From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #69 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 6 2004 Volume 13 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- robyn at largo - april 24 [fingerpuppets ] Perverted by Language ["Rex.Broome" ] Holy cow [FSThomas ] Re: wow! Bagel stranglers! [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: The Arrogance Continues [grutness@surf4nix.com] What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 [Eb ] Re: The Arrogance Continues [steve ] The Amazing Mr. Kilgore [steve ] Re: The Arrogance Continues [Capuchin ] Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore ["Fortissimo" ] Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore [Capuchin ] Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) ["Fortissimo"] Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) [Jeff Dwarf <] Re: wow! Bagel stranglers! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Arrogance Continues [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) [Capuchin Subject: robyn at largo - april 24 just noticed that a date at largo on april 24th has been added to the upcoming gigs at the museum . the largo website , as of yet, does not have anything listed for that date. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:06:23 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Perverted by Language Stewart: >>I also got Delicatessen, which claims to be Region 2, yet it seems to play fine >>on my Linux box. Hmm. Cool... that's a must-have and a half. Matt: >>My mate James' band have supported the Fall on a number of occasions >>andhung out with MES and the old and new Fall bandmembers and I can >>report that Mr Smith is his stage persona in real life... scary... Beyond scary. Okay, I can't seem to get this to work, but maybe someone else can. I would suggest that all future incendiary political posts to fegmaniax! be run through this filter before they are sent, as all such arguements gain intrinsic entertainment value, and, potentially, extra coherence when imagined as two Mark E. Smiths ranting at each other across political lines... http://www.visi.com/fall/news/mes.html A potential bonus would be that, when combatants begin attacking each other, the quoted statements would go through the filter *twice*, rendering the quoted part doubly MES-ianic (AKA "the sixteen-lager Smith). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:18:22 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Holy cow Stewart jury returns guilty verdict Updated: 3:02 p.m. ET March 05, 2004 NEW YORK - The jury in the Martha Stewart trial has returned a guilty verdict, CNBC reported Friday. The reports cited law enforcement sources. Extra security was seen outside the Manhattan federal courthouse where the trial is being held. The jury has deliberated for three days in the case. The businesswoman is accused of obstruction of justice and lying to investigators about a perfectly timed stock sale. Stewart's former stockbroker, Peter Bacanovic, is also on trial. Earlier today, the judge told jurors they had enough evidence to warrant convicting Bacanovic on a perjury charge. Shares of Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia soared to 21-month highs Friday on apparent optimism about the impending outcome of the homemaking icon's obstruction-of-justice trial. Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia Inc. stock jumped $2.71 to $16.74 in afternoon trade on the New York Stock Exchange. That's its highest level since June 2002. Shares in the media and merchandising company have climbed more than 40 percent this year on optimism about the trial's outcome. But Martha Stewart Living has struggled during its founder's legal woes, with advertising pages in its flagship magazine sliding about 35 percent last year. The company, which announced its earnings Thursday, swung to a profit in the fourth quarter, but took a loss for the year. Many analysts believe the future of the company hinges on Stewart's trial, since her public image is tied so closely to the company's marketing efforts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:16:47 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: wow! Bagel stranglers! >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: wow! Bagel stranglers! > >One of my friends got this gem today (pardon if this trips anyone's >bayesian filters... hopefully you've whitelisted feg): > > it did! seem this new email package does its stuff! I tried a "never do this" trick last night, with intriguing results. The "never do this" part is that I repied to a spammer. I got one of those Nigerian scam-styled emails - one that says things like "praise the Lord that you are a friend in Christ who will help, blah blah blah" I simply replied "May the Prophet (peace be unto him) be with you", and signed it "Abdul Nawaz i'l Hajj". Today, I get a Nigerian scam-styled email couched in very similar terms, but calling on me as a brother in the faith of Islam to help launder money "much of which will go to the setting up of orphanages and the spreading of the words of the Prophet (peace be unto him)" At least they're hedging their bets - but they're gonna burn for that one one way or the other... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:21:50 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues >> "There is no bigger issue in this country than who is better prepared >> to deal with the realities that 9/11 created for this country." >Sentiment apart, am I the only one here who thinks that Terry Holt needs >some remedial grammar training? nope, you're not. As for the sentiment, don't I recall reading that the federal funding of Fire Departments has been reduced since "the event"? If so, then the word "hypocrite" falls easily from the lips. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:29:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 "The vibrator was only the fifth household device to be electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and toaster." Gosh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 How did they vibrate before electricity/batteries? Wind-up? Rubber band power? On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:29:37 -0800, Eb wrote : > "The vibrator was only the fifth household device to be electrified, > after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and toaster." > > Gosh. > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:41:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues ...and the idiocy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:22:21 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues On Mar 5, 2004, at 9:41 PM, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > ...and the idiocy. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html ...and the crime. - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:29:41 -0600 From: steve Subject: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore I've decided not to vote for Larry. I won't be voting in the Republican primary anyway, but I'm against this restitution stuff. - - Steve __________ Shortly after becoming Attorney General, John Ashcroft was headed abroad. An advance team showed up at the American embassy in the Hague to check out the digs, saw cats in residence, and got nervous. They were worried there might be a calico cat. No, they were told, no calicos. Visible relief. Their boss, they explained, believes calico cats are signs of the devil. - Andrew Tobias, 11/20/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > ...and the idiocy. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html Why would anyone WANT to read a newspaper whose web page says (with no other comment or disclaimer, mind you): REGISTER NOW. IT'S FREE AND IT'S REQUIRED. Do they really think they can just command people to do things? Fuck that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:41:54 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:29:41 -0600, "steve" said: > > > > I've decided not to vote for Larry. "Murders should be executed." Geez, Larry: just *any* murder? Are you really calling for random killings - you think that's a good idea? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:29:41 -0600, "steve" said: > > > > > > I've decided not to vote for Larry. > > "Murders should be executed." > > Geez, Larry: just *any* murder? Are you really calling for random > killings - you think that's a good idea? I was thinking the same thing. My other favorite was this one: "A 21 Billon dollar reduction [the result of dismantling public education] in taxes would provide the community many educational opportunities." Yeah. That's true. But I don't think anybody really wants to learn those lessons that way. But who the hell are these "Vote Smart" people, any way? Their stuff is so horribly slanted that a candidate can't possibly give answers that indicate views outside the very far right-wing (like, say, Republicans and Democrats). Dig this bit on welfare: Indicate which principles you support (if any) regarding welfare. a) Support increased work requirements for able-bodied welfare recipients. b) Increase funding for employment and job training programs for welfare recipients. c) Increase access to public transportation for welfare recipients who work. d) Support limiting benefits given to recipients if they have additional children while on welfare. e) Redirect welfare funding to faith-based and community-based private organizations. f) Use federal TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) funds to extend health and child care subsidies to the working poor. g) Support marriage promotion programs for welfare recipients. h) Eliminate government-funded welfare programs. i) Other or expanded principles So, if you're for anything but pushing welfare recipients back to work or taking away their means of support, you're in the "other" category. Hell, Senator Richard M. Nixon would be a radical lefty according to this survey because he encouraged increasing cash payments to people below the poverty line with recognition that the poor are usually poor because they CAN'T work and should be trusted to make their own decisions about their ability to contribute and change their situation. But increasing benefits for the unworking poor is just not a topic for public discourse. Nope. It's gotta be sending 'em out to work (to drive down wages) or cutting off their support... especially if they go and have kids (we wouldn't want those kids to grow up with food and clothing, now, would we?). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 23:40:24 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:38:44 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" said: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html > > Why would anyone WANT to read a newspaper whose web page says (with no > other comment or disclaimer, mind you): > > REGISTER NOW. IT'S FREE AND IT'S REQUIRED. > > Do they really think they can just command people to do things? > > Fuck that. Whoa. Children, step away. The monkey is angry right now - please put on the transparent plastic capes we gave you at the entrance. Anyway - what I always do is take the opportunity to lie gleefully and fuck up their inane marketing exercise. I figure, the more people who do that, the more they realize the data they gather is worthless, the less likely such obnoxiousness will be in the future. I only wish they'd allowed me to fill in my own job title ("Amateur Deity") and job field ("Aeronautical Aromatherapy"). I make $457,000,000,000,000,032.02 annually as a 103-year-old Albanian employee of The Semi-Assiduous ParaDynamiq LektroBlo Group! What I really can't imagine are the dutiful souls carefully checking off actual information just so they can read an article online - esp. when googling the web will find it here, in our archive: - ------------------------ Bush Ejects Two From Bioethics Council Changes Renew Criticism That the President Puts Politics Ahead of Science By Rick Weiss Wash Saturday, February 28, 2004; Page A06 President Bush yesterday dismissed two members of his handpicked Council on Bioethics -- a scientist and a moral philosopher who had been among the more outspoken advocates for research on human embryo cells. In their places he appointed three new members, including a doctor who has called for more religion in public life, a political scientist who has spoken out precisely against the research that the dismissed members supported, and another who has written about the immorality of abortion and the "threats of biotechnology." The turnover immediately renewed a recent string of accusations by scientists and others that Bush is increasingly allowing politics to trump science as he seeks advice on ethically contentious issues. Last week, a Washington-based interest