From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #139 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 15 2004 Volume 13 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rush News (NR) [Miles Goosens ] Re: the moral high ground [Eb ] Re: you know what [grutness@surf4nix.com] an attempt to change the subject [grutness@surf4nix.com] further to my last question... [grutness@surf4nix.com] RE: the moral high ground ["cmb adams" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] Re: you know what [steve ] Re: Tinfoil Hats [Jon Lewis ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #138 [M R Godwin ] Re: the moral high ground [Barbara E Soutar ] Re: the moral high ground [Eb ] Re: the moral high ground ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] Re: the moral high ground ["cmb adams" ] RE: the moral high ground ["cmb adams" ] RE: the moral high ground ["FS Thomas" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #133 ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:16:26 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Rush News (NR) Michael Wells sez re: Rush: >Perhaps the best part about going to opening night in Nashville in a couple >weeks is that I finally get to meet Miles! While I'm really looking forward to meeting Michael, let me waste no time in making it clear that I am *not* attending the Rush show. Indeed, while theoretically a sufficient amount of money could be paid to me to procure my attendance at such an event, that amount is unlikely to be forthcoming. :-) However, I hope for Mr. Wells' sake that Rush kicks ass in whatever peculiarly Rush-y form and context in which Michael-Wells-pleasing Rush-ass-kicking may take, and that it's the Best Rush Show Ever! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:42:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the moral high ground > that's aluminum-foil-hat protecting-from-alien-thought-rays > territory Seems like I'm seeing this "tinfoil hat" image *everywhere*, lately. How did this nonsense start? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:06:19 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: you know what > > So by your equation, the American people are healthy, purposeful, and >> aware of their worth, whereas the Spanish are sickly, aimless, and >> consider themselves somewhere on the lower rungs of the evolutionary >> ladder? > >Hell, NO! Americans are a GREAT target for terrorism! They're insecure, >panicky, reactionary, and totally disenfranchised. (This is speaking >broadly of culture, of course, and not descriptive of all Americans >individually.) and similarly, the Spanish were already well on the way to kicking out a government that got them involved in the Iraq mess. The train terrorism didn't change their minds one bit (if it had, they'd have gone charging back into Iraq looking for revenge). >It's rather late in the game, but...all Arabs are not Muslim; all Muslims >are not fundamentalist; all fundamentalist Muslims are not terrorists; >and no one has offered anything close to proof that Iraq had anything to >do with those terrorists, and there is plenty of evidence suggesting >that, as a secular state, Iraq would have been regarded as an enemy, not >a friend. you missed an important one: not all terrorists are Arabs, let alone being fundamentalist Muslims. It was only a handful of years ago we (i.e., the US, UK, and willing helpers) were trying to protect Muslims from terrorism in Bosnia. James PS - y'know, I actually almost agree with some of what Jeme's been saying. These are scary times indeed. PPS - happy birthday to Eb's sister, whom - ISTR - we nicknamed Flo. - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 21:07:45 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: an attempt to change the subject Can anyone here offer me any opinions on The Bees? I heard one song of theres today and was moderately impressed. Another 1968-72 inspired group by the sound of it, and with - gasp - upright piano as a major instrument. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 22:17:41 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: further to my last question... I';ve found a little info on the Bees, and it's set me wondering. The Bees, a.k.a. "A band of bees", are from the Isle of wight. Now what musician that we know - connected with said island - had, with his former band, an album with a similar name? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:46:52 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: RE: the moral high ground On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:04:57 -0400, FS Thomas wrote > > bin laden is still a free man. > The cynic in my says: The election isn't until November. good point. > > our economy is in the shitter and likely to > > get worse, in large part because of wartime > > spending. > > By whose rule of thumb? Yes, the deficit is growing, but the jobless > numbers are the lowest they've been in years. Every major index is > showing improvement. this has already been addressed elsewhere, but I'll add that things may very well be half-decent in the short-term, but if you think the kind of deficits they're running now and the $200+ billion they're flushing down the toilet on this debiraqcle aren't going to let us in for years of economic misery, you haven't paid much attention to the last half century of american history. > Had the attacks come eight months into Clinton's second term (or any > President's--it doesn't matter) the economy would have taken a > drastic hit. absolutely. the attacks would have fucked our shit up pretty well if they'd happened in 1996. the clinton administration's response to them