From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #91 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 25 2004 Volume 13 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Kylie M. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Kylie M. ["FS Thomas" ] Re: Ginn Again [The Great Quail ] Cosmic coincidence, captured ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials ["Fortissimo" ] Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials [tanter@tarleton.edu] Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials [tanter@tarleton.edu] Peter Mike Bill Michael [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Belle & Me [Vendren ] Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du [Vendren ] Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! [Tom Clark ] Re: Kylie M. [Tom Clark ] Slam Dance Cosmopolis! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Slam Dance Cosmopolis! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] In the Life of Chris Gaines ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Ginn Again [Eb ] Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! [Eb ] Re: In the Life of Chris Gaines [Miles Goosens ] 'Eavy metal rawker [The Great Quail ] RE: Ginn Again ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Ginn Again [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: 'Eavy metal rawker [Christopher Gross ] Jam yesterday, REM tomorrow, but Dibley today (5% Stone Roses and Kylie content) [grutness@sur] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:11:07 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Kylie M. FS Thomas wrote: > > As far as Kylie goes, if you're not in the UK (or spent some time there > in the past decade or so) there's no real reason why you *would* know > her. Unless you remember her from the entirely execrable soap "Neighbours". When I was a snotty record store clerk back in '88, all the teenies would come in to buy KM's first record (the SAW one with "I should be so lucky" on it). If it was out of stock (as it was, frequently) we'd tell 'em that it was pronounced "Minog-YOU" and send them on their way. We'd laugh like scornful drains when they came back asking for it the way we told them to pronounce it. Thus ended my career in retail. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:24:29 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: Kylie M. Capuchin: > She's probably even bigger in many non-English-speaking > nations than she is in the US. Which wouldn't be too difficult. She's practically a non-entity. I lump her in with Robbie Williams. Quite possibly talented, and a wildly popular entertainer in other Europe and abroad, but one who (as of yet) hasn't broken into mass popularity in the states. Didn't she get her start on Neighbours or some other piece of drivel like that? - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:47:26 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Ginn Again Jeme writes, > At the moment, I'm really happy with your Mangum/Meloy open-mouth > vowels/good diction stylee. But I think it might get real grating if > there are too many imitators. (It's possible that Colin is imitating > Jeff, but it seems unlikely to me, knowing how the guy talks.) While I think there are definitely Jeff Mangum aspects to his vocals, I also hear Liam Gallagher in there as well -- not on every song, but for instance, the chorus of "Odalisque" could almost come from an Oasis song. > And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to suck > at about the same time the vocals came forward. Somewhere out there, there's a doctoral dissertation waiting on "Beliefs as to When and Why R.E.M. Began to Suck." My own take is that R.E.M. really started to suck at about the same time that Bill Berry decided to leave the group; but I have faith that some great work still awaits the lads.... - --Quail, who loves "Monster" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:50:18 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Cosmic coincidence, captured Last night I saw the episode of Seinfeld in which Elaine has a comic published by The New Yorker, the punchline of which is later discovered to have been stolen from a Ziggy comic. Then, this morning I was listening to Dean Martin sing "On An Evening in Roma" in which he sings the lyrics, "Do they take 'em for espresso? Yeah, I guess so." Hrm, where have I heard that rhyme before? ;-) Can anybody recall it being used in another song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:56:40 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials I know! I heard that over the weekend and I immediately thought -- why isn't there a moritorium on using this song in any ad? How effective can it be when it is being used to advertize three different things at once? Sumi >>> Eb 03/24/04 11:37PM >>> God...ANOTHER film trailer which recycles "Walking on Sunshine"? Amazing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:03:12 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:56:40 -0600, "Sumiko Keay" said: > I know! > > I heard that over the weekend and I immediately thought -- why isn't > there a moritorium on using this song in any ad? How effective can it > be when it is being used to advertize three different things at once? The secret is to stop watching ads. If it's on TV, turn the sound off, leave the room - or if you're taping or Tivo'ing, ffwd through them. I have no idea what's in most ads - I don't miss 'em either. