From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #186 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 26 2004 Volume 13 : Number 186 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Supertramp Davies poem [Barbara Soutar ] Re: Top 10s [Jon Lewis ] my Icelandic Top 10 ["Michael Wells" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #185 [James Dignan ] Moore / Wilco [steve ] Re: re-issues [Jeff Dwarf ] Southland [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Top 10s/shogs [James Dignan ] Re: Go on, grabit! [James Dignan ] Fwd: Howl Trailer [steve ] Celsius -1715/99 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Listy-wisty.... [Eb ] Re: Listy-wisty.... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:11:41 -0400 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Supertramp Davies poem A favourite poem of mine, which I didn't realize was by the same man from the "Autobiography of a Supertramp" book. Haven't read the book but had a moment of revelation a few years ago when I saw it and thought, "So that's where they got that (ridiculous) name". NIce little poem... The Example HERE'S an example from A Butterfly; That on a rough, hard rock Happy can lie; Friendless and all alone On this unsweetened stone. Now let my bed be hard No care take I; I'll make my joy like this Small Butterfly; Whose happy heart has power To make a stone a flower. W.H. Davies 1916 Welsh vagabond And on to Martha and the Muffins debate: Canadian content is there all right - their one and only popular song was "Echo Beach" and it's in the cottage country of Ontario. The laconic lyric - "My job is very boring, I'm an office clerk" is so very Canadian. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:05:27 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Top 10s On Friday, June 25, 2004, at 05:03 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Jon Lewis wrote: >> >> "I am a diminutive hedgehog troubadour" > > Anyone who had ever heard hedgehogs shagging in the undergrowth would > have likened the term to Rammstein, or some other death metal outfit. > Man, are they loud -- and grunty, too! > > Really, now? Well, that's certainly my thing learned for today. Please direct me to an MP3 for further enlightenment. Come now, I know some entity must have an online archive for small-mammal mating sounds of Britain. In fact wasn't that one of the organizations mentioned in the first song of the Kinks album? The British Small Mammal Mating Sound Appreciation Repository? God Bless Fu Manchu, Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:02:58 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: my Icelandic Top 10 1. Bjork - Vespertine um... Sumi turns a 6 into a 9: > Barak Obama -- can we start calling him Senator Obama now? That was pretty likely even before the events of this week, so in a way I'm glad for the free sideshow Jack "it's all the media's fault" Ryan afforded us before bowing out today. I'm rather impressed at the fake surprise he was able to muster as the leering jackals of the press closed in. You act like a prick in public for long enough... Barak comes across very well, and has widespread appeal as a midwestern, rather conservative Dem. Me, I just like his name...sounds like a mini-series hero: "Obama - Undercover Heat!" Mr. Godwin opines: > 'Machine Head', eh? Now there is a great album, almost in the class of the > Sweet's Greatest Hits, though 'Ballroom Blitz' just has the edge on > 'Highway Star'. Really? I mean, seriously? (types on, humming "Rock and Roll Disgrace") Got to see Marty Stuart last night at a small club here in Chicago...wow. Much better than the first time I had seem him ten years ago. Every once in a while it's good to get a dose of that rockabilly religion mixed up by an ace band, and Marty's combo was tight (Kenny Vaughan was featured on guitar). Marty's had a history of melding guitar and drum-based Nashville hillbilly rock with gospel, country blues, and bluegrass, and last night was a evening full of all the above and to spare. Plus, right before he came on a couple of very short, very round black ladies were made room for stageside by the owner dropping a table right in among the crowd (that was no mean feat). Turns out it was Mavis and Yvonne Staples of the Staples Singers, the former even joining Marty onstage for scat blues thingy partway through the set. Still has an *amazing* voice. Anyway, I find out this morning that Marty likely had a tight schedule making it in time for the gig: http://tinyurl.com/28n2k Michael "Obama - of the Mountains!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:52:39 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #185 >#Sorry, Laurie Anderson is from Chicago. > >Oh, man, you're right. I think I even knew that. Why was I thinking she was >Canadian? one Canadian with vague less-urbane Laurie Anderson similarities at times is Meryn Cadell - her "Angel food for thought" is pleasant enough listening James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:40:20 -0500 From: steve Subject: Moore / Wilco Any feedback on Fahrenheit 9/11 or A Ghost is Born? - - Steve __________ Now the justification for preemptive war is down to Attorney General John Ashcroft accusing Saddam of using "evil chemistry and evil biology." Assuming Ashcroft isn't charging Saddam with promoting the theory of evolution, evil science still does not quite make the case. - Reason Magazine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: re-issues Marc Holden wrote: > Also, the next set of Costello re-issues is due out on > August 3rd. I might be about the only one really > interested in these--it's not the better liked > part of his catalogue (Goodbye Cruel World, Kojak > Variety, and Almost Blue). So, King of America has to wait until the last batch, whenever and whatever they may be. That and Juliet Letters. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Southland James Dignan wrote: >> I still contend that no one in the entire state has >> ever used the phrase "Southland" in casual >> conversation. Odd, how the term is so ingrained >> within the local news media. > > Strange - we hear that term here all the time :) (ICYDK, > Southland is the province immediately south of here) It's also a mall in Hayward, CA, so it has been used in casual conversation in the state. Just not in reference to Los Angeles etc. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:42:42 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Top 10s/shogs >Oh come on, Dreamer at least is a very good song... > >Shit, did I type that out loud? > >Cheers > >Matt > > >From: Tom Clark > >Plus, the word "Supertramp" should >be stricken from all languages. > >-tc yeah, yeah, I know - liking Supertramp hardly helps my non-existent street-cred, and it's not exactly a fashionable choice, but "Crime of the century" in particular is a better than fair album, and there are many fine moments on a couple of their other albums from that period (notably "Crisis, what crisis?"). >Anyone who had ever heard hedgehogs shagging in the undergrowth would >have likened the term to Rammstein, or some other death metal outfit. >Man, are they loud -- and grunty, too! 