From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #121 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Guided By Press Releases ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: aaargh! [Tom Clark ] Re: Did anyone happen to catch... [Capuchin ] Re: Did anyone happen to catch... [Steve Talkowski ] Southern accents [grutness@surf4nix.com] OT Again (NR) [steve ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #120 [Michael R Godwin ] hippo bidet, Bayoman ["Mark Gloster" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:03:00 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Guided By Press Releases REAPS: >>GBV >>Orbital >>Wu-Tang That's a weird handful of "band breakups"... all three are, for one reason or another, more like band-name retirements, as I read it. Look for the guy from Badly Drawn Boy to go solo next... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:06:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: aaargh! on 4/23/04 7:06 PM, grutness@surf4nix.com at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > [1] erm, that's "2 * 37 shock horror", not "2 * factorial 37", which > is approximately bulk untold multiple truckloads of huge. Is that anywhere near a metric shitload? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Did anyone happen to catch... On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Steve Talkowski wrote: > Though these days, the extent of computer involvement with 2d hand drawn > or "cel" animation (with the exception of South Park which, originally, > was created in a 3d program and rendered to look like 2d paper cutouts) > is typically color automation with digital ink & paint, and the final > composite, where the digital "cels" can then be layered and animated > independently. So how was Futurama done? Some of the shots on that show are VERY clearly computer-assisted. I'm not talking about the items that "look computer generated" in the sense that they are obviously built of composite primitives or something (hell, remember Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy did all of its "computer graphics" by hand). I mean the way the surface of the water looks in the episode where they discover the lost city of Atlanta or the way the backgrounds move when the ship rotates. There's definitely something going on there that isn't just guys drawing pictures by hand. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:40:03 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Did anyone happen to catch... On Apr 26, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Steve Talkowski wrote: >> Though these days, the extent of computer involvement with 2d hand >> drawn >> or "cel" animation (with the exception of South Park which, >> originally, >> was created in a 3d program and rendered to look like 2d paper >> cutouts) >> is typically color automation with digital ink & paint, and the final >> composite, where the digital "cels" can then be layered and animated >> independently. > > So how was Futurama done? Some of the shots on that show are VERY > clearly > computer-assisted. I'm not talking about the items that "look computer > generated" in the sense that they are obviously built of composite > primitives or something (hell, remember Hitchhiker's Guide To The > Galaxy > did all of its "computer graphics" by hand). I mean the way the > surface > of the water looks in the episode where they discover the lost city of > Atlanta or the way the backgrounds move when the ship rotates. There's > definitely something going on there that isn't just guys drawing > pictures > by hand. Definitely. Futurama is a great example of combining 2d and 3d animation. In the beginning of the series I felt the 3d objects stuck out too much from the 2d backgrounds, but they refined the cel-shaders (basically, you render out a 3d object with edge detection algorithms to create outlines, even when an object is in front of another) and the integration became more pleasing to the eye, matching the "style" of the 2d images. Nickleodeon's excellent, though cancelled, Invader Zim (out on DVD May 11th btw!) used this to great effect as well. The technique applies both to the water effects (running non linear deformations such as sine waves through subdivided geometry) and moving backgrounds, in addition to utilizing any filters and effects in their compositing packages. - -Steve - -- Steve Talkowski Animation Director / Hornet Inc. 213 West 35th St. Suite 605 New York, NY 10001 http://www.hornetinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:26:58 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Feels Like 111 = 3 * 37 On Monday, April 26, 2004, at 01:50 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > And bad '60's exploitation films. Also of interest in this category > is "cartoon guitars" which often as not would be identified as, say, > bass balalaikas from the number of tuning pegs. The recent > convention... and yeah, I see too many cartoons these days... is that > there usually will be a "bass" and a "guitar", the bass being > indicated by (A) fewer, but still a basically nonsensical number of, > tuning pegs, and (B) being played by the "less senior" character. At > least that how both the Powerpuff Girls and Totally Spies handled it. > > You can always tell whether a cartoonist/animator has ever played an actual guitar by the way they draw the spacing of the frets on the neck. You'd be surprised how many render them evenly spaced all the way up the fretboard. Actually, I'd like to play a guitar sometime with the frets spaced that way... that'd be quite a tempering system. Jon L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:02:36 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Southern accents > >>I'm trying to sound more > >Australian these days, though... > > >>eww - why??? One of the worlds ugliest groups of accents. > >That was sarcasm... it just seems like every vocal I've recorded >recently sounds like either Steve Kilbey or Grant MacLennan, and >people have been calling me on it. Yes, I am inadvertantly the >third member of Jack Frost... well, Kilbey sounds about as Aussie as I do Kiwi - i.e., home counties English with a very slight antipodean overlay. Good reason, too. he was born in St. Albans, Hertfordhire, only ten miles north of where I was born. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:52:25 -0500 From: steve Subject: OT Again (NR) In my ongoing quest for irrelevance. I've found BitTorrent files of a couple of the Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou OAVs. They're at the bottom of this page. Scarywater is a clearinghouse site for anime fansubs. These take place a few volumes into the manga, and maybe 6 or 7 years into the story, but can serve as an introduction. Here's some information on the anime, only 4 episodes. 1&2 3&4 And, as always, the manga itself. The/A Misago is a character in the manga. - - Steve __________ "We're not attacking Islam, but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:12:46 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #120 On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:42:08 -0400 > From: rosso@videotron.ca > Subject: Re: Ghastly Mellow Starship Tunes All Over the Floor > > > Any 1970's bands with no bass before the Cramps came along? > > Thunderclap Newman, at least in the same way the Doors were a band > with no bassist. Pete Townshend played bass on the album, but there > was no official acknowledgement of his contribution. > > Did they ever play live? I doubt it. Thunderclap Newman definitely did a UK tour. I've got an old flyer for Bath Pavilion which includes them as a forthcoming act. Admittedly I didn't actually go to see the show myself, but AFAIK they turned up and played. - - Mike Godwin PS Acts which I _have_ seen at the Pav include: John Fred & the Playboy Band (played 'Judy in Disguise' 3 times IIRC) The Electric Prunes Moby Grape (v disappointing, they'd gone country) The Kinks Traffic (3-piece version, 'Feelin' Good' period) The Who (twice) The Move (4-piece version after Carl Wayne left, about the time of that 'Something Else' EP) Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac Tyrannosaurus Rex (just pre-T Rex, playing lots of toyshop instruments) Edgar Broughton Band (I was in a blues band who played support) A later edition of Fleetwood Mac featuring Bob Welch Led Zeppelin (don't like them, but they did a corking version of that one that sounds like 'Bali Hai') Fairport Convention (largely instrumental 'Liege & Leif' band) Gong (excellent) John Mayall (with a really ropey American country band) Jake Thackrey The Stranglers Those people from the London College of Printing(?) who play hurdy gurdys and make all their own instruments (Blowzabella, just looked it up on the web) Ivan Papasov's Bulgarian Wedding Band Hank Wangford Band including Bobby Valentino Martin Taylor's Spirit of Django Peter Green Splinter Group Bireli Lagrene supported by Martin Taylor There must be some more, but my memory is on strike... n.p. Edgar Broughton 'Apache Dropout'... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:07:43 -0700 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: hippo bidet, Bayoman Don't forget to wish our beloved Bayard a happy birthday. I think he's old enough to go to r-rated movies now. Happies, y'all. - -Markg ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #121 ********************************