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:24:55 -0600 (CST) From: tanter@tarleton.edu Subject: Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials Well it must be somewhat effective since it's a hot topic today on feg! ;) Marcy On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Sumiko Keay wrote: > I know! > > I heard that over the weekend and I immediately thought -- why isn't > there a moritorium on using this song in any ad? How effective can it > be when it is being used to advertize three different things at once? > > Sumi > > >>> Eb 03/24/04 11:37PM >>> > God...ANOTHER film trailer which recycles "Walking on Sunshine"? > Amazing. > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:33:42 -0600 (CST) From: tanter@tarleton.edu Subject: Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials Some tvs and things come with a zapper that actually somehow skips over commercials. We got a cheapo tv that has a skip button the remote and it skips out commercials. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:56:40 -0600, "Sumiko Keay" > said: > > I know! > > > > I heard that over the weekend and I immediately thought -- why isn't > > there a moritorium on using this song in any ad? How effective can it > > be when it is being used to advertize three different things at once? > > The secret is to stop watching ads. If it's on TV, turn the sound off, > leave the room - or if you're taping or Tivo'ing, ffwd through them. I > have no idea what's in most ads - I don't miss 'em either. > ------------------------------- > > ...Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > :: crumple zones:: > :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: > :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Peter Mike Bill Michael The Great Quail wrote: > > And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. > > really started to suck at about the same time the > > vocals came forward. > > Somewhere out there, there's a doctoral dissertation > waiting on "Beliefs as to When and Why R.E.M. Began to > Suck." And pity the poor TAs who have to read them. And (most likely) already have. > My own take is that R.E.M. really started to suck at > about the same time that Bill Berry decided to leave the > group; but I have faith that some great work still awaits > the lads.... > > --Quail, who loves "Monster" I really like Monster too, though it's a bit thin in the middle. I like Up for that matter, though it could stand some pruning. Reveal is worryingly conservative though, a drastic overreaction to Up. The problem is that, when Bill left, they didn't just lose a drummer, but because Bill can actually play other stuff and can write, they lost more than most bands would if they lost their drummer, and Mike and Peter aren't quite prolific enough on their own to fill the void, both from stuff Bill would bring in on his own but stuff from the three of them just fucking around. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:05:00 -0800 From: Vendren Subject: Re: Belle & Me > You are in Vancouver right? B&S are playing Seattle on May 5th at the > Paramount. > Ooh! I'll have to find a way to go. Over the years I've been lured to Seattle for a few concerts. Most recently Tom Waits. The first time was for New Order and Bronski Beat. Thanks for the info! Palle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:13:45 -0800 From: Vendren Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du From: "Eb" > Loud shows depend a bit on your seating, of course -- I can remember > really having my ears really ring after a *Jazz Butcher* show, only > because I was sitting right in front of the stage near a monitor > speaker. I've seen the Jazz Butcher twice, both general floor admittion shows. The second of those two shows just might be the best concert I've ever seen. And, it might be the loudest I've been to. Oddly, Stereolab was one of the loudest I've been to - didn't expect that. I saw Dinosaur Jr. once and it wasn't all that loud. It might have been the venue, which was pretty small. I saw the Dead Milkmen and Big Country there too, and none of those shows were as loud as they should have been. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:33:54 -0800 From: Vendren Subject: Re: Ginn Again > R.E.M. follows, for me, perhaps the most consistent arc of any artist I > know relatively well. It starts off at a fairly high level, goes up to > peak at Life's Rich Pagaent, then declines on an ever-steepening slope. Hmm. Looking at my reviews for REM over the years, I seem to have no real pattern going, other than my highest ratings being early. Murmer ***** Reckoning ***** Fables Of The Reconstruction **** Life's Rich Pageant *** Document **** Green *** Out Of Time *** Automatic For The People ** Monster **** New Adventures In Hi-Fi * Up * Reveal ** Monster is a hard sell, I think, because it sounds so different from the rest of their catalog. I dismissed it out of hand initially, but having returned to it much later I find I quite like it, and upped my review from an initial two stars. On the other hand, Automatic sounds very dated to me now, more so than even their 80s work. Palle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:58:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! on 3/24/04 5:44 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Most single-night hearing-damage I ever incurred was from a not-*that*-loud > Replacements show, standing in the front row right in front of Westerberg's > amp. By the first encore all the vocals sounded helium-powered, and my ears > rang for three days, no joke. And I've heard way louder bands. My > inclination is that Sugar was the loudest band I've ever heard, but then again > empirically I have to believe the Stones were louder than that. > > I have this old "Rolling Stone's History of Rock" book where they say Blue Cheer's claim to fame was that they played a show so loud that someone's dog died. > Fogey Line-of-Demarcation-Time: I actually remember thinking of Malkmus's > voice as Mascis-derivative the first time I heard it. Oh, and Mark E Smith > deriviative the second time, but whatever's cool with me. I hope I'm not the only one who gets that reference. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:16:03 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Kylie M. on 3/24/04 11:55 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, FS Thomas wrote: >> As far as Kylie goes, if you're not in the UK (or spent some time there >> in the past decade or so) there's no real reason why you *would* know >> her. > > Uh... I would think pretty much anywhere else in the english speaking > world. She's Australian, after all, and huge worldwide. > > She's probably even bigger in many non-english-speaking nations than she > is in the US. > And when did she become such a gay icon? Ian McKellan was gushing over her on SNL last year, and then recently some other show (Queer Eye?) made reference to her standing amongst gay males. Watch out, Cher! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:08:38 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Slam Dance Cosmopolis! Jeffrey: >>but those weird, slow, quiet numbers at the end are killer, and "Straight to Hell" and "Sean >>Flynn" are among my favorite Clash songs (however "un-Clash" they are). I do like those in a way... I wish the whole record was like that and the hits were off elsewhere. Then we might actually have something worthwhile, if not two somethings. But "Straight to Hell" has always rankled in that, if it is about, as I would assume, a Vietnamese war child, Strummer really should have known better than to use the term "Papa-san". It's kind of quaint and naive, but embarassing from a "politically aware" band. Am I missing something there that makes the lyric make more sense, or is it just something that nobody talks about, like Cut the Crap? Jeme, Tom: >>> And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to suck >>> at about the same time the vocals came forward. >>Whew, and I thought I was the only one who felt that way. I thought I was one of the few who *didn't* feel that way. Well, hereabouts and in indie-cool land anyhow. Jeme: >>In more of a Rex-y vein, I'd like to see a list of record sales that >>subtracted all sales that occured, say, within 12 months of a single >>release from that album. That number might actually reflect some kind of >>popularity and not just carpet-marketting. Good idea-- it would also disinclude albums purchased en masse before the public realized there was nothing good on the but The Single. Billboard of course does have a "Catalog" chart, which is famously topped by Dark Side of the Moon every month, IIRC... but does anyone know the definition of a "catalog" record? Like how long it has to have been out? Some records have been mined for hit singles years after release... >>It starts off at a fairly high level, goes up to >>peak at Life's Rich Pagaent, then declines on an ever-steepening slope. I'm sorry, I thought you just said... nah, can't have been... never mind. >>Basically, I put Murmur and Green on the same level and arc everything in >>between with a peak at Pagaent... Man... gotta get this hearing aide fixed... keep hearing the strangest things... Jeff D: >>Actually, I think Shelley is just about the perfect drummer >>for SY, since a louder drummer would probably end up >>competing for sonic space for Thurston and Lee (not to >>mention Kim and now, Jim). Plus, seriously... as with much about SY, it's the live thing... Shelley has just been there for so long that he's keyed into that improv-telepathy thing in a way that nobody else could be. And since their records are basically recorded live in the studio, he's essential for that, too. Since Jeffrey N. just mentioned that the SY self-titled EP is not that great, I'll just say that I agree, and if you've never heard it, be warned: the most jarring aspect of its not-that-greatness is the non-Shelley drumming, which... well, just take a listen, you'll see what I mean. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:47:30 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Slam Dance Cosmopolis! At 11:08 AM 3/25/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >But "Straight to Hell" has always rankled in that, if it is about, as I >would assume, a Vietnamese war child, Strummer really should have known >better than to use the term "Papa-san". papa san: pidgin used by U.S. servicemen for any older Vietnamese man mama san: pidgin used by American servicemen for any older Vietnamese woman http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history_glossary.htm (and other pages as well) - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:12:26 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: In the Life of Chris Gaines Brian Hoare: >>Ok, so I haven't had a chance to play it yet but the booklet promises an >>electic mix. I am especially cuirous to hear Scott McCleary's piece, I have >>recently recieved the source code for a granular synthesis program that I am >>to do some hobbist work on. I've had a play around with it and got some >>weird stuff out but I can't imagine how someone would actually use it for >>real. Scott's piece is really quite nice, and he's done a lot of work in that vein... definitely check out the link to his website if it catches your ear and you want to hear some more. Nice to hear the Thoths are coming to roost overseas... James: >>until I saw "Lost highway" I though that Garth Brooks sold a few discs, but that was it. >>I'd have put him about level with, say, Prince or Eric Clapton on that US >>list. Ahh, the essentially artistically bankrupt commercial juggernaut that is Post-Garth Commercial Country Radio. Garth was actually the top of this list at one point, if I recall, and may have been on his way to Elvis-hood before self-immolating with the Chris Gaines thing and halting threats of retirement and suchlike. Anyhow, this kind of lightweight country-pop stuff is almost invisible in the urban (less white, basically) areas which are the most visible facets of American culture worldwide, but in the vast areas between the metropoli, Country radio rules to the extent that it's the by far biggest format nationwide, and what they play is almost all bland modern stuff. So... >>Who the hell is Alan Jackson, or Vince Gill and Mannheim Steamroller for that >>matter? The first two are relatively recent country stars, and you can toss in Shania Twain on that front. Jackson really ascended through his 9-11 themed single, so there's that. Mannheim Steamroller is there for their (his?) never-ending series of best-selling Christmas albums. Christmas really gets you over on a year-to-year basis, it seems... someone alluded to Slade cruising on a holiday tune, and after all, isn't White Christmas still the all-time airplay champion? As to what I've personally bought recently... right here in front of me is a two-disc Monochrome Set compilation I picked up used based on many recent mentions here and elsewhere, and I do indeed wonder how I missed this before. Based on the milieu and the name (for some reason) I was expecting something a bit more art-angular-y (I think), but I definitely see an affinity with the more Soft Boys-y side of things. Not that either thing would be bad, but this is a *lot* closer to old-school psych than I expected... maybe I'd gotten them confused with the Pop Group, whom I've also often heard of but never heard? Pretty skimpy liner notes, though, so I'm still lacking in a bit of context. And the (long) track listing is unnumbered (memo to every artist and label everywhere: STOP THAT!) so I keep losing my place as to what song I'm on and god knows if this is even chronological. It's working for me so far, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:24:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ginn Again > New Adventures In Hi-Fi * > Reveal ** > Oof. I demand a recount. Eb, asking the proverbial question "Why do peeples hate New Adventures so much?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:29:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! >> I've seen Soundgarden. I wouldn't count that as a "traditional >> heavy-metal show." I'm talking about an old-school, lighter-waving >> Nugenty "HELLO Los Angeles!!"