From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #181 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 22 2004 Volume 13 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- 100 albums thing [Jill Brand ] belated reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["Michael Wells" ] Interesting new releases [steve ] Re: Interesting new releases [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! ["Fortissimo" ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: What the hell? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: belated reap [Eb ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Eb ] Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! [Eb ] RE: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? ["Palle Hoffstein" ] Lollipops of Death ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: belated reap ["Fortissimo" ] Re: What the hell? ["Fortissimo" ] RE: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Lollipops of Death ["Fortissimo" ] Riffs, Bellyaches ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! [Tom Clark ] Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: 100 albums thing Whoa! I actually own 40 of those albums. I never own forty of anything. It was great to see the Kinks (happy 60th birthday, Ray!) and the Jam represented (and of course the Smiths, but they posthumously turned into God at one point), but I was surprised at no Squeeze, no Graham Parker, and no Buzzcocks. Were the Psychedelic Furs there? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: belated reap Loyd Sigmon http://snopes.com/autos/hazards/sigalert.asp ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:19:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? Eb sagely grumbles: *Two* Dexy's Midnight Runners albums?? Yep...apparently the same level of greatness as the Who, who got all of two albums as well > "Who's Next," "Sell Out" and "Tommy" are missing, in favor of "My > Generation"?? They also got Quad, but that's still the thin end of the wedge. > XTC!! Yepper. "Drums and Wires" for me, take your pick. > Looking at the above list, the number of snubbed groups turns out to be > fairly staggering. But I guess they had to make room for Soul II Soul, > Talk Talk, ABC, the La's, Happy Mondays, Bunyan/Jones/Dizzee Rascal, > Dexy's Midnight Runners, the Verve, Primal Scream, Coldplay, Pet Shop > Boys, Human League, Happy Mondays, Streets, etc. And don't forget Happy Mondays! I agree with missing Gabriel too...criminal. Guess they had to get all 18 Roxy Music albums on there instead. I didn't see "Blow by Blow" or "Wired" on there, or anything by Cream. And was Clapton British? Maybe not. Ask George Harrison. Seems like the great guitarists got shafted all around...Blackmore on "Machine Head" by Deep Purple or perhaps "Rainbow Rising?" "Blizzard of Ozz," "British Steel," "Sabbath's "Vol 4" and Iron Maiden's "Powerslave" would rate my list, though I can understand why not some others. No King Crimson? Roy Harper? Surprised that "Meat is Murder" ranked lower than two other Smiths albums. Hunh. Anybody see a Queen album anywhere? Did they even exist? Thomas Dolby was born in Egypt or somewhere but of British parents, right? "The Golden Age of Wireless" makes my cut. Any Eno to be found? Thought James might have something to say about that. How about "Aqualung"? No Tull at all. (sigh) Sorry, more grumbling than usual with these things. What a crap list. Michael "maybe I'm just an old fogey, but damn" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:05:25 -0500 From: steve Subject: Interesting new releases Three disc Village Green Preservation Society - And some fun new reading - Which is number 25 on this list - - - Steve __________ I know from first-hand experience that a president acting secretly usually does not have the best interests of Americans in mind. Rather, it is his own personal interests that are at stake. - John Dean, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Interesting new releases steve wrote: > Three disc Village Green Preservation Society - > > It's cheaper (or at least has been when I've done it) to just order UK imports from http://www.amazon.co.uk/ outright. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:40:52 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:36:00 -0800, "Brian" said: > Ok. I just watched the 1932 Alfred Hitchcock film "Number 17". Anyone > see this? The movie has some of the absolute WORST acting I've ever > seen! It's actually pretty funny. Anyway, I thought I'd point out that > the movie starts out exactly like the Raymond Chandler Evening video- a > hat floating around a street. I wonder if this was the inspiration for > the video. Haven't seen it - but often, acting in early movies seems "bad" by current standards. It took a while for actors to realize that what worked on stage looked ridiculous on the screen. [this bit is forwarded] > The rumours are true! BID, original singer of the legendary > UK pop ensemble THE MONOCHROME SET (aka "JOHN PEEL's > Favorite Band") Now just a goddam minute: The Fall is "John Peel's Favorite Band," innit? Hmmph. (Until recently, I didn't know any Monochrome Set stuff: heard some recently, and like it pretty well.) > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > Jesus Christ! Are you still reading this? It's pretty damned hard to read up here on the cross, you know - can't hold a laptop up so I can see the screen properly. > Anyway...I'm very surprised > there aren't more Scarlet's Well/Robyn fans. I'm certain if some fegs > were exposed to SWell they'd like it. Very unique stuff. I think it's because the name "Scarlet's Well" sounds like, uh, a Tori Amos tribute band or something. Ick*. *I've liked the occasional Amos song...but the frenzied devotion of some of her fans means that a tribute band, inevitably made up of particularly frenzied and devoted fans, would be truly horrific to behold. