From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #115 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 21 2004 Volume 13 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Oh, that OTHER Mike Godwin [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Tom Clark: true Apple insider ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Tom Clark: true Apple insider [Tom Clark ] Re: reap [Tom Clark ] brad sucks [Aaron Mandel ] RE: Sweet music flag deal ["Bachman, Michael" ] Newsworthy? ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: Tom Clark: true Apple insider [Eb ] Re: reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] responding to Rex yet again ["Natalie Jane" ] Pixar guy visits Ghibli (NR) [steve ] Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] [Capuchin ] Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] [Aaron Man] Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] [Miles Goo] d'oh [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Comfortably Nuts ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] ["Fortissi] Re: Newsworthy? ["Fortissimo" ] Jeff posting yet again ["Fortissimo" ] Donnie Darko to be re-released theatrically [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:04:28 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Oh, that OTHER Mike Godwin Sorry -- I knew we had one... and I know what the law is -- it's been invoked many times here in the past. I had always assumed it was OUR Godwin. Thanks to Jeff for nicely putting it in perspective. And am still interested in hearing from Tinfoil participants with URLs for their web-dwelling music for the http://www.webjay.org/ listings. Just let me know the URL of any original music/sites you want listed. I've heard from Rex so far. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:10:24 -0500 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Tom Clark: true Apple insider On page 13 of the "Welcome to Panther" book I received with my new dual 1.8Ghz G5 at work is some information about protecting files with FileVault. One of the screenshots of the Users directory indicates the icon of a folder protected by FileVault. The user's name? tomclark. Also, this Tom Clark appears in the Address Book screenshot and other places, too. Way to go, Tom! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:33:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... At 06:55 PM 4/20/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >> Alas, it's a different Mike Godwin. > >Plus, it's a different Hitler. > >Oops. > >(Bob Hitler, who sold Chevrolets in Ottumwa, Iowa, I think.) No, it's the comic Vic Hitler, from one of LaRue's failed schemes on HILL STREET BLUES. I'm now waiting for a Brit to suggest Eddie Hitler. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:39:10 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Sweet music flag deal At 11:38 AM 4/21/2004 +1200, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >A music question (I have obviously been living under a rock for years >as far as this one is concerned). A friend recently played me a >couple of tracks by Matthew Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken >with them. Where would be a good place to start on his extensive back >catalogue? Can't argue with the other suggestions. Heretically, I think GIRLFRIEND is about 20 minutes too long, which is something I think about a lot of other c. 1990 albums, but the other 2/3 of the album is killer stuff. My favorite is actually ALTERED BEAST which I own in its preferred-by-me dinosaur green cover. All the other albums are well worth owning, but you should probably save his pre-GIRLFRIEND stuff for last. superdeformed, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:03:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Tom Clark: true Apple insider on 4/21/04 8:10 AM, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. at gene@hopstetter.com wrote: > On page 13 of the "Welcome to Panther" book I received with my new dual > 1.8Ghz G5 at work is some information about protecting files with > FileVault. One of the screenshots of the Users directory indicates the > icon of a folder protected by FileVault. > > The user's name? tomclark. > > Also, this Tom Clark appears in the Address Book screenshot and other > places, too. > > Way to go, Tom! Apparently I'm in some iPod docs as well. What can I say? I'm loved. Funny story about my return to Apple. I requested my old email address 'tclark@apple.com' and after a week of unusual runaround from the IS&T folks, I finally got someone on the phone. When I told him the address I wanted, he said "Oh, that address has been turned into a honeypot account". Of course I had to find out what the hell he was talking about. He said they use random inactive accounts to solicit spam so they can fine tune their spam filters. He said I could have it back if I wanted, but I declined of course. So if you're interested, it's 'tc' now. Congrats on the new toy, Gene! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:05:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: reap on 4/20/04 5:02 PM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > Norris McWhirter > > .html> He now holds the record for "Most Dead World's Record Book Publisher" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: brad sucks Been enjoying all-free web-band Brad Sucks (bradsucks.net) lately, and just today, before I saw the relevant thread, I was thinking that he reminded me of Matthew Sweet a little. And heck, it won't cost anything to check him out. Try "Look And Feel Years Younger", "We're Not Friends" and "Difficult Situation". a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:20:01 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Sweet music flag deal At 11:38 AM 4/21/2004 +1200, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >A music question (I have obviously been living under a rock for years >as far as this one is concerned). A friend recently played me a >couple of tracks by Matthew Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken >with them. Where would be a good place to start on his extensive back >catalogue? Miles retort: >Can't argue with the other suggestions. Heretically, I think GIRLFRIEND is about 20 minutes too long, which is something I think about a lot of other c. 1990 albums, but the other 2/3 of the >>album is killer stuff. My favorite is actually ALTERED BEAST which I own in its preferred-by-me dinosaur green cover. All the other albums are well worth owning, but you should probably save his pre-GIRLFRIEND stuff for last. Good reply Miles. I like GIRLFRIEND a tick more than ALTERED BEAST, because I think it has more great songs. GIRLFRIEND is probably my favorite 1991 CD, I got it right around Christmas time and listened to it continually for a number of days. I saw Matthew Sweet a couple of months later when he opened up for some band that looked like the Can of Bees era Soft Boys, except they didn't have the short guy with the Muppet haircut. Michael B. NP Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers - MOANIN' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:31:32 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Comfortably Nuts Brian Huddell: >>Well, "home-recordings" doesn't work either. Mine are home recordings, >>same computer I'm typing at now. Where was the Rainland track recorded? Ummm... in someone's basement. You're right... these lines are just about impossible to draw just by listening to recordings these days. Dolph: >>[Dave -- I am astounded and humbled that *I* managed to >>earworm you; consider it a return of the favor for "Lonely Like I" and >>"Ergie Bergie."] Hey! That'd be "Just Like I", featuring the mightiest backwards-guitar-solo-that-everyone-thought-was-an-orchestral-sample that I ever committed to 2-inch tape (which is to say, the only one). Cappy: >>Did I miss Rex's original post on this somehow? You probably did, unless you lurk on loud-fans! >>She tried to play a cover song a few weeks ago and challenged me to >>guess the original. It was apparently a song called "Comfortably Numb" by >>Pink Floyd. I don't remember ever hearing it before and (possibly because?) >>it was pretty bad Or presumably you haven't been to a lot of stoner-campfire-guitar-get-togethers (which is not a bad thing, really). While I would recognize this song, I frequently piss people off when there's an acoustic guitar handy by being the default "best" player in the room and not knowing this song. Apparently "everybody" knows it by heart... at a certain point I started to make it a point to never learn it. It's prolly third in line between Stairway to Heaven and Hotel California in the hierarchy of shit you're supposed to know on acoustic guitar. I don't make it a point to attend such gatherings but they sometimes coalesce around me... yawn indeed... but, you know, every once in a while someone takes a solo turn and you get something surprising like "She Doesnn't Exist" outta nowhere. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Newsworthy? I would think this happens all the time. "Ex-Pogues Singer MacGowan Assaulted in London Pub" http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=765&e=19&u=/nm/people_macgowan_dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:40:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Tom Clark: true Apple insider > When I told him the address I > wanted, he said "Oh, that address has been turned into a honeypot > account". > Of course I had to find out what the hell he was talking about. At Disneyland, "honeypot" used to be the droll code word for the lined trash can on Main Street where all the collected horse crap was dumped. :) Eb, former true Disneyland insider ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:43:42 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: reap Tom Clark wrote: > > He now holds the record for "Most Dead World's Record Book Publisher" Actually, his brother beat him to it by 29 years. I remember the McWhirter Brothers on the first series of Record Breakers. Now all of them are dead -- Ross, Norris, and the fabulous Roy Castle. I'm old. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:45:34 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: responding to Rex yet again >It makes me happy to hear the Postal Service on the radio, but I haven't >bought the record. Death >Cab sounds good when I hear them but they kind >of fade into that category of another 90's/00' indie band for me at times. For that very reason, I disliked Death Cab quite strongly until last year, when a friend was so eager for me to see them live that he actually paid my way to a show... (he's English, so maybe he didn't realize how much $15 actually was...) I thought they put on a great show, Ben Gibbard has a wonderful voice (and is awfully cute), and I like Transatlanticism (their latest) a lot, but I haven't felt compelled to seek out any more of their stuff. I'm not really sure why. >Beyond that, and not to piss Eb off totally... this stuff is a bit... er... >histrionic on every level for my tastes. I was at the hair salon a couple of months ago in a futile attempt to get the black dye out of my hair, and as I was marooned in