group released a report detailing what it called many examples of the administration distorting the scientific process to achieve desired policy answers relating to pollution, embryo research and other topics. Some in Congress, led by Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), have also been getting vocal on the topic, as have academics, scientific organizations and science journal editors. One of the dismissed members, Elizabeth Blackburn, is a renowned biologist at the University of California at San Francisco. She said she received a call yesterday morning from someone in the White House personnel office. "He said the White House had decided to make some changes on the council. He wanted to express his gratitude and said I'd no longer be on the council," Blackburn said. She said she had no warning and had not heard from the council's director, University of Chicago ethicist Leon Kass. She said she believed she was let go because her political views do not match those of the president and of Kass, with whom she has often been at odds at council meetings. "I think this is Bush stacking the council with the compliant," Blackburn said. The other dismissed member, William May, an emeritus professor of ethics at Southern Methodist University, is a highly respected scholar whose views on embryo research and other topics had also run counter to those of conservative council members. Efforts to reach him last night were unsuccessful. Asked why Blackburn and May had been let go, White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said the two members' terms had expired in January, and they were on "holdover status." Asked whether, in fact, all the council members' terms had formally expired in January, she said they had. Pressed on why Blackburn and May had been singled out for dismissal, she said: "We've decided to go ahead and appoint other individuals with different expertise and experience." She would not elaborate further. Kass, who has written prolifically about biotechnology's toll on human dignity and was selected by Bush to head the council, was traveling yesterday and could not be reached. Bush created the council by executive order in 2001 to "advise the President on bioethical issues that may emerge as a consequence of advances in biomedical science and technology." He recently renewed its commission for another two years. The group of scholars, scientists, theologians and others has produced several reports, including ones on human cloning, stem cell research and the use of biotechnology to enhance human beings. But the council has often found it difficult to reach consensus on issues. The three new appointees are Benjamin Carson, the high-profile director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins University; Diana Schaub, chairman of the department of political science at Loyola College in Maryland; and Peter Lawler, a professor of government at Berry College in Georgia. All are respected members of their fields. And their writings suggest their tenures will be less contentious than their predecessors'. When not performing some of the most difficult surgeries in the world, Carson is a motivational speaker who often invokes religion and the Bible and has lamented that "we live in a nation where we can't talk about God in public." Schaub has effusively praised Kass and his work. In a 2002 public forum discussing the council's cloning report, she talked about research in which embryos are destroyed as "the evil of the willful destruction of innocent human life." In a book review in the conservative Weekly Standard in late 2002, Lawler warned that if the United States does not soon "become clear as a nation that abortion is wrong," then women will eventually be compelled to abort genetically defective babies. Michael Gazzaniga, a Dartmouth neuroscientist who sits on the council, said he was "upset" by Blackburn's ejection. "She was one of the basic scientists who understood the biology of many of the issues we're talking about," Gazzaniga said. "It will be a loss for sure." - --Research editor Margot Williams contributed to this report. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) Fortissimo wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html > > > > Why would anyone WANT to read a newspaper whose web > > page says (with no other comment or disclaimer, mind > > you): > > > > REGISTER NOW. IT'S FREE AND IT'S REQUIRED. > > > > Do they really think they can just command people to do > > things? > > > > Fuck that. > > Whoa. > > Children, step away. The monkey is angry right now - > please put on the transparent plastic capes we gave you > at the entrance. > > Anyway - what I always do is take the opportunity to lie > gleefully and fuck up their inane marketing exercise. I > figure, the more people who do that, the more they > realize the data they gather is worthless, the less > likely such obnoxiousness will be in the future. Exactly. Also, for some reason, many websites allow you to sign in as bselig(@mlb.com or @bselig.com) with the password bselig. The reason for this is undetermined. Or something. Or just have a dummy e-mail address to always use so you don't have to bother wading through any spam they'll try to send you. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: wow! Bagel stranglers! James Dignan wrote: > as for "wow", one thing no-one has mentioned... how > strong is the bond of motherhood? This woman could > recognise her child based on the memory of a > ten-day-old's smile. Now that really is a "wow!" The girl looks exactly like her mother. What I think is so amazing is that the mother was able to restrain herself and just take a few hair follicles for testing, and then go back for her daughter after confirming it was her. Most people would have been far too excited and freaked to have had any restraint in that situation. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues Tom Clark posted: > Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said the campaign will > not withdraw the ads. "There is no bigger issue in this > country than who is better prepared to deal with the > realities that 9/11 created for this country." Which is why they are working so hard to fight such terrorism related activities like gay marriage, Janet Jackson's nipples, and the underreported Ashcroft crusade against porn. There is something rather necrophiliac about using 9/11 footage in your campaign ad. But they aren't the perverts, no sirrrrrreeeebawb. > ------------------- > > In other words - "Fuck You if you don't like it. We've > got a campaign to win!" These guys make me puke. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 Jonathan Fetter wrote: > How did they vibrate before electricity/batteries? > Wind-up? Rubber band power? By hand? > Eb wrote : > > > "The vibrator was only the fifth household device to be > > electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle > > and toaster." > > > > Gosh. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:53:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: What I learned from the Internet today, pt. 692 >Jonathan Fetter wrote: >> How did they vibrate before electricity/batteries? > > Wind-up? Rubber band power? http://www.hereandthere.org/cards/graphics/1975-bicentennial-eggbeater.jpg Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 10:31:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore - -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 5. Mdrz 2004 21:03 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore: > Dig this bit on welfare: > > Indicate which principles you support (if any) regarding welfare. > > a) Support increased work requirements for able-bodied welfare recipients. > b) Increase funding for employment and job training programs for welfare > recipients. > c) Increase access to public transportation for welfare recipients who > work. > d) Support limiting benefits given to recipients if they have additional > children while on welfare. > e) Redirect welfare funding to faith-based and community-based private > organizations. > f) Use federal TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) funds to > extend health and child care subsidies to the working poor. > g) Support marriage promotion programs for welfare recipients. > h) Eliminate government-funded welfare programs. > i) Other or expanded principles > > So, if you're for anything but pushing welfare recipients back to work or > taking away their means of support, you're in the "other" category. > > Hell, Senator Richard M. Nixon would be a radical lefty according to this > survey because he encouraged increasing cash payments to people below the > poverty line with recognition that the poor are usually poor because they > CAN'T work and should be trusted to make their own decisions about their > ability to contribute and change their situation. > > But increasing benefits for the unworking poor is just not a topic for > public discourse. Nope. It's gotta be sending 'em out to work (to drive > down wages) or cutting off their support... especially if they go and have > kids (we wouldn't want those kids to grow up with food and clothing, now, > would we?). I'm with you to some degree, but I think you neglect the psychological ramifications. Like it or not, people draw self-esteem from their ability to work. I know from my own experience and from others how depressing it can be not to work. The reason isn't only an economical one, but mostly psychological. This may not be true for all people, but many people are happier with jobs than without. Even those who don't think so. So a little pressure may be necessary. I know that you will want to argue that they could occupy themselves with community activities and such like, jobs that aren't "gainful employment", and I'd be with you in principle, but that's just not how the world works right now. And if you want to talk utopia, I think it's perfectly OK to put that in the "other" category. So: I'm all for increasing benefits for people who can't work, but on the other hand I'd like to see more job training programs and motivational programs for those who could but don't. Add to that reasonable minimum wages, of course. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Amazing Mr. Kilgore On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'm with you to some degree, but I think you neglect the psychological > ramifications. Like it or not, people draw self-esteem from their > ability to work. [snip] I didn't mean to argue for a particular viewpoint, simply to show how the political debate is narrowed even by the self-professeded "objective" reporters. > I know that you will want to argue that they could occupy themselves > with community activities and such like, jobs that aren't "gainful > employment", and I'd be with you in principle, but that's just not how > the world works right now. Progressive politics are all about making things different than the way they are right now. The focus on "how the world works right now" is exactly what makes American politics so fucking conservative. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Arrogance Continues (now, with new Monkey content!) On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Fortissimo wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13606-2004Feb27.html > > > > > > Why would anyone WANT to read a newspaper whose web page says (with > > > no other comment or disclaimer, mind you): > > > > > > REGISTER NOW. IT'S FREE AND IT'S REQUIRED. > > > > > > Do they really think they can just command people to do things? > > > > > > Fuck that. > > > > Anyway - what I always do is take the opportunity to lie gleefully and > > fuck up their inane marketing exercise. I figure, the more people who > > do that, the more they realize the data they gather is worthless, the > > less likely such obnoxiousness will be in the future. > > Exactly. Actually, I don't think they care so much about whether or not the information they have about your name, occupation, and income are all that accurate (they probably use the income information to set their advertising rates, but that's about it). Mostly, they're using your particular login information to track the articles you read. You're helping them so long as you're using a unique login. > Also, for some reason, many websites allow you to sign in as > bselig(@mlb.com or @bselig.com) with the password bselig. The reason for > this is undetermined. Now THAT is useful information. Subverting the system by creating public sign-on information is probably the most effective way to tell them that it's useless to hide the information (in addition to posting their data publicly, but sharing information is becoming more criminal every day). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #69 *******************************