From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #187 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 187 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Listy-wisty.... [Dolph Chaney ] Wow! Maybe someone needs to introduce him to Bobby Sherman? [Eb ] Several species of small furry annimals gathered in a cave and grooving in Canada and Iceland [James Dignan <] Re: Wow! Maybe someone needs to introduce him to Bobby Sherman? [Jeff Dwa] Re: Celsius -1715/99 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Celsius -1715/99 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Listy-wisty.... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] And finally ... friendly dog story ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Listy-wisty.... [Jon Lewis ] Re: reap - and top 100 [James Dignan ] Re: Listy-wisty.... [Eb ] Re: Celsius -1715/99 [Jeff Dwarf ] a ghost is born opinions? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: reap - and top 100 ["craigie*" ] oh yeah - I went to England and came back [Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... At 08:06 PM 6/26/2004, Eb wrote: >6: Kraftwerk/Trans-Europe Express I've been on a Kraftwerk kick this year, and this is the one of theirs I play most. As Stewart says, it's kind of subdued but also very focused -- almost an obsessive, simmering mood which is very compelling. >69: Faust/IV I'm a little surprised that this is the one Faust rekkid which made the top 100; it's the least daring of their first 4. I really like the pacing of IV, though -- start with a 12-minute churning epic drone piece, then immediately undercut it with a 3-minute cod-reggae silliness and usher in a few more miniatures of various moods. For once, Pitchfork seem to have made a list based on whether records are influential AND enjoyable, rather than just trying to look cool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:44:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Wow! Maybe someone needs to introduce him to Bobby Sherman? Former Van Halen rocker David Lee Roth has quit music to become a paramedic. The 48-year-old singer started out in the medical profession before finding fame as a rock superstar -- and now he's made his millions he wants to return to his roots. Roth tells American news site the Dailydish.com, "I used to be a surgical orderly in South Central L.A. I started that when I got out of junior college in the early '70s, and that led to a variety of things in the outdoor medical fire force and training with the Green Berets (U.S. Special Forces). "My father was a surgeon, and uncles and my cousins were also in the medical community, so I come by it natural." Roth has moved from California to New York, and is living in a small apartment while he trains as an emergency medical technician. He adds, "I want to be working in the outer boroughs. This city promises great color and insight in each and every neighborhood. "On the upper East Side, it's gonna be heart attacks and stomach aches. But in other neighborhoods, it's all trauma." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:53:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... >> 13: Nick Drake/Pink Moon >> 55: Nick Drake/Bryter Layter > > dear oh dear, Eb, you disappoint me ... ;-) I have some "issues" with Nick Drake, which kept me from investigating him for awhile. 1) My primary exposure to Nick Drake was years ago, at D.'s apartment. She frequently listened to him. At the time, I was instantly turned off by the musty orchestrations and dated production values. I didn't know until years later that his most acclaimed album was a more naked, solo-guitar disc. 2) I was in extended, ruinous, unrequited love with aforementioned D., and hearing Drake still makes me think of her. 3) On top of everything else, D. later tried to kill herself. Ironic, no? So I have *that* unpleasant memory to choke back, too. So, to sum up: Musty strings + romantic agony + life-and-death shocker = prolonged avoidance of Nick Drake. Now that the #2 and #3 scars are a bit crustier (D. is fairly happy now, thanks for asking), I suppose it comes back to those pesky strings. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:43:30 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Several species of small furry annimals gathered in a cave and grooving in Canada and Iceland >And on to Martha and the Muffins debate: Canadian content is there all >right - their one and only popular song was "Echo Beach" and it's in the >cottage country of Ontario. The laconic lyric - "My job is very boring, >I'm an office clerk" is so very Canadian. ISTR their album cover featured a map of downtown Toronto, too. >Really, now? Well, that's certainly my thing learned for today. >Please direct me to an MP3 for further enlightenment. Come now, I know >some entity must have an online archive for small-mammal mating sounds >of Britain. In fact wasn't that one of the organizations mentioned in >the first song of the Kinks album? The British Small Mammal Mating >Sound Appreciation Repository? Their headquarters are in the village of Much Sqeaking, in the county of Hamstersex. >1. Bjork - Vespertine >um... not a Sigur Ros fan, then? James (finally realising he's not the only fan of "Goodbye Cruel World") - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wow! Maybe someone needs to introduce him to Bobby Sherman? Eb wrote: > Former Van Halen rocker David Lee Roth has quit music to > become a paramedic. The 48-year-old singer started out > in the medical profession before finding fame as a rock > superstar -- and now he's made his millions he wants to > return to his roots. I guess he's taking Sammy Hagar's return to Van Halen harder than we all thought. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Celsius -1715/99 - --- "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > (we're metric up here, y'see) fine, but 9 F is -27 C; 11 F is -25.9 C. > Recently back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11. Better than I > thought it would be. Less Michael Moore in it than his > previous films. > > It's still a bit scattershot in places -- suddenly cuts > from one scene to the Oregon coast, where there's only > one trooper on part-time patrol, with not much of an > explanation. I also thought he could've done less > filming of the bereaved mother breaking down at the White > House. I thought the bereaved mother stuff was fine. The moron in Oakland who was visited by the FBI for saying Bush was a bigger asshole than bin Laden...yeah, it's outrageous that the FBI is wasting their time on something like that, but Moore should have found a different example since most people are going to dwell on what a prat he is instead of noticing that it's outrageous for the FBI to conduct investigate someone, even briefly, just was making a ridiculous assersion of how big an asshole Bush may or may not be. "F9/11" is less sloppy than Moore usually is. He's less omnipresent. The stuff from Iraq is just scary. I think he overplays how tranquil things were pre-invasion, but that's a pretty minor flaw. The congressmen squirming about their kids not serving was glorious, though I think he should have mentioned the one member of Congress whose has a child on active duty at the moment (I believe it's Sen Joe Biden, Delaware, but I'm not sure). I don't know that I agree with all of Moore's conclusions - -- I think if the Bush regime were as intentionally nefarious as Moore thinks they are, they would probably be better at it. When push comes to shove I think the biggest problem with Bushistas is their narcissism, lack of intellectual curiousity, and inability to contemplate their own limitations. It's not mere stupidity; that could be solved and dealt with somehow. It's self-righteousness, laziness, and willful deafness. That's not to say that there aren't bad intentions at play of course, but I think it's more complication than Moore does. > For me, it underlines the close links between the Bush > and Binladen dynasties. I just hope enough people see it > in Canada so they don't vote for that micro-Bush rube, > Harper, in Monday's election. The out-of-the-way strip > mall cineplex where we saw it had two screens running, > and they were full. The credits drew applause. > > There are two appropriately icky bits: > > * the nastiness of war in Iraq (blood and gore, pain and > screaming) > > * Wolfowitz licking his comb. It's really eww. Wolfowitz doing anything is pretty damn icky. > Go and see it. Please don't let anyone else make your > mind up for you about this movie. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:12:47 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Celsius -1715/99 Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > fine, but 9 F is -27 C; 11 F is -25.9 C. Yes, but 9/11 F (= 0.8182 F) is -17.32 C (= -1715/99 C). > Wolfowitz doing anything is pretty damn icky. Yes, I'd agree there. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:14:53 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... Eb wrote: > > So, to sum up: Musty strings + romantic agony + life-and-death shocker = > prolonged avoidance of Nick Drake. Makes sense. There's some ghastly mellow saxophones on some of the tracks too, but Gaby's brother's playing cuts through it all. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:21:59 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: And finally ... friendly dog story "Toronto  A man with five guns and more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition set himself up beside a Beaches water plant yesterday planning to commit mass homicide. But a dog's affection apparently persuaded him not to go through with his plan." (Link to www.globeandmail.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:12:56 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: And finally ... friendly dog story At 09:21 AM 6/27/2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >"Toronto A man with five guns and more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition set >himself up beside a Beaches water plant yesterday planning to commit mass >homicide. But a dog's affection apparently persuaded him not to go through >with his plan." > > (Link to www.globeandmail.com) Great story! Note how the very last sentence reveals the true source of the man's mental malaise -- 'In the trunk, a collection of CDs revealed a taste for the music of Mariah Carey, the Doors, Abba and Judas Priest.' With a music cocktail like that, it's a wonder his skull hadn't just imploded. - -- dolph ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:14:33 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... On Saturday, June 26, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Eb wrote: > > Now that the #2 and #3 scars are a bit crustier (D. is fairly happy > now, thanks for asking), I suppose it comes back to those pesky > strings. > > Eb > > Bryter Layter is still my favorite Nick Drake record. I know I'm in the minority there. Up with strings! In other list entries, yeah, Zuckerzeit is one of the two Cluster albums to have. I like Soweisoso a bit more, but they're right next to one another chronologically and close in spirit. Imagine the instrumental tracks from Another Green World and Before and After Science, but with kind of a toyshop feel. Another closely-related record that's absolutely essential is Deluxe by Harmonia (Cluster plus one half of Neu!.) It tops anything either group did separately. On The Corner is probably the most finely distilled example of Miles Davis hard space-funk period. It's the only one from this period to be recorded in a studio. Of its live brethren, I'd recommend Agharta over Live-Evil... it features two superlong man-eating acid guitar marathons. This period of Miles is very hard to describe. Muscular, hilarious, hypnotic, intricate. Miles himself said he was wedding Stockhausen to Sly and the Family Stone, and that's pretty apt. We all know we should own Maggot Brain. I only have the famous title track, and it more than lives up to its rep. It shreds, wails, sobs and melts. Is the rest of the record up to this? Jon L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:34:31 