From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #180 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 21 2004 Volume 13 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap - and top 100? ["Rex Broome" ] Feg Gig revisited ["Rex.Broome" ] Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["Fortissimo" ] why Eb will "ehhhhh" Caroline Dhavernas on Feg at least one more time [Mi] Re: reap - and top 100? (contains unusual Radiohead comparison) ["Rex Bro] Re: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? ["Fortissimo" ] Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! ["Brian" ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Eb ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["craigie*" ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reap - and top 100? ["Rex Broome" ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Jon Lewis ] Re: reap - and top 100? [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:26:13 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? James notes: > Started to do the typical "how many do I have" thing on this list but quickly defaulted to "how many do I *not* have?"... turns out I have all but thirty, and most of the ones I'm missing are in the bottom quarter. I'm a little alarmed by that. There were a few technicalities (the Hatful of Hollow thing, and the fact that my copy of Ogden is embedded within a two-disc compilation), but the really alarming thing is that there are actually a few that I don't have which I feel I probably should own (Dusty, Pentangle)... The Stone Roses, though... I mean, it's good and all, but I wonder what's the highest slot that record has ever occupied on a similar list by US journalists... - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:28:05 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Feg Gig revisited Hmm, some delay there ended up with me asking for details on this right after they had been provided by Matt. Sorry there! Can't wait to see some of the dockamentation. Sounds like a great time... >>Thankfully all our escapees returned for Delayed Suburban Departures' >>set. I wasn't sure what to expect, but taking one look at the band I knew >>they'd be doing something interesting... they were a more usual band set >>up - full kit (including a sweet little ashtray next to the toms), guitar >>and bass. Apparently this was their first gig since 1987, though this >>didn't seem to have too much bearing on their performance, which was >>tremendously enjoyable. Wow... seventeen years between gigs! Good on Mickey G for getting it back together with such aplomb! >>And yes, at the end we *did* do some kind of version of Tell Me About Your >>Drugs. Now, when it came to the solo I shouted "Tell 'em Dolph", but realise >>now that "Tell 'em Godders" would have been better as he was the one >>wielding the electric guitar... Nice... "Dolph" does sound like a slightly more Robynesque name to shout, so you get a pass. >>Sadly there was no time for Touch You Natalie Jane! Dolph and Mike ran >>through I Know The Felt of Judas but towards the end Ralph the landlord >>gave me the nod to finish up. Hey, having Dignan represented is quite a nice touch... that and "Status Unknown" are both Thoths "exclusives" as far as I know. It's a measure of Dolph's musical fecundity that he's putting out three whole discs and not only still has exclusive tracks to donate but... he's writing songs on demand these days! In other fegmeet news, I expect to be hooking up with Brian "lazerlove5" Nupp in LA this Friday at a musical venue in Silverlake. No musical collaboration is in the cards, but it looks like soon enough everyone on the record will've met everyone else... at least in the "six degrees" fashion... - -Rex "tell 'em, Nuppy!" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:51:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? Another list for the list. And yeah, another Pop Will Eat Itself reference in my subject line. Prolly the same one as last time, but there you go. "Queen of Eyes" notably absent, but then I guess you'd have to go through "Mr. Tambourine Man" to get there... http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=15978&Section=Local - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? At 10:26 AM 6/21/2004 -0700, Rex Broome wrote: >James notes: >> > >Started to do the typical "how many do I have" thing on this list but >quickly defaulted to "how many do I *not* have?"