From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #90 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 25 2004 Volume 13 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du ["Eugene Hopstet] RE: US/UK (U/SUK?) ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) ["Fortissimo" ] Re: top British sellers [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Ginn Again [Tom Clark ] Re: top British sellers [Capuchin ] Re: Ginn Again [Capuchin ] Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du ["Maximilian Lan] ? [Jill Brand ] Kylie M. [Jill Brand ] Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! ["Rex.Broome" ] the messiah may be your sister but Kylie is my queen [Miles Goosens ] "Jersey Girl" commercials [Eb ] Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials [Capuchin ] RE: Kylie M. [Capuchin ] Tinfoil Toths ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Sonic Youth Vs. Kim Wilde in cage match to the pain!! With special guests The Jam [Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du > From: Miles Goosens > > Really? The one before they were forced to add "Jr." to the name? > I've got it on vinyl, back at my mom's house. Haven't played it in > years. What's it going for? Yep, the one without "Jr." ISTR it selling for $30-50 in tip-top shape. AFAIK, Eb's paying $10 or $12 still makes it pretty valuable, for an LP of that era. I wonder how much that Dinosaur, Jr. EP with the etched side is worth? Maybe I'l sell off my SST LPs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:10:37 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: US/UK (U/SUK?) > I don't think the Jam ever threatened to crack the top 100 U.S. singles. > Madness had "Our House," which was a genuine chart topper, but nothing > else. The last single by The Jam, "Bitterest Pill (I Ever Had to Swallow)" might have come close. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:21:22 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: US/UK (U/SUK?) At 05:10 PM 3/24/2004 -0500, Bachman, Michael wrote: >> I don't think the Jam ever threatened to crack the top 100 U.S. singles. >> Madness had "Our House," which was a genuine chart topper, but nothing >> else. > > The last single by The Jam, "Bitterest Pill (I Ever Had to Swallow)" >might have come close. I would pick "A Town Called Malice" as the most likely highest-charting Jam single in the U.S.. That's not saying much, though. I'm Googling for U.S. chart numbers for the Jam, but have yet to turn them up. They needed a more distinctive band name; "jam" lets in too much dross (i.e., Jam/Lewis). :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:10:34 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:16:57 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" said: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > > By a wide margin - "Train in Vain" skirted the lower reaches of the top > > 40, and "Rock the Casbah" and "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" were > > bona-fide radio hits. > > Every great band should be shot > Before they make their Combat Rock No way, no way, no way. Okay, I don't think much of "Overpowered by Funk" and Ginsberg's mutterings on "Ghetto Defendant" are funnier than I think they're supposed to be (and sound as if the room was, indeed, overpowered by funk at the time) - but those weird, slow, quiet numbers at the end are killer, and "Straight to Hell" and "Sean Flynn" are among my favorite Clash songs (however "un-Clash" they are). Plus the first one provided the title for one of my favorite movies (go ahead, crucify me now - I think it's funny, and that's that. Plus Courtney Love screeching away like a banshee - showing her incredible range as an actress...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:57:49 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: top British sellers Mickiegodwin! wrote: >Definitely worth a look, with quite a few oddities, such as: >Why would Slade have higher sales than T Rex or Roxy Music? >Why would the Hollies have outsold the Move, the Kinks and the Who? >Apparently if you go on chart weeks, rather than millions of singles, >Elvis tops the list. Slade is probably due to that Christmas single that appeared every year for about seven decades. As to Cliff being top, you could definitely make a case for Macca - 20 million with Das Bootboys and several million solo. Kylie, yes. She's big everywhere exceopt the states. But Shakin' fxn Stevens??? I'd always hoped he was a one-hit wonder everywhere (two if you count the duet with Suzy Q). >Also, in the US the Hollies easily outsold the Kinks (wahh!!!) and the >Move, who were more or less unknown; and actually, they (Hollies) also >easily were more well known than the Who until Tommy. The Who only had >maybe a couple of top 40 hits before that (I Can See For Miles and uh, >Pinball Wizard?). After Nash left the Hollies had two/three more hits (Air >that I Breathe, Long Cool Woman, ?) and then more or less disappeared. ISTR that in the UK the Who are one of the bands with most top 10 hits but no number ones (they share this title with ELO and Elton John, IIRC). >And the Status Quo? > >If we could name "Pictures of Matchstick Men," that'd be about it. not even "Rocking all over the world"? >Last point: Did anyone see the very long Sid Griffin [et al] documentary >about Gram Parsons? They interviewed everyone, including Chris Hillman, >Chris Ethridge, Keith Richards, Miss Pamela and Gram's sister and >daughter. Really good, but as always with rockdocs I would have liked to >see the Burritos playing the whole of "Hot Burrito #1" uninterrupted, >rather than just a clipette. Is there anywhere I can buy a VHS video of >the Burritos performing in those idiotic floral suits? Other recently seen footage: they featured briefly (though not in said suits) on part 3 of the "Lost Highway" documentary series on the history of Country Music. >Here's something based on US *album* sales for (very) rough comparison: > >http://www.neosoul.com/riaa/artists/ and you see, there is the difference. until I saw "Lost highway" I though that Garth Brooks sold a few discs, but that was it. I'd have put him about level with, say, Prince or Eric Clapton on that US list. Amazed to see Aerosmith and AC/DC so high. George Strait is virtually unknown here - if you said his name in Dunedin, people would think you were mispronouncing this city's main road! Who the hell is Alan Jackson, or Vince Gill and Mannheim Steamroller for that matter? Alabama??? Santana??? JOURNEY????? Surely James Taylor was a one-hit wonder (okay, two, but that's all. Nothing heard from him since about 1971). And I'm disappointed to see Hootie make the list. Interesting that there are no rap acts on the list that I can see. And all these acts have sold more albums that: Stevie Wonder, David Bowie, Paul Simon, the Who, Wings, Diana Ross, Queen, the Beach Boys, Abba, ELO, T. Rex, Donna Summer, Andy Williams, Britney... I find it difficult to believe. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:13:48 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Ginn Again on 3/24/04 12:56 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to suck > at about the same time the vocals came forward. > Whew, and I thought I was the only one who felt that way. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: top British sellers On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > and you see, there is the difference. until I saw "Lost highway" I > though that Garth Brooks sold a few discs, but that was it. I'd have put > him about level with, say, Prince or Eric Clapton on that US list. > Amazed to see Aerosmith and AC/DC so high. George Strait is virtually > unknown here - if you said his name in Dunedin, people would think you > were mispronouncing this city's main road! Who the hell is Alan Jackson, > or Vince Gill and Mannheim Steamroller for that matter? The only one there that isn't just plainly obvious to me is Mannheim Steamroller. > Alabama??? Santana??? JOURNEY????? Surely James Taylor was a one-hit > wonder (okay, two, but that's all. Nothing heard from him since about > 1971). And I'm disappointed to see Hootie make the list. Interesting > that there are no rap acts on the list that I can see. > > And all these acts have sold more albums that: Stevie Wonder, David > Bowie, Paul Simon, the Who, Wings, Diana Ross, Queen, the Beach Boys, > Abba, ELO, T. Rex, Donna Summer, Andy Williams, Britney... I find it > difficult to believe. The list looks odd to me, but mostly because there was no Johnny Cash. I mean, didn't that man account for 5% of ALL record sales in 1968? I know the numbers have gone astronomical since then, but I'd've bet he kept pace with almost anybody. I guess this all shows how much insta-pop sales impact these kinds of lists. In more of a Rex-y vein, I'd like to see a list of record sales that subtracted all sales that occured, say, within 12 months of a single release from that album. That number might actually reflect some kind of popularity and not just carpet-marketting. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Ginn Again On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > on 3/24/04 12:56 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > > And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to > > suck at about the same time the vocals came forward. > > Whew, and I thought I was the only one who felt that way. R.E.M. follows, for me, perhaps the most consistent arc of any artist I know relatively well. It starts off at a fairly high level, goes up to peak at Life's Rich Pagaent, then declines on an ever-steepening slope. Basically, I put Murmur and Green on the same level and arc everything in between with a peak at Pagaent... oh, with that little dip down into the trough where Document belongs (though that dip is still above the consecutive low marks of Out of Time, Automatic for the People and Monster - -- after which I stopped bothering). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:52:58 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du >From: Eb >To: fgz >Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:18:59 -0800 >Otherwise, yeah, the Dinosaur Jr. shows and my second My Bloody Valentine >show certainly rank up there with the loudest concerts I've seen. The >Butthole Surfers were pretty loud at times, too. I distinctly recall seeing >a pivotal Butthole Surfers-led bill at the Variety Arts Center circa 1987, >and thinking, OK, I always need to wear earplugs from now on. And I did. My two loudest were Sonic Youth at the Cheastnut Caberet and My Morning Jacket at the TLA in October of last year. My ears rang for 4 days after SY and I was in pain at the MMJ show. If you go see MMJ wear earplugs, no matter where you are it's going to be too loud. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: ? >We-welease Bwian! What about Wodewick? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Kylie M. I had never heard of Kylie Minogue until I saw an episode of the Vicar of Dibley (a truly outstanding show) in which they think that they are going to get Elton John to open the county fair, but things go rather awry. Kylie Minogue shows up to save the day. I didn't know who she was, but I figured that she was some kind of pop icon. Does anyone else like that show? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:44:55 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! Eugene: >>Other than the Meat Puppets reissues, who can name a good-sounding, quality CD >>reissue of an SST or indie band from the same period? The Galaxie 500 box (now reduced to its component parts) sounds really good to me. Ryko again. And the Camper Van Beethoven box, well, it don't sound great, but I think they got about as much juice out of those masters as they were going to. It basically sounds like it's supposed to. The indie aesthetic was such that hi-fi was neither an achieveable nor desireable goal. But we oughtta have CD's that sound comparable to the LP's. So SST's suckitude, coupled with just how much that label dominated the whole milieu, is a double decker shit sandwich no matter how you look at it, says I. And nope, I know nothing about Slovenly. Miles: >>There are still at least a half-dozen songs I heard on college radio that I'd love to have, but the >>lyric snippets I remember are Google-resistant, and the DJs either never said or unintelligibly >>mumbled the artist name and song title, so I'm doomed never to know them... Hey, the coolest radio station I ever listened to regularly was in Paris, so there are a few I'm still working on, too... and I knock a few down every year (anyone got copies of the Dentists' "Crocodile Tears" or Mike Rimbaud's "Prophet Surfer" they'd burn for me?). For a good long while I thought there was a Dinosaur Jr. knockoff band called Slider who did a tune called "Grandma Take Me Home". But it turned out to be... well, a band who was huge before I found out I was mistaking a really poor pronunciation of the track's real name for the band's name. Eb: >>Loud shows depend a bit on your seating, of course -- I can remember >>really having my ears really ring after a *Jazz Butcher* show, only >>because I was sitting right in front of the stage near a monitor >>speaker. True. Most single-night hearing-damage I ever incurred was from a not-*that*-loud Replacements show, standing in the front row right in front of Westerberg's amp. By the first encore all the vocals sounded helium-powered, and my ears rang for three days, no joke. And I've heard way louder bands. My inclination is that Sugar was the loudest band I've ever heard, but then again empirically I have to believe the Stones were louder than that. >>After all, I haven't seen even *one* traditional heavy-metal show. :) I think I can almost match you there, depending on your definition of "traditional". Every once in a while you get the "opening band surprise". I saw Soundgarden on a 