From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #110 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 16 2004 Volume 13 : Number 110 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: snorting the best licks in town [Jeff Dwarf ] The Dense Club ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Ok, this is deeply weird ["Fortissimo" ] Re: The Dense Club [Capuchin ] Don't shoot Scott McCaughey [Tom Clark ] Don't shoot Guy Pearce, either... [John Barrington Jones ] Pixies Torrent 2 (Winnipeg) [Mike Swedene ] Re: More Pixies is more better. [Steve Talkowski ] Re: More Pixies is more better. [Steve Talkowski ] Various bits of offal [Eb ] Re: More Pixies is more better. [Ken Weingold ] Glosterware? Glosterwear? Glosterwhere? ["The Mammal Brain" ] Re: Kate Rusby [The Great Quail ] Better Thoth than Never [BLATZMAN@aol.com] RE: Kate Rusby ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Better Thoth than Never [Miles Goosens ] Re: The Dense Club [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: snorting the best licks in town Michael R Godwin wrote: > I remember thinking Janis Joplin > was grossly overrated when Big Brother and the Holding > Company were on the > Monterey film. I'd rather hear the original version of > 'Ball & Chain' any > day - Irma Franklin, I think? Sister of Aretha? Erma "sister of Aretha" Franklin did the original version of "Piece of My Heart." Faith Hill, of course, should be boiled in oil for what she did to it. "Ball & Chain" was originally by Big Mama Thornton. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:26:57 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Dense Club Tom C: >>Welcome to the club, Rex! It was recently pointed out to me that The >>Celibate Rifles named themselves after The Sex Pistols. But it's a botched job, so you can cut yourself some slack... I always felt like Celibate Rifles would be more the opposite of the Sexually Active Pistols than Sex Pistols. Anyhow... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:06 -0500 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Ok, this is deeply weird On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT), "Capuchin" said: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Jon Lewis wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2004, at 07:50 PM, Eb wrote: > > > http://www.subservientchicken.com > > > > For a brief moment, after it obeyed my command to "peck couch", I > > actually feared this was a real shlub in real time, enchickened and > > awaiting commands. But the second, perfectly identical reiteration of > > "peck couch" relieved me of that fear. "Moonwalk" was cute, but it > > refuses to "hit tv". > > And the "identical iteration" doesn't make ME feel any better, because OF > COURSE they're going to record each new command and enter it into the > database. I think I told it to "coruscate and obfuscate delicately." I wonder if they'll record that command. - --------------------------- J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Dense Club On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Rex.Broome wrote: > Tom C: > >>Welcome to the club, Rex! It was recently pointed out to me that The > >>Celibate Rifles named themselves after The Sex Pistols. > > But it's a botched job, so you can cut yourself some slack... I always > felt like Celibate Rifles would be more the opposite of the Sexually > Active Pistols than Sex Pistols. Anyhow... And really, is a rifle the OPPOSITE of a pistol? I don't think so. They're both firearms. The opposite of a pistol would be, like, a hospital. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:49:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Don't shoot Scott McCaughey http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/15/scott.mccaughey/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Don't shoot Guy Pearce, either... http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2004/04/0708.cfm =jbj= Ron Sexsmith's head reminds me of about 10 minutes of dialogue from "I Married An Axe Murderer" ("its like Sputnik!!") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:09:42 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: More Pixies is more better. Bit torrent for the Pixies second reunion show: Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Pixies Torrent 2 (Winnipeg) http://24.76.159.92:6969/ enjoy! mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:24:05 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: More Pixies is more better. On Apr 15, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Bit torrent for the Pixies second reunion show: > > I just tried using BitTorrent v 3.3a for OSX by going to File -> Open URL and typing in the provided URL and got a "Download Failed! Got bad fine info" warning. What am I doing wrong? