From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #97 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 30 2004 Volume 13 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Album closers (Robyn content!) ["Brian" ] Make that a "Quad-Guitar Meltdown" ["Rex.Broome" ] Thothspotting ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Thothspotting ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Thothspotting ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Thothspotting ["Stewart C. Russell" ] alt-experimental... isn't that redundant? ["Natalie Jane" ] re: Howe Gelb ["Marc Holden" ] reap ["Danny Lieberman" ] How big are a mermaid's breasts suppose to be anyway? [grutness@surf4nix.] Re: The Thothy Times [Sebastian Hagedorn ] The end of an era [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #93 [Michael R Godwin ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #96 ["Brooks Martin" ] Tinfoil Thoths (1) ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: MBV ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:47:29 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Album closers (Robyn content!) R BROOME: > > Am I alone in feeling that Robyn shares with the Byrds a real tendency > > to make very poor album-closing choices? E BROOME: > I kinda like how "Flesh Number One (Beatle Dennis)" wraps up Globe of > Frogs with a happy-pop bow, however. Yes F#1 is perfect for GoF. Some other good ones: Underwater Moonlight/Underwater Moonlight Love/BSDR Nocturn/IODOT This is how it Feels/Moss Elixor JfS(Gene Hackman etc)/JfS Where's my coffee? - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:51:07 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Make that a "Quad-Guitar Meltdown" Jon on Television: >>Looking at some of the setlists posted on the Web, I see that one of >>the new songs is titled "Persia"; maybe this was that? It was a >>stunner, with a dark, hypnotic modal color and pained, halting vocals >>with each sung word from Tom synched to a faded-in chord from his >>guitar. (He was really doing a lot of them there volume-knob fade-ins >>all evening.) Speaking of dual-guitar meltdowns and Persia-related titles, I did go see the Church last Saturday, and... damn. That was a great show. Much better than the last time I saw them when they were just kind of re-starting to tour. Really heavy on the new material to no detriment at all; the music was just mesmerizing and the crowd didn't care about the lack of hits at all. In fact my only complaint was that I didn't need to hear Under the Milky Way again... would've subbed it out for any number of older tunes. That aside, there was not the faintest whiff of nostalgia about the night... I think they benefit from having sounded out of their time during their '80's run, with the '60's flavor and proggy/art-punky textures built in from the get-go. But what a band, what a show. They've moved way out of the "guilty pleasure" column where they often reside for me, straight past "I'll stick up for them, with caveats" and landed back in "strongly endorsed and I'll fight ya about it" territory. Back to Television, who would've come up if I'd started talking about the Church anyhow... >>I agree with your sentiment about a new record being cut live. >>Ideally, it would also include the blazing renditions of the old songs, >>and not just the new stuff. A live album with four or five new songs >>would seem like a relatively saleable idea. I'd keep the older songs on a bonus disc if I had my 'druthers. I've never been known to turn up my nose at any live recordings of the band's old stuff, but I also have so many of them that I feel like a new album should be all new material because that's what I'm going to want to absorb. If they do have only the five or so new songs, I'd certainly prefer to have them grouped together at the start of the album... but since nobody's really asked me and Jon to assemble the new Television album which may not even ever exist, I guess the point is kinda moot. - -Rex, no stranger to sequencing albums as it turns out... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:54:54 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Album closers (Robyn content!) Rex: >Am I alone in feeling that Robyn shares with the Byrds a real tendency to make very poor album-closing >choices? Especially during them there A&M years (I can get specific if need be)... but even Nextdoorland ends with my least favorite track, or at least one that should've been placed elsewhere on the record. Oh well. Lions and Tigers sounded pretty decent in concert. It should have ended up on Side Three thought(as others have stated), and Narcissus should have been of Nextdoorland. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:05:00 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: The Thothy Times Mr. Wells: > >>And I'll be first in line for Nuppy's new one. > > Me second... And the bouncing Dolph too (and others...) The last indecipherable verse of Jennifer is: I would rub sand paper on my face If, only if, my heart was the drug that you laced Hey! Thanks for all the interest and kind words! I'll try not to bug you all too much if it's ever ready. Matthew Seligman was kind enough to play on a couple tracks. I owe him big time! Brian Huddell's other stuff is great. Track him down and get it. If you liked Nat Jane, you'll like his other stuff, no doubt. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:56:21 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Thothspotting Luther: >>A tiny rail-geek question- which railroad? Baltimore and Ohio or Western Maryland? :) The Chessie System (C&O / Chesapeake & Ohio?). The logo still haunts me... a bold tellow "C", the inside of which was the silhouette of a sleeping cat's head (no grin visible), but I didn't recognize it as such until I was 7 or 8... I just saw a circle with some jagged black stuff inside it. We got B&O cars sometimes, too. We didn't have many mines locally, but coal was omnipresent on those Chessie trains. All the details in the song are specific to my hometown... it was a railroad town, but they closed the station, leaving it as a... nothing town. Most folks worked across the river at the paper mill also namechecked in the song. It was generally known as Luke Mill, but properly called WestVaCo, naturally named after West Virginia, in which is was not located. >>- ---It's a nice tune...but I keep hearing in my mind (where-ever that is) a lush >>arrangement of this...Dolph, would you mind a Ki Society remix of this track? Is this the second instance of potential musical matchmaking to come out of this disc, after the inevitable Dignan Clark/Broome McGuinn combo? I joked earlier about a record-release party and concert, and damn, I wish it could happen... we could certainly put together a pretty fair pickup band to back everyone up, and... you know, whole live album and everything... umm... well, dreams are nice, huh? >>REX...this is BRILLIANT! I wish I could've written or recording something HALF >>this good. I keep playing this over and over. It keeps making me cry and I don't know >>why. "It's coming back to me" indeed! Jeez, thanks! It's a weeper, so that's as deep a compliment as I could get. (Sidenote on this tune, appropos to mentioning the Church today: stepping back from it I started to believe this was either the Churchiest sounding woodhick song ever, or the most woodhick-oriented song to ever sound so much like the Church. So it was a little odd to find a song called "Appalatia" (sic) on the new Church LP. Miles, take note: Australians either choose to pronounce it apple-AYTcha, or it's a totally different word when spelled that way... hard to say.) "Lullabye for Two" >>- ---I agree. Someone learned Robyn's "Chinese Water Python", and did it one better. It is interesting that probably *the* moment on the record which evokes Robyn most strongly is an instrumental. I can hear plenty big heap other influences in Michael's playing as well, of course, but if this was on Luxor or Eye, I wouldn't give it a second thought (except in admiration of some fine fretwork). >>Btw, there should be a new mix of this track (with the haunting outro that unfortunately >>got cut from the CD) on-line in the next couple of weeks, along with more Ki SOciety >>music. The outro is quite nice... it should be heard. And there are some other very cool pieces in the Dudich-Dudich catalog awaiting the listener as well. >>Everyone, we are a REALLY talented bunch...Maybe I missed a thread on this when I >>was getting settled after my job got cut, but has anyone got ideas on how to get this >>stuff to a wider audience? Heh... if I knew how to do that, somebody would probably have heard of my band somewhere. But maybe someone has some ideas. Woj offered to plug it on the fegmania site, but I was a bit shy, not knowing how it was going to go over. I think I'll take him up on it now. Bayard was plugging it pre-release but he's gone now... Me: >> (Brian Huddell) generally records not as the Icicle Thieves (not Popsicle Thieves as heard >>on Thoths), if that helps... Yo... that makes *no* sense. Sorry. I meant that Icicle Thieves *is* his more habitial nom-de-la-musique. Thanks again, kids. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:43:27 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Thothspotting Rex wrote: > > The Chessie System (C&O / Chesapeake & Ohio?). The logo > still haunts me... a bold tellow "C", the inside of which > was the silhouette of a sleeping cat's head That's not just any cat, that's Chessie the Railroad Cat from C&O's famous advertisements. If you ever find yourself in Baltimore, the B&O railroad museum is more fun than you'd think, and it has all the Chessie memorabilia you could hope for. It was a couple of blocks away from where Catherine used to live, and I spent quite a few afternoons there while she was teaching. