From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #162 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 3 2004 Volume 13 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap-ish [Capuchin ] RE: The Paw-Paw Cardboard Digipak ["Fortissimo" ] Re: reap-ish [Eb ] Re: Jeme has pretty much nailed it, as have others [Tom Clark ] Re: MG and RB [Eb ] Things are more like they used to be than they are now [James Dignan ] Re: Eno re-releases [James Dignan ] Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) [James Dignan ] Re: Jeme has pretty much nailed it, as have others ["Fortissimo" ] Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) ["Fortissimo" ] re: MG and RB [Capuchin ] Re: Wasn't Narcissus a long box? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) ["Rex Broome" ] Re: The Paw-Paw Cardboard Digipak ["Stewart C. Russell" ] iTunes Music Store - blech [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: reap-ish On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > This is sad to me because it implies the end of a long history with > Elektra Records of managing to maintain a boutique-label-y ambience even > though they've been part of a major for quite some time. I saw the end of that "long history" when they dropped They Might Be Giants in, what, 1999? along with a whole slew of other acts. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:48:31 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: The Paw-Paw Cardboard Digipak On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:29:23 -0700, "Rex Broome" said: > Palle > >I still have some CDs that I bought in the eighties. Man the booklets sucked > >back then. There's nothing inside but that AAD, ADD, DDD stuff! What were > >they thinking? > > At the time? They were thinking "this is so much better than cassette > packaging", and we were agreeing! Excellent point: I think a lot of us forget those few years, immediately before the onset of CDs, when *cassettes* were the dominant medium (in terms of sales - largely thanks to the original Sony Walkman. For youngsters, that was like an iPod that held, oh, 0.000001 gig of music)...awful shit. Remember those commercial cassettes that folded pages over inside the case, but punched holes in them to accommodate the, uh, roller thingies whose names I forget? I think, too, that the intial price point of CDs was so high compared to LPs/cassettes, the industry cut as many corners as it could in packaging to sell the medium, figuring the sound itself (and the cool shiny discs in the bright shiny jewelboxes...) would be the chief selling point. Okay - and remember "longboxes"? When did those disappear...'94? '95? Christ I'm old. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:57:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap-ish >> This is sad to me because it implies the end of a long history with >> Elektra Records of managing to maintain a boutique-label-y ambience >> even >> though they've been part of a major for quite some time. > > I saw the end of that "long history" when they dropped They Might Be > Giants in, what, 1999? along with a whole slew of other acts. > All music discussions inevitably wind back to TMBG with you, don't they? But yeah, there was a time a few years ago when Elektra really cleaned house. Luna, Ween, Afghan Whigs, TMBG, etc. They also dumped Moby, and we all know what a clever move *that* turned out to be.... I doubt the Flaming Lips are in trouble, btw. Their media profile is just sky-high right now. There are only a few artists left in the WEA stable which I enjoy, but among others, I assume Billy Bragg and the Breeders will get dropped shortly. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:07:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Jeme has pretty much nailed it, as have others On Jun 3, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > The problem seems to > arise from parents who suddenly both seem to care about nothing else at > all (although that may simply be a time-factor thing) and who also > metamorphose into suburban drones, if not literally suburbanizing then > in > terms of appearance, politics, and general social attitudes. It's as if > they'd been told that certain things go with being "parents," and > figure > that they now must *be* those things. > That hits home. My sister is the epitome of this phenomenon. I remember her being a defiantly anti-establishment, rock-n-roll, free thinking person until her second kid was born and she moved to a "planned community" in Arizona where everyone wears sensible shoes and goes to church on Sunday. Wow: Now it's Jesus this and Veggie Tales that, Clinton was evil for getting a hummer, and let's put a yellow ribbon on the Ford Excursion to show we support the troops*. Meanwhile, my brother is still the same irresponsible kid he always was, except now he watches The Daily Show with his 6 and 3 year olds. Me? Let's just say I'll never change, for better or worse. - -tc *And if you'll allow me a slight tangent, I've just been itching to say that I think Pat Tillman was just a selfish jar-head who lived to inflict pain, and saw the Army as the perfect opportunity to do so. He's ten times less a hero than the poor inner city kid who joined up for college tuition and ended up blasting his way out of a Baghdad firefight. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:10:03 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: The Paw-Paw Cardboard Digipak At 05:48 PM 6/3/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >Okay - and remember "longboxes"? When did those disappear...'94? '95? I just saw a few in Costco the other day, with printed covers and everything - not just those generic single color ones with the square window cut into them so you can see the actual CD. It made me long to buy a few, cut out the front covers and staple them to my bedroom wall, just like in college. But, I just polished off a case of Hudy Gold and passed out instead. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:12:35 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Jeme has pretty much nailed it, as have others At 04:07 PM 6/3/2004 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: >I remember her being a defiantly anti-establishment, rock-n-roll, free >thinking person until her second kid was born and she moved to a "planned >community" in Arizona where everyone wears sensible shoes and goes to >church on Sunday. This is exactly what happened to Alice Cooper. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:13:55 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: re: MG and RB Eb: >I do that too, though in a fairly spartan manner. For my box sets which >don't house the discs in individual jewelboxes (I believe this boils >down to two Nuggets boxes, the Burt Bacharach box and the Charles >Mingus box), I transferred the discs to spare jewelboxes and added back >inserts with self-typed track listings. My two Nuggets boxes came with individual jewel cases, but I don't discount differing issues or the possibility you mean something other than the big Rhino Nuggets & Nuggets II box sets of recent-ish years. I think for me it's just been the XTC, Bunnymen and Ochs discs, and a roots music box or two. I feel like it's been more, but I think that's because I do the same thing with digitized vinyl or anything I get in trade without artwork, if I consider it legitimate enough to warrant at least as much regular listening as the bottom third of the "legit" releases on the shelf. Yup, spring has sprung and a young feg's fancy turns as always to organizing your CD's. Next topic: iTunes. It alphabetizes band names without regard to "The -" or "-, The"... and yet still sees the two as separate bands when you dial them up on your iPod. Hmmm. - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:20:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: MG and RB >> I do that too, though in a fairly spartan manner. For my box sets >> which >> don't house the discs in individual jewelboxes (I believe this boils >> down to two Nuggets boxes, the Burt Bacharach box and the Charles >> Mingus box), I transferred the discs to spare jewelboxes and added >> back >> inserts with self-typed track listings. > > My two Nuggets boxes came with individual jewel cases, but I don't > discount differing issues or the possibility you mean something other > than the big Rhino Nuggets & Nuggets II box sets of recent-ish years. Oops, never mind. OK, maybe I only did this for the Bacharach and Mingus boxes. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:58:09 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Things are more like they used to be than they are now > > Let's see...one band has a dead bassist and drummer. The other band > > has a > > live bassist and drummer. > > > > Meet the...Whotles? > > >Hey, congrats on being the 400th person to make this joke. Or maybe the >posts *are* getting held back for years? I could have sworn I saw folks >debating whether the Millennium started in 2000 or 2001, too! Old news is the new New news. Check out . According to a recent interview, Macca says that (shock!) the Beatles used drugs! James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:00:15 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Wasn't Narcissus a long box? Jeffrey: >Okay - and remember "longboxes"? When did those disappear...'94? '95? Earlier, more like '92. I remember being in Europe in '91 and being weirded out that you could identify the "import" section by spying the longboxes, and then coming home to find out they were almost gone in the states, too. Seems to me Tower was the first chain to bag 'em. Hey, remember *why* longboxes existed? Because the industry thought (or at least publicly stated) that record stores would balk at the new format because it would mean building new shelves, so CD's would only ever be viable if their packaging was at least the height of an LP. Thank god the record industry never camouflages their shortsighted self-interest with lame-o transparent rationalizations like that anymore! - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:37 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Eno re-releases >Anyone else picked these up yet, and have their own opinions? (James, I >know you're an Eno fan...) No - from what I'd heard there was little point. These are re-releases, not remasters, and I already have the four originals. These have shoddy covers, a few glitches (like the "Rosalie" one you mentioned), no bonus material, very little improvement in sound quality, and they're copy protected, which (from what I gather) means that the sound quality is likely to be *poorer* than on the original releases. Eno deserves better. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:32:45 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) > > in other words, you're arguing that if enough people say the same > > wrong thing, it suddenly becomes right. > >Well, uh, yes - except sub "gradually" for "suddenly." Please consult the >etymologies of various words for support: one well-known example is >"nice." > >Or one I've just recently become aware of, "legend." The common usage of >the word to mean "notable or preeminent instance of" - as in the >forthcoming philatelic series "Legends of Pedantry," depicting notable >pedants through the ages - is recent enough that in the dictionary >closest to hand here at my lame-ass job (Webster's New Collegiate >Dictionary, 1981 ed.), that definition is not even listed. One comes >close - "a person or thing that inspires legends." But the transition >from the Latin gerund meaning approx. "gathering," to specifically a >story gathered from the past, to the sense that emphasizes the mythic >quality of such stories ("people say that, but it's just a legend"), to >"person that inspires legends," is a fairly major semantic shift or >expansion. Presumably, those shifts were motivated by shifts in the way >people used the word. (And how the meaning evolved that denotes a caption >or the list of symbols on a map, I don't know...) Of course some words change their meaning: nice, fine, legend - all are major shifts in usage from fairly vague original meanings (by which I mean they have qualitative definitions and are therefore subject to opinion and a certain degree of arbitrariness). A small shift in usage from something that has a rigorous, quantitative meaning, however, is another matter entirely. Also, we're not really seeking a definition of millennium, we're looking at its usage as a definition - something entirely different. Terms used in such a way usually only change their meaning when there is a scientific shift which allows for more accuracy in their measurement (like when the second went from being 1/86,400 of a day to a certain number of molecular oscillations) or through a radical shift with a change in linguistic styles (like the US usage of billion to mean a milliard). Neither of these things has occurred with millennium - it is still a 1000 year period of the Christian/common era, based around a starting point at the beginning of 1 CE/AD. As to legend, I'd try a newer dictionary. "A person who achieves celebrated or notorious fame." is one of the definitions in the Reader's Digest Great Illustrated Dictionary. >What bugs *me* a bit is how you can't remove "The" from singular band >names. Like, if Faces albums are listed under "Faces," it looks fine. >But if you see a column with the names "Who," "Fall," "Band," "Police," >"Clean," etc. it looks really screwy. :) I take it you don't own anything by The The? (I do - it's filed under "The, The"). And what about bands that dropped their "The" during their lifetime, like "(The) Pink Floyd"? >Standard American usage has always treated singular group nouns (The Who, >Mercury Rev, Mott the Hoople) with singular verbs. a further confusion - band names that are the names of people; IIRC Polly Harvey is the individual, PJ Harvey is the band - so does PJ Harvey release her, their, or its new album? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:32:47 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: The Paw-Paw Carboard Digipak >Oh, and regarding oversized cardboard sleeves which don't fit right >into a CD collection, I have exactly two [...] Epsilon Blue - Waterland Lemon Jelly - Lost horizons King Crimson - Cirkus Jale - So wound. I can't remember the last time I even listened to either of the last two. The other two make up for it. >I spent several years storing my discs in 10-pound jelly bean boxes from >my family's candy store, after discovering that they fit precisely 25 CDs. and banana boxes were perfect for LPs, too. I make handy-dandy modular shelves for CDs - very easy, very sturdy, works perfectly. I have considered going the 'dump the jewel boxes, put them in folders' way, but it just seems like so much hassle. Of course, I need another wall to put shelves on, but... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:34:56 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Jeme has pretty much nailed it, as have others On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:12:35 -0700, "Jason R. Thornton" said: > At 04:07 PM 6/3/2004 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: > > >I remember her being a defiantly anti-establishment, rock-n-roll, free > >thinking person until her second kid was born and she moved to a "planned > >community" in Arizona where everyone wears sensible shoes and goes to > >church on Sunday. > > This is exactly what happened to Alice Cooper. Wait a sec: Tom Clark's sister is Alice Cooper? Wow. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:42:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Paw-Paw Carboard Digipak >> Oh, and regarding oversized cardboard sleeves which don't fit right >> into a CD collection, I have exactly two [...] > > Epsilon Blue - Waterland > Lemon Jelly - Lost horizons > King Crimson - Cirkus > Jale - So wound. Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't So Wound *undersized*? Out the door, no time to check. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:44:42 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:32:45 +1200, "James Dignan" said: > I take it you don't own anything by The The? (I do - it's filed under > "The, The"). And what about bands that dropped their "The" during > their lifetime, like "(The) Pink Floyd"? To simplify, I use whichever usage became most common (i.e., Pink Floyd, Cream - no "the"). What's been driving me bats - since I'm inputting my collection into the Music Collector database - is morons who input faulty data & submit that to CDDB etc. Christ - if you're going to bother submitting, at least proofread first. So I'm plowing through the most difficult items first - compilations - and am being pretty compulsive about bands being listed correctly re the presence of "the," alphabetization thereof, etc. What's the point of a database that, if you want to look up how many tracks you have by the Rolling Stones, brings up half under "Rolling Stones"," another batch under "Rolling Stones, The," and yet more under "The Rolling Stones" (alpha'd as such)? Anyway: the handful of tracks so far entered by The The: listed under "The, The." Although how do we know the intent wasn't just to repeat the article, without it actually *meaning* anything...? > a further confusion - band names that are the names of people; IIRC > Polly Harvey is the individual, PJ Harvey is the band - so does PJ > Harvey release her, their, or its new album? Again, I simplify: I file albums nominally by "PJ Harvey" the band right alongside those nominally by PJ Harvey the musician (her last few have been solo, no band as such - even though billed as "PJ Harvey"). When they first came out, I was picky in arguing that "PJ Harvey" was a band & should be under P. Now, I treat names as names (unless they're fictitious and don't designate a band member: i.e., something like Bent Hammer & the Nails, w/no one in the band using that name, goes under B. If a band member called him/herself "Bent Hammer," it'd go under H. Anyway: in retrospect, I tend to refer to any PJ Harvey album as "her" album - her personality being so dominant, and her solo career proceeding with the same name. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: MG and RB On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Eb wrote: > The obvious difference is that "Faces" ends in -s and "Who" doesn't. > Makes perfect sense to me. It's not even the ending in "s", really. "The Faces" is a plural and "The Who" is not. Consider what one would do with a band called The Few. It's a plural, so you'd treat like you would The Faces, but it doesn't end in "s". > I've wrestled with this problem numerous times, though -- it does have > some gray area. Like, it sounds fine to say "The Who begins its tour on > August 22nd," but it sounds terrible to say "The Who destroyed its > instruments during the encore." Maybe it comes down to the predicate > noun being singular rather than plural. I usually just work around the > problem by choosing to phrase the latter thought in a different way. Right-o. Avoid awkward constructions by rewording the sentence. > What bugs *me* a bit is how you can't remove "The" from singular band > names. Like, if Faces albums are listed under "Faces," it looks fine. > But if you see a column with the names "Who," "Fall," "Band," "Police," > "Clean," etc. it looks really screwy. :) The band isn't called Clean, it's called The Clean (now that's an ambiguous number! Are they The Clean or is it The Clean? -- Talking Heads answered that question for us when they named their record "The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads".). I file such things under T. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: MG and RB On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Rex Broome wrote: > Next topic: iTunes. It alphabetizes band names without regard to "The > -" or "-, The"... and yet still sees the two as separate bands when you > dial them up on your iPod. Hmmm. Gadzooks! Is that configurable? An article in a proper noun can't just be ignored! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:54:15 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Wasn't Narcissus a long box? On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:00:15 -0700, "Rex Broome" said: > Hey, remember *why* longboxes existed? Because the industry thought (or > at least publicly stated) that record stores would balk at the new format > because it would mean building new shelves, so CD's would only ever be > viable if their packaging was at least the height of an LP. Thank god > the record industry never camouflages their shortsighted self-interest > with lame-o transparent rationalizations like that anymore! Don't forget "theft prevention": because CDs are so small, you can just stick them under your jacket. Longboxes (scientific research proved) were too large to do that. Of course, the research clearly wasn't done in a Wisconsin winter, with heavy long coats & all... On another note: The packaging pretty clearly billed the Eno reissues as being "remastered from the original tapes" - not just reissued. And if they're "copy protected," they're not done very well (thank god): I just ripped a track from one to check, and it sounds fine. Are we talking about the same issues? AGW in this series has a UPC of 7 24357 72912 3... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:55:23 -0700 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) James: >I take it you don't own anything by The The? (I do - it's filed under >"The, The"). And what about bands that dropped their "The" during >their lifetime, like "(The) Pink Floyd"? Back to iTunes... when I started loading mine up, I wasn't net-capable at home, so I was hand-inputting information and did some things "my way". We all recently agreed that, according to the Norman-Thornton Convention on Band Names (Resolution FG703) you may no longer arbitrarily mess with the capitalization of your band name, but I grandfathered fIREHOSE and the minutemen. Now that I'm online and using the Gracenote CDDB, I'm mixing those up with tracks by Minutemen and Firehose, who in addition to having a name that looks more disturbingly like Firehouse than ever, also somewhat paradoxically released an album which is recognized by Gracenote as being entitled "fROMOHIO". Just sayin'. >a further confusion - band names that are the names of people; IIRC >Polly Harvey is the individual, PJ Harvey is the band - so does PJ >Harvey release her, their, or its new album? And more fun for aphabetizing! Technically it seems that her first two records, when PJ Harvey was theoretically the name of the band, should be filed under "p", and all subsequent ones under "h". This protocol, of course, has been followed by exactly nobody ever under any circumstances. Next up: Iggy Stooge and/or Pop and/or the Stooges. Go! - -Rex Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:13:53 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: pedantry (both millennia and band names) On Thu, Jun 3, 2004, Rex Broome wrote: > >a further confusion - band names that are the names of people; IIRC > >Polly Harvey is the individual, PJ Harvey is the band - so does PJ > >Harvey release her, their, or its new album? > > And more fun for aphabetizing! Technically it seems that her first two records, when PJ Harvey was theoretically the name of the band, should be filed under "p", and all subsequent ones under "h". This protocol, of course, has been followed by exactly nobody ever under any circumstances. Next up: Iggy Stooge and/or Pop and/or the Stooges. Go! And don't forget Alice Cooper. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:33:43 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The Paw-Paw Cardboard Digipak Palle Hoffstein wrote: > I only have one over-sized cardboard cd package - a Lemon Jelly CD, one of > the few real electronica albums I own. weird -- I have both LJ CDs (in Canadian release, no less), and they both fit in my rack fine. The Jelly are a guilty pleasure of mine; for I while I had to restrained from adding "... and a big fellow too!" onto the end of ever sentence. I only gave three CDs that don't fit: * a Billy Childish compilation and book * The Lonesome Organist's latest (the one with the flickbook) * some compilation of original songs by members of one of my geeky internet mailing lists. Man, must've been a complete d.s. who made that packaging. I can't remember the last time I listened to a CD instead of ripping it for MP3age. Stewart (... and a big fellow too!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:02:03 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: The Eno Glitch Alright, so I got curious, and A/B'd the two editions of "Everything Merges with the Night." In fact, I created an edited version that restores the deleted two bars. What's amazing is that there's a very audible glitch in the new edition where the bars got cut out. (Granted, the original version bears signs of a not-too-clean edit as well...) Anyway, you can hear for yourself: I've put up short (~10sec) mp3 excerpts. The original (from the EG issue): http://tonerbomb.warpmail.net/old.mp3 The new one with missing bars: http://tonerbomb.warpmail.net/new.mp3 My composite: http://tonerbomb.warpmail.net/edit.mp3 There's a bit more stereo separation in the new one, I think. I think I did a reasonably good job - using just Goldwave - on the edit. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:04:43 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: iTunes Music Store - blech The iTMS is starting to really piss me off. I heard the song Followed The Waves from Melissa Auf Der Maur (hot bassist from The Smashing Pumpkins and Hole) and really liked it. Album released in the US on June 1 and I checked it out on the iTMS since I still have about $25 from a gift certificate there. $13.99. Fuck you. I can get the actual CD cheaper here in NYC and do whatever the hell I want with it. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #162 ********************************