From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #89 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 24 2004 Volume 13 : Number 089 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ha ha! [Marcy Tanter ] Re: ha ha! ["Jonathan Fetter" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #87 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du ["Eugene Hopstet] Re: top British sellers [Eb ] Re: SST vs. Sound Quality ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Ginn Again [Miles Goosens ] Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du [Miles Goosens <] Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du [Eb ] Re: Ginn Again ["Fortissimo" ] Re: top British sellers [Miles Goosens ] I wanna destroy goo ["Natalie Jane" ] US/UK (U/SUK?) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Ginn Again [Capuchin ] Comment? [Eb ] Re: Ginn Again [Miles Goosens ] Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) [Miles Goosens ] Re: I wanna destroy goo [Capuchin ] Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) [Capuchin ] Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:25:36 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: ha ha! http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/24/film.brian.reut/ Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Director of Sophomore English Department of English and Languages Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76402 (254) 968-9892 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:33:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: ha ha! We-welease Bwian! > http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/24/film.brian.reut/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:46:19 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V13 #87 Mickiegodwin! wrote: >Last point: Did anyone see the very long Sid Griffin [et al] documentary >about Gram Parsons? They interviewed everyone, including Chris Hillman, >Chris Ethridge, Keith Richards, Miss Pamela and Gram's sister and >daughter. Really good, but as always with rockdocs I would have liked to >see the Burritos playing the whole of "Hot Burrito #1" uninterrupted, >rather than just a clipette. Is there anywhere I can buy a VHS video of >the Burritos performing in those idiotic floral suits? This is something I would love to see. I have been a Gram Parsons fan since 1974 when I bought the Grievous Angel lp after reading the review for it in Rolling Stone. I have Ben Fong-Torres book about Gram, "Hickory Wind" as well Jason Walker's book "God's Own Singer". I never knew about the Sid Griffin documentary. I just finished reading the Francis Paudras book on Bud Powell, "Dance of the Infidels". This book and true story of how Francis befriended Bud in Paris ended up as being the basis for the movie and Dexter Gordon's character "Round Midnight". Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:49:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ginn Again Miles: >>Isn't that largely a function of crappy SST CD mastering jobs? I don't remember any >>particular deficiencies with the vinyl -- and since I got my first CD player in '87, I had >>vinyl copies of all the Husker Du SST stuff. Yes, I shoulda specified the CD pressings. Even so, live, we're talking about the kind of volume that you can't, like, sing over top of in a normal voice, which comes through on some tracks more than others. The other operative factor is how "non-big" Hart's drums sound... drums on LOOOUUDDD records always sound meatier than that, and it throws people. It was Hart's aesthetic, though... it persisted on the major label records and the Posies even alluded to it in their song named after the guy ("paper drums and shredded paper voice"). I wish I knew what was gonna happen with that SST stuff. The Meat Puppets eventually got reissued... Ryko, right? And Mould was even *on* Ryko for a while. And Geffen redid Sonic Youth's Sister at some point. So it happens... Maybe it's just Greg Ginn's cranky attitude, but why he wants his legacy to remain crappy-sounding I dunno. Crappy-looking, too. I'd think a deluxe rollout of all the Husker, Black Flag, minutemen, etc. etc. etc. would net more interest than a lot of recent reissues just based on how influential those bands are. Which would line Ginn's pockets and bankroll... like... whatever it is he does now, without being any more sell-out-ish than peddling *seriously* subpar editions of classic albums. But then, I think a lot of things. >>In 2002, I was trying to get all the Huskers stuff that I didn't yet have on CD, and had to >>scrounge around (not just in Nashville, but on road trips to big places like Chicago, not >>to mention online) to find the couple I needed. 