From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #104 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 8 2004 Volume 13 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Our esteemed leader [steve ] The Jazz Butcher [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Our esteemed leader [Ken Weingold ] While Dubya was on vacation... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: While Dubya was on vacation... [FSThomas ] Re: While Dubya was on vacation... [Capuchin ] RE: While Dubya was on vacation... ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" <] Re: While Dubya was on vacation... [FSThomas ] reap [Eb ] Re: I Saw Brad Pitt [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: reap! [Elizabeth Brion ] Decemberists at the Troub [Eb ] someone ELSE'S informal show review (of likely interest to Fgz) [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:31:13 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Our esteemed leader On Apr 7, 2004, at 7:50 PM, Eb wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040406/480/ > pmm10704061713&e=2&ncid Another picture for . And, there's this - - - Steve __________ Microsoft "innovation" - http://www.nimug.org/img/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:16:14 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: The Jazz Butcher - --On Montag, 5. April 2004 17:19 Uhr +0100 Matt Sewell wrote: > Pat, however, was excellent - I missed out on the JBC when they were in > their day, and so far the only recorded thing I've heard is Terry's guest > appearance on Black Eg. In the 80s they were among my favorite bands. I've lost count of how many times I've seen them. They were playing in Germany almost constantly. Pat was always prepared to share his bottle of vodka with my friends and me after the show ;-) For a long time I thought they were best when Max Eider played the lead guitar (mostly "A Scandal In Bohemia"), but now "Waiting For The Love Bus" is my favorite CD. I guess I've mellowed ... I lost track of them somehow. I wasn't even aware of "Rotten Soul". I guess I'll check that out. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:51:59 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Our esteemed leader On Wed, Apr 7, 2004, Eb wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040406/480/ > pmm10704061713&e=2&ncid Slow news day, huh? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: While Dubya was on vacation... http://jmhm.livejournal.com/818806.html ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:16:24 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: While Dubya was on vacation... Jeff Dwarf wrote: > http://jmhm.livejournal.com/818806.html If the fellow who created that did it by hand, kudos to him. It would take a while, even for someone halfway skilled in photoshop. If he used the algorithm program for creating it, he's just working smarter, not harder. As for the running commentary/sentiment, I won't go into it or entertain further conversation on it. The insurgency in Falluja and other cities, led by Sunni and Shi'ite rebels, is fueled by little more than human trash. Evidence: A previously unknown Iraqi group said it was holding three Japanese hostages and threatened to "burn them alive" unless Tokyo withdrew its troops from Iraq within three days. Rebels seized two Arabs with Israeli identity cards, shown on a video tape aired by an Iranian television station, and accused them of spying. A Briton was missing after being kidnapped in the southern town of Nassiriya. Seven South Koreans were seized by armed men while doing missionary work but were later freed unharmed, the Foreign Ministry in Seoul said. They were taken hostage near Baghdad. ...Al Jazeera television aired a video tape showing the three Japanese, including a woman, who are being held by a group calling itself the Saraya al-Mujahideen (Mujahideen Brigades). They were in civilian clothes. "We tell you that three of your children have fallen prisoner in our hands and we give you two options -- withdraw your forces from our country and go home or we will burn them alive and feed them to the fighters," the group said. http://luxulten.notlong.com - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: While Dubya was on vacation... On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, FSThomas wrote: > The insurgency in Falluja and other cities, led by Sunni and Shi'ite > rebels, is fueled by little more than human trash. That certainly makes it easier to pretend they're not human beings with valuable lives. > Evidence: > > > A previously unknown Iraqi group said it was holding three Japanese > hostages and threatened to "burn them alive" unless Tokyo withdrew its > troops from Iraq within three days. That's no different from the U.S. asking an entire nation to surrender or get bombed further. In fact, it's less destructive. > Seven South Koreans were seized by armed men while doing missionary work > but were later freed unharmed, the Foreign Ministry in Seoul said. They > were taken hostage near Baghdad. Oooh... seven whole people were being held? How many people are being held at Guantanamo? > "We tell you that three of your children have fallen prisoner in our > hands and we give you two options -- withdraw your forces from our > country and go home or we will burn them alive and feed them to the > fighters," the group said. War is hell. It's a sick and inevitable result of contests of violence that atrocities must escalate to show dominance. Since the people of Iraq have no weapons of mass destruction, the atrocities committed by the defensive forces must be more atrocious in their personal impact than the offensive forces' atrocities are in scale. Just another argument against starting a war. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:16:12 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: While Dubya was on vacation... Generalissimo Capuchino sayeth: > War is hell. > > It's a sick and inevitable result of contests of violence that atrocities > must escalate to show dominance. Since the people of Iraq have no weapons > of mass destruction, the atrocities committed by the defensive forces must > be more atrocious in their personal impact than the offensive forces' > atrocities are in scale. > > Just another argument against starting a war. That's all well and good but there is a war now and the real question is what to do now. I find myself with a paucity of answers there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:45:39 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: While Dubya was on vacation... Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > That's all well and good but there is a war now and the real question is > what to do now. I find myself with a paucity of answers there. I've increasingly thought about that over the past two months. The absolutely wrong thing to do would be to leave. As a people the Iraqis have already had to deal with near emancipation once. To halt now would be doing them a second and, this time, much more grievous disservice. One problem is that in Fallujah, for example, the insurgency isn't the entire population, but rather a relatively small percentage. If it weren't for the non-combatants I would think that simply encircling the city and laying siege to it would be the immediate solution. The cowardice of the combatants, however--using the uninvolved citizens for cover--makes that near impossible. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:55:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap [surprised I didn't hear about this until today] Actress Carrie Snodgress, who was nominated for an Oscar for 1971's "Diary of a Mad Housewife," died April 1 in Los Angeles. She was 57. Born in Park Ridge, Ill., she attended Northern Illinois University and received a master's degree from Chicago's Goodman Theater School. She made her feature debut with "Rabbit Run," based on the John Updike novel, after an uncredited appearance in "Easy Rider." After her notable performance as the explosive unfaithful wife of Frank Perry's "Diary of Mad Housewife," she took an eight-year break to have a son with musician Neil Young. She returned to film with Brian DePalma's "The Fury" and appeared in dozens of other films, including "The Attic," "A Night in Heaven," "Blueberry Hill," "Blue Sky" and "Ed Gein." Her most recent appearance was in HBO's "Iron Jawed Angels." She also appeared frequently in series and telepics including "Murder She Wrote," "X Files," "ER," "Judging Amy," "Touched by an Angel" and "The West Wing." She is survived by her son, Zeke. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:16:40 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: I Saw Brad Pitt >Brad Pitt: > >>"I was introduced to Nick Drake's music about five years ago, and am a huge > >>admirer of his records," said Pitt. > >Five years ago... well, yes, that was before the VW ad, but by >Drake-discovery standards, I'd feel certain that everyone on feg is >officially COOLER THAN BRAD PITT. Go, us! well, I was introduced to Nick Drake's music about three years ago. And I must say that - if his part of the actors' narration on the "Fight club" DVD is anything to go by - he has a certain amount of cool cred. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:51:16 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: reap! On Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 06:57 PM, Eb wrote: > From Tim Minear, regarding "Wonderfalls": > > "Well, not sure what to tell ya'll -- but we're cancelled. Effective at > once. The cow creamer will be silent this Thursday and forever forward. And yet, I just saw a commercial for tonight's episode. I'm glad I'm watchin' "Spin City" reruns instead of doing something productive... I would've been bummed if I found out I missed it later. Elizabeth (who did not post in a timely fashion to the heavy metal thread, but wonders if she can get some kind of credit for flying to New York to see Iron Maiden but skipping most of their set to hang out backstage with Queensryche and their moms) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:22:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Decemberists at the Troub Greetings.... I'm less enthusiastic about the Decemberists than most bands which I make an effort to see (I also haven't heard their first album yet), but I was really curious to see their live show, and curious to see what all the devotees are seeing/hearing that I'm not. I had finished a hilly 5.5-mile run earlier in the evening and was feeling a bit tired, but I collected my rubbery legs and trucked off to the Troubadour in West Hollywood. Unfortunately, the necessary post-run "chill time" meant that I didn't arrive until around 10:15pm -- the Decemberists took the stage only 20 minutes later. Thus, I missed opening acts Bobby Bare Jr. and Tom Heinl. Seeing Heinl's CD at the merchandise table made me wish I had seen him...the sleeve has an intentional "retro" design and looks