From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #114 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 21 2004 Volume 13 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Further Thoths [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Bees in a Can UK [Capuchin ] (Sh) It Bands ["Rex.Broome" ] And another thing... [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Lo-Fi, Hi-Fi (Into the Black) ["Rex.Broome" ] Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Re: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Sweet music flag deal [Tom Clark ] Re: (Sh) It Bands ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Lo-Fi, Hi-Fi (Into the Black) ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Sweet music [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Musical pretention through the decades [Capuchin Subject: Re: Bees in a Can UK On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Brian wrote: > Both the Soft Boys and Squeeze had lyrics about sex and death. Squeeze > was certainly more macho and immature while Robyn's lyrics create more > of an image. I don't have a copy of UK Squeeze, but I'm having a really hard time imagining lyrics with a LESS mature attitude toward sex than A Can of Bees. OK, maybe South Park. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:22:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: (Sh) It Bands Eddie & Company:: >>there are two bands that just do nothing for me. other current "it" acts >>which i *really* expected to like, but, sadly, don't: Hey, cool fogeytopic. Let's go! I actually haven't heard the Fiery Furnaces... I enjoy the Shins and find that some of their songs stick with me, but they've never broken through to that "compulsive listening" level for me like they have for everyone else. Moving on: >>air, Loved the first album when it cam e out, but the novelty has worn off and I find myself totally disinterested in the new record. >>franz ferdinand, Barely heard 'em. >>the decemberists, Sorta like the Shins for me. I only have "Her Majesty", though, and I'm led to believe that the first LP may be more to my tastes (what I've heard from it sounds that way, too). >>the postal service & death cab for cutie (though i've >>seen death cab live twice, and they *rocked* both times), It makes me happy to hear the Postal Service on the radio, but I haven't bought the record. Death Cab sounds good when I hear them but they kind of fade into that category of "another 90's/00' indie band" for me at times. >>british sea power, I really like about half of this album but the extent to which I don't like the other half makes me think they may be too studied by half at genre appropriation. It's awfully "big" sounding for what it is, huh? >>belle & sebastian (actually do like them okay, but not nearly as >>much as everybody else does), Mehhhh. Okay in small doses but hardly the second coming many make them out to be. My favorite thing by far by them has been the "Legal Man" single, which has the kick, not to mention the Coral Sitars, that I find lacking in their albums. In some ways I think they exist to provide employment to graphic artists who have for some reason never seen any album covers not attached to a Smiths album. >>white stripes, Glad they're out there and glad they're popular, but overexposure made "Elephant" an unnecessary purchase for me. Not selling back their old records, though. I suspect I'll find my way back to this band when the buzz dies down. >>rufus (but he seems, in interviews, like the coolest persons), Wainwright, eh? Funny thing, and this is horrible to admit, but when I've heard interviews with him I've been unable to stop myself from thinking, this guy sounds like such the stereotype of a Hollywood queen that if this was a parody, I'd find it offensive and simplistic. Beyond that, and not to piss Eb off totally... this stuff is a bit... er... histrionic on every level for my tastes. >>on the other hand, i friggin' *love* the new pornographers, Word. >>the thrills, Worth the six bucks I paid for it, but... I kinda feel like, if Irish kids can get over on SoCal-themed and -style retro-pop songs, where are the props for, like, Beachwood Sparks and the Tyde etc. etc. etc. >>the dandy warhols, Guilty pleasure that just won't go away... >>imperial teen, Haven't kept up with them, but thumbs up for the early work >>drive-by truckers Dunno... >>black rebel motorcycle club. Nice sound, but not enough added to an old formula to keep my interest. >>stereolab, They've made the same pretty great record too many times for it to be as good as it was the first twenty times... >>super furry animals. That'd be just the tip of the iceberg of current fourth-wave (approx.) Britpop which doesn't do much for me. Miles: >>Ex-V-Roy Scott Miller is much more the kind of backwoods guy to whom I can relate. Now that's good stuff. Lest I uphold my reputation for negativity, I have grooved mightily on some recent stuff... Long Winters, Starlight Mints, Iron and Wine, TV on the Radio, Pernice Brothers, Ted Leo, Neko Case, Califone*, 50 Foot Wave, and yo, I did say some good things about some of the artists above. I even find stuff like Interpol/Longwave/Yeah Yeah Yeahs to be good listening if not wildly soul-sustaining. 