'shogs do shag very loud - especially at three o'clock in the morning outside my bedroom window... grrrrr. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:58:20 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Go on, grabit! > > The nearest I can do is "Somebody robbed me - and the robber was a > > monster", which becomes (IIRC) "Kto-to mnye grabil - i razboinik buil > > chudovitshche!" > > > > the "a"s in grabil is a schwa, and the chudovitshche uses the same > > horrible letter sound as the better-known word tovaritshch. > >Hmmm...someone else suggested (my transliteration - he had a nice >Cyrillic character set that shows up on my screen but doesn't reproduce >when I reply...) "Ya bil razboynichan! I razboynik bil izvergom!" > >So we agree on "razboynik" and "bil" (with minor difs as to >transliteration)...anyone care to adjudicate? I'm guessing - from my >meager knowledge of Russian - that the first phrase was rendered "I was >robbed" rather than "somebody robbed me." the reason I went for "Somebody robbed me" rather than "I was robbed" is that robbed can be transitive or intransitive in English, and neither of the Anglo-Russki dictionaries I have handy indicated whether "I was robbed" would end up translating back into English as "I was stolen". I remain unconvinced by the -chan ending, but I'll leave that to someone who knows how Russian verbs works better than I do. As for izvergom/chudovitshche, I think izvergom is the word you'd use in senses like "Hitler was a monster", where you could also translate it as tyrant or brute, whereas chudovitshche is the word you'd use in the sense "The tyrannosaurus was a monster", and also in the sense of something of enormous size. Take your pick. One thing with the "bil/buil" formation - the ending depends on the gender. If the speaker is a woman, she would say "Ya bila razbo....". (The actual pronunciation is half way between "bil" and "buil", BTW, though it is written as one letter (which looks like a miniature, conjoined, number 61). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:03:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Fwd: Howl Trailer Another URL, this time for the first trailer for Miyazaki's adaptation of Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones. It should be out in Japan sometime this year. I picked up the book after the movie was announced, and it seemed to me to be Zelanzyesque, although lacking his style. Begin forwarded message: > I found this link on Wingsee's forum. > > Neko Wrote: > -------------------- > http://49uper.com/up-test3/key.php?mode=check&no=2409 > > Key is "shinraot" > -------------------- > > You just need to type in the key. The download is that of a full-length > Howl trailer. (18 megs, AVI) > > Enjoy - - Steve __________ A twice-born man who commits an unnatural offence with a male, or has intercourse with a female in a cart drawn by oxen, in water, or in the day-time, shall bathe, dressed in his clothes. - Laws of Manu (in Sanskrit, the Manusmrti) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:41:12 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Celsius -1715/99 (we're metric up here, y'see) Recently back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11. Better than I thought it would be. Less Michael Moore in it than his previous films. It's still a bit scattershot in places -- suddenly cuts from one scene to the Oregon coast, where there's only one trooper on part-time patrol, with not much of an explanation. I also thought he could've done less filming of the bereaved mother breaking down at the White House. For me, it underlines the close links between the Bush and Binladen dynasties. I just hope enough people see it in Canada so they don't vote for that micro-Bush rube, Harper, in Monday's election. The out-of-the-way strip mall cineplex where we saw it had two screens running, and they were full. The credits drew applause. There are two appropriately icky bits: * the nastiness of war in Iraq (blood and gore, pain and screaming) * Wolfowitz licking his comb. It's really eww. Go and see it. Please don't let anyone else make your mind up for you about this movie. Stewart - -- $,="\n";foreach(split('',"\3\3\3c>\0>c\177cc\0~c~``\0cc\177cc")) {$a++;$_=unpack('B8',$_);tr,01,\40#,;$b[$a%6].=$_};print @b,"\n" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:06:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Listy-wisty.... Pitchfork (www.pitchforkmedia.com) has posted its choices for the top 100 albums of the '70s...there's a predictable hard slant away from classic-rock and toward indie-kid records, but it's still a really interesting list. And the reviews are *excellent*. Loaded with wonderful metaphorical imagery. I currently own 66 of the 100, plus there's another five or six which are on my shopping list. There are also about 10 other albums which have passed through my hands. Rather than list what I have, what's missing ( Horses ), etc., I'll just list the top 10 albums on the list which I have never heard in full, and would like to check out. 6: Kraftwerk/Trans-Europe Express 13: Nick Drake/Pink Moon 17: Funkadelic/Maggot Brain 21: Serge Gainsbourg/Histoire de Melody Nelson 30: Miles Davis/On the Corner 48: Miles Davis/Live-Evil 55: Nick Drake/Bryter Layter 63: Cluster/Zuckerzeit 69: Faust/IV 93: Jimi Hendrix/Band of Gypsys Anyone wanna comment on these? The sky-high rank of the Kraftwerk record makes me newly annoyed at that jerk at a local record swapmeet several months back, who basically stole a good-condition vinyl copy of Trans-Europe Express out of my hands and claimed it as his own. What's more, he was a *dealer*, so he probably just intended to mark it up and sell it for a profit. Grrr. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:55:27 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Listy-wisty.... Eb wrote: > > 6: Kraftwerk/Trans-Europe Express I find this a bit slow, but very fine nonetheless. I would've gone for Radioaktivity, myself, only 'cos it's got the Bach-like 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' > 13: Nick Drake/Pink Moon > 55: Nick Drake/Bryter Layter dear oh dear, Eb, you disappoint me ... ;-) Stewart - -- np: Black Grape - Reverend Black Grape now digesting: a bottle of "Thums Up", which is quite the best cola ever. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #186 ********************************