like some old bluegrass cutout. Funny. The house was a sell-out, and since most of the bands I enjoy are falling out of favor (ha), this was probably the most crowded show I've seen in awhile. The Troubadour is a pain when it's full -- I've found that the only way to get from stage left to stage right is to climb the stairs into the balcony, and then climb down the second set of stairs at the other end. This place also makes me very glad that I'm tall. The show captivated me more as time passed, but at the start, I was still very aware of my mixed feelings about the band. I respect the craft and maturity of the songs, and I enjoy their clean lines and rootsy underpinnings, but I somehow just don't connect with Colin Meloy. He is more engaging onstage than on CD, but still...I don't know whether he's too twee, too innocuous, too emotionally bland or too unvarying in timbre. All of the above? Maybe it's that he's the most dire case of British-accent fakery I've heard in quite awhile. (Really now, how many Americans say "Loh SAN-ja-leez"?) He's a bit visually grating, too -- he sings with a default-smile, his enunciation is so conscientious that it's almost distracting, and he has this tiresome quirk of tilting his head back with ever open vowel. Nevertheless, he *is* talented. And while his singing *style* doesn't really grab me, I certainly can't fault his pitch -- his onstage vocals were pretty much studio-perfect. Of course, the set began with "Los Angeles, I'm Yours." Meloy repeatedly mentioned that this was the last night of the tour, and the show had a warm sense of communal, last-hurrah celebration (there were even flyers going around about a free after-show party at some club elsewhere in the city). The second song was "Billy Liar," but otherwise I won't be much good for supplying a setlist (especially since I haven't heard over half the band's catalog). The set was about 80 minutes, including a two-song encore of "Red Right Ankle" (with only two or three players onstage) and my personal favorite Her Majesty track, "I Was Meant for the Stage." The latter featured an extra trombone player, and collapsed into noisy anarchy just as on record (this is about the only spot where I think the Neutral Milk Hotel comparisons are warranted). Notably, the main set ended with a *long* crunching suite called "The Tain." It was about five songs' worth of material! I now wonder if Meloy owns several pressings of the first two King Crimson albums, because some pivotal instrumental breaks seemed directly drawn from that jazz/metal vocabulary. The band seemed to loosen up and get louder as the show progressed, and my feelings swung from ambivalent to positive. Auxiliary bits included Meloy's boast about his home county legalizing gay marriage (cheers from the crowd) and a funny moment where the guitarist (who seemed like the strongest musician of the bunch) found Heinl's wallet left onstage and, as the drummer contributed an appropriate drumroll, carefully aimed and threw it the 30 feet or so from the stage to the balcony-bound Heinl (this was somewhat difficult to do, because of the dangling lighting rig). There was also one song crooned shakily by drummer Rachel Blumberg (others will know the title, doubtless), which prompted Meloy to take over the drums. Strangely, he was more fun to watch as a drummer than as a singer/guitarist -- he had these goofy, exaggerated arm movements and facial expressions which were a delight to watch. Another fun portion was a mock "guitar duel" between Meloy and the guitarist during one extended song, which involved trading rudimentary melody-picking while holding the guitars in various ridiculous positions (behind the neck, over the head, in front of the face, etc.) Meloy even challenged the other to no-hands balance the guitar on top of his head -- and the guitarist (handicapped by a heavier electric guitar) actually managed the feat. After the show, the crowd at the merchandise table was huge! Lots of fans converted at the show, I guess. Just like me? I probably should have bought Castaways and Cutouts, myself. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:02:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: someone ELSE'S informal show review (of likely interest to Fgz) Leeds Irish Centre - 7th April 2004 An expectant crowd, and a few others who looked like they didn't quite know why they were there, were witness to a little piece of history tonight. The first ever tour by the legendary Rutles (although this gig was well into the tour schedule). The band walked on stage, strangely to no applause until Neil Innes spoke. They warmed up with a short song I hadn't heard, which ended with the backing singers (keyboard player, guitarist, Barry Wom (John Halsey) etc) having a "Rendevous" style chat with Neil, i.e. in conversation with him as part of the backing lyrics. They opened the show proper with "Number one", and followed up the remainder of the first half with nearly all songs from "All You Need Is Cash". The band are tight and very professional, especially the keyboard player, who is to the Rutles band what "Wix" is to McCartneys band. He enables them to be able to play classics like Doubleback Alley, Piggy In The Middle, Cheese And Onion etc. The only non Rutles song performed in the first half was the Philosophers song, which closed the first half. I remember this song from Monty Python Live At Drury Lane, and it went down very well with the audience. The second half opened with that great trilogy of