would probably have been something different but similar in kneejerk and short-sighted nature. > We're in fantastically good condition, all things considered. yeah, ok. just keep clicking your ruby slippers and telling yourself that. > > and we're fast becoming a subject of international > > fear and loathing. > > Difficult questions often require difficult answers. If taking on > the likes of global terrorism are what it takes to secure not only > our citizens, but those of any other free country, that is certainly > a lofty, difficult, and some would say impossible task. and one that certainly isn't served by invading a country that had little connection with global terror and, in the process, creating hundreds (if not thousands) eager new terrorist recruits who would otherwise not have given much of a shit. > If opinion > of the US suffers for it, and we manage to succeed, then what > concern should we have for Global or Localized opinion? none at all, unless one is interested in international trade, peaceful foreign relations, citizens' ability to travel outside the country unmolested, tourist trade from other countries, and international treaties and conventions that govern everything from telecommunications to pollution to copyright protection to labor law. > Doing what > is right (or just or appropriate) is often unpopular. but not as often as war crimes. if we're going to go to the trouble to be unpopular as a nation, wouldn't it be great to be unpopular for the former rather than the latter? > > > Quite honestly what reactions it *has* elicited are far, far less > > > grave than they could have (or, in many ways, should have) been. > > > > oh? and what should the response have been? > > As arguably the most powerful country in the world, the Arab street > should count their lucky stars that we show restraint. that wasn't much of an answer. what, in your opinion, should the response have been? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:40:03 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground > Capuchin > > Heh! The whole "blame 9/11 for the economy" bit! That's > amazing. You know, I was laid off in September of 2001 from > my senior, previously "essential personnel" position (I was > denied voluntary lay-off on two occasions prior). In fact, > we all come to find out that the lay-offs were supposed to > happen on 9/14, but were POSTPONED because of the attacks (by > two pointless weeks), presumably to decrease the chances of > someone totally snapping and coming back with a weapon or > something. The economy was on the way down before the > attacks. There's no way that the attacks could have > precipitated the downturn that started prior to the attacks > themselves. Look at the timeline. Whatever impact the > attacks might have had on sales or new housing starts or > whatever simply could not have caused lay-offs within the > same quarter. I didn't say that was the *only* thing. The economy was "suffering" through a correct after the artificial market inflation of mid- to late-nineties. That whole dot-com thang you may have heard about once or twice before. Again, any president coming on the heels of Clinton (in that case either Bush or Gore) would have taken power after an arguably fiscally successful administration. The market adjustment had already started taking effect during the final nine months to year of Clinton's second term, and only proceeded to get worse. Take that market adjustment and compound it with the havoc of 9-11 and, yes, you have a problem. I would not lay the blame squarely on the attacks from 9-11, but they cannot be wholly discounted, either. > Uh huh... and how is bombing and military occupation of > foreign nations NOT global terrorism? How are non-uniformed combatants, emerging from civilian masses, attacking, and blending back in not? How are roadside bombs and carbombings not? How is taking up positions in mosques and schools not? - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:06:07 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground > As for Ron Brown: plane crash; Vince Foster: suicide. You > don't seriously believe Clinton (as the far-right wackos > hold) had them killed, do you? I mean, that's > aluminum-foil-hat protecting-from-alien-thought-rays > territory, there. Brown's plane crash was a strange mess. On April 3, 1996, Clinton's Commerce Secretary died in plane crash in Croatia, along with 34 others. Two Air Force forensic pathologists have stated that his head looked like it had a bullet wound. The Air Force performed no autopsy. On orders from President Bill Clinton, bodies from the crash were cremated. According to the Pentagon, there was no black box on this United States Air Force jet, a comment made about 10 hours after the United States European Command said that they had the black box. A close confidante to Brown, Nolanda Hill, has reported that Brown had confronted Clinton just before his trip -- telling him, "I won't go down alone." After the crash, Clinton hastily ordered all the bodies cremated. Shelly Kelly - the only survivor from the Ron Brown plane crash. Four hours after the crash, she boarded a rescue helicopter. She died 20 minutes later, in the presence of medical personnel, from an incision over her main femoral artery. The autopsy performed by Croatian medical personnel revealed that the injury took place after the crash. Nike Jerkuic, Croatian beacon operator - Allegedly committed suicide by a shot to his chest about one hour before he was to be questioned about the Ron Brown plane crash. This is significant because Nike Jerkuic was the only person who could have known whether the directional beacon that guides the planes in was even operating when Brown's plane crashed. http://www.daywilliams.com/clinton_related_deaths_02.