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:00:38 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: More Pixies is more better. On Apr 15, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Apr 15, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >> Bit torrent for the Pixies second reunion show: >> >> > > I just tried using BitTorrent v 3.3a for OSX by going to File -> Open > URL and typing in the provided URL and got a "Download Failed! Got > bad fine info" warning. > > What am I doing wrong? Ooops, I figured it out. I went directly to the URL in Safari and clicked on the pixies-041404winnipegFLAC link, which downloaded the .torrent file to my desktop. Double clicking this file brought up the Bit Torrent connection window. I'm connected to 18 peers (yay), but no downloading is taking place yet (boo). - -Steve p.s. Ooh, sudden activity - download just started with estimated time remaining 15 hours (yikes) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:39:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Various bits of offal I didn't think Partridge's "Wonderfalls" song worked well as a TV theme (something about its dynamic shape just didn't scan right), but as a complete song, it's a damn fine piece of work. Clever use of the show's plot details as metaphor, and some seriously tasty guitar licks too. Another download recommendation: the new Beck song from the Endless Sunshine of the Spotless Mind soundtrack, "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometimes." Surprised that I've never heard of Korgis before. I love that Beck has developed a soul, even if it took awhile to evolve. It struck me the other night that Jared Leto would be a remarkably perfect choice to play the young Roger Daltrey in a movie. That is all. Eb, eating too many post-Easter-clearance-sale jellybeans np: Wondermints/"Barbarella" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:45:54 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: More Pixies is more better. On Thu, Apr 15, 2004, Steve Talkowski wrote: > I just tried using BitTorrent v 3.3a for OSX by going to File -> Open > URL and typing in the provided URL and got a "Download Failed! Got bad > fine info" warning. If you're using OS X, I recommend using the command line version of he BitTorrent client. It has options to limit the upload speed, so you don't max out your bandwidth. You can get it in the source distribution. Remember that OS X is BSD. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:52:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Glosterware? Glosterwear? Glosterwhere? . tell me mark holden owns their entire discography... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:35:07 -0400 From: Jon Lewis Subject: Re: Glosterware? Glosterwear? Glosterwhere? On Friday, April 16, 2004, at 01:52 AM, The Mammal Brain wrote: > 040414_music_suncitygirls.php>. > > tell me mark holden owns their entire discography... > > If he does, then I call him friend and fellow. I have as much of them as I have been able to lay my hands on in the last eleven years. I've been on a bit of a SCG listening jag the last few weeks, actually-- pretty much just them and Incredible String Band and Robyn. Maybe my favorite active band. Uneven and frustrating as hell, of course... Tuesday's nyc show was pretty mediocre, I'm sad to say. But about half of the recent Carnival Folklore Resurrection series of discs has been up there with their best. One of the best things about my seven years in Seattle was getting to see them live so many times. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:43:21 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: The Dense Club Capuchin writes, > And really, is a rifle the OPPOSITE of a pistol? I don't think so. > They're both firearms. > > The opposite of a pistol would be, like, a hospital. I cannot resist the urge to get as linguo-geeky as possible here! It is an interesting question. Of course, like most -- but not all -- nouns, a pistol has no real binary partner, so technically it does not have an "opposite." Therefore you have to take a more loose stance. Capuchin looks at one aspect of a pistol, which is its capacity to inflict wounds; and selects "hospital" -- a more poetic stance, semantically speaking. Of course, by the same token, "hospital" can be the opposite of "shotgun," "pneumonia," or "misapplied baseball bat." I think "rifle" is also a valid choice as "opposite" of "pistol," because once we accept that pistols and rifles are both firearms, within that larger category, they occupy positions that can be deemed "opposite" in many ways. Of course, so could "rifle" and "musket," for instance, if the binary property selected was "grooved barrel vs. smooth barrel." And so on. Ah, to be pedantic on a Friday morning.... Personally, I would have gone with "A Neuter Holster," but that's just me.... - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:44:14 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Kate Rusby Michael, > For all the Decemberists fans who love the songs of the sea that they do, > then check out Kate Rusby. Thank you! I just picked it up, and you are quite right. I'm now listening to it for the third time in a row....! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:43:31 EDT From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Better Thoth than Never Hey folks! I've been missing for months(years?), but I thought I'd poke my head in for a moment. Rex gave me a copy of Tinfoil Thoths on Sunday... I know I'm late to the party but I didn't know it existed before that, with my move back to California and such... Anyway, I wanted to give my impressions on what I heard... I read some of the old comments in the archives and I think some of you Paula Abduled your way through them. Really people, we can take criticism! It aint all perfect! First, great job on the packaging. It's really wonderful and Rex should be proud! The overall package is the best I've heard of its kind. The Feglist is very talented indeed. On to the bands- 1) Dolph, I've liked your writing all along and this is no exception. It's been years since I've heard new material and I really like it. Wonderful way to start a CD. Can't wait to hear something more produced with a rhythm section! I think this would translate nicely into a full band piece. 2)Well I'm glad there are 2 Nupp pieces on the CD cause I like this one. Great writing, great structure, nice vocal. My only negative comment is that I think the lyrics get a little Robynesque. Tear at you like a piece of meat... Hmmm....Or maybe they are just not my taste, after all, I think Robyn gets too Robynesque at times, whatever that means. Well done 3) She Doesn't Need to Say... Well, I can't get past the production. Sorry. It's not recorded well. I you have a nice voice, but I can't really tell. What I can tell though is that I like the upbeat positive nature of the piece. I like the tone and the sentiment. But it's a bit repetitive. Bravo for writing a positive love song! 4) Rainland- Nice job Rex! It's the best thing I've ever heard you record. Wonderful guitar tones. The vocals and lyrics are strange to me, as you know, and as such keep me from enjoying it as I probably should. But my wierdness aside, a job well done and second only to that song you did called "You Say Whatever" 5) Dark Matter- Proof that you don't have to hit every note to be a great singer. Nice, evocative vocal. My instincts tell me to turn everything into a 3 minute pop song,so I wish it ended a bit sooner, but this is a really nice piece of work. Vocally and lyrically well done. A mood that is well captured and executed. 6) Lullabye for Two) Well, the guitar work is great, but I don't connect with it on an emotional level and as such, I usually don't sit through it. You're very good though and I hope you have other recordings with a band. 7)Lawns and Industry. Sorry, I don't like it at all. I don't like the recording, the guitar tone, the singer... anything. I'm sorry, but it just does nothing for me. I think it's a poor introduction to your music cause it doesn't make me want to hear anything else from you. My advice is to put a stronger foot forward next time and share your gems with the people who already like your work. 8) Touch You Natalie Jane doesn't belong on this CD. I'm sorry. It's just too good. It belongs in record stores and car stereos across the world. This is like American Idol where you see the one contestant who really acutally < HAS> it... sure you root for Jennifer Hudson and the George Huff, but then Fantasia comes along and really shows you how it's done. From start to finish, this is what writing is all about. And clocking in at just under 3 minutes only makes it better... Brian Huddell, I don't know you, I've never talked to you, but I must tell you, I enjoy this song more than anthing Robyn has put out in the last 10 years. You are a rock star, and don't let anybody tell you different. 9) Second Chance- I can't get past the singing. Well, that's not true... I really tried to pay attention to the music and found that there is actually a nice song burried under an annoying vocal. Look, it's obviously not going to be to everyone's taste. It is not to mine. Nice musical work though, and I'd want to hear more with a different singer. 10) Rope of Days. Well, this one just gets a bit old for me. I don't connect with it in any way, and it is too repetitive and long. I'm not a good judge of this. 11) Om Mani Padme Hung. I have no interest in this type of music, and as such, find it dull. Every attempt to force myself to sit through it has failed. 12) Five was the TIme- Thanks Rex for submitting a song for me. But the song is actually unfinished... No backing vocals and no final lead vocal. Someone thought this was slick but dull... Maybe dull, but Not Slick!!!! written and TRACKED in a mere 4 hours! The only reason the vocal is doubled is that each individual one isn't good enough... Oh well, I moved out of state so it remaind unfinished. 13) Roger the Robot- Sorry, but I don't like it. Instrumentals are tough, and this one doesn't engage me 14) Carrier Pigeon- I don't like the singing. The entire song is just a bit out of my league of appreciation so I can't really comment on its style and substance. But I can and will comment on the singing again: Not distinct and creative enough for my tastes. 