'Course in LA we actually had an SST "Superstore" for a few years in the late '90's. Nothing but the SST catalog in stock. See SY's "Screaming Skull" for details... yes, you could goooo there... for Pat Smear. >>Speaking of Dinosaur Jr., I've only recently come to realize that J. Mascis is to blame for a lot >>of the suckage of indie rock in the '90s, even if I like his own stuff O.K. Because he made guitar wankery okay again? Maybe you mean something else, but I think he takes a bit too much heat for that... his playing is a lot weirder and more interesting than most of the guys whose hair-bands "went alternative". Although I'll admit that it had a lot more novelty value when he first started and I'm not dead certain it would catch my ear if I heard it for the first time today. Ummmm... what Replacements reissues? From whom and with what upgrades? Eb on SY: >>The debut EP has never been available on CD, as far as I know. It actually has... I think I got my copy at the aforementioned SST Superstore, although I'm sure you can order it off of one of those folded-up flyers with the tiny print in every SST release, if we're still willing to patronize Ginn... sounds like most of us would just as soon do a home-invasion at his place and anonymously mail his master tapes to Rhino... - -Rex, being mostly redundant; delete key broken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:57:04 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du > From: "Rex.Broome" > Subject: If it's not loud enough, you're too old (?) > > While I have a deep affection for those old recordings, it is > asmittedly well nigh impossible to play them for someone who's never > heard them before and convince them that the band was so damned loud > that Miller was practically deaf at the end of their, what, four year > run? See also: Husker Du's SST albums... I never did see the Du live (I know, that's a goofy sentence. I wrote it to annoy Ken -- maybe it's like saying "Frisco" when you live in San Francisco), but I did see Dinosaur, Jr. in a small club (Jimmy's, in New Orleans) and they were un-fargin-believably loud. Louder still was My Bloody Valentine at Liberty Lunch, Austin, TX, in 1992 or so. The bass and midrange was so loud I was convinced I hovered above the floor for about 15 minutes. Skinny Puppy in 1986 made quite a racket, too. Those analog synths made for much more visceral sound waves than Mascis's geetars at loud volume, I recall. I've seen a few noise outfits perform (The Haters, CCCC, Ron Lessard) and sound like that really made me feel just plain uncomfortable (like woozy) and exhilarated at the same time. I am glad I have always worn ear protection for the past 20 or so years of live music. Wish I'd have bought that first Dinosaur album. It'd be worth quite a pile of cash now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:59:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: top British sellers > What's curious to me as an American reader is the presence of artists > that would be nowhere near an American top sellers. Cliff Richard, for > (number) one. Cliff has always been the quintessential "UK act who never broke through in the States," hasn't he? Even though they're obviously superstars, I wouldn't have guessed Queen would rank that high. And yeah, Shakin Stevens and Kylie, whodathunkit? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:05:20 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: SST vs. Sound Quality > From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" > > I don't think SST itself has no such plans for that sort of thing. But > if Dino is moving to Ryko too could Husker Du be far behind? Let's > hope > so. Ginn and Spot have much to answer for the abysmal sound on most > SST > releases. Greg Ginn. Feh. The only band on SST's roster that truly deserves a Deluxe Boxset Reissue is Slovenly, and nobody even knows who they are. So I did it myself -- ripped all my mint Slovenly LPs to CD. I ain't waiting for Ginn to pull his head out of his asshole. Another thing to consider WRT to CD reissues is the remix or mastering. Which label is most likely to spend the cash for a good remastering? Many years ago Mike Watt complained to me about the CD issue of Double Nickles; he didn't like the CD mix. And every Deluxe Boxset Reissue of a Major Indie Band I've heard of, like the Jellyfish box, seems to have been no-noised to death and all the life sucked out of it. I've long believed that Ginn and Spot always cut costs on recording, mastering, pressing, the whole bit. Sure, it's part of the Punk Rock Aesthetic, hell, even Underwater Moonlight is a less than stellar recording, but Matador did a bang-up job on the reissue. But that Donner Party retrospective was pretty dandy. Other than the Meat Puppets reissues, who can name a good-sounding, quality CD reissue of an SST or indie band