From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #49 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 19 2004 Volume 13 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: REAP - French [] Re: REAP - French (vive les quebecois...) [Caroline Smith ] Re: bilingual [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #48 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Been bugging me for a while now... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Been bugging me for a while now... [Capuchin ] Re: Been bugging me for a while now... ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Tiger Force (NR) [Capuchin ] Fwd: Killing the Music ["robcow909" ] Re: Fwd: Killing the Music [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Read It In... um, something [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: REAP - French ["Matt Sewell" ] A sign from above? ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: A sign from above? [Steve Talkowski ] Re: A sign from above? ["Matt Sewell" ] RE: REAP - French [] RE: REAP - French ["Matt Sewell" ] And another thing... ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Tiger Force (NR) ["Brian" ] Re: A sign from above? [Steve Talkowski ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:24:56 -0500 From: Subject: Re: REAP - French [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:36 , Palle Hoffstein sent: >> how does BC get away with not having to print everything in french? >> >> gSs > >We don't. All road signs, and all government printed documents are in both >English and French. interesting. i drove from vancouver to edmonton and don't remember seeing french road signs until around jasper or banff, out of bc. i do remember seeing lots of men but no women peeing along the rural roads and highways. is there no law against urinating in public or is it just overlooked? i do often stop beside the road but then i go to the bushes or behind a tree or fence line, just not right beside the rode. the french brought this habit with them didn't they? >All governmant employees (Federal and Provincial) in BC >are required to be bilingual, same as the rest of Canada. even the Inuits? >In fact, the only province where you don't have to be bilingual is Quebec, >where putting English on a sign is a legal offence. we should have let the nazis keep france, or did we? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:51:52 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: REAP - French (vive les quebecois...) Here are a couple of great photo essays of Montreal. There are a couple of good shots in here that depict typical signage. Bilingual signage is not illegal. Though, you will see mostly French signs unless you are downtown in the touristy areas. around the city: http://www.urbanphoto.net/twomonths/index.htm around the plateau: http://www.urbanphoto.net/ontheplateau/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:40:58 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Read It In... um, something Miles: >>Item #3,921 under "Things Miles Never Knew Before He Got on the Internet": >>that there were people who disliked either version (Bunnymen or Teardrop >>Explodes) of "Read It in Books" Well... Cope and MacCulloch certainly dislike one version apiece rather intensely! Just did a quick check to see if anyone's covered it and truly screwed it up... and the Teardrop version didn't show up at all, which puzzled me until I remembered that the track on Kilamanjaro was actually just called "Books", and, umm, seems to be credited to Copey alone. So I guess we know who wrote what part now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:15:07 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: bilingual >Oh, I wish that 'Of Montreal' Ross O were here to explain. New Brunswick >is the only officially bilingual province. Beyond that, I wouldn't venture >to suppose. or Fric Chaud for that matter ;) James (in a land where government department signs are in both English as Te Reo Maori) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:15:06 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #48 >- -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 18. >Februar 2004 0:15 Uhr -0800 regarding You're soaking in it (reap): > >> She made the Palmolive commercials in French, German, Danish and Italian. > >I had no idea they were internationally produced or even that the slogan >existed in other countries! They were such a staple of my childhood: "Sie >baden Ihre Hdnde drin!" ... I had no idea either. I had assumed they were Australian ads (NZ TV often shows ads originally made for Australia) - worldwide, huh? Weird. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:27:01 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Been bugging me for a while now... Palle: >>Checking this out on www.allmusic.com (my fave web page if there is one) Now, of course most of us use the hell out of this thing, and it's not going to be replaced any time soon, but I have a growing beef with the AMG vis-a-vis release dates. Specifically the release dates on reissues... it's getting waaaaay stupid. Over the last few weeks I've looked at entries for X, Uncle Tupelo, the Fall, and just now Echo & the Bunnymen, and dammit, all the reissues have 2003 (or whatever) release dates. Which is sort of understandable: someone wants to write new, revisionist reviews of the records and note the new bells and whistles, but... in what sense does "Under the Big Black Sun" belong to 2003? Certainly no more than it does to whatever year in the late '80's during which Elektra issued the first CD version. It's from 1982 and oughtta stay