From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #61 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, February 28 2004 Volume 13 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Kloss? ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Dead fish drive home drunk ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Dead fish drive home drunk ["Fortissimo" ] Re: seven more political sentences [Capuchin ] Ralph Nader [Eb ] Re: seven more political sentences [Christopher Gross ] Re: seven more political sentences [Capuchin ] Re: seven more political sentences [Christopher Gross ] Re: seven more political sentences ["Fortissimo" ] Re: A nose by any other name [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: searching the archives [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: seven more political sentences [Capuchin ] Re: seven more political sentences [Jeff Dwarf ] reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: seven more political sentences ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" <] RE: seven more political sentences [Capuchin ] Re: A nose by any other name ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? ["Fortissimo" ] Re: seven more political sentences [Miles Goosens ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #60 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Dead fish drive home drunk [Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: Kloss? > From: Tom Clark > > The Kloss radio from Restoration Hardware? That's like saying "the Apple G5 from Mongo's Computer Shack." ;-). Kloss is a pretty interesting guy. He was an MIT graduate and one of the greatest pioneers of sound/video reproduction of the century. He won an Emmy and was inducted into the Audio Hall of Fame. You could call him the Steve Jobs of audio. He helped found KLH, Advent, and Cambridge Sound Works. He played a seminal role in the development of the acoustic suspension speaker, transistorized equipment, Dolby B, and the cassette. He began developing satellite speaker systems for home theater applications in the early 70s. http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/kloss_e.html http://tinyurl.com/26sge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:43 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Dead fish drive home drunk Jill: >>Tangle Icefilter, the bonechilling revenger (sic) of widows! Ho-leee! Everyone else gets playful sprites and shit... what did you do to earn a bonechilling revenger? I wanna party with you. And your fairy! Neff: >>Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's nicknames that do that...anyone? Mol: >>Peg from Margaret. There must be more names derived from Maragaret than just about any other name. Marge, Maggie, Madge, Meg, Megan, Marg (apparently), Peg, and on it goes. Most of them having variations with "-ie" or "-y", and hells of spellings for at least half. My wife is "Megan", which seems simple enough, but oddly a lot of people decide for reasons of their own that it needs to be spelled with ei's, gh's and several other faux-Celtic looking variations. And some people decide to pronounce it "Mee-gan", despite the fact that there's no way anyone has ever introduced her as such. But the real question: how come no "Parge"? Matt: >>ever get that thing where you're trying to say something and you end up >>saying the opposite? Ah well, there's a good moral to the story: never >>drink too much wine while still at work... So... if I read this correctly... you're saying I should pop open a big jug of vino and get sloshed before I head home today, right? Saying the opposite, I mean... very clever. Brian: >>On further listen, this might not be the most feg friendly album, but >>there is a song on there called Dead Fish (Don't Swim Home). That's where I know New Musik from-- it's been driving me nuts! Someone hereabouts sent me an mp3 of that song for the Ghost Ship/Horror on the High Seas compilation a few years back. Who, though? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:00:50 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Dead fish drive home drunk On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:43 -0800, "Rex.Broome" said: > There must be more names derived from Maragaret than just about any other > name. Marge, Maggie, Madge, Meg, Megan, Marg (apparently), Peg, and on > it goes. I see your Margaret and raise you Elizabeth: Liz, Lizzie, Lisa, Liza, Beth, Betty, Betsy, etc. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Christopher Gross wrote: > A large fraction of Nader voters said they would have voted for Gore if > Nader wasn't in the race; Actually, they were polled about how they would vote _were it a TWO-WAY race_. Huge difference. So it's not just what they'd done if Nader weren't in the race (not the subjunctive), it's what they'd done had there been no other candidates. Hence, everyone else who voted for a Non-BushGore candidate would also have to be polled for their results. (Interestingly, what would the other half have done? If it were a two-way race, would the other half have abstained? Voted Bush? No information.) > the isn't true of Republican voters, Libertarians, etc. Therefore, Nader > being out of the race was much more likely to give Gore votes than, say, > Libertarian candidate Harry Browne being out of the race. Clear? To vital points here: 1) Not only would Nader have to have been out of the race, but no other Green candidate and no independent or third party candidates at all. (So what would that do to Bush's vote count? Who knows.) 2) Only the Nader voters were polled on the subject! Were the Libertarians polled on what they would have done if it were a two-way race? The Socialists? The American Party (or whatever Buchanan commandeered)? No. This is a VERY clear case of media distortion. They framed the question in such a way that debate was narrowed and the possibilities limited in the public mind (clearly... unless you're atypically swayed). > Feel free to carry on without me. Oooh, the Quail Tactic returns! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:45:08 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Ralph Nader John Randolph "Five Easy Pieces" screenwriter Carole Eastman Sixpence None the Richer I was trying to find an answer to the inevitable "who?" question about the former, but couldn't find a real good picture. Try http://www.tvguide.com/movies/dbpix/images/39094a.jpg or http://theworkingtheater.org/images/randolph.jpg Sometimes, I mixed him up with Robert Alda.... Unless something goes wrong, I'm going to see my long-beloved Wrens tonight for the first time in years. Woo! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: seven more political sentences Sorry, Jeme, you won't draw me back in that easily. I've decided that getting into onlist debates with you is not what I want to do with my remaining years on Earth. I just need a reminder of this every once in a while.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Christopher Gross wrote: > Sorry, Jeme, you won't draw me back in that easily. I've decided that > getting into onlist debates with you is not what I want to do with my > remaining years on Earth. I just need a reminder of this every once in > a while.... It's OK if you don't have a rebuttal. I think I've done a fine enough job of dismantling your faulty reasoning that nobody else will be infected by it. The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize them so they can't breed. That way they'll die out within a generation like mules and other perversions of nature. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: seven more political sentences Nope, you're still going to have to try harder.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:55:10 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:11 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" said: > The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize them so they can't > breed. That way they'll die out within a generation like mules and other > perversions of nature. I know the Dems are largely asses - so are you saying Nader is a horse? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:15:23 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: A nose by any other name >Kinda cool. She gets to watch fireflies fuck! > >When I use my real first name I get Tangle Goblinfilter, so apparently >James = Tangle in Fairese... although why Dignan gets your goblin to >shimmer while Broome only makes it filter is a little odd. You'd think >Eb's would be a Goblinfilter, too, but Broome actually returned two >different results. In other news I'm Simon Gallup. first two letters of first name and first letter of surname seem to map onto Fairie's first name and two parts of surname. "J" is Tangle, "a" is Goblin, "D" is shimmer, "B" is Filter. in other weird name news: >> What the hell kind of name is "laugh out loud" anyway..? > >How the hell _do_ you get Lol from Laurence? I think Lol Creme is a Lionel, which is just as bizarre. Next you'll be saying that Gazza is a weird shortening of Gary. >When my dad says "to hospital" it sounds like "to waspi'oow" As a London-born friend of mine says: "Verb ain't a verb, but nahn is a nahn, adjectivaw is adjectivaw, and glo'l stop contains a glo'l stop!" >Lol from Laurence seems logical enough...but Bob from Robert? Bill from >William? Dick from Richard? Ted from Edward? > >Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's nicknames that do >that...anyone? Betty and Buffy are Elizabeth, Billie is Wilhelmina, Bobbie is Roberta, Nan and Nancy are Anne ... Then again, you far more often get women's names shortened to the *ends* of the original - Tina, Mina, Etta, and all those other names that sound like prefixes in the SI system, f'rinstance. Could it be because it's the endings that have the 'feminine' vowel sounds there? And how the hell does Charles become "Chuck"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:15:28 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: searching the archives >It's quick, easy, and works like a charm. You can remove the Google >logo and change the name of the button. I suggest this code: > > not "Seek ye the one known as Clint"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Fortissimo wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:11 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" > said: > > The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize them so they > > can't breed. That way they'll die out within a generation like mules > > and other perversions of nature. > > I know the Dems are largely asses - so are you saying Nader is a horse? No, Chris would be the mule (attempting to propogate sterile ideas). I hardly consider him a Dem/Nader half-breed. We can only hope that the current batch of Democrats are sterile. I don't think we'll be so lucky. We're just seeing an ever-narrowing of the political field in this country (which, in turn, narrows media focus which narrows public debate, etc. etc.). It's a kind of in-breeding, to be sure, but I don't know how many generations will have to pass before the offspring are no longer viable. They sure are grotesque abominations already, though. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: seven more political sentences Fortissimo wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:11 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" > said: > > The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize > them so they can't > > breed. That way they'll die out within a generation > like mules and other > > perversions of nature. > > I know the Dems are largely asses - so are you saying > Nader is a horse? I thought he was Lebanese.... (ducking cutlery) ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:44:03 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap Russell Hunter, 79. Bye, Lonely James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? So how did we end up doing the damn fairies when this equally brilliant *VAMPIRE NAME DETERMINER* was right next door? http://www.emmadavies.net/vampire/default.asp Here's me: The Great Archives determine you to have gone by the identity: Maharaja of The Ghastly Known in some parts of the world as: Gawain of Austria The Great Archives Record: This one returned to revenge the death of its children. Stay away, it is vicious. If I call myself female, I appear to be the same guy in drag... The Great Archives determine you to have gone by the identity: Maharani of The Ghastly Known in some parts of the world as: Venus of Austria The Great Archives Record: This one returned to revenge the death of its children. Stay away, it is vicious. Do you hear? Gender be damned... I am vicious! Good to see a consistent use of the verb "to revenge" on this site! - -Gawain Broome of Austria ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:31:22 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? >So how did we end up doing the damn fairies when this equally >brilliant *VAMPIRE NAME DETERMINER* was right next door? > >http://www.emmadavies.net/vampire/default.asp Every time I try one of these name-generator things, I get "Rosey Grier." Baffling. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:41:25 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: seven more political sentences Jeme Said: >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Christopher Gross wrote: >> Sorry, Jeme, you won't draw me back in that easily. I've decided that >> getting into onlist debates with you is not what I want to do with my >> remaining years on Earth. I just need a reminder of this every once in >> a while.... > >It's OK if you don't have a rebuttal. I think I've done a fine enough job >of dismantling your faulty reasoning that nobody else will be infected by >it. > >The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize them so they can't >breed. That way they'll die out within a generation like mules and other >perversions of nature. Hey Jeme, you know before when you said you didn't know what people meant when your posts made you look like a heartless robot? This post was a prime example. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > Jeme Said: > >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Christopher Gross wrote: > >> Sorry, Jeme, you won't draw me back in that easily. I've decided that > >> getting into onlist debates with you is not what I want to do with my > >> remaining years on Earth. I just need a reminder of this every once in > >> a while.... > > > >It's OK if you don't have a rebuttal. I think I've done a fine enough job > >of dismantling your faulty reasoning that nobody else will be infected by > >it. > > > >The best thing you can do about bad ideas is sterilize them so they can't > >breed. That way they'll die out within a generation like mules and other > >perversions of nature. > > Hey Jeme, you know before when you said you didn't know what people > meant when your posts made you look like a heartless robot? This post > was a prime example. I got two notes off-list about that, too. But they weren't particularly informative (one just kind of blindly insulting and the other inquisitive... I've responded to both with no reply). I don't see the "heartless robot" part, though. His conjecture is based on faulty information and reasoning and he keeps returning to those bad reasons as though they haven't even been questioned. That doesn't make him a bad person or anything, it just means that we need to, as a community, recognize that and either find new reasons to support the conjecture or drop the idea altogether. If you wanna explain what made you think "heartless robot", please do so. I'm really interested. On- or off-list is fine by me. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:45:41 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: A nose by any other name On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:15:23 +1300, "James Dignan" said: > >Lol from Laurence seems logical enough...but Bob from Robert? Bill from > >William? Dick from Richard? Ted from Edward? > > > >Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's nicknames that do > >that...anyone? > > Betty and Buffy are Elizabeth, Billie is Wilhelmina, Bobbie is Roberta, > Nan > and Nancy are Anne ... Buffy<-Elizabeth? Really? Betty isn't the same pattern cuz the B's right there in the last syllable (ElizaBETH->Bet(h)->Betty). Billie and Bobbie seem more along the lines of feminine versions of the male nicknames (I'm guessing the male nicknames are older, historically...). But Nan(cy) from Anne is the real deal, as is Peg from Margaret. Evidently, this was an older English nicknaming pattern...but why the particular consonant shift is what mystifies me. > Then again, you far more often get women's names > shortened to the *ends* of the original - Tina, Mina, Etta, Accented syllable. Then again, the Irish give you Liam from William, so...? > And how the hell does Charles become "Chuck"? So what do you call a guy whose given name is Farley? (Chris and Miles will observe this post accidentally has quite a BtVS name bounty...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:23 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0800, "Rex.Broome" said: > So how did we end up doing the damn fairies when this equally brilliant > *VAMPIRE NAME DETERMINER* was right next door? > > http://www.emmadavies.net/vampire/default.asp Mine sucks. But my wife's... The Great Archives determine you to have gone by the identity: Maharani of The Great Oceans Known in some parts of the world as: Devil of Seducers The Great Archives Record: Beautiful and alluring - hiding great power, great danger. - --Damned straight! (It's gotta be cavemen, by the way...