From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #71 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 8 2004 Volume 13 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the incompetance started when? [The Great Quail ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: the incompetence started when? [] Re: reap [Miles Goosens ] Re: reap [Jeff Dwarf ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #70 [grutness@surf4nix.com] New email, looking for work, latest on feg album [Luther Wills-Dudich ] Re: Kinky for Governor [steve ] Re: the incompetance started when? [Eb ] wtf? Slide show? (0% robyn) [Mike Swedene ] Re: the incompetance started when? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: the incompetance started when? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the incompetance started when? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Robyn in the news ["Jay Lyall" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:26:49 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: the incompetance started when? Greg writes, > God must have been really thick back > then. I > mean, he had to walk through the garden looking for the two shits and calling > out > to them Here's a Chris Gross-brand "infobit" for you, something I suspect you probably already know, but I think it's cool enough to repeat.... Most Biblical scholars recognize three distinct sources for Genesis, the Book of J, the Book of E, and the Book of P. The Book of J (The J stands for Jaweh) is considered the oldest, and involves the Garden of Eden story. It is believed to be older because of essentially that very reason -- God is obviously less than all-powerful and all-knowing, and the overall sense is mythic, even primitive. This has lead some modern scholars to believe that the author was probably working in a literary tradition, as opposed to a strictly religious one -- sort of an early Hebrew Milton. Some scholars also opine that the Book of J was authored by a woman. The other main strand is the Book of P, which details the "Seven Days" Creation story. This is considered to be more "sophisticated," as it works on a more allegorical level, and involves a more refined concept of an all-powerful deity. And for Biblical Trainspotters, there are several inconsistencies between the texts, the main one being the order in which God created humans. Oh, and I saw "The Passion of the Christ." While I did not find it anti-Semitic, it was not exactly as historical as Mel claims. Overall, I did like it, though I was disturbed less by the violence than by the way Mel *fetishized* the violence. A very odd man, Mr. Gibson.... - --Quailzach ben Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:38:21 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Tooker Gomberg, 48 (Candian activist: ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:32:50 -0500 From: Subject: Re: the incompetence started when? [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:26 , The Great Quail quail@libyrinth.com> sent: >....This has lead some modern scholars to believe that the author was probably >working in a literary tradition, as opposed to a strictly religious one -- sort >of an early Hebrew Milton. ooh, you better watch that tongue in some circles. Not this one of course. Though last time I talked shit about the invisible friend at number of people unsubscribed. Three of those sent me a note explaining why. None of these where friendly explanations mind you. A few others wrote me saying they were putting my address in their filter list to automatically delete any notes coming from my address. I suggested using two filters in-line to help ensure the purity of the data. My point being no point except, you folks as previously mentioned, should update your filter to include my new address. You see, while the first thing on my to-do list is still to help eliminate all democrats and republicans from ever again holding an elected or appointed position in the government. The second item is to push for a constitutional amendment banning all religious display in public. Kinda like the French are working towards. Shit, I was trying not to say anything about the French again. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: reap Stewart Russell: >Tooker Gomberg, 48 >(Candian activist Who among us didn't think "Hobbit"? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap Miles Goosens wrote: > Stewart Russell: > >Tooker Gomberg, 48 > >(Candian activist > > Who among us didn't think "Hobbit"? nw: Scrooged ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap John Henry Williams, not exactly the best son ever to tend to his father's dying days. Hopefully, they'll drop his head few times too. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:53:35 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #70 TinyJeff wrote: >grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > > Also, for some reason, many websites allow you to >> > sign in as bselig(@mlb.com or @bselig.com) with the >> > password bselig. The reason for this is undetermined. >> > >> >Now THAT is useful information. >> >> I wonder if that particular piece of software was written >> by someone called Giles B. Something-or-other... > >It's not a piece of software, just a series of individuals >who have registered on several websites with that info >(many of which have, alas, caught on and deleted that >"account"), and letting people know about it. In honor of >the commissioner of baseball, Allan H. "Bud" Selig, a >former used car salesman from Milwaukee and the owner of >the Milwaukee Brewers, and the leader of Major League >Baseball's antimarketing campaign of the past several >years. > >When I said it was undetermined, I was stabbing a hole in >my cheek with my tongue. Sorry that wasn't clear. well, he's not exactly a household name, so it's no surprise that I'd never heard of him. In fact, if you'd said the name "Bud Selig" to me, I wouldn't have had a clue who he was. Then again, I wouldn't have known who the Milwaukee Brewers are either. James (Baseball - that's like rounders, isn't it?) PS _ congratulations to the USA for qualifying for the ICC's next big cricket tournament! - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Wills-Dudich Subject: New email, looking for work, latest on feg album Fellow fegs- Anyone wanting to contact me may do so now at mailto:lwillsdudich@yahoo.com I was called into our office managers office at 12 noon thursday and told I was being let go. So, Anybody in the DC area got any leads in the renewables/efficiency business or on capitol hill, or willing to help a guy out with some web consulting work? :) I also missed further e-mail talk about the Feg album Rex broome was doing. Is that out yet? In addition to losing a job that I really loved for 5 years, I also lost all my emails and address book. Also, Several people on here had emailed me with possible leads on ambient record labels for the Buddhist chant album I've been working on for my teacher. If people could please re-email me that info at this address, I would appreciate it greatly. Ironically, March 21st was supposed to be the reunion of Number Nine Line, the band I was in that did the cover of "Only the Stones Remain/ Freeze" off of the excellent "Glass Flesh 2" album. Not going to happen now. Thanks for anything!! - -Luther Wills-Dudich Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 22:10:25 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Kinky for Governor Kinky Friedman is standing for governor of Texas: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:50:40 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Kinky for Governor On Mar 7, 2004, at 9:10 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Kinky Friedman is standing for governor of Texas: > I knew he had to be good for something, I'm voting for him! My dog Sparky (mostly black lab) could be governor of Texas. We'd just have to figure out some random method for him to appoint people to commissions and veto or sign legislation. - - Steve __________ To be sure, the fatuous hypocrisy of the Bush case for war is no reason to let Saddam Hussein drop a nuclear bomb on your head. Iraq may be an imminent menace to the United States even though George W. Bush says it is. You would think that if honest and persuasive arguments were available, the administration would offer them. But maybe not. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:01:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the incompetance started when? >And for Biblical Trainspotters, there are several inconsistencies between >the texts, the main one being the order in which God created humans. How so? >Though last time I talked shit about the invisible friend at number of people >unsubscribed. Three of those sent me a note explaining why. None of >these where >friendly explanations mind you. A few others wrote me saying they were putting >my address in their filter list to automatically delete any notes >coming from my address. Wow. Creepy. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: wtf? Slide show? (0% robyn) I was watching eMpTyVee2 and low and behold they play these things called videos. After my initial shock, i thought what a great concept for a channel to play music videos all day and night to promote bands. I'll have to look into that and pool all my pennies together. anyways, I caught a song by The Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players. What an odd lot they are. I recomend them, they are fun like They Might Be Giants fun. anybody ever hear them before? I found this article on them: http://www.nyrock.com/conf/2003/fury30.asp#one mike np -> Police Hatfield Polytechnic Video from 2/24/79 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:26:29 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: the incompetance started when? On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:01:46 -0800, "Eb" said: > >And for Biblical Trainspotters, there are several inconsistencies between > >the texts, the main one being the order in which God created humans. > > How so? Gen. 1:20 has God creating "the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly," which is, according to Gen. 1:23, "the fifth day." Gen. 1:26 has God saying, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish" etc.; "So God created man in his own image...male and female created he them" (Gen. 1:27): all this was "the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). The very next chapter has an entirely different creation narrative: Gen. 2:4 describes "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," then describes vegetation first, then "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground" (Gen. 2:7). Several verses later, "the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him" (Gen. 2:18). Then - after the creation of man - Gen. 2:19 has the creation of animals, birds, etc. The creation of woman is separate from that of man, unlike in the first version, and is described in Gen. 2:21-23. Fundamentalist literalists have yet to provide any sort of reconciliation of these two that doesn't send their whole premise crashing to the ground. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 05:45:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the incompetance started when? Fortissimo wrote: > "Eb" said: > > >And for Biblical Trainspotters, there are several > > >inconsistencies between the texts, the main one being > > >the order in which God created humans. > > > > How so? [good summary of Gen 1:20,26,27,31 vs. Gen 2:4,7,18-19,21-23 deleted for length] > Fundamentalist literalists have yet to provide any sort > of reconciliation of these two that doesn't send their > whole premise crashing to the ground. Aren't fundamentalists literalists by definition in that fundamentalism is the idea that religious texts (Bible, Qu'ran, whatever) should be read literally rather than allegorically or metaphorically? ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:04:17 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: the incompetance started when? On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 05:45:48 -0800 (PST), "Jeff Dwarf" said: > > Fundamentalist literalists have yet to provide any sort > > of reconciliation of these two that doesn't send their > > whole premise crashing to the ground. > > Aren't fundamentalists literalists by definition in that > fundamentalism is the idea that religious texts (Bible, > Qu'ran, whatever) should be read literally rather than > allegorically or metaphorically? Probably so - but I was just making sure to be clear exactly which people I was referring to. I've gotten in trouble in the past when people think I'm talking about them when I'm not. I'm only talking about idiots right now. ;) Actually, I've always thought "literal" language is fundamentally (!) an incoherent concept: the language is ridden through with metaphor, and unless you're going to extirpate that aspect entirely (and good luck to you), metaphor inevitably opens the door to non-literal meaning. And of course that Solomon had one weirdly built lover - kind of like that one passage in _V._... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:30:46 -0600 From: "Jay Lyall" Subject: Re: Robyn in the news The forum is at 2:45 to 4 in Room 18 ABC - I'll be there and try to tape it, but last year the SXSW crew was pretty stiff about allowing cameras and recorders in the conference events, so don't hold your breath Cheers Jay - ---------------------------------------- Jay Lyall - Houston, Texas "Making people laugh is the lowest form of comedy." - Mike Donohue http://www.johnkerry.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Holden" To: ; "fegmaniax" ; Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: Robyn in the news > Sorry if this one has already been posted. It's one of the hazards of being > a digest member. Marc > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=769&e=4&u=/nm/20040306/music_nm/music_sxsw_dc > > BMI Has Its 'Way' at SXSW > > By Jim Bessman > NEW YORK (Billboard) - BMI, which is an original sponsor of the South by > Southwest Music Conference, will present a "Songwriters Way With Words" > panel March 18 at the Austin extravaganza. > > > > The panel will be moderated by writer/publisher relations Nashville VP Paul > Corbin. It will feature such songwriters as Robyn Hitchcock (news), Ron > Sexsmith (news) and Charlotte Martin. (Martin will also perform during an > invitation-only BMI songwriter brunch at SXSW.) > > > In other BMI news, the BMI Foundation -- which funds the creation, > performance and study of music through awards, scholarships, commissions and > grants -- has established the Peermusic Latin Scholarship for young > songwriters and composers. > > > The $5,000 scholarship will be funded by the Peermusic companies and awarded > annually through a competition for original Latin songs and instrumental > compositions. > > > Reuters/Billboard ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #71 *******************************