... turns out I have all but >thirty, Taking a break from moving for a lil' bit... I split on an even 80/20 "owned/not owned," that is if we allow for albums I owned at any given time rather than what I have now. For instance, I've already chucked the remaining Oasis albums in my collection, not being able to imagine wanting to hear them again, but I'm counting them as "owned" for these purposes. Here's the ones I don't have: Van Morrison, ASTRAL WEEKS Van Morrison, MOONDANCE I've never liked him, even though I don't blame him for Counting Crows or anything. My friend Danny Cantrell went through a "getting into Van Morrison" phase when I was in college and he dubbed me a TDK SA90 with ASTRAL WEEKS on one side and MOONDANCE on the other. This did me two enormous favors: (1) I learned where Bruce stole the parts of THE WILD, THE INNOCENT, AND THE E STREET SHUFFLE that he didn't steal from Dylan, and (2) I learned that I really, really don't like Van Morrison without having to spend any money to find that out for sure. Robert Wyatt, ROCK BOTTOM John Martyn, SOLID AIR The Small Faces, OGDEN'S NUT GONE FLAKE The Slits, CUT Dusty Springfield, DUSTY IN MEMPHIS Pentangle, BASKET OF LIGHT I've never owned any of these, and I'm not sure why, as I think I might enjoy any of them. I'm familiar with most of DUSTY IN MEMPHIS, which I admire but as it's genre exercises in genres that don't engage me that much, has never made it up to "must buy" status. Yes, THE YES ALBUM Steel Pulse, HANDSWORTH REVOLUTION Dexy's Midnight Runners, SEARCHING FOR THE YOUNG SOUL REBELS Elton John, GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD Thin Lizzy, JAILBREAK Manic Street Preachers, THE HOLY BIBLE No thanks, already! Coldplay, PARACHUTES C'mon, just buy yourself some Radiohead and Echo and the Bunnymen records instead of these snoozeriffic ripoffs. Chris Martin's lack of originality seems even more dire than the more celebrated derivativeness of the Gallagher Brothers' -- I mean, did Martin read an interview with Thom Yorke where he said "Apple" was a good name for a girl, and that he fancied Gwynneth Paltrow? Vashti Bunyan, JUST ANOTHER DIAMOND DAY Nic Jones, PENGUIN EGGS Dizzee Rascal, BOY IN DA CORNER These are the only three that made me go "um, just what is that?" I've at least heard of the latter two, but utterly clueless on the first one. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:34:28 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:13:41 -0500, "Miles Goosens" said: > At 10:26 AM 6/21/2004 -0700, Rex Broome wrote: > >James notes: > >> > Stone Roses? The greatest British album *ever*? Oh, please. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:14:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: why Eb will "ehhhhh" Caroline Dhavernas on Feg at least one more time http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1744 later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:54:08 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? (contains unusual Radiohead comparison) Good and specific stuff from Miles as usual... >Here's the ones I don't have: > >Van Morrison, ASTRAL WEEKS >Van Morrison, MOONDANCE Those are the only VM records I do have. And it's partly, admittedly, and sadly because I'm *supposed* to have them. I like them okay, but they've never caught fire with me. I keep them around because I figure someday they just might. I actually picked them up in a frenzy of buying right before the year when I bought no music whatsoever per a New Year's Resolution ('94, maybe?)... needed stuff to chew on throughout the year and thought those might be inspirational. Still waiting... >Robert Wyatt, ROCK BOTTOM >John Martyn, SOLID AIR >The Small Faces, OGDEN'S NUT GONE FLAKE >The Slits, CUT >Dusty Springfield, DUSTY IN MEMPHIS >Pentangle, BASKET OF LIGHT > >I've never owned any of these, and I'm not sure why, as I think I might enjoy any of them. Ditto on all fronts except the Small Faces, which, as noted, I have within the context of a compilation (although as such I've never really appreciated it as its own entity in the way I probably should). >Yes, THE YES ALBUM >Steel Pulse, HANDSWORTH REVOLUTION >Dexy's Midnight Runners, SEARCHING FOR THE YOUNG SOUL REBELS >Elton John, GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD >Thin Lizzy, JAILBREAK >Manic Street Preachers, THE HOLY BIBLE > >No thanks, already! Damn straight! >Coldplay, PARACHUTES > C'mon, just buy yourself some Radiohead and Echo and the Bunnymen records instead of these snoozeriffic ripoffs. Of course the Radiohead records themselves were among my non-owned records. And again, I don't hate Radiohead... I just don't lack for access/exposure options on them, and they don't set my world on fire enough to own the records. They are, for me, kind of like AC/DC in that respect. Not in many other respects, but there you go. - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:29:07 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Riffs... yeah! Can you dig it? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:51:24 -0700, "Rex.Broome" said: > Another list for the list. And yeah, another Pop Will Eat Itself > reference in my subject line. Prolly the same one as last time, but > there you go. > > "Queen of Eyes" notably absent, but then I guess you'd have to go through > "Mr. Tambourine Man" to get there... Oh, I'd put "Kingdom of Love" higher than that on the Riff-o-Rama... > http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=15978&Section=Local I notice that (in one of the earlier installments - do a bit of digging on the site (I just searched the author's name) and you'll find it - "Marquee Moon" is listed...and since I think he's referring to the interlocking rhythm parts, it raises for me the question of what exactly this guy (or anyone, really) means by "riff"? To me, it's a repeated, structural element of rhythm and/or harmony - but that last part is where it gets tricky, since to me, riffs have a sort of halfway existence between frozen melody line (say, Clapton's lick on "Layla") and foregrounded rhythm part (say, the opening figure to "Brown Sugar"). But it's not *just* any old rhythm part, no matter how repeated...a riff seems to partake of both melody and chord/rhythm. For example, I'd exclude "Louie Louie" from the list - because to me, that's all in the rhythm. You could play nearly any chord, any voicing, in the rhythm of (the Kingsmen's version of) "Louie Louie," and almost everyone would recognize it as being "Louie Louie." That's very different from the "Layla" riff - which, if you changed the notes around, just *might* be recognizable as "Layla," but more likely not. Some of the writer's other choices seem dubious as riff to me as well: "Like a Hurricane" has a recurring melody, sure - but Young never really plays it exactly the same way, and it doesn't get sold as a riff, to me - - unlike, say, the lick that structures "Fuckin' Up" (oops - forgot the cartoon-curse characters...) Okay, then, so what is this "riff" creature anyway...? It also seems to me that composing around riffs isn't done as much anymore - is that a post- punk (not "post-punk") type thing? Cuz the only person I can think of off the top of my head who usually writes around riffs and also dates after late '70s or so is Tom Verlaine...and he's kind of a throwback anyway. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:36:00 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Raymond Chandler Number 17/More! Ok. I just watched the 1932 Alfred Hitchcock film "Number 17". Anyone see this? The movie has some of the absolute WORST acting I've ever seen! It's actually pretty funny. Anyway, I thought I'd point out that the movie starts out exactly like the Raymond Chandler Evening video- a hat floating around a street. I wonder if this was the inspiration for the video. - --------------------------- Eb mentioned (last week) the longest song titles. I was waiting, and am surprised no one mentioned Robyn's longest song title which appears on Gotta Let This Hen Out. "....so I went home wearing the wrong head." Can someone please count the words? OK, I know this isn't the official name....but thought it was worth mentioning. - --------------------------- > In other fegmeet news, I expect to be hooking up with Brian "lazerlove5" > Nupp in LA this Friday at a musical venue in Silverlake. No musical > collaboration is in the cards, but it looks like soon enough everyone on > the record will've met everyone else... at least in the "six degrees" > fashion... > > -Rex "tell 'em, Nuppy!" Broome Ok, I will. I'm heading out to LA for a few days to see Bid (Monochrome Set and Scarlet's Well) play a couple shows with the Realistic Love Openings. As I may have mentioned, Bid is playing different cities with different bands. Lazerlove5 (my band) backed him while he was in Ohio and we had a blast! It will be good to see him from the audience stand point this time around. Oh BTW, you can hear a couple songs we did if you look around here: http://www.lazerlove5.com/live.html Read below, which was FWD from Rex (small world): He's also playing Saturday: June 26th Liquid Den Huntingdon Beach, CA USA http://www.liquid-den.com/ - --------- Forwarded Message --------- FANS OF THE MONOCHROME SET, UNITE ! ! ONE NIGHT ONLY IN LOS ANGELES! LIVE! B - I - D Spells... BID! FRIDAY JUNE 25, 2004 Zen Sushi - 2609 Hyperion, Silverlake, CA 90027 323.805.0168 8:30 doors $7 OR $5 w/ flyer* or printout this email *flyer can be downloaded from: http://www.bid.clara.net/la-flyer.jpg (and if you don't have a printer, send an email R.S.V.P. with "BID Discount List" in Subject header to: babsworm@earthlink.net) Liner notes from Barbara "Babs" Radlein: 11pm THE UNREAL SCARLET'S WELL - Featuring BID, lead singer of THE MONOCHROME SET! 10pm Adam Ezra - For a benefit for The Art of Elysium The rumours are true! BID, original singer of the legendary UK pop ensemble THE MONOCHROME SET (aka "JOHN PEEL's Favorite Band") is finally getting round to stopping in the U.S. after over 20 years and 17 albums and will be performing right here in Los Angeles for the first time in recorded human history. He's backed by local LA band, REALISTIC LOVE OPENINGS, to bring you classic Monochrome Set and SCARLET'S WELL - Bid's current project on Siesta Records - tunes from yesterday and today! Descended (true story) from a long line of Indian kings ("It's still, technically, an offense for the British Queen to step on my shadow."), Bid played in pre-ADAM AND THE ANTS group THE B-SIDES, then founded The Monochrome Set in 1978 with early Ants refugees Lester Square and Andy Warren. Their first singles appeared on the original ROUGH TRADE label. MORRISSEY used to write fan letters to Bid in his pre-SMITHS days, and once remarked "How can anyone go through life without the dear, cuddly Monochrome Set?" ANDY WARHOL'S INTERVIEW MAGAZINE described them as "...possessed of a very bright wacky eclecticism... they have a very charming way of fusing seemingly incompatible styles of music that makes their songs fresh, instantly familiar and pleasantly alien..." Comparisons? The Smiths, Serge Gainsbourg, The Velvet Underground, Bonzo Dog Band, Syd Barrett, Divine Comedy, Ennio Morricone, Magnetic Fields, Pulp, XTC, The Kinks... Nick Scott interjects: "What about those obvious QUEEN comparisons?!!" and "Who the hell is Serge Gainsbourg? Is he some friend of Beck or something?" The new album from SCARLET'S WELL, "The Dream Spider Of The Laughing Horse" now available. The UNREAL SCARLET'S WELL is the name of Bid's project which allows him to play with musicians from any town anywhere in the world. The Monochrome Set: http://www.bid.clara.net/mset Also read this: http://www.punkbrighton.co.uk/sjrev06.html Scarlet's Well: http://www.scarletswell.co.uk Siesta Records: http://www.siesta.es/index.asp One final note from me, the 'actual' Nick Scott: I think I loved the Monochrome Set from the very first day I heard them. One thing can be said about them that I would consider the highest praise for a band possible, they are entirely unique. No one will EVER confuse a Monochrome Set recording with another artist as their bizarre amalgam of styles and seamless production and delivery are pretty much impossible to duplicate. Despised by punk rockers and my wife alike, I could give a flying fuck what they think and I wouldn't miss this show for the world. I may need to borrow a hand truck from somebody to get Adam there, though since he just got out of the hospital from knee surgery so if anyone has one, let me know! YEAH, baby. I've waited years for this since the Monochrome Set cancelled their show at the Showbox in Seattle some 25 or maybe more years ago. Finally!! Goddamn that J.D. Haney for quitting, too! - --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Jesus Christ! Are you still reading this? Anyway...I'm very surprised there aren't more Scarlet's Well/Robyn fans. I'm certain if some fegs were exposed to SWell they'd like it. Very unique stuff. I think this is the longest post ever. Sorry! All the best, Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > Dizzee Rascal, BOY IN DA CORNER > > These are the only three that made me go "um, just what is that?" I've > at least heard of the latter two, but utterly clueless on the first one. Funny, since the early buzz on Dizzee Rascal was "he's the next Mike Skinner!" and I know how you feel about the Streets... I put that Dizzee Rascal album in the same category as PIL's Metal Box; if I'm in the mood I like it, but ultimately I'm not sure that a brilliant evocation of the comflicted emotions which are a single step away from total nihilism will ever be something I can throw on the stereo for general listening purposes, and thus I have trouble loving it. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:48:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? > Vashti Bunyan, JUST ANOTHER DIAMOND DAY > Nic Jones, PENGUIN EGGS > Dizzee Rascal, BOY IN DA CORNER > > These are the only three that made me go "um, just what is that?" > I've at least heard of the latter two, but utterly clueless on the > first one. I scratched my head over Bunyan and Jones too. As ever, the Stone Roses thing is one of music's all-time "emperor has no clothes" goofs. Thank heavens the States didn't catch the virus. It's probably the same bug which convinces someone that Happy Mondays weren't impossibly wretched garbage. Given how hostile I am toward much of the contemporary UK-music ethic, it's not surprising that my own tally is somewhat deficient. I have just 51 albums from the list. Why is Grand Prix listed, over Bandwagonesque? Hounds of Love, over The Dreaming? Those catalog decisions puzzle me. Costello was badly shortchanged, as usual. *Two* Dexy's Midnight Runners albums?? Checking the albums which I don't have, I'm not even faintly interested in most of them. I'll buy a copy of Young Americans, someday. Might buy Regatta de Blanc, someday. I'm curious about the Slits, even though I probably wouldn't care for them. Ditto for the Ian Dury album. Maybe I'll warm up to the Jam, someday. Maybe I'd like Nick Drake more now, than when I heard his stuff at Darlene's place ages ago. That's about it. Missing artists/albums? So many. Even if I try to view the list from a trendy UK-mag aesthetic, and stifle my own preferences. Robyn/Soft Boys I guess Badly Drawn Boy is already "over" in the UK, eh? Belle & Sebastian Beth Orton Billy Bragg/"Back to Basics" is missing...but if that's an US-only release, fine Taking Tiger Mountain/Another Green World Bowie's "Heroes" All Things Must Pass Graham Parker or Kirsty MacColl, perhaps? Led Zeppelin's debut Not that I really care, but I'm surprised to see no Love & Rockets or Bauhaus. Oh, and nothing from the Cure??? Mott the Hoople/"Mott" Isn't Anything remains horribly underrated, swamped by the overrated Loveless The omission of PJ Harvey is *totally* inexcusable Peter Gabriel (a crueler deletion than Genesis) Roxy Music/"Country Life" The Pogues Spiritualized/Spacemen 3 Squeeze Super Furry Animals or Supergrass, perhaps? "A Hard Day's Night" Buzzcocks/"Singles Going Steady" The Jesus & Mary Chain/"Psychocandy": also totally inexcusable The Undertones "Who's Next," "Sell Out" and "Tommy" are missing, in favor of "My Generation"?? Traffic Wire!! XTC!! Looking at the above list, the number of snubbed groups turns out to be fairly staggering. But I guess they had to make room for Soul II Soul, Talk Talk, ABC, the La's, Happy Mondays, Bunyan/Jones/Dizzee Rascal, Dexy's Midnight Runners, the Verve, Primal Scream, Coldplay, Pet Shop Boys, Human League, Happy Mondays, Streets, etc. , Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:01:41 +0100 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? actually (and with the exception of my Dad...) i don't think ANYONE misses The Shadows... ;-) craigie* ...better late than never, until proven otherwise... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Dignan" To: Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 2:13 AM Subject: reap - and top 100? > I think everyone missed The Shadows > > > and has anyone noted this yet? Nick Drake scores surprisingly well > > > > James > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? Fortissimo wrote: > "Miles Goosens" said: > > At 10:26 AM 6/21/2004 -0700, Rex Broome wrote: > > >James notes: > > > >> > > > > Stone Roses? The greatest British album *ever*? The lack of a good follow up helps mythologize it and prevent the splitting of votes amongst the bands total oeuvre -- there are several Beatles or Stones or Dylan etc albums you could reasonably cite as their best, but no one - -- probably literally -- thinks Second Coming is better than The Stone Roses. Greatest debut albums, I could see it as a contender (though I'd still take Crocodiles, The Scream, Nowhere, Three Imaginary Boys, and probably a couple others), but greatest of all time is pretty ridiculous for an album that lulls that much in the middle (though it starts and ends strongly). ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:00:51 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? Eb >As ever, the Stone Roses thing is one of music's all-time "emperor has >no clothes" goofs. Thank heavens the States didn't catch the virus. >It's probably the same bug which convinces someone that Happy Mondays >weren't impossibly wretched garbage. The whole Stone Roses thing... I dunno. That first album is just about perfect for what it is, but I don't know that what it is is all that epochal. Nice jangly pop sliding into groovy territory at the end. And seriously... everything anyone involved in the band touched afterwards was total shite. Happy Mondays on the other hand I still quite like, although I'll probably be alone in that here. I think I just get off on how totally