From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #60 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 27 2004 Volume 13 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: non-official suggestion to the official objection ["Eugene Hopstetter] It's so slow I'm actually hitting a button labeled "Seek Fairie" ["Rex.Br] Re: New Musik ["Chris Franz" ] Re: New Musik ["Brian" ] Re: New Muzik [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? [Tom Clark ] Re: official objection [Capuchin ] Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? [Capuchin ] Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? [Tom Clark ] Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? [Capuchin ] I never look up these urls [Jill Brand ] Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? [steve ] Re: three more political notes [steve ] There's no cure for the Cure... ["Matt Sewell" ] RE: I never look up these urls ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: There's no cure for the Cure... ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: There's no cure for the Cure... [Miles Goosens ] Re: seven more political sentences [] Re: seven more political sentences [Christopher Gross ] Re: There's no cure for the Cure... ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: There's no cure for the Cure... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: New Muzik ["Brian" ] Re: seven more political sentences [Christopher Gross ] Kim Gordon is Hot (85% Computer Geek Content) [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:28:54 -0600 From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: non-official suggestion to the official objection > From: fingerpuppets > > one time at band camp, Ken Weingold (bofh@unix.vi) said: > >> Plus a search function would be awesome. Any chance of adding that? > > yeah, i know. one of these days. i think when we switch to mj2, you > might get that for free. Hie thee, father potato, to Free Google Search. If the archives are spidered and indexed by Google, this'll give you the code to add to the site to enable people to search the archives. It's quick, easy, and works like a charm. You can remove the Google logo and change the name of the button. I suggest this code: And you can do it all with vi, too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:37:47 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: It's so slow I'm actually hitting a button labeled "Seek Fairie" >>Your fairy is called Fire Elffilter >>She is a cheerful sprite >>She lives where fireflies mate and breed >>She is only seen on midsummer's eve Kinda cool. She gets to watch fireflies fuck! When I use my real first name I get Tangle Goblinfilter, so apparently James = Tangle in Fairese... although why Dignan gets your goblin to shimmer while Broome only makes it filter is a little odd. You'd think Eb's would be a Goblinfilter, too, but Broome actually returned two different results. In other news I'm Simon Gallup. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:37:03 -0800 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: New Musik New Musik is a sentimental favorite of mine, ever since I was loaned a taped copy of their "Sanctuary" compilation LP way back when. "From A to B" and "Anywhere" are both wonderful pop records, and it's tough to choose a favorite between them -- they're of very similar quality. "Warp," their final album, is a bit more experimental but excellent in its own way. The three albums were re-released in Japan a few years ago and are still in print there -- those versions are the only way to find a few really obscure (but still great) songs of theirs (notably "Under Attack" and "And). Check sites like http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/ for them. Tony Mansfield went on to produce material by Captain Sensible, Naked Eyes, and a slew of smaller 80's bands. Jonas Werstad's site, which features the interview Brian mentioned as well as a mailing list, is the most comprehensive New Musik site out there. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:28:34 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: New Musik On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:37:03 -0800, "Chris Franz" said: > New Musik is a sentimental favorite of mine, ever since I was loaned a > taped > copy of their "Sanctuary" compilation LP way back when. "From A to B" > and > "Anywhere" are both wonderful pop records, and it's tough to choose a > favorite between them -- they're of very similar quality. I received "Anywhere" yesterday in the mail, with "From A to B",but haven't given it a spin yet. I want to wait -save it for a rainy day- which won't be long, I'm sure. "Warp," their > final album, is a bit more experimental but excellent in its own way. > The > three albums were re-released in Japan a few years ago and are still in > print there -- those versions are the only way to find a few really > obscure > (but still great) songs of theirs (notably "Under Attack" and "And). Allmusic.com rips "Warp" up pretty good I think, but I've read some rave reviews on it. I'll get it for sure, eventually. > Check > sites like http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/ for them. Ha! The cheapest I've see "Warp"! I wonder how much they nail you for shipping, coming from Japan. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:37:00 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: New Muzik >I was so intrigued by Simon's article I decided to track down some New >Musik. I got 'From A to B' last night. I've listen to it 3 times already. >Pop genius! How is it that I never heard of this band? Have I been *that* >sheltered? Was this stuff every once know? I rate this stuff up there >with the early dB's records, though it's completely different -but I >think it's that good. weren't they the band that had a minor hit with one with a chorus that went "They don't want your name (just your number)"? Other than that, though, I've never heard anything of them. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:43:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? on 2/23/04 8:55 PM, Fortissimo at tonerbomb@warpmail.net wrote: > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:32:34 -0500, "Roberta Cowan" > said: >> Hey, does anyone remember the Compact Disc Minimum Advertised Price >> Antitrust >> Litigation settlement issue that was posted on the web a year or so ago? >> You >> could go online and assert that you were cheated by the music industry >> and >> deserved a part of the settlement. I received a check in the mail today >> for >> $13.86! > > Here's the site w/info on this: > > My check came today. As did my new office speakers: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10dbk.html droool... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: official objection On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, fingerpuppets wrote: > i have a complete mbox archive from february 1998 onwards. prior to > that, in addition to the digests, i have some incomplete mbox archives, > plus my old e-mail box (never cleaning that out has had some unintended > benefits!) and some other stuff here and there. i also have a vaxmail > (or something) archive of the posts mitchell dickerson found > "interesting" and saved which goes back to the beginnings of the list > back on pebbles.sct.clarkson.edu in 1991. i should clean that up and > post it on fegmania -- some interesting reading in there. > > >So... anybody got a forever-archive of feg? > > that would be most swell. actually, i can think of one person who just > might still have all the posts until she left the list in 96 or so. i > shall check. If you want to forward that stuff to me or just put it someplace public, I can combine efforts with the fellow working on a searchable, completist archive of the other list and we can maybe make some progress. Let me know if you need an scp account or something. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > As did my new office speakers: > http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10dbk.html This reminds me... Does anybody else remember that little expensive FM radio that was posted here a year or two ago? It had a single speaker and some fancy analog electronics inside. It was quite expensive. I've seen them in a few places since then, but I don't recall the name or enough about it to find it on google. More information cheerfully provided. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:57:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? on 2/26/04 2:48 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Tom Clark wrote: >> As did my new office speakers: >> http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10dbk.html > > This reminds me... > > Does anybody else remember that little expensive FM radio that was posted > here a year or two ago? > > It had a single speaker and some fancy analog electronics inside. It was > quite expensive. > > I've seen them in a few places since then, but I don't recall the name or > enough about it to find it on google. > > More information cheerfully provided. The Kloss radio from Restoration Hardware? http://tinyurl.com/3dqny I doubt it's the one you're talking about, but it almost fits the description. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > The Kloss radio from Restoration Hardware? > > http://tinyurl.com/3dqny > > I doubt it's the one you're talking about, but it almost fits the > description. It LOOKS like the one I'm thinking about, but for some reason I thought it was twice as expensive. But really, this must be it. Thanks. They Might Be Giants used one on stage for their "play along with the radio" segment... I also keep seeing them in movies and stuff. Just trying to remember. Thanks, again. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: I never look up these urls There must be 5 references to urls in every digest that I get, but I never have time to find out what they are. But these fairy names were too enticing and over I went. I am (trumpet sounds) Tangle Icefilter, the bonechilling revenger (sic) of widows! I don't even know where to begin with this. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:10:04 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: CD MAP: the rest of the story? On Feb 26, 2004, at 6:31 PM, Capuchin wrote: > They Might Be Giants used one on stage for their "play along with the > radio" segment... I also keep seeing them in movies and stuff. And they have colorful little sibs - - - Steve __________ Balance Due, account Peter pork chop 9 dilettantes: Furthermore, over curse meditates, and fairy of dissident figure out burglar near. Behind boy brainwash for midwife. But they need to remember how secretly inferiority complex behind sheriff leaves. Millicent, the friend of Millicent and daydreams with related to burglar. Indeed, ribbon for assimilate tea party toward marzipan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:18:08 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: three more political notes On Feb 26, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > Gah! Why will no one pick up my brilliant "stool" analogy? Remember that Gore got the second highest vote total ever. Despite the taint of Mr. I Can't Keep My Pants Zipped. - - Steve __________ Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:14:27 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: There's no cure for the Cure... Could be worse, Rex - you could be Lol Tolhurst... What the hell kind of name is "laugh out loud" anyway..? Cheers Matt >From: "Rex.Broome" In other news I'm Simon Gallup. > >-Rex - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you going travelling? Help us to find the 100 best internet cafes in the world. Click here for more details and you could win #250 and a digital camera! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:02:25 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: I never look up these urls Jill wrote: >There must be 5 references to urls in every digest that I get, but I never >have time to find out what they are. But these fairy names were too >enticing and over I went. I am (trumpet sounds) >Tangle Icefilter, the bonechilling revenger (sic) of widows! >don't even know where to begin with this?