >From: Michael R Godwin >Whoa. Apparently this isn't as cut and dried as I thought. > goes the same way (as do >Cowper and Rabelais), but apparently Virgil originally stacked them the >other way: > > >Interesting!(?) I should have guessed that a prep school master wouldn't >get this wrong. I have located Virgil's quote in context and it seems to refer to the same tale as Homer recalls in Odyssey book X1. The order of stacking in the Odyssey is contained in At nine years old nine cubits they were driven Abroad in breadth, and sprung nine fathoms high. They threaten'd to give battle to the sky, 425 And all th' Immortals. They were setting on Ossa upon Olympus, and upon Steep Ossa leavy Pelius, that even *leavy == leafy They might a highway make with lofty heaven; And had perhaps perform'd it, had they lived 430 Till they were striplings; but Jove's son deprived Their limbs of life, before th' age that begins The flower of youth, and should adorn their chins. (trans Chapman). perhaps: a: This feat has been attempted twice. b: Between Homer and Virgil the story got misread, mistranslated, miscopied. c: Everyone else has mistranslated Homer. I haven't the greek text to hand, maybe it is ambiguous and a tradition of translation has since been established. d: Homer was not Virgil's source. Also in the full Virgil quote eg. "Three times, indeed, they tried to pile Ossa on Pelion,and roll wooded Olympus on top of Ossa:" (trans A.S.Kline) the wooded or leafy onel goes on top. "To pile mtnA on mtnB" could also be used to express "don't attempt something until you are ready". Brian. np Mile Davis, Bitches Brew (and a bloody fine brew it is too). _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups  now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #200 ********************************