From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #66 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 13 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #64 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: regarding top QoL cities [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Wow [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: random Google/blast from our past ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! ["Eugene Hopstett] RE: Wow [Marcy Tanter ] RE: Wonder Falls ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: Wow ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Wow [] Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! [] Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! ["Fortissimo" ] Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! [] RE: Virusmaniax! [Marcy Tanter ] RE: Virusmaniax! ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: Wow [steve ] RE: Virusmaniax! ["Fortissimo" ] Hello Portland! [Tom Clark ] Re: Recent discoveries... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Austin [fingerpuppets ] no magnetic memories [Miles Goosens ] RE: Virusmaniax! [Miles Goosens ] Robyn turns 51 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Hello Portland! [Capuchin ] Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:21:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #64 > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:57:38 +0000 > From: "Matt Sewell" > Subject: Re: Dead fish aren't much fun > > You don't have that Scottish thing where Jameses are so numerous that > they tend to be known by their middle names - frinstance my mate Al, > whose real name is James Alexander... I've got a feeling this might be > true of Michael Stipe, though I've no idea why... > Cheers > Matt What's that gag about the Welsh village where all the people are called Jones? Jones the Vet, Jones the Post, Jones the Farm etc. A man comes into town, goes into the Post Office, looks round furtively and says something like "It is a wet bird that flies at night". "Ah", replies Jones the Post, "that's not me, boyo. You'll be wanting Jones the Spy". - - Mike Godwin PS to woj: I went to see Alan Garner talking about his new book Thursbitch yesterday. He was brilliant - can't wait to read it. Macclesfield, bull cults, silk roads, Dionysos, unexplained 18th century deaths, unconsecrated chapels and a valley of the demon - nice! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:27:02 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: regarding top QoL cities On Mar 3, 2004, at 12:44 AM, James Dignan wrote: >> I was asked to forward this message from a feisty ex-Feglister who >> wished to speak up on the issue of Auckland.... Eb > > yup - she emailed me about it directly as well. She couldn't resist bringing it up over on Costello-L either. *sigh* "feisty" is an understatement... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 06:43:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wow Fortissimo wrote: > "Unfortunate position"? Steve, we're talking about > forcibly taking a six-year-old girl from her mother, No, we are liberating a six-year-old from a sociopath who kidnapped her and set a fire to cover her crime. We're not talking about an innocent mistake like the two girls who were inadvertantly switched by a Florida hospital a few years back; we're talking about a criminal thug who stole six years of this child's life and memories with her family from her. > and "unfortunate position" is queasily euphemistic. I'm > omitting the quotes this time, because from the child's > perspective (and, presuming again no abuse, viewing > mothering as practice) that's exactly what's happening. Stealing the child from her family is itself a gross act of abuse. And the sort of person who would steal a child from her family is only slightly less likely to continue abusing a child than a member of NAMBLA. [snip] > Finally: one does have to ask, if a woman is capable of > arson, kidnapping, and inflicting the associated trauma > of an apparently dead child, all to feed a grossly > overblown need to be a mother, how likely is it that > she's stable enough to raise a child well? And yes, > legally, and ethically, she should be punished. Exactly. There is no chance on Earth that the sort of woman who would commit this crime isn't going at the very least be extraordinarily psychological abusive of her daughter. I have not kids, and I'm not terribly sure that I really care if I ever do or not. But I can think of very few things that a individual can do much worse than this. She isn't Jeffrey Dahmer or Timothy McVeigh or Lawrence Singleton (some of you may have to google that last one). But when the only mitagating circumstance in her defense is that she didn't kill the girl after stealing her, well, lock the evil motherfucker up and let her out when she's dead. > The reason I described it as a "fucked-up situation" is > that there are no easy answers. > > Actually, by blithely asserting that the kidnapper should > go to prison, you highlight a serious problem with > prevailing judicial policy: if we consider it wrong to > harm innocent people - for example, to deprive a > mother of her daughter - then how is it not a problem > when innocent people are harmed by actions of the state - > as when a child is deprived of a mother (effectively) by > imprisoning her? She's not being deprived of her mother; she's being deprived of her abuser. Abuse victims frequently bond with the abusers, especially children. That doesn't mean the child isn't better off being liberated from the perpetrator. This girl is going to have a very rough next several years no matter what. The