-type gig. And I really haven't seen >> anything close to that. The Who?? Nah. > > I've been to an open air festival headlined by Deep Purple, with > Johnny Winter, Meat Loaf and Mountain also in the line-up. And I've > seen the Scorpions once, with Joan Jett & The Blackhearts opening ;-) > Hail to thee, rawk person. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:39:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: In the Life of Chris Gaines At 12:12 PM 3/25/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >>>Who the hell is Alan Jackson, or Vince Gill and Mannheim Steamroller for >that >>>matter? > >The first two are relatively recent country stars, and you can toss in >Shania Twain on that front. Jackson really ascended through his 9-11 themed >single, so there's that. Jackson and Gill have been major U.S. country stars for a while now -- Jackson since his 1990 debut, and Gill since his '89 album WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME. So while they're "recent" insofar as they're far younger than George Jones or Willie Nelson, they've both been big-time for a decade and a half. I also feel the need to further qualify/clarify Rex's brief statement: though he's hardly uncommercial, Alan Jackson is the closest thing among the Big Huge Often Three-Named Country Stars of the '90s to a honky-tonk traditionalist, well before his "9-11 themed single" he was about as famous as a non-Garth country star could be, and his "9-11 themed single" wasn't a jingoistic, misogynist piece of trash like, well, anything proffered by Toby Keith. And while Gill's big-selling solo material is pretty dire, he's got great bluegrass/instrumental chops that he rarely shows on his own ballad-laden albums, good enough to have backed Emmylou Harris and to have gotten a job offer from Dire Straits. He's also now Mr. Amy Grant, for those keeping score. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:44:16 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Ginn Again At 12:24 PM 3/25/2004 -0800, Eb wrote: >Eb, asking the proverbial question "Why do peeples hate New Adventures >so much?" Well, don't ask me - it was my Album of the Year for 1996. I've stated my feelings about every R.E.M. album so many times here and on Loud-Fans that I feel no need to do so any more, ever. I'll just say that while R.E.M. and I enjoyed a 14 year run where we were very happy with each other, we've now broken up. And it's O.K. We're moving on, we're seeing other people. later, Miles, who has been spotted by tabloids with Jeff Tweedy and The Other Scott Miller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:47:14 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: 'Eavy metal rawker I skipped my senior prom to go to an Iron Maiden concert. Does that count for anything? - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:51:39 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Ginn Again On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > on 3/24/04 12:56 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > > And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to > > suck at about the same time the vocals came forward. > > Whew, and I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Jeme Replied: >R.E.M. follows, for me, perhaps the most consistent arc of any artist I >know relatively well. It starts off at a fairly high level, goes up to >peak at Life's Rich Pagaent, then declines on an ever-steepening slope. >Basically, I put Murmur and Green on the same level and arc everything in >between with a peak at Pagaent... oh, with that little dip down into the >trough where Document belongs (though that dip is still above the >consecutive low marks of Out of Time, Automatic for the People and Monster >-- after which I stopped bothering). Chronic Town, Murmur and Reckoning are at the top of my arc then slopping down to Fables and then Life's Rich Pageant, a slight rise to Document, a steep plunge downward to Green a slight rise to Out of Time, another slight rise to AFTP, back to the Green level for Monster. Like Jeme, I stopped bothering after Monster. I suppose I should probably pick up the post Monster releases one of these days. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Ginn Again Eb wrote: > > New Adventures In Hi-Fi * > > Reveal ** > > > Oof. I demand a recount. > > Eb, asking the proverbial question "Why do peeples hate > New Adventures so much?" 1) Because it came out right after they signed that $80M dollar contract with Warners. 2) It's a bit of a mess sonically in that the songs are all over the place. That's one of the things I really love about it, but a lot of people seem to think that albums should always sound somewhat uniform. 3) They're irredeemably wrong. NAIHF is probably my fourth favorite R.E.M. album, behind Automatic for the People, Murmur, and Lifes Rich Pageant. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: 'Eavy metal rawker On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, The Great Quail wrote: > I skipped my senior prom to go to an Iron Maiden concert. Does that count > for anything? It gives you MAJOR "skipped his senior prom to go see Iron Maiden" points! Considering how much metal there is in my iPod, you'd think I'd have seen a lot of heavy metal shows, but I really haven't. The only really big names that I have seen are Motorhead, Danzig and, err, GWAR. Add a couple of near-metal groups (L7, Monster Magnet), metallish punk (Corrosion of Conformity) and metallish industrial acts (Godflesh, Swamp Terrorists, Ministry on the _Filth Pig_ tour), and a few minor local bands, and that's about it. But I've never seen some of my all-time favorites, like Iron Maiden, Metallica (up through the black album) or Blue Oyster Cult. Corrosion of Conformity was the act that hurt my hearing the most, but then I spent most of the show standing directly in front of a speaker stack -- I could feel my clothes rippling around me, and had a ringing in my ears for at least three days. But the absolute loudest show I ever attended had to be Danzig: I was probably fifty yards from the main speakers, and it was still loud enough to be physically painful. I saw Dinosaur Jr. at Penn State in December 1987. The punks I was hanging out with hated them, essentially for not being hardcore. (I remember one mocking Mascis with sarcasm too thick to drip: "Oh, yeah, let me just play with my effects pedals now.") I, however, was quite taken with them, and _You're Living All Over Me_ soon became one of my favorites throughout college. I wonder what, if anything, ever happened to the hardcore punk acts that rounded out the bill? I don't even remember their names. The John Kerry-Howard Dean show I caught this morning was pretty good. Their cover of "I Wanna Destroy You" kicked ass! - --Chris np: Cirith Ungol, "One Foot in Hell" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:50:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Jam yesterday, REM tomorrow, but Dibley today (5% Stone Roses and Kylie content) > > I would pick "A Town Called Malice" as the most likely > > highest-charting Jam single in the U.S.. That's not > > saying much, though. I'm Googling for U.S. chart numbers > > for the Jam, but have yet to turn them up. They needed a > > more distinctive band name; "jam" lets in too much dross > > (i.e., Jam/Lewis). :-) > >I looked it up in the Billboard book here at work, and The >Jam never had a Top 100 single in the US. But if I had to >guess, I'd probably say ATCM would most likely be the >closest to have becoming one. FWIW, in Britain (according to my ancient copy ofthe Guinness book of British Hit Singles), the Jam had four no 1s, nine top ten singles, and 21 top 60s. The equivalent book for albums lists The Gift as a number one, with six other albums (including two greatest hits packages) making the top 10. Four of these peaked at 2. They also had an alarming number of singles chart re-entries, with an astonishing fourteen singles re-entering the charts in early 1983 - it looks as though 12 of them were all in the top 60 on 5 Feb 83. Is that possible, or is there a weird glitch in this book? - --- >R.E.M. follows, for me, perhaps the most consistent arc of any artist I >know relatively well. It starts off at a fairly high level, goes up to >peak at Life's Rich Pagaent, then declines on an ever-steepening slope. > >Basically, I put Murmur and Green on the same level and arc everything in >between with a peak at Pagaent... oh, with that little dip down into the >trough where Document belongs (though that dip is still above the >consecutive low marks of Out of Time, Automatic for the People and Monster >- -- after which I stopped bothering). shock horror, I agree with Jeme for the second time this week. Some minor differences, mind you. I'd put "Fables..." at the top of the arc, and I'd add in a secondary peak at "Automatic for the people" (it helps if you think of this as being by a different band and totally unconnected from the Pageant/Fables era REM. I have "New adventures in hi-fi", but I don't think I've listened to it more than twice. - --- >I had never heard of Kylie Minogue until I saw an episode of the Vicar of >Dibley (a truly outstanding show) in which they think that they are going >to get Elton John to open the county fair, but things go rather awry. >Kylie Minogue shows up to save the day. I didn't know who she was, but I >figured that she was some kind of pop icon. Does anyone else like that >show? no-no-no-no-no-no-yes. Seems at first like a fairly standard British sitcom, but it's actually a cut above most of them. - --- As for Stone Roses and Ian Brown's voice, they will always be redeemed for me by their extended version of "Fool's gold". James (who has traced the "Madchester beat" back to the Doors' "Peace frog" and Donovan's "Barabajagal") PS - add another guilty pleasure - Kylie. Wouldn't mind if she was even more of a guilty pleasure, too, if you get my drift... - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #91 *******************************