From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #23 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 23 2004 Volume 13 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the state of the onion [Jill Brand ] RE: REAP [Christopher Gross ] Re: the state of the onion [Christopher Gross ] middle ages cinema/post-punk idol [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Re: FW: more medi[a]eval movies ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) [steve ] Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the state of the onion [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the state of the onion [Christopher Gross ] Re: the state of the onion [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the state of the onion [Capuchin ] Re: the state of the onion ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: the state of the onion [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: the state of the onion [Capuchin ] Re: the state of the onion ["Fortissimo" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #22 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] can I be sued for using punctuation? [Mike Swedene ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #22 [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: the state of the onion [Jeff Dwarf ] The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink [FSThomas ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:05:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: the state of the onion OK, another survey... I made it through three sentences of the State of the Union address before realizing that everyone in my house would be a lot safer if I turned it off. How much did anyone else manage to stomach? Jill, who is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo pissed off that her precious (and I sound like Gollum when I say this) Tom Brady got hijacked by the Bush White House to attend the aforementioned speech ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: REAP On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Capuchin wrote: > The "insurgents and terrorists" in Iraq today are freedom fighters working > desperately to liberate their people from a foreign occupation. Whoo! Now there's one for my great-quotes file! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the state of the onion On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jill Brand wrote: > I made it through three sentences of the State of the Union address before > realizing that everyone in my house would be a lot safer if I turned it > off. How much did anyone else manage to stomach? I've never watched ANY of Bush's speeches, except for a couple after September 11. It's just too painful. It's like listening to fingernails on a blackboard. It's like listening to Mariah Carey sing that "I Will Always Love You" song. I keep up with what he says, but by reading summaries and transcripts later in the newspapers or on the web. - --Chris "Christ, how did it get to be almost 9:30 already" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:28:51 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: middle ages cinema/post-punk idol The Messenger isn't a bad movie -- hey, it's got Dustin Hoffman playing God (so Moses drops the tablets and God starts rocking back and forth and says, "Ten, ten, definately TEN commandments.") Mila's always pretty easy on the eyes, even with the weird haircut and the armor, hmmm maybe it's because of the haircut and the armor. And it's gotta be the strangest wig Malkovich ever wore in a film. The day-to-day look at life in the times is good. Some of the military stuff is interesting and well done (but then again, I grew up LOVING knights and stuff). It's a little uneven, but overall it's worth seeing once. Nobody's mentioned The 13th Warrior -- an overall abysmal film based on one of Crichton's better books IMO (Eaters of the Dead). It before it veers off into the Norseman meets the Wolfen realm it's got some good Vikings stuff -- and the Arab's point of view and reaction to their way of life is pretty amusing (much better in the book, though). And what about the first Black Adder series? I think several Hamlets have been mentioned, but what about Rosencrantz and Gilderstern are Dead? Doesn't get much better than that. Damn, I keep coming up Gary Oldman. ;) - -- ========= When Air National Guard absentee George W. Bush dressed up in Cruise's "Top Gun" costume and used the USS Abraham Lincoln as a giant, nuclear-powered strap-on, that was as brazen an exhibition of cross-dressing as there's ever been. -- Mark Simpson SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: the state of the onion > I've never watched ANY of Bush's speeches, except for a couple after > September 11. It's just too painful. It's like listening to fingernails > on a blackboard. It's like listening to Mariah Carey sing that "I Will > Always Love You" song. I keep up with what he says, but by reading > summaries and transcripts later in the newspapers or on the web. GW Bush-None, except as above. Flat-out liar. Clinton--Very little. His speeches usually reeked of insincerity. Bad speech writers? Bush Sr.--Surprisingly, I could listen to him more than anyone. Better speech writers? