From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #196 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 6 2004 Volume 13 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: plodplodplodplod... [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #195 [James Dignan ] Re: Odd Googling [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Odd Googling [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Odd Googling [Dolph Chaney ] Google gets creepy [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Odd Googling [Tom Clark ] anton barbeau uk tour [fingerpuppets ] New York Dolls [Ken Weingold ] if you know time mp3 [fingerpuppets ] Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? ["The Mammal Brain" ] Lego + Spiderman = COOL [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? ["Eb" ] Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? ["Fortissimo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 01:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: plodplodplodplod... On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Randalljr wrote: > Agreed. I've been bicycling to and from work for years. Currently, > doing 20 miles per day. Right on, Vince! > As far as getting places other than the start line, I'll be doing the > Seattle to Portland bicycle thingy on the 16th and 17th of this month. > Any Portland area Fegs are welcome to buy dinner for a long haired, > sweaty Indian on that Sunday night : ) I'd gladly hook you up, man. And there's a better than slim chance that a certain cycling former feg in Portland will be on the ride (and riding to the ride the previous day!), so we might arrange a small mass. Let me know your plans. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:48:49 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #195 one of the Michael Wellses wrote: >Good lord, Ferris, this is the most alarming thing I've seen in ages. > >That's clearly not me, second from left, as part of the 'classic' Walkabouts >lineup c.1996 http://www.thewalkabouts.com/images/FIELDBG.JPG nor here, as >Treasurer of the American Associaton of Grant Professionals, fourth from top >http://www.grantprofessionals.org/Unassigned/executiveboard.htm and of course >that's not me here either, dealing out chemistry grades with an iron fist >http://biology.campbell.edu/~chemistry/faculty/wells/ > >I'm not helping people write that great American novel >http://www.amdesgraphics.com/mw/Bookmentor/index.html tuturing young offensive >linemen >http://www.anselm.edu/athletics/athletic+teams/football-men/coaches.htm nor >acting in my capacity as Regents Professor in the University of Arizona's >Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics >http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/CatalystWebsite/Spring03/Faces.html > >Somehow this is all a bit relieving, despite the fact that Roberta was able to >Google up my cdr tradelist with alarming ease when she needed to ask me a >question. At least my picture's a little harder to find ;) > >But wait...what's this? http://www.theos-place.com/tickets/gallery2.htm well, I've recently discovered that apparently I'm Professor of Criminology and Restorative Justice at the Centre for Criminological and Legal Research, so anything's possible. Most bizarrely, at this site it is shown that he talked at a conference in Hong Kong alongside Dr Gabrielle Maxwell - who taught me psychology here at Otago University. The world is not only smaller than we imagine, it is stranger, too. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:25:12 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Odd Googling I am not a high school reporter, a pediatrician or a member of the Sea World team. I am not an actress nor a 30 - 34 year old 5K runner in Florida. I am not a vice chair of a government committee on defense and national security. I am surprised to find I have received a grant to study at SUNY in New Paltz however. Fun with google. Be Seeing You, - - c On 04/lug/04, at 22:22, Michael Wells wrote: > Good lord, Ferris, this is the most alarming thing I've seen in ages. > > That's clearly not me, second from left, as part of the 'classic' > Walkabouts > lineup c.1996 http://www.thewalkabouts.com/images/FIELDBG.JPG nor > here, as > Treasurer of the American Associaton of Grant Professionals, fourth > from top > http://www.grantprofessionals.org/Unassigned/executiveboard.htm and of > course > that's not me here either, dealing out chemistry grades with an iron > fist > http://biology.campbell.edu/~chemistry/faculty/wells/ > > I'm not helping people write that great American novel > http://www.amdesgraphics.com/mw/Bookmentor/index.html tuturing young > offensive > linemen > http://www.anselm.edu/athletics/athletic+teams/football-men/ > coaches.htm nor > acting in my capacity as Regents Professor in the University of > Arizona's > Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics > http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/CatalystWebsite/Spring03/Faces.html > > Somehow this is all a bit relieving, despite the fact that Roberta was > able to > Google up my cdr tradelist with alarming ease when she needed to ask > me a > question. At least my picture's a little harder to find ;) > > But wait...what's this? http://www.theos-place.com/tickets/gallery2.htm > > Whew... > > Michael "there's a damn good reason why you can't find it" Wells > > ************************************** "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." ************************************** C. Galbraith / Ketone Press meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Odd Googling I am not a fictional botanist and poet in a feminist[?] utopian novel about a lost civilization where there weren't any men (reviewed about a billion times). http://www.readbookonline.net/title/289/ ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 06:51:00 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Odd Googling Even I, believe it or not, have a found namesake via Google. In my case, I was not "up from Afton to help us scream for the red, white and blue" in 1911. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:23:57 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Google gets creepy So I thought I'd google my whole name, you know, middle name included. Found: one entry for a legal document pertaining to a lawsuit from 1985. I didn't know this stuff was out there (and have never seen all the documents from that trail myself). That creeps me out. - - c *************************************************** "Patagonia is what's left, Patagonia, which befits my immense sadness, Patagonia and a trip to the South Seas" *************************************************** C. Galbraith / Ketone Press meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:08:00 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Odd Googling On Jul 5, 2004, at 4:25 AM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > I am not a high school reporter, a pediatrician or a member of the Sea > World team. I am not an actress nor a 30 - 34 year old 5K runner in > Florida. I am not a vice chair of a government committee on defense > and national security. I am surprised to find I have received a grant > to study at SUNY in New Paltz however. > I am not a nineteenth century outlaw hanged in 1872: < http://travel.nostalgiaville.com/Alabama/florence/fl438.jpg > Nor am I the leader of an up and coming rock band: < http://www.tomclarkandthehighactionboys.com/ > Nor am I a renown golf course designer: < http://www.acagolf.com/staff/tom_clark.htm > I am, however, a guy who drives a minivan: < http://www.njaz.com/fegfotos/gallery/fegmobile--1.htm > I'm not even going to mention the lame comedian who stole my domain, nor the guy who makes those weird little gnomes... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:18:29 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: anton barbeau uk tour >............................................................................ > > >ANTON BARBEAU UK TOUR, JULY 2004. > > > ...like Bob Dylan fronting some great lost British freak-beat band. - The >Sunday Times > >...darkly intelligent anti-pop of the highest order. - Logo > >A stellar display of psychedelic power-pop.- Pennyblack Music > >...this man is a brilliant storyteller with all the vivid efficacy of a >well-read, eccentric, solitary treehugger on acid. - Spin.com > > > >FOR GIG DATES, PLEASE VISIT: >http://www.antonbarbeau.com/gigbag.html > >FOR A GOOD TIME, PLEASE VISIT: >http://www.logo-magazine.com/albums/display.asp?AlbumID=2773 > >cheers, > >ant >............................................................................ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:37:56 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: New York Dolls Does anyone by any chance have an MP3 or whatever of the song Private World from the Dolls? I only have it on vinyl and would rather not go through the trouble of transfering it for only one song. Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:25:13 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: if you know time mp3 as noted in the latest "blast of hot air" , wfmu has placed a mp3 of the soft boys playing "if you know time" from their appearance on brian turner's program back in 2002 up on ye olde web: >THE SOFT BOYS "IF YOU KNOW TIME" >http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/BL/BL_Soft_Boys_-_If_You_Know_Time.mp3 >Unreleased song finds Robyn Hitchcock speaking directly to our own >Commander in Chief; this is from a performance on Brian's show on WFMU in >2002 and on the recently released WFMU fundraiser live anthology "Tunes On >Toxic Terrain: WFMU Live From New Jersey". Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberley Rew, >Matthew Seligman, Morris Windsor, engineered by Irene Trudel. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:08:14 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? <<>> <> jeez. that's gotta be the most ignominious climb-down in your history on fegmaniax. better to have simply ignored that particular "point of contention". it's overrated. on the other hand, if there were to be an "all-time oscars", the first "nomination" (in the acting categories, anyway) that comes to mind would be brando's performance in The Godfather. difficult to identify any other dead-solid locks. maybe george c. scott in Dr. Strangelove... can you explain its appeal, for someone who *has* seen it? just a matter of taste, i guess. but, after reading and hearing so much about how great it was (including, of course, here), i was so terribly excited when the library added the season one dvd to its collection. then, i couldn't...believe...how...fucking...lame...it...was. so, i thought, they must not have had their legs under them during the first season (despite whedon's insufferable pretentiousness on the commentary tracks), and tried out season two. i was only mildly surprised to