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/BROWN/brown.html > It's rather late in the game, but...all Arabs are not Muslim; > all Muslims are not fundamentalist; all fundamentalist > Muslims are not terrorists; and no one has offered anything > close to proof that Iraq had anything to do with those > terrorists, and there is plenty of evidence suggesting that, > as a secular state, Iraq would have been regarded as an > enemy, not a friend. "There is absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda ever," Clarke declared March 21 on CBS' 60 MINUTES. Because Baathist Iraq and al Qaeda colluded less than, say, Iceland and the Cosa Nostra, the theory goes, President Bush squandered American time, treasure, and blood by hunting Saddam Hussein rather than Osama bin Laden. This view totally overlooks extensive connections between Baghdad and bin Laden. Just ask Richard Clarke. * On Wednesday, he told the September 11 Commission about Abdul Rahman Yasin, the al Qaeda operative indicted who federal prosecutors indicted for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that rocked the World Trade Center, killed six, and injured 1,042 people on February 26, 1993. "He was an Iraqi," Clarke observed. "Therefore, when the explosion took place, and he fled the United States, he went back to Iraq." While Clarke believes Baghdad did not orchestrate that attack, he concedes that Hussein embraced this assassin. "The Iraqi government," Clarke continued, "didn't cooperate in turning him over and gave him sanctuary, as it did give sanctuary to other terrorists." "Last week, Day One confirmed he [Yasin] is in Baghdad," ABC correspondent Sheila MacVicar reported June 27, 1994. "Just a few days ago, he was seen at [his father's] house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely." Vice President Dick Cheney told National Public Radio last January 22: "We've discovered since [Iraq's liberation] documents indicating that a guy named Abdul Rahman Yasin, who was a part of the team that attacked the World Trade Center in '93, when he arrived back in Iraq was put on the payroll and provided a house, safe harbor and sanctuary." * WorldNetDaily.com excavated on Tuesday a January 23, 1999, WASHINGTON POST article in which Clarke defended the Clinton administration's August 20, 1998, cruise-missile strike on the El Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. That mission avenged al Qaeda's demolition of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that August 7, which killed 224 individuals and injured more than 5,000. The POST quoted Clarke as "sure" that Iraqi experts there produced a powdered VX nerve gas component. According to the POST, Clarke "said that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa's current and past operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts and the National Islamic Front in Sudan." * Meanwhile, Palestinian terrorist Abu Abbas made news March 9 by dying of natural causes in U.S. military custody in Iraq. Green Berets captured him last April 14 in Baghdad, where he had lived under Hussein's protection since 2000. After masterminding the 1985 ACHILLE LAURO cruise ship hijacking, in which U.S. retiree Leon Klinghoffer was murdered, Abbas slipped Italian custody. How? ''Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport,'' Italy's then- premiere Bettino Craxi announced then. So, Rome let him split for Yugoslavia, and beyond. * Speaking of diplomacy, the Philippine government booted the second secretary at Iraq's Manila embassy, Hisham al Hussein, on February 13, 2003, after discovering that the same mobile phone that reached his number on October 3, 2002, six days later rang another cell phone strapped to a bomb at the San Roque Elementary School in Zamboanga. While that device failed, another exploded one day earlier in Zamboanga, wounding 23 and killing three, including U.S. Special Forces Sergeant First Class Mark Wayne Jackson. That mobile phone also registered calls to Abu Madja and Hamsiraji Ali, leaders of Abu Sayyaf, al Qaeda's Philippine branch. It was launched in the late 1980s by the late Abdurajak Janjalani, with the help of Jamal Mohammad Khalifa, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law. As the WASHINGTON TIMES's Marc Lerner reported on March 3, 2003, Hamsiraji Ali, an Abu Sayyaf commander on the southern island of Basilan, bragged that his group received almost $20,000 annually from Iraqis close to Saddam Hussein. "It's so we would have something to spend on chemicals for bomb- making and for the movement of our people," Sali explained. Iraqi diplomat Muwafak al-Ani also was expelled from the Philippines, the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR's Dan Murphy reported February 26, 2003. In 1991, an Iraqi embassy car took two terrorists near America's Thomas Jefferson Cultural Center in Manila. As they hid a bomb there, it exploded, killing one fanatic. Al-Ani's business card was found in the survivor's pocket, triggering al-Ani's ouster. * WASHINGTON TIMES Pentagon correspondents Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough reported March 19 on a 20-page, Arabic-language document from the Iraqi Intelligence Service. Stamped "top secret," it lists IIS "collaborators," among them, "the Saudi Osama bin Laden." It says he is a "Saudi businessman and is in charge of the Saudi opposition in Afghanistan...And he is in good relationship with our section in Syria." Signed "Jabar," the 1993 record seemed authentic to an American official who reviewed