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree :: what they are made of, where they come from, or how often :: they should appear. :: --Lemony Snicket ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:56:35 -0500 From: "Razorback_Hawg" Subject: Re: Vampires vs. Faeries: Which is Gayer? Persephone de Pompadour is my vampire name. also known as Iseult of The Hungry One of the poor who howl at the door of the Rosary and the garlic strung cross i don't think that's any better than my faerie name, or my real name for that matter. but i think vampires are cooler than faeries. Laura gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:31:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: seven more political sentences Chris, >> Feel free to carry on without me. Jeme, > Oooh, the Quail Tactic returns! Well, no worries. The new Quail Tactic is to laugh at myself for ever taking your ideas seriously enough to waste my time arguing with you. It took me almost a year to realize this, however -- many long months of counseling, in fact, but in the end, I was finally able to kick the Capuchin Argument Addiction Syndrome. In case Chris or anyone else is interested, I did this by re-programming my toaster with the complete works of Noam Chomsky, Jean Baudrillard, and Mother Jones magazine; I then forced myself to argue with it daily, a heart monitor recording my emotional fluctuations. Of course, that worked for only a few weeks; after I discovered that I still attached a fondness to my toaster for providing me with many years of delightfully warm bread, I removed the heating element, and the simulation proceeded with much greater authenticity. By Summer, I was able to walk away without an angry "final word"; by Autumn, I even had a smile on my lips: "Oh, that toaster, with his wacky ideas." Anyway, I'm back; but please don't let that stop anyone from using my name to describe tactics, mythical lists, ex-vice presidents, pet names for their sexual organs, and so on. It's quite flattering. I just wanted to drop a word in, because I've discovered that lurking after you've *rejoined* a List feels a bit creepy, like those adolescent fantasies wherein you imagine floating above your own funeral. Which is to say, a bit too *attractively* creepy. (Wouldn't you agree, Mousetalker? Come on, I know you're there...!) The reason I rejoined is, besides missing a few of you dearly, I realized if I would have remained subscribed, I would have heard of The Decemberists the first time around. Instead I had to discover them on my own, a few albums late and several moths of Good Music poorer. Oh, and then there's that Robyn guy.... Anyway, I've calmed down politically the last year, so don't worry, I'm not planning to leap in with Nader-bashing or anything like that. I've successfully navigated a 12-step program, and now I am a committed Pharoanist. As far as I'm concerned, I can't tell the difference between Republicans, Democrats, or Greens! I now scoff at democracy. Tyranny is what we want, ladies and gentlemen, rule by the firm hand of a living god-on-earth! Bush's cabinet slain to serve him in the Afterlife! Al Sharpton forced to wear the head of a dog! Carol Mosley Braun as Secretary of Locusts! And all our subjects listening to Iron Maiden! - --Quailhotep I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:49:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: seven more political sentences the prodigal Quail: >Anyway, I'm back; but please don't let that stop anyone from using my name >to describe tactics, mythical lists, ex-vice presidents, pet names for their >sexual organs, and so on. It's quite flattering. Welcome back! If anyone needs a refresher on why Quail left in the first place, here's a summary: later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:11:25 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:31:00 -0500, "The Great Quail" said: > Anyway, I've calmed down politically the last year, so don't worry, I'm > not > planning to leap in with Nader-bashing or anything like that. I've > successfully navigated a 12-step program, and now I am a committed > Pharoanist. As far as I'm concerned, I can't tell the difference between > Republicans, Democrats, or Greens! I now scoff at democracy. Tyranny is > what > we want, ladies and gentlemen, rule by the firm hand of a living > god-on-earth! Bush's cabinet slain to serve him in the Afterlife! Al > Sharpton forced to wear the head of a dog! Carol Mosley Braun as > Secretary > of Locusts! And all our subjects listening to Iron Maiden! Well, welcome back to you and your amusing, refunctioned toaster. I'm not sure how long you've been lurking, but we no longer discuss that guy with the eyebrow here - instead, we only discuss animation and computers and the proposal to create a computer-animated political candidate that unites the political ideals of Greg Shell and Jeme Brelin. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:54:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #60 Yes, "Living by numbers" is the title. For some reason I always used to sing "Living by Woolworth's" instead. And why have I heard of Naked Eyes? I think they had some sort of Bath connection. - - MRG, back on digest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:58:33 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: Dead fish drive home drunk On Friday, February 27, 2004, at 01:00 PM, Fortissimo wrote: > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:43 -0800, "Rex.Broome" > said: >> There must be more names derived from Maragaret than just about any >> other >> name. Marge, Maggie, Madge, Meg, Megan, Marg (apparently), Peg, and >> on >> it goes. > > I see your Margaret and raise you Elizabeth: Liz, Lizzie, Lisa, Liza, > Beth, Betty, Betsy, etc. And yet half the people you meet when you're an Elizabeth insist on calling you Liz. Go figure. My theory on those two names - and this is based on nothing but my own giant Irish-Catholic family - is that for many years, girls only got named about nine things. So they had to call you something to differentiate you from your 8,000 cousins. My grandmother Elizabeth was a Dolly, and my great-aunt Elizabeth was a Libby, for example. There were a Betsy and an Elizabeth-who-went-by-Elizabeth in that generation as well. I've actually been reading a lot of baby name books in the last few weeks - you know, for some reason - and I've learned that a lot of names are nicknames for things you wouldn't necessarily think of right away. For instance, Daisy is a Margaret nickname - which baffled me until one book mentioned that a marguerite is a daisy in French. Sadie and Sally are both nicknames for Sarah. Why? I have no clue. I'd love to find a book that actually explained these things, but no dice yet. Elizabeth (aka Princess of the Ghastly) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #61 *******************************