only question is will the light at the end of the tunnel be the sun or a train. Just because cancer treatments are often (always?) emotionally and physically draining and difficult to endure wouldn't justify denying a child with leukemia proper medical care. It just means that things are going to hard, but with proper support, counseling, et cetera, she can get through it. If you leave her be, she will surely be emotionally destroyed. [snip] > This situation holds true for any convicted criminal who > has children, or a spouse: the innocent are punished as > well. And despite my speculation above, people are > complex enough that one can, in fact, be a good parent > and also rob liquor stores - or worse. I don't have a > solution - but you'd think one ought to pay enough > attention to the problem not to dismiss it with "lock 'em > up." Generally, I'd agree with most of this. But there is also a point of no return. Some acts are so heinous that anything shy of locking them up and destroying the key is intolerable. And when Kenneth Lay can rightfully tsk at your lack of moral fiber, you have committed one of those acts. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:05:26 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: random Google/blast from our past > From: Scott Hunter McCleary > Subject: random Google/blast from our past > > So I was Googling used CD stores in the Detroit area tonight and what > should pop up but Fegmaniax Digest Volume 2 Number 25 from April 1994 > (you know, when Miles and Gene were in college and lj musta been a > teenager at that point...). I graduated from college in 1989, so in 1994 I was working for Tulane University, which is probably what gave you that impression. I pretended to be a student again, taking the occasional art history or such night class. I did join Feg at Tulane. I believe my first post was in v01.n120, on Tuesday, October 12, 1993. So I guess my 10-year anniversary was last October. Wow. > Oh, and we were doing a TAPE tree of Robyn covers. You kids don't > know how good you have it these days with those shiny silver disks! ;) I still have a box of Robyn tapes. And several other boxes of cassettes, which decay more and more every day. When I was a Poor College Student at KLSU, I tapped albums like mad. I don't think I've listened to a single cassette in over four years. Now the piles of shiny silver discs are getting out of hand, too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:13:09 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Austin > From: tanter@tarleton.edu > Subject: Austin > > Is there any hint that Robyn might be playing more shows than the one > on > the 20th? No hint yet, but I am keeping my eyes peeled. I'm hoping Robyn does an in-store at Waterloo and/or 33 Degrees (I get 33 Degrees' email newsletters, so I'll let the list know if they announce anything). It also would be cool if Robyn decided to actually play in San Antonio, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, I don't know if my dream show of Richard Buckner and Robyn Hitchcock doing their encore together after they invite M. Ward onstage, will happen, but hey, I can dream. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:16:47 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! > From: "FS Thomas" > Subject: RE: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! > > As I sent in an earlier email, I've also gotten variant messages where > the return addresses included gene@hopstetter.com and > gshell@metronet.com. My preferred Bagle varient is onion, with cream cheese and bermuda onion, and smoked lox. However, I have not discussed this with Greg and some other, not-yet-identified person in email. But hey, I only post to Feg with OS X, so it ain't me sending viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:37:37 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: RE: Wow As a mother, I was shocked by this story. I cannot imagine the grief the woman went through when she thought her baby had been incinerated--she probably had nightmares, suffered depression, guilt, etc. The emotional fortitude it took to get through that would have to been incredible and then to have the presence of mind to notice the little girl looked like her kids 6 yrs later, to me that's incredible. It will be easier for the girl to heal because she is only 6--she will suffer some repercussions but it will be easier than if she were 10 or 12. If her mother had given her up for adoption I would have qualms, but she was stolen from her family and should be returned to them. No one has the right to take a child away from its family if it is growing up in a safe, secure environment, which seems to be the case here. The kidnapper deserves jail time--what she stole from this family is irreplaceable: the baby's first steps, first words, getting teeth, becoming a toddler, watching a child grow is an amazing experience and the mother has lost all of that. Returning the girl to her family will, in the end, be the correct and only thing to do. She belongs to her real family and they will help her transition and, most importantly, their love of her will be unconditional. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:18:57 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: RE: Wonder Falls It does sound a bit APartridgeish -- I haven't been able to view the Music Video. Word is that the Andy Partridge song doesn't show up until the 2nd episode. Apparently, that is fairly standard practice with pilots. Who knew? Sumiko >>> "Brian Huddell" 03/02/04 04:45PM >>> > >(There's a "music video" up on the official Fox website: > http://www.fox.com/wonderfalls/ ) > > Is that the "Hide Away" song which you hear in the commercials? > > If so, I will just say "AHA!" because that song TOTALLY hooked me, > which is really strange because you're only hearing 30 seconds of it. > I had the damn thing in my head for a whole day! If it's a Partridge > product, no wonder! Some confusion here. The "Hide Away" song you hear when you first enter the site (and presumably in the commercial) is The Polyphonic Spree's "Have a Day". If you click "Watch The Music Video!" you hear AP's tune. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:48:20 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Wow On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 06:43:51 -0800 (PST), "Jeff Dwarf" said: > sociopath > criminal thug > And the sort of person who would steal a child from > her family is only slightly less likely to continue abusing > a child than a member of NAMBLA. > There is no chance on Earth that the sort of woman > who would commit this crime isn't going at the very least > be extraordinarily psychological abusive of her daughter. > But when the only mitagating circumstance in her defense is > that she didn't kill the girl after stealing her, > deprived of her abuser. You make an *awful* lot of assumptions here. In rereading the article, I note the absence of even the remotest hint that the child had been abused (the original act, horrific as it is, abused everyone *but* the child) - and I'm pretty sure, given journalistic preferences, that had there been any such hint, the article would have emphasized it. I'm not defending this woman - I'm just saying that, from what we know (and you know no more than I do, I assume) there's no reason to believe the child does not think of her exactly as any six-year-old would of her mother. Still, in the long run you're right that, clearly, the girl can't stay with this woman, and that no matter what, the episode will be traumatic. But I'm troubled by the fact that most responses went immediately to vengeance, including a hefty dose of additional demonization sans evidence for same, w/o considering the actual facts of how that would affect the child. If the state is to have any ethical high ground, it should separate necessary punishment from vengeance. Acting from vengeance puts the state (and us) in much the same moral position as a criminal, for whom vengeance is often a driving motive. (I.e., the only difference between a Mafia rubout with cause, and the death penalty, is the state imprimatur placed on the latter, including its power to say what behavior is criminal. The state could, in principle, claim that "snitching" is a capital crime, for example. And when it involves foreign governments, or in wartime, it does and is. But again: the dif. between rival mob families, and rival governments, is one of state power. Many Mafia families are old enough to date back earlier than European city-states...which, in fact, may have originated precisely in extended-family/geographical private-army type arrangements.) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Solipsism is its own reward :: :: --Crow T. Robot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:20:15 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Wow [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 07:31 , Fortissimo sent: >An adult has the potential capability to comprehend why (for example) it would be >better for her daughter to stay where she is, to not be torn from the fabric of family, though it hurts that adult in a way I can't even begin to comprehend. A >child has no such capability. Family is a figurative term and can mean a variety of things. Safety, stability, food and comfort are some of the things most important to a child. A family should but will not guarantee any of these things. Though we can't judge the kidnapping mother as far as being a mother specifically, I can conclude that anyone who would pull of a crime at that level should not be allowed to raise any child. Additionally, she should be considered a threat to everyone she comes in contact with and therefore imprisoned for the rest of her life. Trust me, I know from direct experience. Things of such importance the child matures believing as true, can be ruinous for the adult when they finally learn the truth. Far more so than for the child. It is the things the child learns as a child that make the adult. Children can normally learn to trust again. Adults who have been lied to all their lives by their mother and family especially, rarely trust anyone ever. A dramatic change in enviroment and caregivers can be rough on a child but her going through life believing one thing and then learning as an adult that her entire life, family and history have been a lie used to cover up an outrageous crime pulled off by her "mother" will be far more devastating. To me there is really no question as to what must be done. It's how it gets done that matters. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:56:16 -0500 From: Subject: Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:16 , Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. sent: >My preferred Bagle varient is onion, with cream cheese and bermuda >onion, and smoked lox. However, I have not discussed this with Greg >and some other, not-yet-identified person in email. I have no true bagle strain preference but I can't stand flavored cream cheese. And it really rubs my knob wrong to see so many bagle producers pushing the precut type. The cut is ALWAYS off and they never fit correctly in the toaster. Are most of us so physically inept that we can't slice a bagle straight? I think we should be allowed to slice our own bagles. I use webmail and never download mail to my pc. I was a happy pine user but my former isp went belly up and i can'y find ANY ISP that allows a shell account and all the oher great things then associated for less than 30 bucks a month. Ooh well, life is rough and then you could get a terrible ISP and possibly a really nasty disease on top of all that. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:56:29 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Robyn! 51st! - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:37:44 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:56:16 -0500, gshell@americangroupisp.com said: > I have no true bagle strain preference but I can't stand flavored cream > cheese. > And it really rubs my knob wrong to see so many bagle producers pushing > the > precut type. The cut is ALWAYS off and they never fit correctly in the > toaster. > Are most of us so physically inept that we can't slice a bagle straight? Just ask yr average emergency room tech. But the solution here, to the pre-cut bagel issue, is don't buy pre-packaged bagels at all. Now pre-cut *bugles*, that's another issue entirely. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:57:33 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Virusmaniax! Brian: >>Actually, all it means is that somebody with Rex's address in *their* >>address book has a Bagle variant. Need not be a feg (assuming, and I >>do, that Rex has friends in the real world). Aww, shucks. You'd also have to assume that my real-world friends have computers, too, though. Bagle variant? Who names the viruses? For that matter, who makes the Nazis? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:23:27 -0500 From: Subject: Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:37 , Fortissimo sent: >> Are most of us so physically inept that we can't slice a bagle straight? > >Just ask yr average emergency room tech. ok so here is a solution that might help the derelicts cut a better bagel. stick your finger in the hole and only slice till you draw blood. now rotate the bagel about 90 degrees around the finger and make another cut, continuing until the bagel has been divided into two nearly equal halves. of course center all cuts or line them up with the one previous. you might want to use different fingers for each cut or move the bagle to a higher area on the finger like towards the hand so you can see fresh blood each time. tilt the tip of the finger down slightly so the blood runs away from the next cut site. this might not lessen the load on the emrgency rooms but it could help eliminate precut bagels. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:32:45 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: Recent discoveries... Sorta back online, & trying to jump in where I can ... I love the Stranglers too, but my collection of their stuff is spotty. My faves are Raven, La Folie & Meninblack. Some of the early songs I love, like "Something's Gotta Change" and "Get a Grip on Yourself" (spaceman theme already!), but some, like "Peaches" or "Hanging Around" kind of drag on. For the later pop stuff, well, I think they did it better than most people were doing it at the time. "Golden Brown" is a terrific song. In *my* recent acquisitions, I got Strawberries by the Damned. Great to hear lots of the Captain, but somehow doesn't have the spark of his solo work or the earlier Damned. The band seems more restrained in terms of noise, & he seems more restrained in terms of whimsy. Also got the 1967 album by San Francisco band Serpent Power. OK disk, like a much folkier, quieter, stranger version of pre-Slick J. Airplane. (There's a Country Joe & the Fish connection). But the drummer happened to be, or became, a very innovative, influential poet: he's Clark Coolidge! Really a decent drummer too, better chops than playwright Sam Shepard w/ the Holy Modal Rounders. Also got "The Immortal Story," the Only Ones collection, to augment my LPs by them. Totally great stuff. Bizarre to think of them being buddies w/ Robert Hunter, as the notes say. No mention of the girl singing with them, which is weird since she adds a nice touch. Mike Godwin, you know about her? You there? And finally got the new live Television. Sounds great, I don't mind the "heavier" than usual guitars, but do think the performance on "The Blow-Up" is much better. But at least the 1st disk of tBU has bad bootleg sound quality; maybe 2nd disk some better. - --- Proof that picking up a guitar & playing an earworm won't make it go away: the riff from "Little Black Egg" by the Nightcrawlers Ross Taylor "King Solomon he never lived 'round here" -- Joe Stummer Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:11:12 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: RE: Virusmaniax! It could be coming from me, too. My university has been hit hard--they think they've stopped it but we've had all kinds of stuff come into our mailboxes over the past 2 days. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: RE: Virusmaniax! My university has been hit too. Plus -- does anyone know if PayPal has been hit -- they've been sending me emails - - killed by the virusscan for a long time. Sumi >>> Marcy Tanter 03/03/04 01:11PM >>> It could be coming from me, too. My university has been hit hard--they think they've stopped it but we've had all kinds of stuff come into our mailboxes over the past 2 days. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:43:01 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Wow On Mar 3, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Capuchin wrote: > Now do you see why I don't think Democrats and Republicans are all that > different? Silly, as usual. The outcome of this case is a no-brainer. Other comments on this matter reveal me as a moderate. - - Steve __________ regretted freddy cruel steely wardroom igor rinse dub peripheral gingko dolphin inputting terry nervous passenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:49:05 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: RE: Virusmaniax! On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0600, "Sumiko Keay" said: > My university has been hit too. > > Plus -- does anyone know if PayPal has been hit -- they've been sending > me emails - - killed by the virusscan for a long time. I've received e-mails *spoofed* as if from PayPal - but not actually from it. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:53:31 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Hello Portland! Looks like the city of bridges just started marrying same-sex couples. Huzzah! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:02:58 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Recent discoveries... ross wrote: > > Really a decent drummer too, better chops than playwright > Sam Shepard w/ the Holy Modal Rounders. I have to say that I don't think that Sam's years with HMR were their best ones. He could lay down a jungle beat on tomtoms, but that's about all. I'm a big fan of the Stampfel/Weber/Reisch lineup. Many of Kit Marlowe's notebooks were filled with jokes about how W. Shakespeare should've stuck to the tabor all along, I'm told. Stewart (happy birthday, Robyn. You've been 17 three times over. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:06:52 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: Austin one time at band camp, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. (gene@hopstetter.com) said: >No hint yet, but I am keeping my eyes peeled. I'm hoping Robyn does an >in-store at Waterloo and/or 33 Degrees (I get 33 Degrees' email >newsletters, so I'll let the list know if they announce anything). one of the fegwebfolk wrote/called waterloo and they swore up and down that they are not doing an in-store this time around. i can not say, however, if they were telling the truth. has anyone written david greenberger to see if he has heard intimations of additional shows? he sometimes seems to know about vague plans and such before posting about them at the museum. woj p.s. why didn't anyone tape the nashville show?!? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:41:54 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: no magnetic memories At 03:06 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, fingerpuppets wrote: >p.s. why didn't anyone tape the nashville show?!? As the OnlyFeg there, I guess it's my fault, but I don't like taping shows. I find that it diminishes my enjoyment of the show greatly, so I don't even try it anymore. I ought to inquire at Grimey's (cool indie record store) to see if it's turned up, though I wouldn't hold my breath. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:10:38 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Virusmaniax! At 01:49 PM 3/3/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:17:57 -0600, "Sumiko Keay" > said: >> My university has been hit too. >> >> Plus -- does anyone know if PayPal has been hit -- they've been sending >> me emails - - killed by the virusscan for a long time. > >I've received e-mails *spoofed* as if from PayPal - but not actually from >it. Those generally aren't virus-driven spoofs but actual scams where the sender makes a PayPal-like page (and often links to actual PayPal content) in an attempt to secure your user name, password, credit card #, etc. I'm seeing more and more of these, along with ones that fake service requests from my ISP (Earthlink, though a lot of them think Mindspring is an active ISP rather than a legacy domain), from Amazon.com, from eBay, etc. In these cases, it's wise never to click a link in the e-mail - they're often set up to redirect the browser to their fake site. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:15:55 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: Robyn turns 51 Happy Birthday Robyn! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Hello Portland! On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > Looks like the city of bridges just started marrying same-sex couples. Yup. Multnomah County started issuing same-sex marriage licenses this morning. From what people told me yesterday, the lines today should be around the block. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:24:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: somebody on fegmaniax probably has a Bagle variant! >Steve: >She couldn't resist bringing it up over on Costello-L either. *sigh* > >"feisty" is an understatement... Yes...perhaps that is why I love her so. ;) General notes: Would you believe I (very mildly) cut my palm about two weeks ago, while carelessly cutting a bagel? Heh. This mother/child thread has gotta be one of the most unlikely debates I've seen on this list. Eb The ultimate in joyfully vapid web timekilling: http://fun.from.hell.pl/2003-11-24/bubblewrap.swf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Hello Portland! On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > Looks like the city of bridges just started marrying same-sex couples. > > Huzzah! Yeah, well, we'll see how long it lasts. The governor just went on record saying that he didn't think state constitution should be interpreted that way, and basically passed the buck onto attorney general. I'm happy for those who've been able to have been able to get married so far! That's gotta feel pretty great. =jbj= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #66 *******************************