there... there's even a slot in the AMG for "Album Releases" which is supposed to list all the labels and serial numbers for the different issues and stuff, so hey, use that. Plenty of space in the text to parse the differences in the editions (older reviews do this all the time). I know it sounds like a small thing, but it clutters up the discographies and it just don't make sense to see a band's first four records at the *end*. Especially not even in chronological order within the set of reissues. It just really muddies the water of the artists' history. Kinda makes the site look more like a promotional machine for the reissuing labels than the reference tool I'd prefer it to be. Now, a majorly rejiggered release like "Underwater Moonlight... And How It Got There" properly belongs in the compilation section anyhow, as I figure it. Were it up to me it would still carry a 1980 release date, since that's the true vintage of all the material, but I can't hold everyone to that standard. The albums, though, really should stay where they were born. Oh, and don't even look at the Fall's discography. You'll just go mad. I'm sorry I even brought it up. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:48:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Been bugging me for a while now... on 2/18/04 4:27 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Palle: >>> Checking this out on www.allmusic.com (my fave web page if there is one) > > Now, of course most of us use the hell out of this thing, and it's not going > to be replaced any time soon, but I have a growing beef with the AMG vis-a-vis > release dates. Specifically the release dates on reissues... it's getting > waaaaay stupid. > And would it kill them to put the UPC code of each album up there? I mean, now that Google will find things based on UPC code, it would be sooooo cool to use a bar code scanner on your CD collection. With the right amount of automated parsing, you could build a complete database of all your CD's in no time! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Been bugging me for a while now... On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Rex.Broome wrote: > Now, a majorly rejiggered release like "Underwater Moonlight... And How > It Got There" properly belongs in the compilation section anyhow, as I > figure it. Were it up to me it would still carry a 1980 release date, > since that's the true vintage of all the material, but I can't hold > everyone to that standard. The albums, though, really should stay where > they were born. Yeah, that's come crazy stuff. I personally organize my records alphabetical by artist and chronological within the artist with re-releases in their original release timeline. I really couldn't imagine putting them in another order. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:25:18 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Been bugging me for a while now... On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:48:54 -0800, "Tom Clark" said: > > And would it kill them to put the UPC code of each album up there? I > mean, > now that Google will find things based on UPC code, it would be sooooo > cool > to use a bar code scanner on your CD collection. With the right amount > of > automated parsing, you could build a complete database of all your CD's > in > no time! > Music Collector, a database application available at www.collectorz.com, includes this very feature (you have to buy yr own scanner, or type in the UPC manually). I'm pretty happy with it so far (although not happy with the idjits who *can't be troubled to spell things correctly when they make entries in CDDB*. And don't get me started about various-artists comps...morons...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:57:44 -0600 From: steve Subject: Tiger Force (NR) Was I just not paying enough attention back in October? Interesting, in that the Republicans are all set to bash Kerry for "slandering" his fellow GIs (albeit by misquoting what he said). - - Steve __________ Well, is he [bin Laden] the enemy? Next slide. Or is this man [Saddam] the enemy? The enemy is none of these people I have showed you here. The enemy is a spiritual enemy. Hes called the principality of darkness. The enemy is a guy called Satan. - Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tiger Force (NR) On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, steve wrote: > Interesting, in that the Republicans are all set to bash Kerry for > "slandering" his fellow GIs (albeit by misquoting what he said). And I'm still in a kind of state of shock that the Democrats have decided to throw the race (again!) by putting up an unenthusiastic SENATOR (i.e., someone with no executive experience) against Bush. If I weren't an intelligent man, I would think that they're doing this on purpose. I guess it's five more years of this... then maybe it'll be Jeb's turn and the Democrats can run Lieberman or some shit. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:53:11 -0000 From: "robcow909" Subject: Fwd: Killing the Music - --- In VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com, NelsonSydpink@a... wrote: In a message dated 02/18/2004 4:22:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, ccsooner@b... writes: > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0217-01.htm > > Published on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 by the Washington.Post > Killing the Music > by Don Henley > > When I started in the music business, music was important and vital to > our culture. Artists connected with their fans. Record labels signed > cutting-edge artists, and FM radio offered an incredible variety of > music. Music touched fans in a unique and personal way. Our culture was > enriched and the music business was healthy and strong. > > That's all changed. > > Today the music business is in crisis. Sales have decreased between 20 > and 30 percent over the past three years. Record labels are suing > children for using unauthorized peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing systems. > Only a few artists ever hear their music on the radio, yet radio networks > are battling Congress over ownership restrictions. Independent music > stores are closing at an unprecedented pace. And the artists seem to be > at odds with just about everyone -- even the fans. > > Contrary to conventional wisdom, the root problem is not the artists, the > fans or even new Internet technology. The problem is the music industry > itself. It's systemic. The industry, which was once composed of hundreds > of big and small record labels, is now controlled by just a handful of > unregulated, multinational corporations determined to continue their mad > rush toward further consolidation and merger. Sony and BMG announced > their agreement to merge in November, and EMI and Time Warner may not be > far behind. The industry may soon be dominated by only three > multinational corporations. > > The executives who run these corporations believe that music is solely a > commodity. Unlike their predecessors, they fail to recognize that music > is as much a vital art form and social barometer as it is a way to make a > profit. At one time artists actually developed meaningful, even if > strained, relationships with their record labels. This was possible > because labels were relatively small and accessible, and they had an > incentive to join with the artists in marketing their music. Today such a > relationship is practically impossible for most artists. > > Labels no longer take risks by signing unique and important new artists, > nor do they become partners with artists in the creation and promotion of > the music. After the music is created, the artist's connection with it is > minimized and in some instances is nonexistent. In their world, music is > generic. A major record label president confirmed this recently when he > referred to artists as "content providers." Would a major label sign > Johnny Cash today? I doubt it. > > Radio stations used to be local and diverse. Deejays programmed their own > shows and developed close relationships with artists. Today radio > stations are centrally programmed by their corporate owners, and airplay > is essentially bought rather than earned. The floodgates have opened for > corporations to buy an almost unlimited number of radio stations, as well > as concert venues and agencies. The delicate balance between artists and > radio networks has been dramatically altered; networks can now, and often > do, exert unprecedented pressure on artists. Whatever connection the > artists had with their music on the airwaves is almost totally gone. > > Music stores used to be magical places offering wide variety. Today the > three largest music retailers are Best Buy, Wal-Mart and Target. In those > stores shelf space is limited, making it harder for new artists to > emerge. Even established artists are troubled by stores using music as a > loss leader. Smaller, more personalized record stores are closing all > over the country -- some because of rampant P2P piracy but many others > because of competition from department stores that traditionally have no > connection whatsoever with artists. > > Piracy is perhaps the most emotionally gut-wrenching problem facing > artists. Artists like the idea of a new and better business model for the > industry, but they cannot accept a business model that uses their music > without authority or compensation. Suing kids is not what artists want, > but many of them feel betrayed by fans who claim to love artists but > still want their music free. > > The music industry must also take a large amount of blame for this > piracy. Not only did the industry not address the issue sooner, it > provided the P2P users with a convenient scapegoat. Many kids rationalize > their P2P habit by pointing out that only record labels are hurt -- that > the labels don't pay the artists anyway. This is clearly wrong, because > artists are at the bottom of the food chain. They are the ones hit > hardest when sales take a nosedive and when the labels cut back on > promotion, on signing new artists and on keeping artists with potential. > Artists are clearly affected, yet because many perceive the music > business as being dominated by rich multinational corporations, the pain > felt by the artist has no public face. > > Artists are finally realizing their predicament is no different from that > of any other group with common economic and political interests. They can > no longer just hope for change; they must fight for it. Washington is > where artists must go to plead their case and find answers. > > So whether they are fighting against media and radio consolidation, > fighting for fair recording contracts and corporate responsibility, or > demanding that labels treat artists as partners and not as employees, the > core message is the same: The artist must be allowed to join with the > labels and must be treated in a fair and respectful manner. If the labels > are not willing to voluntarily implement these changes, then the artists > have no choice but to seek legislative and judicial solutions. Simply > put, artists must regain control, as much as possible, over their music. > > The writer is a singer and drummer with the Eagles