15) Gliding. Yuck. I hate it. Here is an argument for less is more. The first Nupp offering made me want to hear more. I can't sit through this song. It's way too long and it's really boring and dull, and it's also way too Robynesque. 16) Badger- Not a fan of ambient and as such, have nothing positive or negative to say 17) Perfume Makers is almost good. For me, the structure of the song is a bit annoying... 1:30 of instrumental followed by a minute of sparse vocals... you don't get to the real singing with powerful music til about 3 minutes in... If the song were better I might forgive this, but each individual part isn't compelling enough. The opening vocal isn't strong enough to follow such a grand opening. But this might also be due to the production. Makes me want to hear more though! 18) Bagfoot Run- Nice work again Rex. Very catchy diddy. My only advice would be to concentrate harder on the vocals. I know we differ greatly in our approches to music here. I'm no great singer, and I honestly looped and performed a single line between 60 and 70 times on my last recording (and still didn't get it!) I know this would drive you crazy, but I really like the tone of your voice, especially when you harmonize with yourself. Other than that, your playing is very cool. 19) I know the Felt... Well James, I can definitely say I prefer your higher register. I don't know if its the recording or what, but you do sound pitch shifted. This range, for whatever it's worth, doesn't sound natural. Some people might find that cool, but to me it's just a novelty. It's unpleasant. I wouldn't want to hear more like this. 20) Learned my Lesson Well. Nice piece of music. Some strange vocal phrasings have the potential to grow on me so they could actually be a cool thing. The overall piece is a bit derivative, but I really like the mood you've set. 21) What I like about Puke. This song actually annoys me cause it's comedy poorly executed. If you're going to be funny, I'd prefer something original. This is no different from every so-called college musician with a case of beer and a boombox with a record button on it. I have a million of these, all equally dumb. Just not good enough to be included here. Overall, a very solid package from a solid group of musicians. Remember, I am commenting on SONGS, not PEOPLE. I listen to this CD often. I am trying to better appreciate some of the songs that I don't currently connect with. If anything grows on me, I'd be happy to let the artist know that I was a complete dope and have changed my mind! Nice work everyone! I hope we can do it again sometime! Dave Santos AKA Blatzman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:15:51 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Michael, >> For all the Decemberists fans who love the songs of the sea that they do, >> then check out Kate Rusby. Quail replied: >Thank you! I just picked it up, and you are quite right. I'm now listening >to it for the third time in a row....! It had the same effect I me!! I have listened to it about a dozen times in the last couple of days. Underneath The Stars would easily make my Revised Top 10 of 2003. Michael B. NP Decemberists Castaways and Cutouts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:34:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Better Thoth than Never At 12:43 PM 4/16/2004 -0400, BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: >11) Om Mani Padme Hung. I have no interest in this type of music, and as >such, find it dull. Every attempt to force myself to sit through it has >failed. ...whereas after a couple of plays, it's still my favorite track on the CD. I seem to have a greater tolerance for electronic music than most of my poppy peers. The new iPod's mid-period Cabaret Voltaire section certainly is testimony enough to that. Or maybe it's because my oldest sister is named "Ki." She certainly would view it as the natural course of events that a Society would be formed in her honor. I really should say more about beyond echoing "Thanks, Rex!", and maybe I will someday. But for now, thanks, Rex! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Dense Club On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, The Great Quail wrote: > Capuchin looks at one aspect of a pistol, which is its capacity to > inflict wounds; and selects "hospital" -- a more poetic stance, > semantically speaking. Actually, I was trying to combine several of its characteristics. Sure, it causes suffering, but it is also small and easy to carry, easy to recognize and has a specific shape. Hell, "hospital" doesn't even have to be a place or thing. It's pretty vague, but usually it's big and rooted to the ground. > Of course, by the same token, "hospital" can be the opposite of > "shotgun," "pneumonia," or "misapplied baseball bat." That doesn't invalidate any of this, of course. [However, I think the opposite of pneumonia would be something very specific, big, and dry. Maybe Death Valley or something. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #110 ********************************