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:49:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: What the hell? Did I miss talk about this, somehow? I just saw a TV commercial for yet ANOTHER goddamn film remake: "The Manchurian Candidate." Arrrgh. I opened the IMDB to see what schmuck was daring to direct this remake of a great film which can't be topped, and it's Jonathan Demme. But also...Robyn Hitchcock is in the cast??? Did I breeze past discussion of this, somehow? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:53:56 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:41 -0500, "Miles Goosens" said: > At 10:26 AM 6/21/2004 -0700, Rex Broome wrote: > >James notes: > >> > > > >Started to do the typical "how many do I have" thing on this list but > >quickly defaulted to "how many do I *not* have?"... Yep, that's easier for me too. Here are the ones I don't have (and, using Miles Rules, have never had): Soul II Soul _Club Classics_, Ian Dury _New Boots..._, Rod the Mod _Every Picture..._, Robert Wyatt _Rock Bottom_ (probably *should* have this), ABC _Lexicon Devil of Love_, Happy Mondays _Bummed_ (get serious...), John Martyn _Solid Air_ (? - was he one of those Pentangley guitarists who wasn't actually in Pentangle?), Steel Pulse _Handsworth..._, Vashti Bunyan _Just Another Diamond Day_, Dexys Midnight Runners _Searching..._, The Slits _Cut_, Verve _Urban Hymns_, Primal Scream _Screamadelica_, Thin Lizzy _Jailbreak_, The Streets _Original Parrot Material_, Nic Jones _Penguin Eggs_ (eh?), Pentangle _Basket of Light_ (picked up a couple of theirs recently though - worth further investigation), Young Disciples _Road to Freedom_ (winner of the "Generic Band Name and Generic Album Title Combo" contest!), The Other Freakin' Dexy's Midnight Runners album on this list - yeesh..., Coldplay _Parashits_, Pet Shop Boys _Behaviour_, Dizzee Rascal _Boy..._ (but didn't this just come out last year or so? Too soon to judge for a list like this...), THe Human League _Dare_, Manic Street Preachers, Eurythmics... So I'm missing exactly a quarter of them, if I counted right. Of those, I could see myself enjoying 5 or 6 of those pretty well, based on what I know; about the same number would make me leave the room; and I have absolutely no clue whatsoever about Bunyan and Jones. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: What the hell? - --- Eb wrote: > Did I miss talk about this, somehow? > > I just saw a TV commercial for yet ANOTHER goddamn film > remake: "The Manchurian Candidate." Arrrgh. > > I opened the IMDB to see what schmuck was daring to > direct this remake of a great film which can't be topped, > and it's Jonathan Demme. > > But also...Robyn Hitchcock is in the cast??? Did I breeze > past discussion of this, somehow? And several times.... ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:13:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? - --- Fortissimo wrote: > I have > absolutely no clue whatsoever about Bunyan and [Nic] > Jones. I only had 54 of them, so I won't bother naming which ones, but Nic Jones I had heard of before, solely because John Wesley Harding's album _Trad. Arr. Jones_ was his tribute to Jones, a collection of traditional songs with arrangements inspired by Nic Jones's. Can't say how faithful or unfaithful Wes's verions were to Jones's since I haven't heard the latter's. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:50 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? Vashti Bunyan? Psyche-folk. She travelled the country in a horse drawn caravan and played guitar until she had her album recorded by Joe Boyd. It's on my wish list and I have a feeling it may have been/be about to be re-released. All I've heard is Pink Sugar Elephants from a Ptolemaic Terrascope CD, and that's just beautifully breathy and gentle... Cheers Matt >From: Miles Goosens >Vashti Bunyan, JUST ANOTHER DIAMOND DAY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sign up to the MSN Premium service in June and receive a FREE webcam worth #39.99! More details here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:29:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: belated reap > Loyd Sigmon > > http://snopes.com/autos/hazards/sigalert.asp Looks like he didn't know how to spell *either* of his names. I still contend that no one in the entire state has ever used the phrase "Southland" in casual conversation. Odd, how the term is so ingrained within the local news media. Two good movies I recently saw: "Stray Dog" (early Kurosawa...almost like a French New Wave film, 10 years early and transported to Tokyo) and "Mad Love" (classic Peter Lorre creepiness). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:17:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? > I agree with missing Gabriel too...criminal. Guess they had to get all > 18 > Roxy Music albums on there instead. Wasn't it just the first three? I won't complain about that. And they skipped my favorite one. > I didn't see "Blow by Blow" or "Wired" on there, or anything by Cream. > And > was Clapton British? Maybe not. Ask George Harrison. Seems like the > great > guitarists got shafted all around...Blackmore on "Machine Head" by Deep > Purple or perhaps "Rainbow Rising?" > "Blizzard of Ozz," "British Steel," "Sabbath's "Vol 4" and Iron > Maiden's > "Powerslave" would rate my list, though I can understand why not some > others. I think you gotta assume that, with the way the UK's fickle music trends go, albums of the "classic rock" persuasion will get the shaft. That's just the way the UK press works. I mean, I love early Genesis/Yes/King Crimson, but I didn't bother putting them on my "overlooked" list because it's simply not realistic. > Any Eno to be found? Here Come the Warm Jets was on there somewhere. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:17:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! > Eb mentioned (last week) the longest song titles. I was waiting, and am > surprised no one mentioned Robyn's longest song title which appears on > Gotta Let This Hen Out. "....so I went home wearing the wrong head." > Can > someone please count the words? OK, I know this isn't the official > name....but thought it was worth mentioning. I would have guessed that Robyn's longest is "A Skull, A Suitcase, and a Long Red Bottle of Wine." I don't even know what you're talking about, above. That's a title on Gotta Let This Hen Out?? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:44:18 -0700 From: "Palle Hoffstein" Subject: RE: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? #Behalf Of Fortissimo #For example, I'd exclude "Louie Louie" from the list - because to me, #that's all in the rhythm. You could play nearly any chord, any voicing, #in the rhythm of (the Kingsmen's version of) "Louie Louie," and almost #everyone would recognize it as being "Louie Louie." I agree. The strum pattern for "Louie Louie" was used by a lot of songs before The Kingsmen would immortalize it. Now it's not really used unless you're playing "Louie Louie." (You could say the same about the opening guitar part for "Smoke On The Water.") Richard Berry's original of "Louie Louie" doesn't use the famous riff, if I recall correctly. #Some of the writer's other choices seem dubious as riff to me as well: #"Like a Hurricane" has a recurring melody, sure - but Young never really #plays it exactly the same way, and it doesn't get sold as a riff, to me #- unlike, say, the lick that structures "Fuckin' Up" (oops - forgot the #cartoon-curse characters...) Yeah, Young is just jammin' there. In fact, I've seen him perform the song twice now, and on neither occassion did it sound anything like either recording he made of the song. "Cinnamon Girl" - now that's a Neil Young riff, and he plays it the same every time. #It also seems to me that composing around riffs isn't done as much #anymore - is that a post- punk (not "post-punk") type thing? Cuz the #only person I can think of off the top of my head who usually writes #around riffs and also dates after late '70s or so is Tom Verlaine...and #he's kind of a throwback anyway. I would say that both Gordon Gano and J Mascis right songs around riffs fairly often. Johnny Marr comes to mind, especially for some Electronica songs. Palle Now Playing: Bobby Darrin - Sings Ray Charles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:11:54 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #179 >From: "Matt Sewell" Rather boringly Matt's recollection of the events tally with mine, we also both seem to have suffered the same lost day on friday. >Now, to me, Terry comes from a long line of >artist-shamen: his life is entirely dedicated to the production of art, >whether poetry, photography or other visual arts. Of course, this tends >to make him very... hemhem... eccentric. The world needs people like Terry, it may not always recognise that it does. > >Delayed Suburban Departures ... aka Box of Rocks?? I admit to lazily assuming they'd give us some mid tempo blues/rock so the opening announcement of "we were once a punk band" and the opening Suburban Reality were a suprise. >but what did the note say?. "I'd like to hear the song 'carrier pigeon'" and the same in mirror writing on the obverse. >Dolph... It was a pleasure to meet Dolph and to put a voice and face to the name. To see him perform was an added bonus. >Our set went pretty well - it was the first gig since Ian (bassist)'s >return, which meant me and the Boy Cornelius were psyched to be playing >with him. Apart from your guitar's initial reluctance to get into tune, I'd say it went very well indeed. Bags of energy, fine tunes, thought inducing lyrics and some rocking flute playing added up to a great set. I'm suprised that you don't have more of a local following. Thanks to Matt for organising the whole thing and to Mike and Dolph for the music. I hope the opportunity for another similar event will present itself within my travelling range. cheers, Brian _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:45:12 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Lollipops of Death The man who had 5 albums in the Guardian Top 100 British albums list barely avoided serious injury from a lollipop: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3825737.stm At 07:29 PM 6/21/2004 -0700, Eb wrote: >"Stray Dog" (early Kurosawa...almost like a French New Wave film Yeah, that was a good one. And not a samurai in sight. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:57:52 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: belated reap On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:29:06 -0700, "Eb" said: > I still contend that no one in the entire state has ever used the > phrase "Southland" in casual conversation. Odd, how the term is so > ingrained within the local news media. Compare "Chicagoland": who the hell says that who's not on the radio or TV? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:05:36 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: What the hell? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:49:38 -0700, "Eb" said: > Did I miss talk about this, somehow? > > I just saw a TV commercial for yet ANOTHER goddamn film remake: "The > Manchurian Candidate." Arrrgh. > > I opened the IMDB to see what schmuck was daring to direct this remake > of a great film which can't be topped, and it's Jonathan Demme. > > But also...Robyn Hitchcock is in the cast??? Did I breeze past > discussion of this, somehow? How about a nice little game of solitaire? (Man, that was close: for some reason the programming didn't take on Eb this time!) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:11:03 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:44:18 -0700, "Palle Hoffstein" said: > #Behalf Of Fortissimo > > #For example, I'd exclude "Louie Louie" from the list - because to me, > #that's all in the rhythm. You could play nearly any chord, any voicing, > #in the rhythm of (the Kingsmen's version of) "Louie Louie," and almost > #everyone would recognize it as being "Louie Louie." > > I agree. The strum pattern for "Louie Louie" was used by a lot of songs > before The Kingsmen would immortalize it. Now it's not really used unless > you're playing "Louie Louie." (You could say the same about the opening > guitar part for "Smoke On The Water.") Richard Berry's original of "Louie > Louie" doesn't use the famous riff, if I recall correctly. Right. THe beat pattern in Berry's version is 4 notes, 2 notes, 4 notes, 2 notes. And there's kind of a pickup before the 4-note phrase, so it's a bit ambiguous. The Kingsmen's version dropped the last note in the 4-note phrase, and banged it out emphatically - thus cementing it as the "Louie Louie" rhythm forever and ever amen. Hey: does anyone else know Chuck Berry's "Havana Moon"? I *think* it predates Richard Berry's song - but it's clearly an influence if so, from the faux-Caribbean patois, to the situation of a song (man waits for girl on ship). C. Berry's song is, of course, much more clever... > #It also seems to me that composing around riffs isn't done as much > #anymore - is that a post- punk (not "post-punk") type thing? Cuz the > #only person I can think of off the top of my head who usually writes > #around riffs and also dates after late '70s or so is Tom Verlaine...and > #he's kind of a throwback anyway. > > I would say that both Gordon Gano and J Mascis right songs around riffs > fairly often. Johnny Marr comes to mind, especially for some Electronica > songs. Definitely on the first two - "Blister in the Sun" anyone? - not as sure on the last one, if only because I only know (and not that well) the first Electronica album... It does seem that riff-based writing tends to make the songs sound a bit throw-backy: certainly both Mascis & Gano weren't trying to be au courant and cutting edge w/their music (not to say they were copyists, just that their influences are strong & clear in their music). - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:14:36 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Lollipops of Death On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:45:12 -0700, "Jason R. Thornton" said: > The man who had 5 albums in the Guardian Top 100 British albums list > barely > avoided serious injury from a lollipop: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3825737.stm In another article linked from this one: "Oasis' 1996 gig at Loch Lomond in Scotland was marred when a man was accidentally crushed by a forklift truck." Two responses: 1) Was Sandy Frank responsible? 2) The gig was probably *improved* for the guy who was crushed, in that he didn't have to hear it. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:58:27 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Riffs, Bellyaches Jeffrey: >> it raises for me the question of what exactly >>this guy (or anyone, really) means by "riff"? >>To me, it's a repeated, structural element of rhythm and/or harmony - >>but that last part is where it gets tricky, since to me, riffs have a >>sort of halfway existence between frozen melody line (say, Clapton's >>lick on "Layla") and foregrounded rhythm part (say, the opening figure >>to "Brown Sugar"). But it's not *just* any old rhythm part, no matter >>how repeated...a riff seems to partake of both melody and chord/rhythm. That all seems pretty fair to me. Chords or lead parts would do (the early Kinks signature riffs all being also rhythm parts, but definitely riffs). >>Some of the writer's other choices seem dubious as riff to me as well: >>"Like a Hurricane" has a recurring melody, sure - but Young never really >>plays it exactly the same way, and it doesn't get sold as a riff, to me >>- - unlike, say, the lick that structures "Fuckin' Up" (oops - forgot the >>cartoon-curse characters...) Yeah, that's no riff. Actually, Neil Young might be a good place to identify what's a riff and what ain't: The Loner, Cinnamon Girl, Hey Hey My My, Fuckin' Up: riffs. Cowgirl in the Sand, Like a Hurricane, Barstool Blues: not riffs. Maybe Cortez the Killer is a hybrid: it has one repeating melody figure in every single version I've ever heard (lots), but it never finishes in the same place. >>It also seems to me that composing around riffs isn't done as much >>anymore - is that a post- punk (not "post-punk") type thing? Cuz the >>only person I can think of off the top of my head who usually writes >>around riffs and also dates after late '70s or so is Tom Verlaine...and >>he's kind of a throwback anyway. I dunno... seems to me that a lot of "post-punk" was riff-oriented, at least in the early days. Boys Don't Cry, Rescue, Pretty Persuasion, that kind of semi-retro guitar rock... you can hear it both on the "hit" and "college rock" sides of the dial. As for later than that... would we count "Teen Spirit" or "Alive"? I think you'd have to. Jeff D: >>I like _Pills'N'Thrills & Bellyaches_, but other than I >>never cared much one way or the other. But I completely >>agree about their attitude was definitely more punk than >>even the better last generation "punk" bands, whoever they >>might actually be. I rate "Bummed" fairly highly, and don't even hate "Yes Please"... I'll stick up for at least the first Black Grape record and parts of the second. I know, it's sad. I even have a perverse fascination for the first, somewhat pre-baggy Mondays record (speaking of things with really long titles) because it sounds for all the world like Ryder fronting the very early REM. And it's totally weird. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:03:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! On Jun 21, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Eb wrote: >> Eb mentioned (last week) the longest song titles. I was waiting, and >> am >> surprised no one mentioned Robyn's longest song title which appears on >> Gotta Let This Hen Out. "....so I went home wearing the wrong head." >> Can >> someone please count the words? OK, I know this isn't the official >> name....but thought it was worth mentioning. > > I would have guessed that Robyn's longest is "A Skull, A Suitcase, and > a Long Red Bottle of Wine." > > I don't even know what you're talking about, above. That's a title on > Gotta Let This Hen Out?? It's not really the title. Robyn introduces "The Cars She Used To Drive" with - and let me see if I can remember it correctly - "This is called 'I suddenly found myself underneath a bucket, but there was nobody else there so I went home wearing the wrong head.'" That's 21 words, btw. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:19:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! On Jun 22, 2004, at 11:03 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Jun 21, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Eb wrote: > >>> Eb mentioned (last week) the longest song titles. I was waiting, and >>> am >>> surprised no one mentioned Robyn's longest song title which appears >>> on >>> Gotta Let This Hen Out. "....so I went home wearing the wrong head." >>> Can >>> someone please count the words? OK, I know this isn't the official >>> name....but thought it was worth mentioning. >> >> I would have guessed that Robyn's longest is "A Skull, A Suitcase, >> and a Long Red Bottle of Wine." >> >> I don't even know what you're talking about, above. That's a title on >> Gotta Let This Hen Out?? > > It's not really the title. Robyn introduces "The Cars She Used To > Drive" with - and let me see if I can remember it correctly - "This > is called 'I suddenly found myself underneath a bucket, but there was > nobody else there so I went home wearing the wrong head.'" That's 21 > words, btw. > > D'oh! Make that 'I suddenly found myself underneath a bucket, but there was nobody else there EXCEPT SOME CEMENT, so I went home wearing the wrong head.' 24 words. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #181 ********************************