'Course it's still previously undiscovered oldies that dominate my listening, but hey... it's me. A lot of trades I got for Thoths have been old-but-new-to-me records which are really damned good. - -Rex, now cruising at slightly above "fogey" altitude but well below "hip" PS to Nat... do you go in for Califone? I'd recommend them to you based on your Iron & Wine infatuation... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:47:14 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: And another thing... When will I stop? I forgot to mention how much I like the lyrics to Natalie Jane... The whole Face is like the ocean and the lost her feather stuff... really nice and poetic. OK. I will stop now. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:25:08 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Lo-Fi, Hi-Fi (Into the Black) >>- -Nuppy >>now enjoying: Rex Broome originals >>+brian in New Orleans >>np: Rainland / "Fort Ashby" over and over again Today is the day when all people named Brian listen to my music. Cool. Continuing on with Mr. Huddell's comments: >>One of the things I like about this comp is the juxtaposition >>between polished and not, earnest and not, etc..., and I don't think the >>"not" column suffers by comparison at all. [...] But I'm pretty sure everybody here >>knows that doesn't make the more polished stuff any better. That was my take on it as well. IODOT is generally better regarded than Groovy D, yeah? And as Jeffrey mentioned, these kinds of comps are often (by their nature) dominated by lo-fi selections, and we happened to wind up with a surprising amount of... I dunno if "polished" is the word, but, say "full-sounding" tunes. In some ways, those are the anomalies moreso than the home-recordings. My job was to sequence and pace them so they made sense together... YMMV. >>I can't speak for Rex but the impression I get is that he evaluated all the >>submissions on their own terms, and selected things that, for whatever reason, >>just *work*. I think that's certainly true of "Lawns and Industry" which to me just >>sounds right. Yup, that's kinda how it worked. Some folks only submitted one track, others almost literally their entire recorded output. So there were options. One case in point: Dolph's track might be regarded as relatively "lo-fi", but his back catalogue is filled with stuff that isn't. "Status Unknown" was unique to the project and sounded great in its sparse form (impending Ki Society remix notwithstanding), so on it went. If I'd had fewer contributors and more space left, I would've put as many contrasting tracks from the same artists on there as possible (see what I did with Nuppy, James, and myself). >>The songs I like the most tend to display some kind complimentary >>relationship between the setting (production, arrangement) and the >>content (composition, performance). Some things that sound great in a >>casual, lo-fi setting would sound stupid if you could hear a lot of effort being >>put in to the recording. You got it. And I think hearing these kinds of things side by side suggests different treatments, too. Good as they are as is, I could totally hear a sparse Nick Drake-y rendition of "Natalie Jane" and still dream of a big jangly treatment of "She Doesn't Need to Say What's on Her Mind". And on and on. - -Rex NP. The Shit Together Band, "Forty-Two Years of Puke: An Anthology: 1967-2009" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:36:41 -0400 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Better Thoth than Never On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:43:31 EDT, BLATZMAN@aol.com said: > 2)Well I'm glad there are 2 Nupp pieces on the CD cause I like >this one. Great writing, great structure, nice vocal. My only >negative comment is that I think the lyrics get a little >Robynesque. Tear at you like a piece of meat... > Hmmm....Or maybe they are just not my taste, after all, I >think Robyn gets too Robynesque at times, whatever that means. >Well done Hey, thanks! The lyrics were more inspired by the Monochrome Set's "Love Goes Down the Drain", but in a more frustrating obsessive, yes, Robynesque way. Haven't you ever wanted someone so much you could *almost* bite into them? I wrote that in 91 or 92 probably. > 15) Gliding. Yuck. I hate it. Me too. I can't sit through the entire thing either. I just figured if anyone liked it, they'd be here -or on a captain beefheart list. No, when the album that Jennifer's on comes out, there will be no songs like this... mostly shorter catchier tunes like Jennifer. Musically speaking I'm just preparing for Bid's arrival in early May. Lazerlove5, in the last 2 months, have learned about 18 Monochrome Set and Scarlet's Well songs. We're Bid's backing band for 2 shows in Ohio. The 1st show we play will be Bid's 1st US show in over 21 years! Rex, you should see him in June when he's in LA... And I highly recommend the new Scarlet's Well. Lyrically, it's the best thing I've heard all year. Musically it's fantastic, very sound with sparkles of sitar and a song in 5/4. Only about 35 minute in length for fans of short albums -quite some variety in that short length. - -Nuppy Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:45:10 