from the same period? Oh, the MBV LP reissues that just came out are really, really good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:15:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Ginn Again At 11:49 AM 3/24/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Miles: >>>Speaking of Dinosaur Jr., I've only recently come to realize that J. >Mascis is to blame for a lot >>>of the suckage of indie rock in the '90s, even if I like his own stuff O.K. > >Because he made guitar wankery okay again? Maybe you mean something else, >but I think he takes a bit too much heat for that... I did mean something else. A lot of indie-rock in the '90s has that aesthetic of the lead vocals being sort of weak/quavery and down in the mix behind the fuzzy guitar attack, almost mixed exactly like Mascis and co. did it. A lot of the "shoegaze" bands, contemporaries of Dinosaur Jr.'s popularity, had it too, and somewhere along the way it merged and created a whole generation of weak, even wispy, vocalists. Some of it is good, healthy anti-rock-star-ego-trip stuff, sure, but for me, the returns are increasingly dull, and I'm learning just how much I subconsciously valued strong, distinctive vocal work. Come to think of it, these vocalists may well have been the mush-mouthed college radio DJs of the late '80s and early '90s who spun Dino Jr. and MBV in the first place. :-) (College DJs who can't freakin' talk clearly are *huge* pet peeve of mine - sorry Gene. There are still at least a half-dozen songs I heard on college radio that I'd love to have, but the lyric snippets I remember are Google-resistant, and the DJs either never said or unintelligibly mumbled the artist name and song title, so I'm doomed never to know them...) >Ummmm... what Replacements reissues? From whom and with what upgrades? Where the heck have you people been? They've been out since September 2002, for gosh sakes. No bonus tracks or super-deluxe double-disc editions, but a much-needed sonic upgrade of the regular Twin/Tone stuff - STINK, SORRY MA, HOOTENANNY, LET IT BE. They're on the Restless imprint this time. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:17:45 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du At 01:57 PM 3/24/2004 -0600, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >Wish I'd have bought that first Dinosaur album. It'd be worth quite a >pile of cash now. Really? The one before they were forced to add "Jr." to the name? I've got it on vinyl, back at my mom's house. Haven't played it in years. What's it going for? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:18:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: If it's not loud enough, you're too old to Do the Du > Wish I'd have bought that first Dinosaur album. It'd be worth quite a > pile of cash now. > The Homestead album? I don't think it's ALL that valuable.... I bought a good-shape vinyl copy at a swapmeet for $10 or $12, a few years back.... Loud shows depend a bit on your seating, of course -- I can remember really having my ears really ring after a *Jazz Butcher* show, only because I was sitting right in front of the stage near a monitor speaker. Otherwise, yeah, the Dinosaur Jr. shows and my second My Bloody Valentine show certainly rank up there with the loudest concerts I've seen. The Butthole Surfers were pretty loud at times, too. I distinctly recall seeing a pivotal Butthole Surfers-led bill at the Variety Arts Center circa 1987, and thinking, OK, I always need to wear earplugs from now on. And I did. Of course, I don't like an awful lot of superloud, monolithic music, so my yardstick may be skewed. After all, I haven't seen even *one* traditional heavy-metal show. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:23:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ginn Again > The other operative factor is how "non-big" Hart's drums sound... > drums on LOOOUUDDD records always sound meatier than that, and it > throws people. It was Hart's aesthetic, though... it persisted on the > major label records This has always been my complaint about Steve Shelley. I often wish Sonic Youth had a different drummer. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:24:19 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Ginn Again On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:15:28 -0600, "Miles Goosens" said: > At 11:49 AM 3/24/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: > >Miles: > >>>Speaking of Dinosaur Jr., I've only recently come to realize that J. > >Mascis is to blame for a lot > >>>of the suckage of indie rock in the '90s, even if I like his own stuff O.K. > I did mean something else. A lot of indie-rock in the '90s has that > aesthetic of the lead vocals being sort of weak/quavery and down in the > mix behind the fuzzy guitar attack, almost mixed exactly like Mascis and > co. did it. There's that - but also, his lyrics pretty well epitomized the whole lame-ass "slacker" thing. I mean, just look at his titles (I'm not; I'm making them up): "Whatever." "If You Want." "Dude That Is So Uncool." Etc. A lot of the "shoegaze" bands, contemporaries of Dinosaur > Jr.'s popularity, had it too, and somewhere along the way it merged and > created a whole generation of weak, even wispy, vocalists. Not sure about that. There tend to be two kinds of shoegazey vocals: you got yr MBV-style and you got yr Cocteau Twins femme style. (Actually MBV blended the two by dubbing Shields' and Butcher's vocals so many times you couldn't tell who was singing half the time.) The MBV variety tend to be lower in the mix, but I'm so sure about the rest of your description. And anyway, I'll take that over your vowel-mangling, ubermacho, Vedderesque yarling, thank you very much. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:31:55 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: top British sellers At 07:31 AM 3/24/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >(number) one. Going down the list, I suspect most Americans' reaction to >the name "Shakin' Stevens" would be, "who?" - and they'd be surprised to >see Kylie Minogue's name so high (she's really only broken through here >in the last couple of years, as far as I can tell). "The Locomotion" was a big hit for her here in the US, back in '87. But whereas she was a star in the rest of the world pretty much continuously since the acting roles of her childhood, "The Locomotion" was it for Kylie in the States until "Can't Get You Out of My Head." Heck, LIGHT YEARS *still* hasn't had a U.S. release, and I'm not even sure if KYLIE MINOGUE and IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS did. (Yes, I like Kylie quite a bit, particularly since she escaped the clutches of Stock/Aitken/Waterman.) And the Status Quo? >If we could name "Pictures of Matchstick Men," that'd be about it. > >UB40 (one-hit wonders) Two at least: "Red Red Wine" and "I Got You, Babe." Still, bigger in the U.K., sure. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:32:31 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: I wanna destroy goo >Speaking of Dinosaur Jr., I've only recently come to realize that J. Mascis >is to blame for a lot of the >suckage of indie rock in the '90s Toss-up between him and Malkmus/Pavement, I would say. Oddly, I am still really enjoying the new Preston School of Industry record. >Goo and Daydream Nation are supposedly due for the deluxe >treatment next. I know Goo is for sure, but I'm not sure about Daydream Nation. I'm looking forward to the Goo reissue... not because I especially want the reissue, but because everyone will sell their old copies of Goo and I'll be able to get a copy cheap (my own copy went missing some time ago). The Uncle Tupelo and Television reissues had the same beneficial effect. Speaking of which, I reckon at least some of you have heard Uncle Tupelo's rather dull rendition of "I Wanna Destroy You"... I just heard another live version that they did (under the band name Coffee Creek) which is much different, very alt-countrified and slow, and was somewhat entertaining but totally missed the point of the song. Just thought I'd mention it... n. np: Jeff Tweedy and Jim O'Rourke destroying a T. Rex song _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:37:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: US/UK (U/SUK?) Jeffey: >>What's curious to me as an American reader is the presence of artists >>that would be nowhere near an American top sellers. Cliff Richard, for >>(number) one. Going down the list, I suspect most Americans' reaction to >>the name "Shakin' Stevens" would be, "who?" - It may be a reflection of my knowing too much about British music but I expected *more* disparity... and most of the departures were for people like Richards whom I know to be huge over the pond. >>and they'd be surprised to see Kylie Minogue's name so high (she's really only broken >>through here in the last couple of years, as far as I can tell). I actually think of her as an '80's throwback still; she had a kind of sub-Madonna, uber-Kim Wylde size career in the late '80's as I recall it. Her Nick Cave duet was along the "whaaaa?" lines of Debbie Gibson joining the Circle Jerks on "I Wanna Destroy You" in my memory. >>And the Status Quo? >>If we could name "Pictures of Matchstick Men," that'd be about it. Yeah, we come out ahead on that one. >>UB40 (one-hit wonders) Barely that... >>The Jam (too bad) Yeah, they sounds incongruous on a list of "hitmakers" from a US perspective. Madness, too, at least nestled right under the Police. In US terms the even the Clash must have sure outcharted