and a founding member > of the Recording Artists' Coalition. > > > > > > > "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." -Albert Schweitzer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:26:49 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Fwd: Killing the Music As shocked as I am to be agreeing with 99% of anything written by Don Henley, I will take issue with 1% -- At 08:53 PM 2/18/2004, robcow909 forwarded what Don Henley wrote: > So whether they are fighting against media and radio consolidation, > > fighting for fair recording contracts and corporate responsibility, >or > > demanding that labels treat artists as partners and not as >employees... The point I've made to many of my friends and fellow musicians is that it would be a step up if labels would at least treat artists as EMPLOYEES -- a set salary rather than an 'advance' (essentially a huge loan, from which comes the recording, touring, and promotion budget on a scale that almost no one can pay back -- with no direct compensation to account for living expenses), health insurance (the RIAA touts charities which provide insurance for dying musicians -- THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A NEED for such charities), pension. If we could just get to THAT, with the still witheringly slim odds of landing a major-label deal, it would be a step. As it stands now, the only sane avenue is to tell the major labels to get fucked and download my CD from NetMusic, MusicMatch, Rhapsody, MusicNet, Apple iTunes, or AudioLunchbox, buy it from cdbaby.com, or buy it from me. ;) - -- dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Read It In... um, something "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Miles: > >>Item #3,921 under "Things Miles Never Knew Before He > >>Got on the Internet": that there were people who > >>disliked either version (Bunnymen or Teardrop > >>Explodes) of "Read It in Books" > > Well... Cope and McCulloch certainly dislike one version > apiece rather intensely! > > Just did a quick check to see if anyone's covered it and > truly screwed it up... and the Teardrop version didn't > show up at all, which puzzled me until I remembered that > the track on Kilamanjaro was actually just called > "Books", and, umm, seems to be credited to Copey alone. > So I guess we know who wrote what part now. See, Cope cared so little he couldn't even bother to write out the whole song title. I wouldn't say I dislike the TE version exactly, but I do think it is seriously and almost startlingly inferior to the Bunnymen version. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:29:39 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: REAP - French Who are the rest of us? Or do you mean the rest of US? I thought the main language over there was Spanish... or do you mean *your* language? Please don't include me in your "us" - I don't speak small-minded, racist bigot. Ta.. Matt >From: Greg >hell the French might not be half bad if they'd just stop speaking french and >talk like the rest of us. it's funny seeing all the french signs in places where >probably 99 percent of the french speakers can read and speak english. British >Columbia hasn't been infected yet but i believe everything east of there has. > >how does BC get away with not having to print everything in french? > >gSs > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:44:13 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: A sign from above? Here's hoping the supreme being has a nasty plague up her sleeve for Mel himself! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3209223.stm CheersMatt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:35:28 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: A sign from above? On Feb 19, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Matt Sewell wrote: > Here's hoping the supreme being has a nasty plague up her sleeve for > Mel > himself! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3209223.stm > CheersMatt 1. A tad behind on current events? This was like 4 months ago... 2. Nothing like poking fun at the expense of someone else's brush with death, eh? 3. The film's not even out yet. Another hitchhiker on the "bash Mel because it's currently in vogue" bandwagon? 4. Who's to say exactly which gender (if any) a "supreme being" is? 5. What if the sign came from below? CheersSteve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:05:34 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: A sign from above? 1. Yeah... so? 2. Aren't you being a little oversensitive? 3. No-one should need a reason to bash Mel Gibson... I give you: his entire career. 4. I don't know if a supreme being even exists, let alone what gender she is (it is correct English to use "he" when the gender is not specific, though this clashes with my beliefs regarding gender and diversity). 5. Lightning tends to come from above, unless you have evidence to the contrary. Hope this helps. Cheers Matt, still hoping Mel Gibson dies of a horrible plague, even if this does upset the list's MG fans... >From: Steve Talkowski >On Feb 19, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Matt Sewell wrote: > >>Here's hoping the supreme being has a nasty plague up her sleeve >>for Mel >>himself! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3209223.stm >>CheersMatt > >1. A tad behind on current events? This was like 4 months ago... >2. Nothing like poking fun at the expense of someone else's brush >with death, eh? >3. The film's not even out yet. Another hitchhiker on the "bash Mel >because it's currently in vogue" bandwagon? >4. Who's to say exactly which gender (if any) a "supreme being" is? >5. What if the sign came from below? > >CheersSteve - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:43:48 -0500 From: Subject: RE: REAP - French [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:29 , Matt Sewell sent: >Who are the rest of us? apparently not you. you no skeakay englaze? >Or do you mean the rest of US? 