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... From Laura Miller's piece on fascism yesterday: "Neither side sheds very much light on exactly what a fascist is and how such a person or regime might be identified; it's assumed everyone already knows. In truth, the introduction of Hitler into most conversations is a sign that passions have flared to a point that civility has become impossible. (Hence, Godwin's famous Law of Nazi Analogies, formulated by Internet free-speech advocate Mike Godwin to describe particularly heated exchanges: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one" -- that is, becomes inevitable.) "Hitler was a vegetarian!" is only the most gratuitous example of this sort of gambit." Surely we've come up with a more gratuitous example here. ;) Laura's not a Feg, is she? Quite liked the two of her books I've read. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:48:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... on 4/20/04 3:45 PM, Scott Hunter McCleary at shmac@ix.netcom.com wrote: > From Laura Miller's piece on fascism yesterday: > > "Neither side sheds very much light on exactly what a fascist is and how > such a person or regime might be identified; it's assumed everyone > already knows. In truth, the introduction of Hitler into most > conversations is a sign that passions have flared to a point that > civility has become impossible. (Hence, Godwin's famous Law of Nazi > Analogies, formulated by Internet free-speech advocate Mike Godwin to > describe particularly heated exchanges: "As an online discussion grows > longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler > approaches one" -- that is, becomes inevitable.) "Hitler was a > vegetarian!" is only the most gratuitous example of this sort of gambit." > > Surely we've come up with a more gratuitous example here. ;) > > Laura's not a Feg, is she? Quite liked the two of her books I've read. Alas, it's a different Mike Godwin. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:48:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... > "Neither side sheds very much light on exactly what a fascist is and > how such a person or regime might be identified; it's assumed everyone > already knows. In truth, the introduction of Hitler into most > conversations is a sign that passions have flared to a point that > civility has become impossible. (Hence, Godwin's famous Law of Nazi > Analogies, formulated by Internet free-speech advocate Mike Godwin to > describe particularly heated exchanges: "As an online discussion grows > longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler > approaches one" -- that is, becomes inevitable.) "Hitler was a > vegetarian!" is only the most gratuitous example of this sort of > gambit." > > Surely we've come up with a more gratuitous example here. ;) > > Laura's not a Feg, is she? Quite liked the two of her books I've read. > > You've never heard of Godwin's Law before? That's Internet 101, man. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:38:08 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Sweet music flag deal > "&clipData_35=lay egg,dump, poop ,defacate,defecate,deficate,squat, poo > ,doody,shit,egg,livonia&" > > "Livonia"? the flag is green over white over blue, with the white stripe being thinner than... oh, wrong list, sorry. Why is the name of the people who live in northern Latvia a synonym for poo? > >>As to the vocals on both this and the other track... that's >asthma for you, I'm afraid, >>>and it's why my second album has been so long coming. > >But... any recent progress? Having lived under a mountain of >fegmusic for so long, and knowing of so many "works in progress", I >keep meaning to ask everyone when I can expect full length efforts. >So my post-thoth question to all musicians hereabouts is: how about >updates on your musical efforts, live and studio? The exhibition's taken most of my time lately, and trying to make this house safe enough for kittens (soon, hopefully). Hardly touched a guitar in the last few months, but it's getting higher and higher up my "to do" list. >I'm not sure what the big deal is, it's not even the original line-up. >Weren't there 4 of them? Marc >Pixies Tour Dates The big Deal would be Kim, no? A music question (I have obviously been living under a rock for years as far as this one is concerned). A friend recently played me a couple of tracks by Matthew Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken with them. Where would be a good place to start on his extensive back catalogue? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:47:24 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Musical pretention through the decades On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:46:22 -0700, "Rex.Broome" said: > Another irritating thing about the bias against '60's pretention is how > the Beatles are routinely grandfather'ed out of the accusation because > they've remained in constant rotation in a way their contemporaries > haven't. There are people who have and worship every Beatles record > ever, but I can't get them to listen to even the strongest record from > the same period by, say, the Kinks, because it just doesn't sound modern > enough to them. And I strongly suspect that if "Village Green > Preservation Society" was a track on Revolver it would sound fine to > them, and if you erased their memories of "For No One" and plopped it > onto "Something Else by the Kinks", it wouldn't make them cotton to that > album any more. Just a theory of mine. It's not the Beatles' fault (and I love the Beatles - from hundreds of miles away, I can hear Stewart revving up his mehh-engines) but yeah - the exceptionalism with which their place in the sixties is treated really irritates. Yes, they were innovative; yes, they were great - but so were other bands, from some of which the Beatles rampantly stole. (That's fine, btw - if you don't *only* do it.) That old/modern sound distinction is interesting: I remember years ago thinking there were worlds of difference between the Jefferson Airplane of _Surrealistic Pillow_ and the same band on the following _After Bathing at Baxter's_. There is a lot of difference - but what I was actually hearing at the time was the sheets of reverb poured over "Pillow" that, to my mind, were very much a mid-sixties thing, whereas the dryer sound of "Baxter's" sounded more prime-American-psychedelia to me. Switch the production and sound, and I think at least several songs could switch places on those albums. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Sweet music flag deal grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > A friend recently played me a couple of tracks by Matthew > Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken > with them. Where would be a good place to start on his > extensive back catalogue? Girlfriend, then Altered Beast and 100% Fun. In Reverse and Kimi Ga Suki * Raifu are also both pretty good. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:55:03 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Well when they start quoting Fegs in Salon.... On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:48:05 -0700, "Tom Clark" said: > on 4/20/04 3:45 PM, Scott Hunter McCleary at shmac@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > From Laura Miller's piece on fascism yesterday: > > civility has become impossible. (Hence, Godwin's famous Law of Nazi > > Analogies, formulated by Internet free-speech advocate Mike Godwin to > > describe particularly heated exchanges: "As an online discussion grows > > longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler > > approaches one" -- that is, becomes inevitable.) > > Alas, it's a different Mike Godwin. Plus, it's a different Hitler. Oops. (Bob Hitler, who sold Chevrolets in Ottumwa, Iowa, I think.) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Norris McWhirter ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin "I'm going to keep playing music until somebody shoots me." -- Scott McCaughey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:04:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Sweet music flag deal on 4/20/04 4:38 PM, grutness@surf4nix.com at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > A music question (I have obviously been living under a rock for years > as far as this one is concerned). A friend recently played me a > couple of tracks by Matthew Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken > with them. Where would be a good place to start on his extensive back > catalogue? "Girlfriend". One of the best albums ever made. I'm not sure he ever topped it, actually. Contains some tasty guitar work by Richard Lloyd AND Robert Quine. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:55:33 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: (Sh) It Bands Rex.Broome wrote: > > and I find myself totally disinterested in the new record. I think that's an 'un', not a 'dis'. >>> super furry animals. > That'd be just the tip of the iceberg of current fourth-wave > (approx.) Britpop which doesn't do much for me. SFA have been around since totally ever. They were pretty much there when Bpop was at its most annoying. Stewart - -- now playing: music you'd hate. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:27:48 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Lo-Fi, Hi-Fi (Into the Black) Rex: > these kinds of comps are often (by their nature) dominated by > lo-fi selections, and we happened to wind up with a > surprising amount of... I dunno if "polished" is the word, > but, say "full-sounding" tunes. Yeah, I wasn't in love with "polished" either but I was trying to do it with one word and the only other one I could think of was "anal". > In some ways, those are the anomalies moreso than the home-recordings. Well, "home-recordings" doesn't work either. Mine are home recordings, same computer I'm typing at now. Where was the Rainland track recorded? What about Blatzy? I'm just curious. But I take your point. Home recordings have come a long way since I got my first 4-track cassette deck in the 80s. And maybe one reason I'm not put off by the lower-fi Thoths songs is that some of the best music I've ever heard was recorded on 4-track cassette by friends of mine. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:14:01 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Thoth Froth first of all, I'm waaaaaaay behind thanking people for saying incredibly nice things. the pure stun power of Rex's "Gabriel x Mould = Chaney?" equation has kept me near-silent in the intervening days. the question was raised about what we're all doing next. I have in progress a 3-CD project of home recordings, entitled VERY JUST FINE. VOLUME 1 is ready now, LOUDNESS 2 is nearly done, and I'm about a third of the way through recording of AMPLITUDE 3. details may be had, and preorders are being taken, at . I'm also keeping a blog at as I go along. once I finish this (planned for June or so), I intend to make the sort of higher-fi, other-musician-involving project for which Blatzy has long hectored me. :) [Dave -- I am astounded and humbled that *I* managed to earworm you; consider it a return of the favor for "Lonely Like I" and "Ergie Bergie."] Rex's original idea called to my mind the question "what would you bring to a pot-luck music party with the rest of Feg?" I think TINFOIL THOTHS succeeds exactly on that point -- the variety of textures, perspectives, styles, moods, fidelities all reinforce and support and contrast to make a thoroughly satisfying hour's engorgement at the smorgasbord. - -- dolph "urp." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:13:48 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Sweet music > grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >> A friend recently played me a couple of tracks by Matthew >> Sweet, and I was, frankly, rather taken >> with them. Where would be a good place to start on his >> extensive back catalogue? On Apr 20, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Girlfriend, then Altered Beast and 100% Fun. In Reverse and > Kimi Ga Suki * Raifu are also both pretty good. I've gotta say that everything Girlfriend on is at least pretty good. Some of them suffer in relationship to Girlfriend, but Tom pointed out how good *that* is. Sure, Kimi Ga Suki is a quick home studio recording for his Japanese fans, but about half of it is killer. One of those albums that you just have to turn up louder. - - Steve __________ contestant blackburn adjourn burette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Musical pretention through the decades Did I miss Rex's original post on this somehow? I have to quote Jeffrey's quote of Rex. On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:46:22 -0700, "Rex.Broome" > said: > > Another irritating thing about the bias against '60's pretention is > > how the Beatles are routinely grandfather'ed out of the accusation > > because they've remained in constant rotation in a way their > > contemporaries haven't. There are people who have and worship every > > Beatles record ever, but I can't get them to listen to even the > > strongest record from the same period by, say, the Kinks, because it > > just doesn't sound modern enough to them. And I strongly suspect that > > if "Village Green Preservation Society" was a track on Revolver it > > would sound fine to them, and if you erased their memories of "For No > > One" and plopped it onto "Something Else by the Kinks", it wouldn't > > make them cotton to that album any more. Just a theory of mine. I went to a show on Saturday (Tracy & The Plastics -- I think her new material doesn't quite match her fantastic debut CD "A Muscler's Guide To Videonics") and they were playing The Kinks between acts on the PA and I was totally loving it. I haven't spent much time listening to "classic rock" or whatever you'd call all that 60's and 70's stuff. My folks weren't hip enough to be into it and my elder siblings were closet metalheads that weren't officially allowed to listen to rock music (the rules loosened up considerably for me being at the tail end of the whole child-rearing era/experiment). I'm sure I've recounted here the thousands of times Viv has mocked me for not recognizing The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin in this or that context. She tried to play a cover song a few weeks ago and challenged me to guess the original. It was apparently a song called "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd. I don't remember ever hearing it before and (possibly because?) it was pretty bad (I'm assured that histrionic teens and people who are sentimental about their time as histrionic teens dig it). But there IS some really good stuff from back then that I pretty much always recognize -- most often by style or that indefinable "goodness" rather than specific memory of the song or voice. I think I've yet to hear a Kinks song that didn't at least sound like the work of some really good and talented people (even some stuff that was apparently as late as the 1980s). And for comparison, I'd say it's an extremely rare Beatles track that doesn't just make me yawn (it's pretty brain-dead stuff, really). Jefferson Airplane is really interesting and good -- from what I've heard, but it's true that the heavy reverb does make it sound a bit dated. That doesn't stop me from enjoying The Pink Floyd's first singles, though, so I don't know if that idea of sounding "dated" really matters too much to me. But hey, I'm sitting here eagerly awaiting the next Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark album. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #114 ********************************