either of those acts. Again I bemoan the lack of readily publicly accessible sales figures for sub-gold artists... I figure catalog sales are a truer indication of an act's impact, and it would be interesting to see if, at this point, say, the Pixies have outsold Frankie Goes to Hollywood, or if Gram Parsons is gaining on Jim Croce. As it stands now there's not even enough information to speculate. And you know, if the figures were readily available, I would probably care less. Anyway, flipping the equation around, it looks like US mainstream R&B and Hip Hop have made fewer inroads into the UK charts than I would've guessed, but that's the only thing I'm noticing right away. Oh, and no Garth Brooks. Here's something based on US *album* sales for (very) rough comparison: http://www.neosoul.com/riaa/artists/ - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Ginn Again On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:15:28 -0600, "Miles Goosens" > said: > > A lot of the "shoegaze" bands, contemporaries of Dinosaur Jr.'s > > popularity, had it too, and somewhere along the way it merged and > > created a whole generation of weak, even wispy, vocalists. > > Not sure about that. There tend to be two kinds of shoegazey vocals: you > got yr MBV-style and you got yr Cocteau Twins femme style. (Actually MBV > blended the two by dubbing Shields' and Butcher's vocals so many times > you couldn't tell who was singing half the time.) The MBV variety tend > to be lower in the mix, but I'm so sure about the rest of your > description. And anyway, I'll take that over your vowel-mangling, > ubermacho, Vedderesque yarling, thank you very much. Low-mixed vocals have their place... on particular tracks. But when a whole album (or worse, an artists' entire output) is mixed that way, I usually won't bother with any of it. And that's very similar, in my book, the "Vedderesque yarling". Enunciate, for fuck's sake! At the moment, I'm really happy with your Mangum/Meloy open-mouth vowels/good diction stylee. But I think it might get real grating if there are too many imitators. (It's possible that Colin is imitating Jeff, but it seems unlikely to me, knowing how the guy talks.) And for the exception that proves the rule, R.E.M. really started to suck at about the same time the vocals came forward. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:55:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Comment? I see something online about an unreleased Robyn song called "Dr. Lucy," which is supposedly an "accidental" ripoff of the Beatles' "I'll Get You"? I'm not familiar with it. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:57:55 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Ginn Again At 02:24 PM 3/24/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >There's that - but also, his lyrics pretty well epitomized the whole >lame-ass "slacker" thing. I mean, just look at his titles (I'm not; I'm >making them up): "Whatever." "If You Want." "Dude That Is So Uncool." >Etc. He at least was in there early with that. :-) > A lot of the "shoegaze" bands, contemporaries of Dinosaur >> Jr.'s popularity, had it too, and somewhere along the way it merged and >> created a whole generation of weak, even wispy, vocalists. > >Not sure about that. There tend to be two kinds of shoegazey vocals: you >got yr MBV-style and you got yr Cocteau Twins femme style. (Actually MBV >blended the two by dubbing Shields' and Butcher's vocals so many times >you couldn't tell who was singing half the time.) The MBV variety tend to >be lower in the mix, but I'm so sure about the rest of your description. Can't a guy drop a little generalization every now and then? We've been over the limitations of the "shoegaze" term, and sure, there were even bands that got put under that umbrella who had strong vocals (Kitchens of Distinction), but I still don't feel like I'm out of order to say that "wispy," "back-of-the-mix," "ethereal," etc., were adjectives that oft applied to "shoegaze" vocal stylings. >And anyway, I'll take that over your vowel-mangling, ubermacho, >Vedderesque yarling, thank you very much. That's very indie-pop of you to say. :-) Plus, it's hardly an either/or choice between "wispy/weak" and "vowel-mangling ubermacho." Lots of good stuff to be had in between. Besides, here's what I said: >Some of it is good, healthy anti-rock-star-ego-trip stuff, sure, but for me, >the returns are increasingly dull, and I'm learning just how much I >subconsciously valued strong, distinctive vocal work. Being the seventeenth Eddie Vedder clone on the charts in 1996 isn't distinctive. :-) If I haven't said it here, I've said it somewhere: When Pearl Jam first arrived, I thought that Vedder's singing was *very* distinctive, even though I knew that the hard-rock averse would wince. But who'd-a-thunk it was *that* easy to imitate? Oh, also on the c. 1989 weak vocal tip: the Stone Roses. I'm convinced that the second biggest factor in me not liking them (besides "I Wanna Be Adored" being a superlative but completely misleading introduction to the band) is Ian Brown's vocals, which for me are a total snoozerama. A more charismatic voice would have done a lot to keep me engaged with the material. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:06:36 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) At 12:37 PM 3/24/2004 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >>I actually think of her as an '80's throwback still; she had a kind of >sub-Madonna, uber-Kim Wylde size career in the late '80's as I recall it. >Her Nick Cave duet was along the "whaaaa?" lines of Debbie Gibson joining >the Circle Jerks on "I Wanna Destroy You" in my memory. Whereas for me, Kylie has scientifically eliminated the need for Madonna. Better music, better looks, better dancer, minus the lame-ass pretension and "importance" that Madonna brings to each of her derivative, lame-o projects. And Kylie's IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS, if you aren't totally dance-averse, is really good stuff, with some darkness, deeper lyrics, and meaner, tougher beats than you'd ever expect. >>>UB40 (one-hit wonders) > >Barely that... Again, I count two, and they were pretty sizable, I thought. "Red Red Wine" in particular seemed ubiquitous during its unwelcome chart stay. >>>The Jam (too bad) > >Yeah, they sounds incongruous on a list of "hitmakers" from a US >perspective. Madness, too, at least nestled right under the Police. In US >terms the even the Clash must have sure outcharted either of those acts. By a wide margin - "Train in Vain" skirted the lower reaches of the top 40, and "Rock the Casbah" and "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" were bona-fide radio hits. I don't think the Jam ever threatened to crack the top 100 U.S. singles. Madness had "Our House," which was a genuine chart topper, but nothing else. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:04:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: I wanna destroy goo On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Natalie Jane wrote: > Speaking of which, I reckon at least some of you have heard Uncle > Tupelo's rather dull rendition of "I Wanna Destroy You"... I just heard > another live version that they did (under the band name Coffee Creek) > which is much different, very alt-countrified and slow, and was somewhat > entertaining but totally missed the point of the song. This might be the ONLY version of theirs I've heard. What's the other like? I've got these covers of that song: Circle Jerks (w/ Debbie Gibson) Goo Goo Dolls The Replacements Uncle Tupelo With the exception of Uncle Tupelo, they're all pretty pointless covers (I call a cover pointless if there's not some interesting re-imagining of the song)... especially Goo Goo Dolls, which almost ruins the whole song forever. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > By a wide margin - "Train in Vain" skirted the lower reaches of the top > 40, and "Rock the Casbah" and "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" were > bona-fide radio hits. Every great band should be shot Before they make their Combat Rock > I don't think the Jam ever threatened to crack the top 100 U.S. singles. > Madness had "Our House," which was a genuine chart topper, but nothing > else. I distinctly remember hearing House of Fun on the radio quite a bit in those days. But I don't think radio was every very friendly to that style in the U.S. I'd be stunned the album "Madness" hasn't sold as well in the States as pretty much any Kylie release. That thing is just everywhere. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:36:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: US/UK (U/SUK?) At 01:16 PM 3/24/2004 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >Every great band should be shot >Before they make their Combat Rock I knew someone would quote that. To me, COMBAT ROCK is lesser, but not *that* much lesser. Four stars instead of five. Now, CUT THE CRAP, that's a shooting offense. >I'd be stunned the album "Madness" hasn't sold as well in the States as >pretty much any Kylie release. That thing is just everywhere. Dude, you so live in your own lil' world. :-) Madness hasn't had a single gold album in the U.S., not even THE RISE AND FALL OF... from whence "Our House" came. Whereas Kylie's has two: KYLIE, the '88 album with "The Locomotion" (not that I'm making any claims for it, but we are talking sales here), and FEVER, which went platinum in late 2002. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #89 *******************************