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:43:30 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Thothspotting Rex: > Yo... that makes *no* sense. Sorry. I meant that Icicle > Thieves *is* his more habitial nom-de-la-musique. I probably *will* use Icicle Thieves some day but most of the time my imaginary band is called Bicycle Thieves. I keep changing it because 1) why not? and 2) it helps me maintain plausible deniability, as in "no, I didn't record that crap, *my* band is called Dreamsicle Thieves." Also, there are at least 2 other bands out there called Bicycle Thieves so I'm trying not to be too attached to it. Anyway, sincere thanks to everyone who had something to say about my song, I really appreciate it. I'm proud to be part of Rex's excellent compilation. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:44:26 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Thothspotting Rex wrote: > > The Chessie System (C&O / Chesapeake & Ohio?). The logo > still haunts me... a bold tellow "C", the inside of which > was the silhouette of a sleeping cat's head That's not just any cat, that's Chessie the Railroad Cat from C&O's famous advertisements. If you ever find yourself in Baltimore, the B&O railroad museum is more fun than you'd think, and it has all the Chessie memorabilia you could hope for. It was a couple of blocks away from where Catherine used to live, and I spent quite a few afternoons there while she was teaching. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:44:19 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: alt-experimental... isn't that redundant? >So I was doing the experimental guitar noise quartet thing at the plumbng >shop last night (for those >counting that's either the third or fourth >current band for me, reformed too late to make it on the >Thoths comp), and >I heard a rumor that... Nels Cline is now an official Wilco member? This >from a >guy who sorta knows Nels. Between him and O'Rourke, I guess it >turns out the road from >Alt-Country to Alt-Experimental is shorter than >one would think. I'd quite like to hear a review. I already wrote a rather gushy fan-girl review, but I'd rather wait till I can get some perspective so I can write something slightly more objective for the feglist. Yes, Nels Cline is an official touring member of Wilco but is not featured on the new record. O'Rourke plays on nearly every track, though.... guitar, bass, and/or keyboards. Speaking of O'Rourke, I just got a solo record by his ex-bandmate David Grubbs (whom O'Rourke has called a "bitter egomaniac" - phew!) called "The Thicket" which I am deeply enamored of at the moment. It's really, really good... much better than I was expecting, in fact. Its main asset, besides the presence of amazing minimalist violinist Tony Conrad, is that there's lots of banjo. I really like hearing instruments like banjo, pedal steel, etc. being used in non-country/folk contexts, and Grubbs does this admirably. In a similar vein, a track on the new Wilco record features prominent use of hammered dulcimer. More on that later. n. _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:10:45 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: The Thothy Times > >>>It was all I could do upon hearing this to restrain myself from > >>>adding "the McGuinn part". I got the 12-string, I got the > >>>compression pedal... but man, it's just lovely as it is, isn't it? > >>>I'll save it for the live collaboration at the album release party. > > >I want to hear that part!!! Any way of dubbing it over the top and > >sending it back to me? > >I did think about it, actually, but I thought the separation would >be too weird, and then I started thinking about how it would need >some skittery drums, too, and the mind just reeled. At that point I >would've been doing a cover version, which... is not a bad idea >until it hits the singing part, which you seem to have done about as >well as possible... if ever I manage to work out how to get ProTools working properly, we can probably collaborate long distance on this... of course, that's a pretty big "if ever"... >Thanks so much, guys! Keep the reviews coming... or wait, has >everyone spoken at this point? not yet... I'm still working my way through the CDs from Marc's visit! Music listening time is in short supply at the moment, what with the upcoming exhibition. What I have heard, though, I've really liked. And I will add my voice to the cry of "big ups to Rex for the Thoths!" James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:29:58 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: NY area Fegs: Geek Farm (my band) this Fri. For anyone who was actually interested in making our last gig, we have another this weekend in Williamsburg (Brooklyn) at the Laila Lounge. If anyone comes I promise some Magic Garden action. Show is on Friday at about 10pm. Details: www.lailalounge.com Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:21:59 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Howe Gelb Rex said: >ISTR suggesting the Robyn/Howe collaboration way before this actually happened-- >seems like a natural given how both guys' solo shows have evolved recently, so I'm >elated that it's somewhat happening. Gelb seems to be everywhere my favorite >artists go these days... I'm seeing him again in April, this time opening for Wilco at the Rialto in Tucson. Maybe he'll find a reason to show up at Coachella, too... Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:10:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Danny Lieberman" Subject: reap Alistair Cooke, who only stopped making his radio commentaries a few weeks ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3581465.stm - -- Danny Lieberman dfl@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:25:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: How big are a mermaid's breasts suppose to be anyway? Reuters reports: City Wants Bigger Bust for Mermaid Mon Mar 29,10:33 AM ET WARSAW (Reuters) - The mermaid patron of a Polish coastal town faces plastic surgery after councilors decided her breasts were too small and hips too wide, a city official said Monday. The mermaid's looks became a hot topic during talks in the city hall on a promotion campaign for Ustka, a small port on the Baltic coast, in which the town's mermaid shield was supposed to play a key role. "There was a discussion about the coat of arms and one female councilor said jokingly that the mermaid's breasts were too small and that she was a bit fat," city hall spokesman told Reuters. The joke became a serious idea when local and national media got wind of the debate, giving sleepy Ustka plenty of coverage. "We are now considering altering the mermaid slightly by making her breasts bigger and making her leaner," the spokesman said. "She will become more attractive and Ustka will gain publicity." - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:25:17 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The Thothy Times > Thanks so much, guys! Keep the reviews coming... or wait, has > everyone spoken at this point? I haven't! I received my copy yesterday, and it looks lovely, but I haven't been able to listen to it at all. The way things are going it might be a few days until I get to do so ... But I'm sure I'll like it! Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:05:31 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: The end of an era RIP Alistair Cooke, 95. First Ustinov, then Cooke... who's going to be the third? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:57:57 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #93 On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > From: "Bachman, Michael" > Before he joined Squeeze Rawk: I saw Ace once in 1975, with Paul Carrack. > They were touring during the time that the hit "How Long" was > on the charts. Yes, and they had a guitarist who played that identical 'How Long' guitar solo (do'd'l'you dn do do, do'd'l'you dn do do) in every song. The great thing about 'How Long' is that it sounds really sophisticated, but actually it is quite simple to play. Hamish appreciates 'Carrier Pigeon': > Oh, but this is truly a marvellous song, 'specially with that lo-fi > sound. Please tell me you have more of this. Makes me think of Gong or > Traffic but good though! Well, you spotted where I'm coming from (although this piece was supposed to be influenced by Two-Tone records). There is a stack of stuff in the archive which I am currently polishing up, re-writing or re-recording for eventual public perusal, but at my current work rate it could take a year or two. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Gong, Inner Temple ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:52:09 -0800 From: "Brooks Martin" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #96 Eb said: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:14:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Album closers (Robyn content!) "Superman" was a poor choice to include on an album, *anywhere*. I'd agree that the Queen Elvis version of Superman is exceedingly sub-par but as Jenine says in Spinal Tap: "The mix is all wrong!" The Kershaw Sessions version of that song is amoung my favorite Robyn recordings and I think that if the album version had been mixed using the same priciples then it would've been much better. QE is my least favorite of Robyn's albums and I realized a while ago that it's entirely the fault of the production. I have that complaint about a number of the a&m albums. Anyway, Back to Lurking, Brooks Martin _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:17:27 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Tinfoil Thoths (1) Got my copy of TT last week, since when Ive listened to the whole thing about three times. My cover has a picture of a red witch wearing a giant red hat riding a red dinosaur through diagonal blue and yellow sun beams. At least, thats what it looks like today. The booklets refusal to sit comfortably within the whole package is refreshing as is the collection itself: Im sorry I underestimated us all, but this is way better than I expected. Dolph Chaney  Status Unknown If only I was a little more creative and prolific, I would definitely have written a song