the stylist's chair with caustic chemicals all over my head, an entire Rufus Wainwright album (the latest, I think) played on the stereo... at first I thought, "Hey, this is actually pretty good, maybe I shouldn't have dismissed him so hastily"... but the histrionics did kinda wear on me after a while, I'm afraid. (re. Stereolab) >They've made the same pretty great record too many times for it to be as >good as it was the first twenty times... Yeah, I agree... I have a couple of their records (Sound-Dust and Emperor Tomato Ketchup) that I love and listen to regularly, and I don't feel like I need to hear any more than that... except that I do want to pick up the BBC Sessions double CD at some point. I heard some of it a while ago and it's pretty rockin'. Sound-Dust was a recent acquisition, and I can't rave enough about the single off that album, "Captain Easychord." Jim O'Rourke's production increases my admiration for him to the point of abject worship. Who else would have thought of putting *pedal steel* on a Stereolab song?? Speaking of pedal steel... >PS to Nat... do you go in for Califone? I'd recommend them to you based on >your Iron & Wine infatuation... I listened to a bit of their latest at a record store and have been meaning to pick up one of their records as soon as I can find one used. As my love of alt-country has faded, I'm starting to dig bands that put their own spin on the country/folk formula. With that in mind, I have been strenuously avoiding Drive-By Truckers, Slobberbone, Two Cow Garage, and whatever other No Depression darlings with horrible names that have been popping up lately, because I know that the whole reason the ND crowd probably loves these guys, is because they DON'T put their own spin on the formula. I've been picking up some interesting records lately... I mentioned that I got Tony Conrad & Faust's "Outside the Dream Syndicate" as well as volume 4 of Conrad's "Early Minimalism" (a local record store is selling the volumes individually). Very intense long drones, hard to listen to but oddly satisfying... there's more going on than you think, but you have to listen closely. Inspired by his recent drafting into Wilco, I also got Nels Cline's "Destroy All Nels Cline," which is totally over-the-top skronky avant-jazz... a bit wearing at 75 minutes, but worth the dough... In a similar whacked-out improv/noise vein, a friend sent me a live set by the Dream Aktion Unit, which consists of Thurston Moore, Jim O'Rourke, and a couple of other guys, and a similar though more structured set from the same show by Alan Licht. It all starts to sound the same after a while, but it's very cathartic, and very, very useful for annoying my asshole housemate. n. p.s. In response to the person who suggested I burn my CD's before selling them... I'm a moron. I never even thought of it. p.p.s. Rex, your tinfoil Thoth will go out soon. I promise. _________________________________________________________________ Lose those love handles! MSN Fitness shows you two moves to slim your waist. http://fitness.msn.com/articles/feeds/article.aspx?dept=exercise&article=et_pv_030104_lovehandles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:21:21 -0500 From: steve Subject: Pixar guy visits Ghibli (NR) For some people, meeting Miyazaki is just like meeting a rock star. - - Steve __________ Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Natalie Jane wrote: > Inspired by his recent drafting into Wilco, I also got Nels Cline's > "Destroy All Nels Cline," which is totally over-the-top skronky > avant-jazz... OK, so I'm familiar with Man Or Astroman's "Destroy All Astromen". Is this a reference to some third thing of which I'm not familiar? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:57:41 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Pixar guy visits Ghibli (NR) On Apr 21, 2004, at 3:21 PM, steve wrote: > > > For some people, meeting Miyazaki is just like meeting a rock star. Hey, he's the Disney of Japan, only better. It was an honor getting to spend 2 hours with him at his private studio a few years ago. Btw, I used to work with Enrico while at Blue Sky. He's a great storyboard and comic book artist! - -Steve "I'm going two need to lives to follow the paths I've been taking" - -- Steve Talkowski Animation Director / Hornet Inc. 213 West 35th St. Suite 605 New York, NY 10001 http://www.hornetinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Comfortably Nuts On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Rex.Broome wrote: > I don't make it a point to attend such gatherings but they sometimes > coalesce around me... yawn indeed... but, you know, every once in a > while someone takes a solo turn and you get something surprising like > "She Doesnn't Exist" outta nowhere. Many, many years ago, I attended Mark Gloster's 204th Birthday Party. There were other fegs there (Tom and Chris Franz, at least... Bayard?). It was a really good time. Anyway, being Mark's house, there were guitars kind of lying all around and people brought more. Sometime in the late afternoon (before the party could settle into being "a bunch of folks listening to each other play songs", we were sort of broken into little clusters chatting here or there. Some people were picking out melodies while talking or whatever and then Mark's friend Dave started playing softly to himself and singing. We all kind of slowly shut up and turned to watch and listen. He got louder and more intense until he finished the most incredible version of "Birdshead" ever played. I'm pretty sure that's him on GFII, but the production doesn't do it justice at all (sorry Mark). Anyway, it was strange and unexpected because it wasn't strictly a feg gathering and I'd never met the guy. It's a favorite memory of mine. Just sharing. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Capuchin wrote: > OK, so I'm familiar with Man Or Astroman's "Destroy All Astromen". Is > this a reference to some third thing of which I'm not familiar? Probably the movie "Destroy All Monsters". (I don't know much about it; ask IMDB.) I had a similar curiousity about The Cure's "Mint Car" and TMBG's "Mink Car", which I have not yet found an answer to. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:05:53 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] At 12:50 PM 4/21/2004 -0700, Capuchin wrote: >OK, so I'm familiar with Man Or Astroman's "Destroy All Astromen". Is >this a reference to some third thing of which I'm not familiar? Yes, to "Comfortably Numb." kaiju soshingeki, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:07:23 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: d'oh On Apr 21, 2004, at 3:57 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > "I'm going two need to lives to follow the paths I've been taking" LOL - just caught my dyslexic mix up with two and to - so much for firing off a quick eMail whilst moving pixels around. My apologies to B&S ;) - -- Steve Talkowski Animation Director / Hornet Inc. 213 West 35th St. Suite 605 New York, NY 10001 http://www.hornetinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:34:38 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Comfortably Nuts On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:31:32 -0700, "Rex.Broome" said: > >>She tried to play a cover song a few weeks ago and challenged me to > >>guess the original. It was apparently a song called "Comfortably Numb" by > >>Pink Floyd. I don't remember ever hearing it before and (possibly because?) > >>it was pretty bad > > Or presumably you haven't been to a lot of > stoner-campfire-guitar-get-togethers (which is not a bad thing, really). > While I would recognize this song, I frequently piss people off when > there's an acoustic guitar handy by being the default "best" player in > the room and not knowing this song. Apparently "everybody" knows it by > heart... at a certain point I started to make it a point to never learn > it. It's prolly third in line between Stairway to Heaven and Hotel > California in the hierarchy of shit you're supposed to know on acoustic > guitar. Ha - I made a similar vow (never to learn to play "Stairway to Heaven") although I confess once or twice my fingers found themselves forming the damned opening bit anyway. I think the stories about Jimmy Page selling his soul to the devil have some truth to them... Problem is, I've got pretty good ears - so with a song like "Hotel California" that I know through osmosis, I could figure it out by ear if need be. It's the same seven or eight chords over and over again anyway. Fortunately, I never bring a guitar to social gatherings (in fact, my real-world friends aren't musicians, oddly), and I can't sing and play simultaneously. Insofar as I can sing, or play, at all. This is strange, since I learned to play guitar in part To Attract Girls. (Who here - except some of our female musicians - can say otherwise?) Anyway, "Comfortably Numb," like most Pink Floyd songs, isn't well-suited to solo acoustic performance: for me at least, the song is entirely about the resigned, weary vocals and the very sympathetic arrangement that supports it (Bob Ezrin's, mostly). Speaking of pretentious and overblown, there's _The Wall_ for ya - it gets a pass for me in some ways because it seems very strongly felt by Roger Waters (apparently a lot of the odder images in the lyrics are autobiographically-based), plus it allows him to admit (in slightly coded form) to being an asshole - something that, if he'd've done it more often, might have helped. Plus, really, there's some good music on there. Christ, next thing you know I'm going to be growing a mullet, a Camaro-'stache, and wearing faded black Judas Priest concert t-shirts... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:39:51 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT), "Aaron Mandel" said: > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > > OK, so I'm familiar with Man Or Astroman's "Destroy All Astromen". Is > > this a reference to some third thing of which I'm not familiar? > > Probably the movie "Destroy All Monsters". (I don't know much about it; > ask IMDB.) I'd agree - there was also ex-Stooge (Iggy, not Three) Ron Asheton's post-Stooges band Destroy All Monsters (doubtless named after the movie). They were still around when I was an undergrad at Ann Arbor in the early '80s - at one point they hired a proto-goth female singer who called herself Niagara or something like that. At one gig we christened them Destroy All Eardrums, because of Niagara's habit of making vocal-mic feedback. I blame those shows for whatever high-end hearing loss I might have. > I had a similar curiousity about The Cure's "Mint Car" and TMBG's "Mink > Car", which I have not yet found an answer to. No clue there - I suppose TMBG might be referencing the Cure, but what's going on in Robert Smith's head, who knows. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:42:08 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Newsworthy? On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:39:56 -0400 (EDT), "Jonathan Fetter" said: > I would think this happens all the time. > > "Ex-Pogues Singer MacGowan Assaulted in London Pub" So these folks never heard that "Dog Bites Man" isn't actually news? > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? > tmpl=story&cid=765&e=19&u=/nm/people_macgowan_dc Has anyone ever witnessed MacGowan and Mark E. Smith drunk in the same pub? Now that would be scary. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:51:48 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Jeff posting yet again On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:45:34 -0700, "Natalie Jane" said: [this is Rex] > (re. Stereolab) > >They've made the same pretty great record too many times for it to be as > >good as it was the first twenty times... > > Yeah, I agree... I have a couple of their records (Sound-Dust and Emperor > Tomato Ketchup) that I love and listen to regularly, and I don't feel > like I > need to hear any more than that... except that I do want to pick up the > BBC > Sessions double CD at some point. I heard some of it a while ago and > it's > pretty rockin'. 'Tis. > Sound-Dust was a recent acquisition, and I can't rave enough about the > single off that album, "Captain Easychord." Jim O'Rourke's production > increases my admiration for him to the point of abject worship. Who else > would have thought of putting *pedal steel* on a Stereolab song?? But hadn't they done that on that country version of...(as if I can remember Stereolab titles away from the CD: we'll just call it "Polychrome Geo L'Amour"). At least I thought it had steel - mebbe it's just fake volume-knob and lipstick-tube steel. The funny thing about Stereolab is that it seems like everything sounds the same - but then you go and compare a track from _Peng!_ and a track from _Imperial Butter Entourage_ - I mean that one with the superlong title Cobra Yada-yada - and it's like, this is the same band? They're the best example of slow but steady musical evolution I can think of. In some ways they'd be better served if they put out half as many albums, with the handful of tracks from each record that most closely resemble those of the previous record omitted & relegated to b-sides and EPs (of course, they have a raft of those anyway), so that the changes would be more legible. _Margerine [sic] Eclipse_ is pretty good also. Enter a bit of glitchy electronics, for those keeping score. > avoiding Drive-By Truckers, Slobberbone, Two Cow Garage, "Two Cow Garage"?! Christ, how drunk *were* they? Anyone else competing in the Worst Band Name Ever stakes can hang their heads in shame (or rather, proudly, for not winning) right about now. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:59:55 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Donnie Darko to be re-released theatrically http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/21/film.darko.reut/index.html It's gaining 20 minutes of "never seen before" footage. From the article: >"Even though I am proud of the theatrical version of the film, I've always >felt that the story was somewhat compromised in order to come in under two >hours," said "Darko" writer-director Richard Kelly. "With this version I >feel like I've finally been able to complete the film." If that extra footage isn't truly "never seen before" but is the same as what's in the deleted scenes on the current DVD, I strongly feel that the film is better off without it. A large part of DONNIE DARKO's appeal, to me at least, was that it admitted multiple interpretations and forced the viewer to do some of the heavy lifting; putting those scenes back in would create a more constricted, even didactic, experience. I remember listening to Kelly's commentary (for the finished film as well as on the deleted scenes) and thinking, "you didn't end up making the movie you thought you did -- and it's a good thing that you didn't." So I'm feeling like the revised version will be *less* satisfying to me. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:07:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Destroy All Capuchin [was Re: responding to Rex yet again] At 03:39 PM 4/21/2004 -0500, Fortissimo wrote: >> I had a similar curiousity about The Cure's "Mint Car" and TMBG's "Mink >> Car", which I have not yet found an answer to. > >No clue there - I suppose TMBG might be referencing the Cure, but what's >going on in Robert Smith's head, who knows. Wouldn't a "Mint Car" just be a vintage, presumably sporty car in mint condition (albeit in parlance more common in the UK & its more recent possessions)? That's what I always thought it was, and had it confirmed by the underrated Ammonia's MINT 400 album. Dunno if TMBG is punningly referencing the Cure or not. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:04:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Jeff posting yet again > The funny thing about Stereolab is that it seems like everything sounds > the same - but then you go and compare a track from _Peng!_ and a track > from _Imperial Butter Entourage_ - I mean that one with the superlong > title Cobra Yada-yada - and it's like, this is the same band? They're > the > best example of slow but steady musical evolution I can think of. I think their "soundalikeness" is overrated. When I discovered them (circa Transient Random-Noise Bursts), I perceived them as some monolithic, pounding post-Krautrock act. And a lot of their early stuff is in that two-chord Can-groove style. But then they turned into a graceful French-bubblegum group on me...with Cobra Phases, they were sounding more like icy 20th-century minimalists.... On a parallel note, I wish Sean O. and the High Llamas could have found a similar way to keep refreshing their sound. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #115 ********************************