Major Happy, Rendevous and Questionnaire. Most of the second set then was songs from Archeology. When Shangri-La was introduced to cheers from the crowd, Neil said "Yes, Oasis liked it too!", which led in to him mentioning to those who didn't know, how they had ripped off How Sweet To Be An Idiot with their song Whatever, and how he'd nicked it back for the intro to Shangri-La. As the end of the show drew closer we were treated to a couple more oldies, first Goosestep Mama "from when we were in Hamburger" , then of course it had to be Get Up And Go to close. Back they came for an encore, just one song though, Back in '64, featuring superb percussion from Barry Wom, who ripped a newspaper front of stage in time to the song to create a very interesting effect, giving him possibly the biggest cheer of the evening. This added a sort of Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band quality to the evening, and was much appreciated! No second encore from the boys, who left a very happy crowd to leave the venue at just after 11pm. Then came my highlight of the evening. After the gig we went round the back of the building to hopefully catch the band leaving and get some autographs, but were stood for at least 20 minutes with no sign of anyone. My cousin went round the side looking through windows to see if he could see anything, and we were promptly approached by one of the venues workers, who though he was trying to break in! When we explained, he promptly let us in through the back door which led us back to the stage area, where the band were clearing away their equipment. First we chatted with John Halsey (Barry Wom) for a few minutes, got photos and autographs, and I asked him what he knew about the new Rutles film which I'd heard very little about. (Apologies if you already know this-) He explained that it is not strictly a new film, but that Eric Idle has pieced together lots of unused footage from the original to make something new (maybe in an Anthology style?) and has added some new interviews to go with it (like the Paul Simon and Mick Jagger interviews), but that he and Neil Innes were not involved in any way. Then we met the man himself, Mr Innes, what a nice chap! He gladly stood and chatted with us, for what was probably about 10 minutes, again we got photos and autographs, and also got to ask him plenty of questions, I hope he won't mind me sharing with you some of what he said (again you may already know the answers to some of the questions asked)- Q: Were you on the magical mystery tour bus? A: No, we (the Bonzos) only appeard in the "Death Cab For Cutie" scene Q: Were you responsible for the mickey take of Free As A Bird "Please, don't put out this dirge"? A: No! I would never do anything like that! He then went on to tell a really nice story about how he came to do the Archaeology album. He said how he had avoided all things Rutle since John died, as he said it didn't feel right. He said how he was speaking to George Harrison around the time of Anthology, and George asked him if was planning on any new Rutles material, when he told George the reasons why not, George told him not to worry about it, and that he should go ahead and do something. Apparently after Archeology was completed George said to Neil, "You realise now one of you is going to get shot!" (this took me by surprise a bit!). Q: Is this the first Rutles tour? A: Yes, these songs have been around now for so long, it seemed like a good idea to get out and play them. I think that people who like The Rutles are generally people who have a mind of their own, they are a very interesting crowd, not swayed too much by the media. Q: Do you think you will tour as the Rutles again? A: I don't know, we'll see what happens Q: Do you keep in touch with Rikki Fataar? A: Yes, I met up with him not so long ago. He's touring with Bonnie Raitt and is enjoying what he does. Me and John (Halsey) meet up with him 2 or 3 times a year. Q: Any chance he will join up with you on tour in future? A: I don't know, never rule anything out! There are no plans though. We let Neil go then as he still had a lot of packing up to do. Great man, great night. The Rutles are still a living legend that will live long after other living legends have died. And Barry still wants to be 2 hairdressers. Long live The Rutles! Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:38:38 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: While Dubya was on vacation... > Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > >> That's all well and good but there is a war now and the real question >> is >> what to do now. I find myself with a paucity of answers there. On Apr 8, 2004, at 2:45 PM, FSThomas wrote: > I've increasingly thought about that over the past two months. The > absolutely wrong thing to do would be to leave. As a people the > Iraqis have already had to deal with near emancipation once. To halt > now would be doing them a second and, this time, much more grievous > disservice. The Iraqis are emancipated now. In the end, the Shia will get whatever it is that they want. There's no way that the U.S. will stay long enough to insure the kind of liberal democracy that we in the West would like to see. The real questions are whether the country will fall apart, and how strictly Islamic the eventual government will be. - - Steve __________ samarium cutlass chad cock turnstone bang currant robert compulsive ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #104 ********************************