especially for the compilation, as Status Unkown is a cracking start to things. An Enoesque e-bow guitar line supports the accoustic guitar and Dolphs full, throaty voice which reminds me a little of Peter Gabriel. Hats off to the songwriting: a strong vocal line and chorus with an interesting lyric. Lazerlove 5  Jennifer A great, intro  I think Ive heard this before, perhaps on an almost-forgotten demo of Brians Ive got. I must dig it out, because this is a wonderful slice of nervous, edgy pop. Theres a hint of Talking Heads and the B52s here, as well as an influence that pervades the whole album  that of (good) REM. I love the backing vocals in the chorus, and the fact its all crammed into a little over two minutes. James Dignan  She Doesnt Need To Say Whats On Her Mind Its strange  when I first heard this, for some reason I thought of the Incredible String Band. Listening back to it, I cant hear the similarity anymore. Another consistent thread through the CD is an overall high standard of lyrics, and this one does nothing to lower the bar. Its engagingly warm, rambling and untidy, which entirely suits the song. Fort Ashby  Rainland Ive never been to W Virginia, but this doesnt sound like it to me. Through the excellent production  some fantastic sounding guitars, perfectly layered  I can hear a definite nod to some of the best UK indie from the late 80s and early 90s. Kitchens of Distinction and Ultra Vivid Scene spring to mind, as the songwriting is as tight and well-formed as the arrangements. Great chord sequence in the chorus The New Moon  Dark Matter I dont know whether its my imagination, but do the drums sound perkier than on the original? The vocals seem a bit clearer, too, and I could swear the guitar has a better tone. I guess Ill be begging Rex to master our album when it finally emerges somewhere around 2035. I wish Id had something a little more recent for this collection (Dark Matter was recorded Sept '02), but unfortunately I move at a pace that makes geology look a rather hasty business. Anyone wanting a copy of the EP is more than welcome, for trades or even just the price of the stamp (I *have to* charge for postage - allow me *some* dignity, damnit!). Michael Wells  Lullaby For Two A pleasing instrumental: acoustic guitar arpeggios, a little reminiscent of that Robert Hedgehog bloke who sometimes gets mentioned around these parts. Nothing wrong with that at all  Ive never spoken highly of yer Yamaha guitars, but Michaels has a lovely tone which accentuates the finger-picking prettiness. Monkey Typing Pool  Lawns & Industry A superb chord progression that keeps you guessing, and a vocal line that makes sense and song from the proceedings. I can hear David Byrne in here, or rather his influence. Chrissy says she hears Bowie. Scratchy and low-fi in the best sense. Popsicle Thieves  Touch You Natalie Jane This is just crying out for the original fuck, but not to worry unduly  though written especially, TYNJ is an instant classic, I reckon  another slice of guitar pop with a twist. Reminds me just a little of the Soft Boys  needless to say thats a compliment tlr3 Second Chance This has got a marvellously gothic Cale/Eno quality to it. Piano-driven, I dont think I can hear a single guitar. An eerie rising chord sequence and a last line that, though a plea, sounds chillingly much more like a threat, Ill be much better if you give me a second chance. Mike Runion  Rope Of Days A very sweet song  simple and beautiful. Whats the effect on his voice? Makes it sound distant, yet intimate at the same time. Another hint of REM (good, of course). Ki Society  Om Mani Padme Hung This is the famous chant backed with some agitated beats behind it. This is unlikely to find you meditating quietly, more like marching the streets as part of some Buddhist revolution. There are two sections to this, but if you listen carefully, theres always something slightly different going on in the mix. This kind of stuff isnt usually my cup of tea, but this is a lot of fun Ok, next half tomorrow... Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you going travelling? Help us to find the 100 best internet cafes in the world. Click here for more details and you could win #250 and a digital camera! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:14:08 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: MBV > From: Eb > Subject: MBV > They were always horribly underrepresented on the Web > before...fansites which > hadn't been updated in years.... Well, there was no one stopping you from building the best MBV site on the web, was there? Me, I'd rather not build a site for a band which has released two important albums in what, 12 years, and whose leader admits he's crazy, sleeps all day, and keeps 20 chinchillas in cages with barbed wire everywhere. Those comparisons of Shields to Brian Wilson make me wince, too. Here's a good story/interview with Shields at The Guardian: http://tinyurl.com/yv2gw ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #97 *******************************