misanthropic they are. They were really more punk rock than just about anything that's sounded like punk rock in the last fifteen years or so. But that's probably just me. >Why is Grand Prix listed, over Bandwagonesque? Hounds of Love, over The >Dreaming? Those catalog decisions puzzle me. Costello was badly >shortchanged, as usual. Agreed on all points here. >I'll buy a copy of Young Americans, someday. >Might buy Regatta de Blanc, someday. >I'm curious about the Slits, even though I probably wouldn't care for >them. Not sure if I'll ever end up with the Police album (cf. previous Radiohead-AC/DC example. Young Americans is a bonehead choice for sure. Fine list of glaring omissions as well, Eb! - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:49:12 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:48 PM, Eb wrote: > > > Looking at the above list, the number of snubbed groups turns out to > be fairly staggering. But I guess they had to make room for Soul II > Soul, Talk Talk, ABC, the La's, Happy Mondays, Bunyan/Jones/Dizzee > Rascal, Dexy's Midnight Runners, the Verve, Primal Scream, Coldplay, > Pet Shop Boys, Human League, Happy Mondays, Streets, etc. > Whoa, whoa, whoa now! Have a listen to the two final albums before you go lumping Talk Talk in with that trash! The group started out disposably enough, sure, but Spirit Of Eden and Laughing Stock would both go in my top ten albums regardless of national origin... in fact, both reside on the very short list of records so good they scare me. The individual top ten lists of each "expert panelist" include some commentary, and reveal that Nic Jones was a folk-rock type working in the 70's. Kate Rusby and one of the other voters both mention him. As for Vashti Bunyan, I first started hearing her name a couple of months ago in connection with Devendra Banhart. Apparently he considers her far and away his biggest influence. Whether that means she sounds anything like him, I dunno. She was active in the late 60's-early 70's far's I know. Re: Banhart himself, I'm not sure exactly what I think yet, but the guy is certainly an incredible and original guitarist. Anyway... not quite as bland a Top 100 as the one Rolling Stone publishes every other month. But close. Jeez, one of the two panelists from The Doves voted for the fourth Scott Walker record! A longtime expatriate, sure, but he's frickin' American through and through! Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap - and top 100? Rex Broome wrote: > And seriously... everything anyone involved in the band > touched afterwards was total shite. I thought Primal Scream's XTRMNTR was pretty good, but other than that, total shite is pretty much an understatement. > Happy Mondays on the other hand I still quite like, > although I'll probably be alone in that here. I think I > just get off on how totally misanthropic they are. They > were really more punk rock than just about anything > that's sounded like punk rock in the last fifteen years > or so. But that's probably just me. I like _Pills'N'Thrills & Bellyaches_, but other than I never cared much one way or the other. But I completely agree about their attitude was definitely more punk than even the better last generation "punk" bands, whoever they might actually be. That may have just been the crack though. > >Why is Grand Prix listed, over Bandwagonesque? This one didn't annoy me at all since I'd rate them pretty evenly. It is a little surprising, I guess. If it had been Howdy!, then we'd have a problem. >> Costello was badly shortchanged, as usual. > > Agreed on all points here. My Aim is True (I think that was the only EC, or did I miss one?) always shows up on lists like this, and I can easily think of 7* -- maybe 8 or 9 -- EC albums I like much better. The songs are fine, but Clover were just too passive a band for him, and it just wreaks havoc all over MAIT. I would say it could just be the effect of having heard him with The Attractions more or less first, but that's true of most of the people voting in this damn things now too. *This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy!!, Imperial Bedroom, King of America, Spike, and Brutal Youth -- those last 3 are probably less popular choices than the first 3 - --with Trust and When I was Cruel as maybes. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey "It would not now surprise me in the least if, one night on TV, right there during The Memo, [Bill] O'Reilly declared himself to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia." -- Charles Pierce on MSNBC.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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