From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #31 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 29 2004 Volume 13 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sorry for the multiple posts [Steve Talkowski ] the girl in Whale Rider [Jill Brand ] for Natalie: Wilco news [Miles Goosens ] Re: for Natalie: Wilco news [John Barrington Jones ] reap [Eb ] Re: St. Genevieve [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the girl in Whale Rider ["Razorback_Hawg" ] Re: the girl in Whale Rider [Miles Goosens ] TLC Babes Are Go! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: for Natalie: Wilco news ["Fortissimo" ] Mac Feg Thing (Totally OT) [steve ] Re: the girl in Whale Rider ["Razorback_Hawg" ] RE: REAlPolitics! [] RE: REAP [] Iron and Wine and Tinfoil ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Oscar nominations come out [Tom Clark ] Re: Iron and Wine and Tinfoil [Capuchin ] Re: for Natalie: Wilco news [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:04:15 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: sorry for the multiple posts thought something was up with the subject header not goin' through... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: the girl in Whale Rider I don't know if that movie was one word or two, but whoever said that that little girl couldn't act, well, has never spent any time with 12-year-old girls. She was wonderful. The scene in which she reads her little essay about her grandfather was so moving that I soaked the sleeve of my shirt because I didn't have tissues with me. There were no grand, sweeping gestures in that movie (a la LOTR), but there was quiet beauty. I thought the woman who played the grandmother was superb as well. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:10:13 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: for Natalie: Wilco news Apparently Leroy Bach is toast. Maybe his middle name is "Jay"? Go figure. http://www.wilcoworld.net/news/index.html later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: for Natalie: Wilco news On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Miles Goosens wrote: > Apparently Leroy Bach is toast. Maybe his middle name is "Jay"? Go figure. Why all the constant comings and goings in the Wilco camp? "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" painted Jay Bennett as a psycho, and Jeff Tweedy as a sensitive saint. But Jay's long gone now. Why do all the country boys leave, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:52:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Janet "Angel at My Table" Frame, 79 Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: St. Genevieve "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Miles: > >>Incidentally, the #1 result at the moment on Google for > >>a search for "genevieve" is the section of the TRADING > >>SPACES site devote to Genevieve Gorder. > >>Of course, I heartily approve. > > Good to know. This is a crush I have to keep on the > down-low, as my wife finds her a bit annoying and is > generally opposed to me liking large-breasted blondes. > But I like Gen... rather a lot (and yeah, she's younger > than me... I checked). I am allowed to like Amy Wynn > Pastor, so there's some solace. Still pissed that Teresa > Strausser bagged the "While You Were Out" gig, though. > There was a babe. I would be remiss if I allowed a mention of Trading Spaces (which seems to have gone off the rails, sadly) and Amy Wynn Pastor go by without plugging my brother's band since they were on the show (before he [re-]joined them) and wrote a song about Amy Wynn. http://www.appleslap.com/ts.htm Sadly, they were stuck with Hildi, who frequently cites the room she inflicted on poor Kevin as one of her favorites. It was quickly fixed as much as possible, though the pink and charcoal are apparently still visible on the fireplace behind the shattered glass (sufficiently caulked up, of course). Dustin and Brianna don't even live in the same house anymore. > -Rex, who's been appending the word "thoth" to "tinfoil" > for about a year and a half ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:19:25 -0500 From: "Razorback_Hawg" Subject: Re: the girl in Whale Rider I really wish I had seen this movie. I'm pretty dissapointed in the Oscar nominations overall, but I never watch those award shows, they always make me mad. Let's just leave it at that. I think it would be nice to see that little girl win an Oscar. Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > I don't know if that movie was one word or two, but whoever said that that > little girl couldn't act, well, has never spent any time with 12-year-old > girls. She was wonderful. The scene in which she reads her little essay > about her grandfather was so moving that I soaked the sleeve of my shirt > because I didn't have tissues with me. There were no grand, sweeping > gestures in that movie (a la LOTR), but there was quiet beauty. I thought > the woman who played the grandmother was superb as well. > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:25:19 -0500 From: "Razorback_Hawg" Subject: Re: Oscar nominations come out it's about time someone pointed this out! (thanks, Eb) Grunty/Laura gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > It is utterly pointless to discuss film with you. Actually, I'm not > sure there's a point in discussing *anything* with you. > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:33:14 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: the girl in Whale Rider At 05:04 PM 1/28/2004 -0500, Jill Brand wrote: >whoever said that that >little girl couldn't act, well, has never spent any time with 12-year-old >girls. She was wonderful. All I said was that her performance was "mediocre," at least in comparison to a lot of other performances this year by other women (or men, but that's another Oscar category), but "spectacular" for her age group. I didn't say she couldn't act at all. I will say though that I never completely bought her performance - it didn't strike me as natural or effortless the way truly outstanding performances, the ones I personally would consider award-worthy, should feel. She wasn't even awful by any means. She's got tons of potential. If anything, I'd probably label her acting in the movie "adequate." >There were no grand, sweeping >gestures in that movie (a la LOTR), but there was quiet beauty. Oh, I'd agree with that 100%. I really liked the movie overall, and tend to be more impressed and personally touched by well-done subtly than the grandiose. I'll take a close-up examination of a small girl's relationship with her grandfather over a film with cheesy button-pushing lines by Rohan shield-maidens like "I am no man" any day. That's not to say I didn't enjoy LotR for what it was. I did also say that I was glad that Whale Rider got nominated for something, at least. Gotta admit, though, I don't spend THAT much time with 12 year old girls. Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:01:36 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: the girl in Whale Rider At 06:19 PM 1/28/2004 -0500, Razorback_Hawg wrote: >I'm pretty dissapointed in the Oscar nominations overall, but I never watch >those award shows, they always make me mad. >Let's just leave it at that. I've realized that there are things in this world about which I can no longer be upset. Here are some of them: * Lists of top films, movies, etc., compiled by organizations (ex: AFI's Top 100 American Movies) and Media Outlets (Rolling Stone, VH-1, etc.). I mean, unless one of them asserts itself as *my* list ("Pitchfork Media Picks Miles Goosens' Top 50 Albums of the '80s!"), why should it bother me? Fun conversation starters, but I've become wholly incapable of being "outraged" or "shocked" or "distraught" by them. * Teenybopper bands. Oh, I hated Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett when all the girls in my 3rd grade class were ga-ga over them, and even as late as my young adulthood I hated New Kids on the Block. And I still think most of them are ridiculous. But they're also apparently part of a necessary stage in kids' development, so complaining about them won't make this phenomenon go away, and dancable lightweight pop beats the living hell out of "serious" stuff like Creed any day. Yes, this means that even the likes of Justin Timberlake and Color Me Badd trump Scott Stapp. * Awards shows. If you're stuck on being outraged by their choices, it's really not something you should be watching or paying attention to unless you just enjoy bitching for bitching's sake. Me, I like to see pretty actresses in hot dresses (my Golden Globes best-dressed picks: two surprises for me, Jennifer Anniston and a bodacious post-partum Mary Louise Parker), so I watch. Occasionally the broadcast will have a musical performance that I want to see, so that's another reason to tune in. If someone I like wins something, hooray for them (go, Ricky Gervais!), but that's gravy. They're just big dress-up parties. If you like that sort of thing, they're highly enjoyable as such, but thinking of them as more will only bring you grief. TV tonight: ANGEL finally (presumably) deals with one the implications of BUFFY's finale, the creation of hundreds, maybe even thousands, of Slayers. On THE KING OF QUEENS, Arthur finds out that his family owned slaves and attempts to make reparations to Deacon. And Dramarama reunites -- which doesn't seem like much of a spoiler given the attention that their newly minted cover of "California Uber Alles" got during the Governator's campaign... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:17:20 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: TLC Babes Are Go! The "AMG": >Corpus > Christi has also added accordion to the Spiritualizedalbum Ladies and > Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space and collaborated with Luna's Dean > Wareham on a cover of Serge Gainesbourg's "Je T'aime (I Wanna Boogie With > You)." Errm... the last five words there were a cosmetic alteration of your own devising, right, Sebastian? Miles: >>However, Teresa [Strasser] wasn't really right for that show -- it seemed >>real clear to >>me that she was instantly at a level of Sajak bordedom with the proceedings, >>and she's far smarter than that job ever would have given her a chance to >>exhibit. Yeah, her wit and actual *intelligence* was really painfully obvious... I would watch that show and think, damn, if those quick literate comebacks of hers that actually made it on the air were the best the editors could do to take her persona down to a "relateable" lowest common denominator level... what were the outtakes like? Her website as provided by Miles answered that... I found it when trying to see if she'd been permanently replaced. Just as bright as you might've expected, if perhaps ten times more depressed than you'd hope. And yes, you may now all tell Miles and myself to get a life, pronto. - -Rex "when I'm not watching TLC or e-bowing my banjo*, I'm avidly poring over the latest issue of Gnatmaniax!" Broome *not a euphemism until someone else uses it as such... start the countdown! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:51:09 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: for Natalie: Wilco news On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:16:13 -0800 (PST), "John Barrington Jones" said: > "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" painted Jay Bennett as a psycho, and > Jeff Tweedy as a sensitive saint. You think so? I mean, yeah, the movie clearly gave Tweedy more room to make his case - but I thought Bennett came off just fine: yes, he had strong ideas, but they were clearly backed by a high level of musical intelligence, and to me, it's just that they disagreed and ended up being unable to communicate. That argument over the intro to "Heavy Metal Drummer" ranks as the second- or third-most painful recorded band interaction I've witnessed. (The other two are any number of moments in the "Let It Be" film, and the recorded dialogue about the drum part appended to the recent reissue of "The Notorious Byrd Brothers.") - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:46:38 -0600 From: steve Subject: Mac Feg Thing (Totally OT) Mac using fegs might get a kick (or something) out of the above site. It has *nothing* to do with Robyn. Others might view it as an example of how to piss away at least $2500.00. - - Steve __________ It's an old shibboleth of those who want to inject religion into public life that they're honoring the spirit of the nation's founders. - David Greenberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:42:33 -0500 From: "Razorback_Hawg" Subject: Re: the girl in Whale Rider well, i don't watch them anymore, but it's hard not to hear about what gets nominated and who wins etc. except the Grammys, i phased those out a LONG time ago, maybe i'll start phasing the Oscars out too and just see what i like and not worry about what wins and what doesn't. seems like i should have done that all along.............. Grunty/Laura gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > * Awards shows. If you're stuck on being outraged by their choices, it's really not something you should be watching or paying attention to unless you just enjoy bitching for bitching's sake. Me, I like to see pretty actresses in hot dresses (my Golden Globes best-dressed picks: two surprises for me, Jennifer Anniston and a bodacious post-partum Mary Louise Parker), so I watch. Occasionally the broadcast will have a musical performance that I want to see, so that's another reason to tune in. If someone I like wins something, hooray for them (go, Ricky Gervais!), but that's gravy. They're just big dress-up parties. If you like that sort of thing, they're highly enjoyable as such, but thinking of them as more will only bring you grief. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:50:30 -0500 From: "Razorback_Hawg" Subject: Re: the girl in Whale Rider well, that's a good thing, unless you're a 12 year old boy, or the father of a 12 year old girl...........seriously though, i really want to see that movie. it sounds better than most of what was nominated, i don't get to many movies until they come out on DVD. Grunty/Laura gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > Gotta admit, though, I don't spend THAT much time with 12 year old girls. > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:39:27 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] iPod Mini trivia (NS) On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:35:04 -0600, "steve" said: > Here's a look at the competition for the iPod Mini. > > "MacArs"? Sending some sort of message to the Scottish market are we? - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:47:21 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap Janet Frame, 79 James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:02:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap >Janet Frame, 79 > Dude...you gotta switch away from the digest format, or just bow out of the "reap" game. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:20:49 -0500 From: Subject: RE: REAlPolitics! [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >From: Capuchin >The "insurgents and terrorists" in Iraq today are >freedom fighters working desperately to liberate >their people from a foreign occupation. So yesterday before the invasion they were working to maintain, for the Iraqi people, all the freedoms and liberties afforded them by their leader? We are talking about the same country, correct? Does this include the non-Arab freedom fighters too? These of course are the religious chicken chokers from Afghanistan, Pakistan and other non-Arab countries. Exactly whoes freedom are these people fighting for? It's an oxymoron to call any even slightly fanatically religious group, freedom fighters unless of course you take the term literally and then it's actually true. We need a grass roots movement to help end religion. Do you think we could get the suicide bombers to blow up the human shields? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:44:55 -0500 From: Subject: RE: REAP [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:24 , Capuchin sent: >> But I hope freedom comes to Iraq anyway. > >So do I. If you continue calling the suicide bombers and baathist remnants freedom fighters, I don't believe you actually hope freedom comes anytime soon in Iraq. Only you know what you actually feel, but if freedom and security are brought into Iraq sometime soon, the majority of people will consider the campaign a success. There are not many people on this list that actually hope that happens, at least not while Bush is in office. The longer the resistance drags on and the longer the country remains in near turmoil, the better many people feel. Not because they particularly enjoy the violence but because they are so hindered by blind loyalty they let their morals get in the way of doing what is right. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:56:59 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Iron and Wine and Tinfoil Lookie what I found while browsing the http://www.ironandwine.com: I've been on a Jason Molina / Iron and Wine / Low kinda kick lately. Anybody else? I find their songs not 100% stellar, but there's always one or two songs on each album that are just so good it makes it all worthwhile. Like Low's "Two-Step" makes the Secret Name album such a winner. Are beards cool now? I hope so, cause I don't feel like shaving anytime soon. I love it when I suddenly become cool because of something I don't feel like doing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:27:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Oscar nominations come out on 1/27/04 4:45 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Hockey sucks, > Eb We've been over this before, so I think Eb is just trying to bait me because the Sharks are so far ahead of the Kings and Ducks. Rock over London. Rock on Chicago. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Iron and Wine and Tinfoil On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Are beards cool now? I hope so, cause I don't feel like shaving anytime > soon. I love it when I suddenly become cool because of something I don't > feel like doing. I didn't shave through December and a couple weeks on either side. I'm not admitting to full beardness, but I had a whole lot of facial hair for a while... And I must say that I got exactly one positive comment, lots of indifference, and a whole lot of bitching from Vivien. Um... no comment. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:16:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: for Natalie: Wilco news on 1/28/04 5:51 PM, Fortissimo at tonerbomb@warpmail.net wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:16:13 -0800 (PST), "John Barrington Jones" > said: > >> "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" painted Jay Bennett as a psycho, and >> Jeff Tweedy as a sensitive saint. > > You think so? I mean, yeah, the movie clearly gave Tweedy more room to > make his case - but I thought Bennett came off just fine: yes, he had > strong ideas, but they were clearly backed by a high level of musical > intelligence, and to me, it's just that they disagreed and ended up being > unable to communicate. That argument over the intro to "Heavy Metal > Drummer" ranks as the second- or third-most painful recorded band > interaction I've witnessed. (The other two are any number of moments in > the "Let It Be" film, and the recorded dialogue about the drum part > appended to the recent reissue of "The Notorious Byrd Brothers.") Don't forget the "everybody knows you don't do heavy metal in doubly" scene in Spinal Tap! Oh, and pretty much all of The Song Remains The Same... - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #31 *******************************