'Us', meaning players in the big game. play like us and you can continue playing. speak french and you are disqualified. >I thought the main language over there was Spanish... the main language in america is american. the main difference being many people over "here" actually want to learn Spanish but not for the same reason the french want to hear everyone speaking french. >or do you mean *your* language? as long as it's not french i really don't care. what language do you speak mostly? >Please don't include me in your "us" - I don't speak small-minded, racist bigot. > >Ta.. > >Matt so are you classiying me as a racist bigot like conan, like al sharpton or like abe lincoln? when did the french become genetically distinct? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:01:15 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: REAP - French > >Who are the rest of us? >apparently not you. you no skeakay englaze? I thought you said you spoke American? Perhaps this accounts for your less coherent posts... And what are you playing? What is the big game? Is it rounders? I don't think I want to play, despite not actually being able to speak French... Classifying you as a small-minded racist bigot was perhaps tiresome and lazy... but your hatred of the French is similarly so... Cheers Matt, quite the web troll today >From: >Reply-To: >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: RE: REAP - French >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:43:48 -0500 > >[demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:29 , Matt Sewell sent: > > >Who are the rest of us? > >apparently not you. you no skeakay englaze? > > >Or do you mean the rest of US? > >'Us', meaning players in the big game. play like us and you can continue >playing. speak french and you are disqualified. > > >I thought the main language over there was Spanish... > >the main language in america is american. the main difference being many people >over "here" actually want to learn Spanish but not for the same reason the french >want to hear everyone speaking french. > > >or do you mean *your* language? > >as long as it's not french i really don't care. what language do you speak mostly? > > >Please don't include me in your "us" - I don't speak small-minded, racist bigot. > > > >Ta.. > > > >Matt > >so are you classiying me as a racist bigot like conan, like al sharpton or like >abe lincoln? > >when did the french become genetically distinct? > >gSs > > >---- Msg sent via WebMail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out more about the new range of Premium Web services from MSN. Click here for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:03:23 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: And another thing... Where the hell is Mike Godwin? Has he unsubscribed? Or is he on the mythic "classic fegs who are nice to Quail" list? CheersMatt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:16:44 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Tiger Force (NR) What the hell are you doing reading my local news paper? ;) I never thought I'd see a link to the Toledo Blade in a feg mail! - -Nuppy On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:57:44 -0600, "steve" said: > Was I just not paying enough attention back in October? > > > > Interesting, in that the Republicans are all set to bash Kerry for > "slandering" his fellow GIs (albeit by misquoting what he said). > > > > > - Steve > __________ > Well, is he [bin Laden] the enemy? Next slide. Or is this man [Saddam] > the enemy? The enemy is none of these people I have showed you here. > The enemy is a spiritual enemy. Hes called the principality of > darkness. The enemy is a guy called Satan. - Lt. General William G. > "Jerry" Boykin - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:26:54 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: A sign from above? On Feb 19, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Matt Sewell wrote: > 1. Yeah... so? So get with the program! sheesh. > 2. Aren't you being a little oversensitive? Not really. I don't find it funny, considering I know someone who was struck by lightning and barely escaped death. I just think it's poor taste in general to wish ill will on someone simply because they are associated with a "controversial" project. > 3. No-one should need a reason to bash Mel Gibson... I give you: his > entire career. Granted, but hey, that first Mad Max was pretty cool and influential. > 4. I don't know if a supreme being even exists, let alone what gender > she > is (it is correct English to use "he" when the gender is not specific, > though this clashes with my beliefs regarding gender and diversity). How 'bout "It"? > 5. Lightning tends to come from above, unless you have evidence to the > contrary. Sure, but it could have been summoned from below (if one believes in a Hell, that is - i WAS trying to be facetious) All I knows is, the film opens next week and I'll go see it with as much of an uncluttered, openly "raised Catholic but haven't practiced any religion in over 20 years" frame of mind that I can. This sure is funny from IMDB though: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/board/nest/6312659 - -Steve ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #49 *******************************