find how...fucking...lame...it...was. was there ever a more formulaic show in teevee history? let's see: some monsters come up out of the hell-mouth and kill some kids at the high school. (yeah, i'm sure my high school would've stayed in session even after *weekly* killings, and the friggin' principal getting eaten...and i'm sure my parents would've been all too happy to continue sending me there.) the gang congregates in the library so the librarian can look up the behaviour in his reference sources. willow gets a bunch of crap off of "the computer". and then buffy goes and kicks their asses. add water and repeat...and repeat...and repeat...and repeat. and was there ever a *pair* of more annoying characters (on the same show) in teevee history than xander and willow? christ. those two should've been rounded up along with whoever wrote the moronic dialogue for the shows, and fed to the vampires. *that* would've been worth watching. "claptrap" is *far* too charitable in my opinion. i've been thinking more about this. it seems to me that, not only is the art of special effects regressing, but in general, the filmmaker is being gradually constricted in his or her ability to put cool and magical images on the screen. black-and-white movies are more less history. but why? can you possibly imagine Citizen Kane, or Casablanca, or The Rules Of The Game, or The Last Picture Show, or Lolita, etc., in colour? yet out of the scores of movies that are made every year, is it really plausible to think that only one every five years or so would be appropriately filmed in black-and-white? the cinerama process is dead, and 70mm is all-but. so, there will never be another visual spectacle to match Lawrence Of Arabia. (unless it's generated entirely by computer, then projected onto a wide screen. how long before something like that is possible? 50 years? 100 years? what happens to the filmmakers who, in the meantime, have a vision the equal of david lean's? you know, maybe peter jackson even *could have been* such a visionary. suppose he'd been allocated a budget to shoot three four-hour films, with optical effects, in 70mm?) in his commentary for the film, scorsese doubts that anything like the massive set built for Gangs Of New York will ever again be attempted. i suppose location shooting will be the next to go. and then celluloid itself will be discarded. (then, maybe, there'll be a butlerian jihad...) is there such a thing? i've never heard tell of it, and certainly gilliam never makes reference to it in his Meaning Of Life commentary. <<>> <> you seem to be smoking animal crackers again. (or, more likely, you've not seen the films in question, but nevertheless have some pre-conceived idea of what they look like.) but don't take my word for it: check the IMDB. there are something like 110 effects credits listed in Hudsucker's record. . "Moore: pirate my film, no problem Fury as Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-profit downloads" . of course, as i have understood the term, it couldn't be called "piracy" unless one *were to* profit from it. right? "piracy" is copying available material, and selling it oneself. "bootlegging" is selling copies of unavailable material. and if you're *not* profiting from it, i believe it's properly called "sharing". (which could itself be considered illegal or not. but at least we should get our terminology straight.) KEN "Me and my charms" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:15:08 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Lego + Spiderman = COOL Geez, i've already started one monster thread in the past week (which I haven't had the chance to respond to) but this is a fun link to check out, especially if you liked Spiderman2: http://www.spiteyourface.com/spidey.html - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:55:59 -0700 From: "Eb" Subject: Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? , gettin' all itchy in the usual way: Argh. Wrote a previous response to this post, and accidentally deleted it. The second try is always inferior to the first. > < Bad Boys (or anything else, really), Bruce Willis in Die Hard, and Geena > Davis in The Long Kiss Goodnight. They all do things that regular people > could never do.>> > > reply.> > > jeez. that's gotta be the most ignominious climb-down in your history on > fegmaniax. better to have simply ignored that particular "point of > contention". I'm not quite sure what you mean by the term "climb-down," but if you and/or Jeme want to play too-cool contrarian and pretend there's no difference between an action character who extracts himself from predicaments in unlikely ways and an action character who has directly acknowledged supernatural powers, then I'm really not too interested in playing your rhetorical games. Personally, I'm a lot more engaged by a well-drawn, three-dimensional Sheriff Brody who happens to kill a shark in a far-fetched manner than an inarticulate, one-dimensional Halle Berry lumbering around in a snazzy bodysuit and glowing white eyes. Your own mileage may vary. > it's overrated. on the other hand, if there were to be an "all-time > oscars", the first "nomination" (in the acting categories, anyway) that > comes to mind would be brando's performance in The Godfather. difficult to > identify any other dead-solid locks. "Raging Bull"? I think the most recent acting job I saw which really blew me away was James Cagney in "One, Two, Three." Wow. Totally electric. > was there ever a more formulaic show in teevee history? let's see: some > monsters come up out of the hell-mouth and kill some kids at the high > school. (yeah, i'm sure my high school would've stayed in session even > after *weekly* killings, and the friggin' principal getting eaten...and i'm > sure my parents would've been all too happy to continue sending me there.) > the gang congregates in the library so the librarian can look up the > behaviour in his reference sources. willow gets a bunch of crap off of > "the computer". and then buffy goes and kicks their asses. add water and > repeat...and repeat...and repeat...and repeat. Heh. I liked some other aspects (witty dialogue, emotional chemistry, etc.), but the above would be primary among my misgivings. There were some periods of the show when it was "must-see TV" for me, but it would never rank among my all-time favorites. It was just a fun little ride. I never believed that it was a show for "adults," though of course the fanatics would dispute this until their dying breaths. Anyway, the cast included *David Boreanaz* at one point. Enough said! ;) > < some pretty eye-popping visuals, too; though Hudsucker is a true special > effects masterwork.>> > > folks.> > > you seem to be smoking animal crackers again. (or, more likely, you've not > seen the films in question, but nevertheless have some pre-conceived idea > of what they look like.) but don't take my word for it: check the IMDB. > there are something like 110 effects credits listed in Hudsucker's record. > . I've seen the films though, frankly, I don't remember Hudsucker Proxy that well. I liked it at the time, but it didn't resonate for me in the long run. But I think you'd have a pretty hard time finding people who casually refer to it as a "special effects film." The general take is something more along the lines of "throwback to the old screwball comedies," etc. Based on the films you're citing above, I guess you categorize flashy tracking shots and the like as "special effects," but I don't really share that view. Anyway, if I recall correctly, you didn't even *like* O Brother much, so.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:10:10 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Uncle Junior's summer gig? On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:08:14 -0700, "The Mammal Brain" said: > terms of scenario, character, and plot) completely fails to convey what's > actually good about the work. That is, Buffy (for example) is utterly > ridiculous (intentionally so) in description - but I don't suppose it > surprises anyone here to hear me say that it's quite possibly the best TV > show ever in terms of overall effectiveness.> > > can you explain its appeal, for someone who *has* seen it? just a matter > of taste, i guess. > was there ever a more formulaic show in teevee history? let's see: some > monsters come up out of the hell-mouth and kill some kids at the high > school. (yeah, i'm sure my high school would've stayed in session even > after *weekly* killings, and the friggin' principal getting eaten...and > i'm > sure my parents would've been all too happy to continue sending me > there.) > the gang congregates in the library so the librarian can look up the > behaviour in his reference sources. willow gets a bunch of crap off of > "the computer". and then buffy goes and kicks their asses. add water > and > repeat...and repeat...and repeat...and repeat. As you say, it's a matter of taste. But what I and other fans read as playing with genre conventions, you read as merely reiterating them. The show doesn't attempt to be realistic in the ways you implyl (school stays in session, etc.) although occasionally they did acknowledge the huge dose of denial necessary to continue (in quasi-realistic mindset) in the wake of frequent hellish weirdness. To the extent that the show *does* stick to the formula you describe, it was weaker than when it would tweak those things - and yes, to me anyway Season 1 finds them taking a while to get everything set. > and was there ever a *pair* of more annoying characters (on the same > show) > in teevee history than xander and willow? christ. those two should've > been rounded up along with whoever wrote the moronic dialogue for the > shows, and fed to the vampires. *that* would've been worth watching. YMMV. I like the fact that the characters developed and changed (most of them) over the run of the series, and the way the show played with multiple genres including horror, teen-oriented afterschool special, thriller, etc. etc. It's not easy to turn on a dime from a fight scene to a comic scene to an emotionally-involved dramatic scene, and have them all work - - but the show did that, and more, frequently. I dunno - it probably *wouldn't* work for you, because much of their impact is, in fact, rooted in character (that is, much of what goes on would be imperceptible to folks not familiar with those characters), but if you watch "Hush," "The Body," and "Once More with Feeling" (the musical episode), you might get some idea of the show's range and appeal. Then again, I've never gotten enough into a lot of the Japanese animation some folks discuss here to really appreciate it - what I've seen leaves me cold, etc. - but I wouldn't, therefore, describe it as "trash" just because it doesn't appeal to me. Hey, Chris, Miles, are you guys here? Help me out, eh? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #196 ********************************