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: reap - and top 100 > > "Who's Next," "Sell Out" and "Tommy" are missing, in favor of "My > > Generation"?? criminal that "Who's next" wasn't on there, at least. My own next-favourite is "Who by numbers", but I realise that's a quirky choice. > > XTC!! > >Yepper. "Drums and Wires" for me, take your pick. either Black Sea or English Settlement here, although nI'm surprised there was no room for Skylarking. >I agree with missing Gabriel too...criminal. Guess they had to get all 18 >Roxy Music albums on there instead. I would have expected PG IV to be a shoo-in. >I didn't see "Blow by Blow" or "Wired" on there, or anything by Cream. And >was Clapton British? Maybe not. Ask George Harrison. Seems like the great >guitarists got shafted all around...Blackmore on "Machine Head" by Deep >Purple or perhaps "Rainbow Rising?" Hadn't noticed the missing "Machine Head", but you're right. And "Disraeli Gears" is a distinct omission. >No King Crimson? Roy Harper? Red (or Thrak) and HQ, please. >Any Eno to be found? Thought James might have something to say about that. which is why I'm replying. Yep, but it was, strangely, "Here come the warm jets", rather than "Another green world". Personally, I'd have considered "Wrong way up" as well - on the subject of which, where is "Paris 1919"? Or has Wales seceded from Britain? >How about "Aqualung"? No Tull at all. (sigh) not even "Heavy horses". :( Some other plausibles (some of them quirky, I'll admit) that I don't remember seeing on the list: Imperial bedroom Arc of a diver Empty Glass All things must pass Element of light Shoot out the lights Singles going steady Aural sculpture Doppelganger Crime of the century Broken English Don't try this at home James PS - no Queen? No Dire Straits! - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:57:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... > In other list entries, yeah, Zuckerzeit is one of the two Cluster > albums to have. I like Soweisoso a bit more, but they're right next > to one another chronologically and close in spirit. Imagine the > instrumental tracks from Another Green World and Before and After > Science, but with kind of a toyshop feel. Damn...that sounds pretty damn great. > Of its live brethren, I'd recommend Agharta over Live-Evil... I have that. And Pangaea. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Celsius -1715/99 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > fine, but 9 F is -27 C; 11 F is -25.9 C. > > Yes, but 9/11 F (= 0.8182 F) is -17.32 C (= -1715/99 C). D'oh. Duh. I blame being forced listen to the soft rock here at work. Or losing two starting pitchers in a matter of hours. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:45:47 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: a ghost is born opinions? Well, it's a bit different from the regular Wilco -- Tweedy meets Olivia Tremor Control. What do the rest of y'all think? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:46:26 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100 > PS - no Queen? No Dire Straits! obviously - this was supposedly a list of GOOD music! ;-) craigie* ...better late than never, until proven otherwise... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:32:42 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: oh yeah - I went to England and came back I'm now caught up on the backlog of fegmessages enough to respond to comments made about "Tinfoilthothstonbury 2004". First of all, though I know he's off in Wales for a couple of weeks, I must give my most ardent thanks to Matt for his hosting, tour-guiding, and musicaliciousness. He gave me the most efficient Oxford walking tour possible and kindly put me up for the evening. The New Moon was stronger live than on their EP, which is saying quite a lot, and the additional flute for the latter half of the set was just the right touch. I would echo what others have said about the Delayed Suburban Departures. Having now played on two songs with Mike, I can tell you he's a guitarist who listens and plays what fits -- this is a very rare thing. The songwriting, too, is very sharp. Alex is a fantastically mad drummer (wearing of all things a Cincinnati Reds t-shirt -- Ohio-born I was a bit freaked!) and, again, a player who listens. Roger (bass, guitar, vocal) reminded me of Dave Gregory -- musical glue, filling out every piece with just the right touch, and from conversation afterward just fascinated with sounds. Let's not have another 17-year wait, OK fellas? As for Terence Warphole, I understand Tony's reaction. My tolerance is a little higher because I regularly frequent open-mic nights, and there's usually one such "ooo, I'm a mad mad poet" character per evening. So, for me, it was about seeing the British equivalent. The 'you're probably wondering why I'm here' ripoff was maybe not such an advisable way to start. For my own part, I hadn't performed a full 30-minute set in 4 years, so it was lovely to have a 15-person audience, especially with such a high proportion of friendly faces. It was a good confidence booster. Several of my new songs were aired out live for the first time, "Status Unknown" included. So thanks! Brian had come by Matt & Chrissy's place and hung out with us a bit before we embarked to the Port Mahon, and we had a chance to talk for a good while. He has an all-musical family -- perhaps the next Cowsills or Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players??? I didn't get to spend enough time chatting with Jim, Charlotte, or Tony (I was on the P.A.-setup-and-teardown committee), but they're cool folks all. Hopefully, Charlotte didn't mind too badly having the Michael extracted so much by the boys' club. I will return, and when I do it will be high priority to meet up with this feggy lot again. I am throwing detailed accounts of the rest of my trip onto my LiveJournal page as I have chances to type it out. And now... back to work. Feh. - -- dolph ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #187 ********************************