> Jill, we are simpatico regarding Tangle Icefilter. Michael B. NP Hellhound On My Trail The Songs of Robert Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Matt Sewell wrote: > "Rex.Broome" wrote: > > In other news I'm Simon Gallup. Dammit, I said EX-cures. :) > Could be worse, Rex - you could be Lol Tolhurst... > > What the hell kind of name is "laugh out loud" anyway..? How the hell _do_ you get Lol from Laurence? Or Porl from Paul for that matter. I'm Boris Williams. Cuz it's my idea. Even if I don't know how to do it. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:40:41 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Aah... I know that one It's 'cos over here, if you shorten someone's name where there's no diminuation (ie. like Matt or Jeff), people with London accents, or those with the accents of Estuary English with shorten the name to the first syllable and end it with what sounds like a cross between an L and a W... For instance, Gary becomes Gal or Ga'w Laurance becomes Lol or Lo'w. When my dad says "to hospital" it sounds like "to waspi'oow" Cheers Matt >From: Jeff Dwarf >How the hell _do_ you get Lol from Laurence? Or Porl from >Paul for that matter. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:25:16 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:14:12 -0800 (PST), "Jeff Dwarf" said: > Matt Sewell wrote: > > What the hell kind of name is "laugh out loud" anyway..? > > How the hell _do_ you get Lol from Laurence? Or Porl from > Paul for that matter. > > I'm Boris Williams. Or "Bol." Lol from Laurence seems logical enough...but Bob from Robert? Bill from William? Dick from Richard? Ted from Edward? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's nicknames that do that...anyone? - --Neff - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Matt Sewell wrote: > Aah... I know that one > > It's 'cos over here, if you shorten someone's name where > there's no diminuation (ie. like Matt or Jeff) I thought Matt(hew) and Jeff(rey or ery if you spell it the silly way my mother spent 15 months trying to get removed from my birth certificate) were diminuations? But other than that, I guess I sorta figured as much. I just wish that Lawrence Colbert from Ride had replaced Boris, not just because he would have actually been a worthy successor (Jason Cooper just isn't, though he is supposedly a really nice person) and it would have meant The Cure would have had two drumming* La[u/w]rences, both of whom had silly diminutives (Lol and Loz). *If you want to call what Lol did on those four albums drumming (I still think Porno is all drum machines). > , people with London accents, or those with the accents > of Estuary English with shorten the name to the first > syllable and end it with what sounds like a cross between > an L and a W... > > For instance, Gary becomes Gal or Ga'w Laurance becomes > Lol or Lo'w. > > When my dad says "to hospital" it sounds like "to > waspi'oow" > >From: Jeff Dwarf >How the hell _do_ you get Lol from > Laurence? Or Porl > from >Paul for that matter. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs > NEW all-in-one > Premium Services. Find out more here. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:34:15 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... At 09:25 AM 2/27/2004 -0600, Fortissimo wrote: >Lol from Laurence seems logical enough...but Bob from Robert? Bill from >William? Dick from Richard? Ted from Edward? > >Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's nicknames that do >that...anyone? Peg from Margaret. later, Mol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Fortissimo wrote: > "Jeff Dwarf" said: > > Matt Sewell wrote: > > > What the hell kind of name is "laugh out loud" > > > anyway..? > > > > How the hell _do_ you get Lol from Laurence? Or Porl > > from Paul for that matter. > > Lol from Laurence seems logical enough...but Bob from > Robert? Bill from William? Dick from Richard? Ted from > Edward? > > Off the top of my head, I can't think of any women's > nicknames that do that...anyone? Meg from Margaret. Or Peggy from Margaret. Or, if you lived in England in the 1980s, Psychobitch from Margaret. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:56:07 -0500 From: Subject: Re: seven more political sentences [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:20 , Christopher Gross sent: >One leg was Gore's weak campaign strategy and personal style, >sure, but another was Nader's candidacy. That is so daft, and I'm tired of hearing it. 250 thousand, that's .25 MILLION, fucking registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. What was the gap between Bush and Gore in Florida? Please push that number through one more time so we can compare the two. Wait,,, I know. Maybe Jeb and company switched the results in the areas they knew they'd lose. If that happened you would then have one single legitimate reason why no Nader in Florida MIGHT have meant a victory for Gore. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:20 , Christopher Gross sent: > >One leg was Gore's weak campaign strategy and personal style, > >sure, but another was Nader's candidacy. > > That is so daft, and I'm tired of hearing it. 250 thousand, that's > .25 MILLION, fucking registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. Sigh.... Assuming that's true, so what? EVEN WITH losing those 250,000 votes, Gore would STILL have won if he had had a modest fraction of the Democratic voters who went to Nader. A few thousand more Gore votes in Florida would have given him a safe, Supreme-Court-proof victory in the state, and thus the Presidency. Therefore, ANYTHING that cost Gore a few thousand Floridian votes can be blamed for his loss. Nader's candidacy is one of these things. Events can have more than one cause. Why is this so hard to understand? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:45:48 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Er, yes, that's what I meant... ever get that thing where you're trying to say something and you end up saying the opposite? Ah well, there's a good moral to the story: never drink too much wine while still at work... Is it hometime yet? Cheers Matt (dim*) *short for diminuation, naturally... >From: Jeff Dwarf >I thought Matt(hew) and Jeff(rey or ery if you spell it the >silly way my mother spent 15 months trying to get removed >from my birth certificate) were diminuations? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you going travelling? Help us to find the 100 best internet cafes in the world. Click here for more details and you could win #250 and a digital camera! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:57:31 -0500 From: Subject: Re: seven more political sentences [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:11 , Christopher Gross sent: >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: >> That is so daft, and I'm tired of hearing it. 250 thousand, that's >> .25 MILLION, fucking registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida. > >Sigh.... what the hell is that supposed to mean? are you frustrated because you know I'd reject you as a lover? how would you know that? >Assuming that's true, so what? EVEN WITH losing those 250,000 >votes, Gore would STILL have won if he had had a modest fraction of the >Democratic voters who went to Nader. Or a fraction of the Rebublican voters or the Socialist Workers Union voter or the liberatian voters or the independant voter. It's like that in elections. >A few thousand more Gore votes in Florida would have given him a safe, >Supreme-Court-proof victory in the state, and thus the Presidency. >Therefore, ANYTHING that cost Gore a few thousand Floridian votes can be >blamed for his loss. Nader's candidacy is one of these things. > >Events can have more than one cause. Why is this so hard to understand? well hell, if the special services hadn't kept all those democrats from voting he would have won too. maybe if there hadn't been so many pizza buffets running specials that day he would have won. maybe if venus was lined up with what the fuck ever more freaks would have come out and nader would have won the presidency. maybe the moon was not in sync. so the energy for some was not right. maybe the lizard creatures who once ruled earth have come back and on the day before the election the Nader team convinced them that he could help them more than gore or bush so they abducted a bunch of democrats and brain-washed them into voting for bush. but the translator nader had hired was actually a republican and that's why so many voted for bush. maybe the moon not being in sync. affected the tides enough in one area that a chartered cruise carrying hard democrats was delayed and did not arrive back in time for them to vote. maybe all the elections are rigged and it doesn't matter what you vote. and maybe earthquakes and stuff are caused when some little kid thumps the side of the tank. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: There's no cure for the Cure... Matt Sewell wrote: > Er, yes, that's what I meant... ever get that thing where > you're trying to say something and you end up saying the > opposite? Ah well, there's a good moral to the story: > never drink too much wine while still at work... I thought it was never drink too little wine at work. Certainly makes work more tolerable. > Is it hometime yet? > > Cheers > > Matt (dim*) > > *short for diminuation, naturally... > > >From: Jeff Dwarf >I thought Matt(hew) and Jeff(rey or > ery if you spell > it the >silly way my mother spent 15 months trying to get > removed >from > my birth certificate) were diminuations? ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:26:45 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: New Muzik On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:37:00 +1300, "James Dignan" said: > weren't they the band that had a minor hit with one with a chorus that > went > "They don't want your name (just your number)"? > > Other than that, though, I've never heard anything of them. I think that might be "Living By Numbers." Never heard it in the States. On further listen, this might not be the most feg friendly album, but there is a song on there called Dead Fish (Don't Swim Home). - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:40:58 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: seven more political sentences On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 gshell@americangroupisp.com wrote: > >Sigh.... > > what the hell is that supposed to mean? are you frustrated because you > know I'd reject you as a lover? how would you know that? Greg, I'm honestly not worthy of you. But if it's going to cause trouble between us, I'll withdraw the sigh. > >Assuming that's true, so what? EVEN WITH losing those 250,000 > >votes, Gore would STILL have won if he had had a modest fraction of the > >Democratic voters who went to Nader. > > Or a fraction of the Rebublican voters or the Socialist Workers Union > voter or the liberatian voters or the independant voter. It's like > that in elections. Yes, exactly! Of course, not all these possibilities were equally likely. A large fraction of Nader voters said they would have voted for Gore if Nader wasn't in the race; the isn't true of Republican voters, Libertarians, etc. Therefore, Nader being out of the race was much more likely to give Gore votes than, say, Libertarian candidate Harry Browne being out of the race. Clear? > well hell, if the special services hadn't kept all those democrats from > voting he would have won too. You may have meant this as humor, like the ones about pizza buffets and lizards, but it's actually a good point. There are serious allegations that many black voters, who tend to support Democrats, were harrassed and intimidated on election day; if that's true then it surely cost Gore some votes. That's not to mention the proven fact that many people were kicked off the voting rolls who shouldn't have been. But I'm mostly repeating myself (which I only do because my original argument is still adequate to answer all the replies I've seen so far), so I'll stop now. Feel free to carry on without me. BTW, I got my music monopoly check a few days ago and immediately applied it to my credit card debts. Of course I used money I already had to buy two CDs around the same time, but this way I felt more virtuous.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Kim Gordon is Hot (85% Computer Geek Content) Wow - my dual 1.8GHz Mac G5 just topped out at 22x while ripping Sonic Youth's "Murray Street". That's probably no record, but it beats the 5x-7x I've been used to. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #60 *******************************