From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #95 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Too good not to (Politics, NR) ["Fortissimo" ] TV, TV, TV ["Natalie Jane" ] TV Erratum [Jon Lewis ] Tinfoil Thoughts ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Arc of a dive [Jeff Dwarf ] Wafflehead bashing/Tinfoil ["Brian" ] re: Wafflehead bashing/Tinfoil [Miles Goosens ] Re: Arc of a dive [Vendren ] re: Wafflehead bashing ["Brian" ] re: Wafflehead bashing [Dolph Chaney ] Re: lesbian sisters and arcs [grutness@surf4nix.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:16:43 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Too good not to (Politics, NR) On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:56:22 -0500, "Jon Lewis" said: > I actually end up buying Atlantic more often than Harper's, simply > because it seems like more of a dialogue and less of a sermon to the > choir (mind you, in the case of Harper's, I myself am one of the > choir.) Atlantic usually has more non-fictional stuff in each issue, > too, which is what I'm mainly after, and its articles tend to be more > thorough, although drier. Harper's I'll buy if Thomas Frank's in it. Speaking of which, his essay in the latest editions is wonderful. At first, I thought it was just going to be an analysis of the right-wing bait 'n' switch (social politics promised, corporate entitlements delivered) which is, y'know, fine and all but kinda old news - but its analysis of the specific changes wrought in Frank's home state of Kansas was beautiful and moving, not just wonkishly political. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:06:35 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: TV, TV, TV >Welp, last night, after 18 years of intense fandom, I finally got to >see Television. It was the second of their two nights at Irving Plaza. > >JESUS FUCKING SHIT. OH GOD I WANT TO SEE THEM SOOOOOOO BADLY! (weeps hysterically) Thank you for the detailed review! Oh, I feel a haiku coming on... When, Television when oh when will you play the west coast once again??? A couple of years ago I declared this to be "Marquee Moon Millennium." Everyone should listen to Marquee Moon at least once before the year 3000, to celebrate. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:55:22 -0500 From: Jon Lewis Subject: TV Erratum A brief correction to my ranting recap of the Television concert-- I don't know where I acquired the inexplicable delusion that there exists a song called "Mercy" on the Adventure album. This must've been another new song, with "Mercy mercy" in the chorus and a lot of interesting volume-knob fade-in chords from Tom V. Jon Lewis celebrating Marquee Moon Millenium ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:19:35 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Tinfoil Thoughts (sfx: crunching footsteps, whistling getting closer) Ah...hello! Yes, it's been quite awhile. I have not, contrary to popular opinion, spent the last year off hunting white tigers in the mountains of Ceylon. I have instead been luxuriating in a copy of "Tinfoil Thoths" which arrived this week and that has led me here...to drop a quick post from offlist and offer a hearty 'well-done' to all the artists who made it work. This is one of the most unique and satisfying CD's I've heard in quite a time - and while perhaps unfair to single anyone out in particular, I do feel a special round of applause is in order for the one person who made the whole thing possible, and whose guidance and determination has seen this project into fruition. Me. Wait...strike that. Just kidding. Of course the mad props go to one Rex Broome, without whose efforts this marvelous little package would not exist. He rode herd on contributors, sequenced the tracks, wrote some of the (best) music on the disc, designed and produced the packaging, and even mailed the damn things out. "Tinfoil Thoths" would not be what it is without his efforts, and for that I wanted a chance to publicly acknowledge him and say thanks. This is honestly something to be quite proud of. Huzzah! I see from the archives that a couple of track-by-tracks have been done, and since I suck at those anyway so I'll just make a couple of observations and move on. Firstly, I've never heard a fan / compilation / tribute album that sounds this inventive and fresh. You can pick out derivative little bits here and there, sure...and some pieces have clear influences...but most every track still sounds original and unique. Each time I listen to it - and that's been a lot in the last three days - I hear something and go "hmmm, that sounded a bit like Hawkwind there" or "that reminds me of Matt Pond PA" but as the songs move along they clearly belong only to themselves. And they're each *really good* in their own way, which is perhaps even more startling. The consistent quality is unreal...what a talented bunch. Secondly, Rex deserves much credit for the putting an order to this lot; I'm thoroughly convinced that this disc sounds like it does is because a lot of thought was given to how it is structured. Songs flow smoothly into one another, in sound and in subject matter. Subtle art. I'm going to want more music from *everyone* who has contributed to this thing. Tell me there's a couple of Rainland cd's already in the can, please? And I'll be first in line for Nuppy's new one. And Michael "smoking fingers" Godwin? Fugggheddabouddit. Love that Rockpile sound! It's also been recently pointed out to me that someone has actually played my contribution to the project in *public*. Good lord. I should hire up Dolph to freak a phat beat under the guitar, and we'd be rumpshaking with Beyonce at the Emmys in no time. I can only say that by way of reply that I'm utterly embarrassed to be in such good company. In all seriousness, I'm not entirely sure what else the wily Mr. Broome has planned for this project, but I hope that it allows more people to hear and enjoy what has been produced. Write your Congressperson. Many people need to hear this. It is good. Michael "back to the penumbrae" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:27:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Arc of a dive Jon Lewis wrote: > However, "Wafflehead" still sucks. I think I'll drop in > "Eerie Green Storm Lantern" in its place. Bleh. Admittedly, "Wafflehead" is completely out of place on _Respect_ but it's a great little warped bit of audio porn. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:46:25 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Wafflehead bashing/Tinfoil _Respect_ is a part of a "slump"? I love that record (except for > > "Wafflehead And then: > However, "Wafflehead" still sucks. I think I'll drop in "Eerie Green > Storm Lantern" in its place. Enough already! I love Wafflehead! This is a highly creative song. There's no guitar, and no real instruments for that matter. Every sound is from the vocals -even the bass drum (Spectre listeners!). Beefheart turned Barry White vocals/lyrics. Come on! I know women who have melting in my presence listening to Wafflehead (and you know how hard it can be to turn people on to RH)! I could easily have a whole album of this stuff. Respect is a fine album and set of songs. I adore it. I would be very curious to hear it how it was originally intended -more acoustic, done in the kitchen *without* all the over layering and over dubs. I think Andy M. may have taken it too far, or maybe it was the producer (John Leckie?). But, a very fine set of songs including Wafflehead in my opinion. I still would love to hear the french accent version of Wafflehead. Bootleggers? On another note: Kudos to Rex for Tinfoil Thoths. I can't get the words "It's coming back to me" out of my head! I've been listening to it on and off since I got it. I'll have to sit down and really devour it before I comment more. The cover is mostly red crayon with blue streaks and lots of yellow crayon on the lower portion all on white paper. Lovely gold and white inner. impressed. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:33:39 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: re: Wafflehead bashing/Tinfoil Nuppy: > I love Wafflehead! This is a highly creative song. There's no guitar, and > no real instruments for that matter. Every sound is from the vocals -even > the bass drum (Spectre listeners!). Beefheart turned Barry White > vocals/lyrics. Come on! I know women who have melting in my presence > listening to Wafflehead (and you know how hard it can be to turn people > on to RH)! I could easily have a whole album of this stuff. But RESPECT isn't that album. At least in my case, you may be mistaking my complaint about its placement for a complaint about the song itself, when really it's no such thing. I'm glad "Wafflehead" exists and I'm glad that it was released to the public. But it's in the wrong place at exactly the wrong time. B-side, rarities collection, theoretical "whole album of this stuff," that's cool. At the end of REPSECT, ummm, no. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:08:31 -0800 From: Vendren Subject: Re: Wafflehead bashing/Tinfoil I love Wafflehead too! Mind you, I have to add that I often listen to the album but not that song. I also sometimes listen to that song, but not the album. Respect is my favourite of Robyn's A&M albums. I listen to it every Hallowe'en, a day on which it sounds extra good. And I love that Wafflehead is on that album. But I am glad that it's at the end, so when I'm not in the mood for it, it's easy to skip. But in terms of a vocal achievement, Wafflehead is a very impressive bit of work. Palle > Enough already! > > I love Wafflehead! This is a highly creative song. There's no guitar, and > no real instruments for that matter. Every sound is from the vocals -even > the bass drum (Spectre listeners!). Beefheart turned Barry White > vocals/lyrics. Come on! I know women who have melting in my presence > listening to Wafflehead (and you know how hard it can be to turn people > on to RH)! I could easily have a whole album of this stuff. > > Respect is a fine album and set of songs. I adore it. I would be very > curious to hear it how it was originally intended -more acoustic, done in > the kitchen *without* all the over layering and over dubs. I think Andy > M. may have taken it too far, or maybe it was the producer (John > Leckie?). But, a very fine set of songs including Wafflehead in my > opinion. I still would love to hear the french accent version of > Wafflehead. Bootleggers? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:24:53 -0800 From: Vendren Subject: Re: Arc of a dive > I still insist you'll all be begging me in ten years to forgive you for > your tragic misapprehensions of Luxor's brilliance! It's RH's John > Wesley Harding. It only SEEMS to be doing nothing. > I quite like Luxor. I'm always happy to hear those albums that let Robyn's wonderful guitar playing sit at the forefront. And there are stunning bits of melody throughout. My one complaint about the album is actually in the lyrics. He's going on about bees again, and insects. And vegetables. While Robyn seems to have as many things to sing about as ever, he seems to be running out of metaphors. Lyrically, I think he's in something of a rut. Too much of the lyrics on Luxor feel like samples of his earlier stuff, just re-arranged. That being said, I do like the album quite a bit. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:48:17 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: re: Wafflehead bashing > But RESPECT isn't that album. At least in my case, you may be > mistaking my complaint about its placement for a complaint about the > song itself, when really it's no such thing. I'm glad "Wafflehead" > exists and I'm glad that it was released to the public. But it's in > the wrong place at exactly the wrong time. B-side, rarities > collection, theoretical "whole album of this stuff," that's cool. At > the end of REPSECT, ummm, no. Ah yes, Mr. Miles, I do agree with you there. Bright Fresh Flower (or the Live In Years) would've made a better ending to Respect and Wafflehead would be better with another group of tunes. And this is what Robyn does for some odd reason. Nextdoorland could've been a 5 star album had he swapped some of the songs with Side 3, right? - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:09:31 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: re: Wafflehead bashing At 02:48 PM 3/28/2004, you wrote: >Nextdoorland could've >been a 5 star album had he swapped some of the songs with Side 3, right? Honestly, I think the only way to listen to Nextdoorland is with Side 3 coming after. I even burned them to one CD to make it easier. Lions & Tigers is a side-closer but not an album-closer; it's as if you ended the White Album with "Long Long Long." - -- dolph who is addled with brie and IPA, so grains of salt must be incorporated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:10:41 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: lesbian sisters and arcs Eb wrote: >I still think the lesbian sister needs a bigger part. (sound of me restraining myself from giving a reply to this) > > But, with the exception of his most recent couple of sappy schlock > > records, they've always been at a fairly high mark (as was also pointed > > out in this thread). The variance is more statistical anamoly along a > > smooth line than spike and dip. > >Uh-and..."smooth line" "arc." QED arclessness. it's the arc of an infinitely large circle. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #95 *******************************