it. * "Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad," CIA Director George Tenet concluded in an October 7, 2002 letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al-Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links with terrorists will increase, even absent US military action." [Deroy Murdock, National Review Online, March 26, 2004] No connections whatsoever. Not a one. Nope. > You know, I still haven't heard anyone who favors the war in > Iraq offer a clear rationale for why we're there, what we > hope to accomplish, and how we're going to accomplish it - > taking into account actual reality, in particular the > reactions of the Iraqi people, rather than ideologically > driven flight to La-La Land. Speaking of flip-flopping, how > many different rationales have been offered and discarded by now? I can offer conjecture: Why: We went in to depose Hussein. A policy of "regime change" was formerly adopted under the Clinton administration and finally carried out. In the defense of this action, the Iraqi government had repeatedly been in flagrant violation of UN resolutions, all of which stated (if memory serves) that failure of compliance could lead to military conflict. The Desired Result: A free, democratic country in the heart of the Middle East. This is not, however, a six- nine- or possibly even a hundred-month solution. I would not be surprised in the least that, if this does fall the way the US gov't is hoping, it is not on a timeline more along the lines of seven to ten *years*, rather than months. How: The tough part. Islam, when interpreted in a strict manner, doesn't gel with democracy or any form of equal rights whatsoever. The best scenario would be one where a secular leader similar to Hussein would be elected into power. Similar to Hussein in regards to religion, not when it comes to the state-sponsored terrorism or the gassing of his own people. > And you all read where Tom DeLay claimed not only that people > were "overreacting" to the news of torture in Abu Ghraib > (what is an appropriately scaled reaction to atrocity, Tom?) > but that (in an apparent effort to dismiss those > overreactors) such people were only doing so to further the > antiwar effort. I think that there is a level of over-reaction in regards to Au Ghraib, but at the same time a severe, SEVERE under-reaction to the Berg assassination. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:18:34 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground > cmb adams: > > that wasn't much of an answer. > > what, in your opinion, should the response have been? I think that the response in Afghanistan was appropriate. Also, I do not doubt for a minute that Iraq will be better off without the Baathist regime that had been in control. A much more marked improvement (and an overall shift away from fundamentalism in the Middle East) may be a up to a decade away, however. The timing and justification for Iraq is what I have issues with. Had it merely been on the tenants of UN resolution violations, I would have accepted it. As-yet unsubstantiated claims of weapons of mass destruction weren't necessary, and further more dumbed-down the entire situation. I don't doubt, too, that such weapons programs existed. I find it hard to believe that Hussein would switch gears so readily and abandon those pursuits. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:55:44 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: you know what On May 15, 2004, at 4:06 AM, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > and similarly, the Spanish were already well on the way to kicking out > a government that got them involved in the Iraq mess. The train > terrorism didn't change their minds one bit (if it had, they'd have > gone charging back into Iraq looking for revenge). Speaking of the Spanish, here's an interesting tidbit - - - Steve __________ A coward, a bully, a bigmouth, and a queer-basher. Yes, we have been here before. The word is fascism, in case you are wondering, and we don't have to sit through that movie again. - Christopher Hitchens, on Mel Gibson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:05:09 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Tinfoil Hats On Saturday, May 15, 2004, at 01:42 AM, Eb wrote: >> that's aluminum-foil-hat protecting-from-alien-thought-rays >> territory > > Seems like I'm seeing this "tinfoil hat" image *everywhere*, lately. > How did this nonsense start? > > Eb > My ex-girlfriend's a career psychiatric stabilizition-ward nurse, and the tinfoil hat is a real-life, widely shared crazy-person manifestation. She's not quite sure why, but once you've had a schizophrenic/psychotic break, it just seems to follow logically to start wearing aluminum foil on your head to keep foreign broadcasts/rays out and your own psychic whatever in. The behavior's too widely observed for me to think that every one of these folks has HEARD ABOUT someone else doing it... it just must be the natural thing to do when you're in that psychic territory, like fashioning a lean-to in the rainy season. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:20:03 +0100 From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #138 Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:35:37 -0500 > From: "Michael Wells" > Subject: Re: Rush News (NR) > > Eb, the eternal positivist, writes: > > God...what boring, obvious choices in material. What, couldn't they get > > the rights to "Twist and Shout"? > > For once, I agree with you. I was hoping for something a bit more Petula > Clark-ish. Right on, Michael! I just downloaded "Colour my world" and it's really groovy! Well, actually what I mean is that it has a wacky sitar riff, a bit like "Cry like a baby": the rest of it is standard Tony Hatch & Jackie Trent. > Michael "I went down to the Crossroads / tried to beg a ride, ya hey der" > Wells But will Rush copy Clapton's inexplicable decision to include a verse from "Travelling Riverside Blues"? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Byrds "I know my rider" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:45:27 -0700 From: Barbara E Soutar Subject: Re: the moral high ground Capuchin wrote: "Well, you got a taste of it earlier today when I explained what I think would be a solid anti-terrorism policy: Make people so freakin' happy that they wouldn't even consider bombing you" This policy works for Canada. Query for FS Thomas: What does Rush Limbaugh say about the song stylings of Robyn Hitchcock? Now that we've heard everything else he says... Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:41:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the moral high ground > Query for FS Thomas: What does Rush Limbaugh say about the song > stylings of Robyn Hitchcock? More importantly, if Rush *Limbaugh* recorded a covers album, what songs would he pick? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:49:51 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: the moral high ground >From: Eb >Subject: Re: the moral high ground >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:41:33 -0700 >>Query for FS Thomas: What does Rush Limbaugh say about the song stylings >>of Robyn Hitchcock? >More importantly, if Rush *Limbaugh* recorded a covers album, what songs >would he pick? Tell Me About Your Drugs Max _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:08:42 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground > On Behalf Of Barbara E Soutar > > Query for FS Thomas: What does Rush Limbaugh say about the > song stylings of Robyn Hitchcock? Now that we've heard > everything else he says... I don't listen to the man's show, nor do I read what he writes. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:09:37 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground > Sprachen mein Maximilian Lang > > >More importantly, if Rush *Limbaugh* recorded a covers album, what > >songs > >would he pick? > > > Tell Me About Your Drugs Zing! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:12:11 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: Re: the moral high ground On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:41:33 -0700, Eb wrote > > Query for FS Thomas: What does Rush Limbaugh say about the song > > stylings of Robyn Hitchcock? > > More importantly, if Rush *Limbaugh* recorded a covers album, what > songs would he pick? Rush Sings Rush... I see a great need. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:21:13 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: RE: the moral high ground On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:18:34 -0400, FS Thomas wrote > > cmb adams: > > that wasn't much of an answer. > > what, in your opinion, should the response have been? > I think that the response in Afghanistan was appropriate. > > Also, I do not doubt for a minute that Iraq will be better off > without the Baathist regime that had been in control. A much more marked > improvement (and an overall shift away from fundamentalism in the Middle > East) may be a up to a decade away, however. wait a second here... you said, regarding 9/11 bombings: > > > Quite honestly what reactions it *has* elicited are far, far less > > > grave than they could have (or, in many ways, should have) been. now you're saying that the response *was* appropriate? but earlier you thought that "in many ways" they should have been more...um...grave. could it be that you're...waffling? (love on ya baby! she's a wafflehead!) if not, let's try again: what do you feel the response should have been? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:39 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: the moral high ground The original line was: "Quite honestly what reactions it *has* elicited are far, far less grave than they could have (or, in many ways, should have) been." Read up on Black Jack Pershing. I would wholly endorse a few rounds of his Philippines tactics. Is it cold? Is it insensitive? Sure as Hell. Is it effective? Sure as Hell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:10:45 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #133 Mr. Godwin poses the question: > Did I just miss it, or has no-one reported the death of Barney Kessel? > Apparently John and George cited him as their favourite guitarist. > > > I only ever saw him once, in a trio with a British drummer and stand-up bassist. > He introduced them by saying "I worked with these guys on my last UK tour and > the one before that. And I'm going to go on working with them until they learn > the numbers". He could get away with saying it, too. "Let's Cook" was long listed as mandatory study material for up-and-coming jazz players, and he was always in demand for session work. I think he was the recording guitarist on the "Some Like it Hot" soundtrack, and IIRC he played (and recorded?) with Charlie Parker. In the 80's he wrote a column in Guitar Player magazine that was rather above my head at the time. I missed his passing as well. For airport reading a couple of weeks ago I picked up the April issue of "Mojo," only to see that Greg Ridley (Humble Pie) and session drummer John Guerin (played on FZ/Hot Rats and GP/Grievous Angel among others) had also gone by the boards. Michael "as I get older, this seems to keep happening" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #139 ********************************