12-band bill in San Diego once, but hell, Michelle Shocked and the Charlatans were there, too, so it was hardly Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Got nothing bad to say 'bout Steve Shelley... nothing at all. If not for him, wherever would we get our Lee Hazelwood reissues? Jeffrey: >> I mean, just look at his titles (I'm not; I'm making them up): "Whatever." "If You Want." >>"Dude That Is So Uncool." Etc. Actually that first one should be, IIRC, "Whatever's Cool With Me". Same sentiment, but at least he cared enough to add three more words (four counting the implied "Is"). >>There tend to be two kinds of shoegazey vocals: you >>got yr MBV-style and you got yr Cocteau Twins femme style. Ooooh ooh ooh ooh! And the Too Cool For School Like Uncle Lou Style! Yup, we shoulda let Miles generalize... look where we are now. Miles/Nat: >>>Speaking of Dinosaur Jr., I've only recently come to realize that J. Mascis >>>is to blame for a lot of the >suckage of indie rock in the '90s >Toss-up between him and Malkmus/Pavement, I would say. Fogey Line-of-Demarcation-Time: I actually remember thinking of Malkmus's voice as Mascis-derivative the first time I heard it. Oh, and Mark E Smith deriviative the second time, but whatever's cool with me. >>the Stone Roses. I'm convinced that the second biggest factor in me not liking them (...) is Ian >>Brown's vocals, which for me are a total snoozerama. See, I find them just fine for that cute Merseybeat stuff, okay for the rave thing, but boy, on that second album... yo, there was a reason Led Zepplin didn't hire Colin Blunstone as a singer, and Ian Brown is no Colin Blunstone. >>Whereas for me, Kylie has scientifically eliminated the need for Madonna. (etc.) Whoa there... not steppin' on your girl's toes/integrity... just recounting my memory of her '80's chart prominence. >>Now, CUT THE CRAP, that's a shooting offense. And now systematically denied like the VU's Squeeze, the Bunnymen's Reverberation, etc... not to reignite threads of old... - -Rex "okay I'm tired now" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:37:22 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! >>> After all, I haven't seen even *one* traditional heavy-metal show. :) > > I think I can almost match you there, depending on your definition of > "traditional". Every once in a while you get the "opening band > surprise". I saw Soundgarden on a 12-band bill in San Diego once, but > hell, Michelle Shocked and the Charlatans were there, too, so it was > hardly Heavy Metal Parking Lot. I've seen Soundgarden. I wouldn't count that as a "traditional heavy-metal show." I'm talking about an old-school, lighter-waving Nugenty "HELLO Los Angeles!!"-type gig. And I really haven't seen anything close to that. The Who?? Nah. That was the first time I have ever used the adjective "Nugenty." I am positive of this. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:39:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: the messiah may be your sister but Kylie is my queen Rex on Ian Brown: > See, I find them just fine for that cute Merseybeat stuff, > okay for the rave thing, but boy, on that second album... > yo, there was a reason Led Zepplin didn't hire Colin > Blunstone as a singer, and Ian Brown is no Colin Blunstone. My Stone Roses-crazed youngish friend thought that, based on my complaints about their first album, that I'd be into their second, what with the tougher guitar sound. But cranking up the blooze and distortion just made Ian Brown even more inadequate, instead of inspiring/uncovering power and resonance in Brown's singing. >>>Whereas for me, Kylie has scientifically eliminated the >>>need for Madonna. (etc.) > > Whoa there... not steppin' on your girl's toes/integrity... I actually didn't take it that way. I'll take any excuse to go on about Kylie. :-) Though I'm not so enamored of the new one: "Slow" is a great single, and "Still Standing" is just as good, but I'm not that keen on the rest of it... > just recounting my memory of her '80's chart prominence That's pretty accurate: not nearly Madonna, or even at the sales level of Debbie Gibson or Tiffany, but having one big hit put her way ahead of Kim Wilde. "Kids in America" peaked at #25 in the US, and failed to break through in lots of markets, including mine. I never heard it on the radio until the late '80s, when the '80s That Never Really Was nostalgia machine was already getting underway. Of course, getting to #25 puts "Kids in America" way ahead in radio/sales action of at least half of the stuff that gets played on "'80s Lunch" shows across the U.S. "Pretty in Pink" a hit single? "Love Will Tear Us Apart"? Yaz(oo)'s "Situation"? It is to jest. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:10:43 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: Kylie M. The Vicar is, IMHO, is one of the better (though occasionally hit-or-miss) shows to come out in the past ten years or so. We just watched the marriage episode a few weeks back. I had forgotten how good it could get, honestly. As far as Kylie goes, if you're not in the UK (or spent some time there in the past decade or so) there's no real reason why you *would* know her. - -f. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jill Brand > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:02 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Kylie M. > > > I had never heard of Kylie Minge until I saw an episode of > the Vicar of Dibley (a truly outstanding show) in which they > think that they are going to get Elton John to open the > county fair, but things go rather awry. Kylie Minogue shows > up to save the day. I didn't know who she was, but I figured > that she was some kind of pop icon. Does anyone else like that show? > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:37:21 -0800 From: Eb Subject: "Jersey Girl" commercials God...ANOTHER film trailer which recycles "Walking on Sunshine"? Amazing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "Jersey Girl" commercials On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Eb wrote: > God...ANOTHER film trailer which recycles "Walking on Sunshine"? > Amazing. I wonder if the theme to Edward Scissorhands is up to that many uses yet. That is the score to EVERY trailer for a film that does not yet have its own score. Seems like it, anyway. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:55:27 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Kylie M. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, FS Thomas wrote: > As far as Kylie goes, if you're not in the UK (or spent some time there > in the past decade or so) there's no real reason why you *would* know > her. Uh... I would think pretty much anywhere else in the english speaking world. She's Australian, after all, and huge worldwide. She's probably even bigger in many non-english-speaking nations than she is in the US. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:41:17 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Tinfoil Toths In front of me sits a copy of TT that has made it across the atlantic. A classy gold booklet protudes impertinently from the case. The cover is filled mostly with bold red and green strokes with four striking black lines over this field that add a degree of tension. The upper right hand corner is a calmer patch of blue containing a form composed of dark geen lines as if someone had attempted to form an ideograph from pond weed. In the top on the right is the very edge of a solid yellow shape outlined in red. Ok, so I haven't had a chance to play it yet but the booklet promises an electic mix. I am especially cuirous to hear Scott McCleary's piece, I have recently recieved the source code for a granular synthesis program that I am to do some hobbist work on. I've had a play around with it and got some weird stuff out but I can't imagine how someone would actually use it for real. Status Quo, not my cup of tea and I'm suprised they have sold quite so much. But they are embedded in the British musical psyche as the enduring purveyors of no nonsense denim clad twelve bar boogie, masters of the three chords trick. Fender issued Rossi and Parfitt signature telecasters last summer. Oh yeah and I work with a guy who has a copy of almost everything they have released including Spectres (pre name change) 45's, those gold 12" video disc things, betamax videos, uk and foreign pressings, re-pressings etc etc and he has both of the special edition telecasters. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:07:34 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Indie metal shoegazer macho vocal derby! - --On Mittwoch, 24. Mdrz 2004 19:37 Uhr -0800 Eb wrote: > I've seen Soundgarden. I wouldn't count that as a "traditional > heavy-metal show." I'm talking about an old-school, lighter-waving > Nugenty "HELLO Los Angeles!!"-type gig. And I really haven't seen > anything close to that. The Who?? Nah. I've been to an open air festival headlined by Deep Purple, with Johnny Winter, Meat Loaf and Mountain also in the line-up. And I've seen the Scorpions once, with Joan Jett & The Blackhearts opening ;-) Does that count? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:28:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #89 On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > Mickiegodwin! wrote: > >Last point: Did anyone see the very long Sid Griffin [et al] documentary > >about Gram Parsons? > From: "Bachman, Michael" > This is something I would love to see. I have been a Gram Parsons fan > since 1974 when I bought the Grievous Angel lp after reading the review > for it in Rolling Stone. I have Ben Fong-Torres book about Gram, > "Hickory Wind" as well Jason Walker's book "God's Own Singer". I never > knew about the Sid Griffin documentary. Memorable moments included Keith Richards describing how Gram would hang around with the Stones when he was supposed to be rehearsing with the Burritos. Eventually Jagger told Gram to stop wasting time and get back to work. Following this there was some extraordinary footage of Gram doing lots of Jagger moves on stage, very unconvincingly. Apparently the Burritos were the opening act at Altamont - I wonder if any footage exists. Chris Hillman recalled how Gram would often come on stage drunk and start singing the wrong song or the wrong time signature (3/4 instead of 4/4). Eventually he told Gram "You're fired". "You can't fire me, it's my band". "Well, you're fired anyway". Emmylou described how the Fallen Angels were a(nother) bunch of drunks who couldn't be bothered to organise beginnings and endings. Apparently she was the one who got them up to performance standard, although she was the youngest and newest recruit to the band. Details at: and on Sid Griffin's website at which states that it will be shown in the US on cable in May. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Burritos "Cody Cody" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Sonic Youth Vs. Kim Wilde in cage match to the pain!! With special guests The Jam Eb wrote: > > The other operative factor is how "non-big" Hart's > > drums sound... drums on LOOOUUDDD records always > > sound meatier than that, and it throws people. It > > was Hart's aesthetic, though... it persisted on the > > major label records > > This has always been my complaint about Steve Shelley. I > often wish Sonic Youth had a different drummer. Of course, they did for a while. Actually, I think Shelley is just about the perfect drummer for SY, since a louder drummer would probably end up competing for sonic space for Thurston and Lee (not to mention Kim and now, Jim). ===== Natalie Jane wrote: > >Goo and Daydream Nation are supposedly due for the > >deluxe treatment next. > > I know Goo is for sure, but I'm not sure about Daydream > Nation. I'm looking forward to the Goo reissue... not > because I especially want the reissue, but because > everyone will sell their old copies of Goo and I'll be > able to get a copy cheap (my own copy went missing some > time ago). When the SY website mentioned them originally, the three reissues were going ot come out all at once. Obviously, they changed plans, but those three originally were all going to be coming out. They may have changed their minds, but I would assume with Goo coming out this spring, that DN would then probably be early next year/spring 2005. Aren't used Goos pretty easy to come by anyways though? ===== Miles Goosens wrote: > I would pick "A Town Called Malice" as the most likely > highest-charting Jam single in the U.S.. That's not > saying much, though. I'm Googling for U.S. chart numbers > for the Jam, but have yet to turn them up. They needed a > more distinctive band name; "jam" lets in too much dross > (i.e., Jam/Lewis). :-) I looked it up in the Billboard book here at work, and The Jam never had a Top 100 single in the US. But if I had to guess, I'd probably say ATCM would most likely be the closest to have becoming one. ===== Miles Goosens wrote: > That's pretty accurate: not nearly Madonna, or even at > the sales level of Debbie Gibson or Tiffany, but having > one big hit put her way ahead of Kim Wilde. "Kids in > America" peaked at #25 in the US, and failed to break > through in lots of markets, including mine. I never > heard it on the radio until the late '80s, when the > '80s That Never Really Was nostalgia machine was already > getting underway. But "You Keep Me Hanging On" went number one in the Spring of 1987, so Kim Wilde has that over Kylie. > Of course, getting to #25 puts "Kids in America" way > ahead in radio/sales action of at least half of the stuff > that gets played on "'80s Lunch" shows across the > U.S. "Pretty in Pink" a hit single? "Love Will Tear Us > Apart"? Yaz(oo)'s "Situation"? It is to jest. Isn't nostalgia always about remember the past better than it was though? Would you rather hear Glass Tiger? ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #90 *******************************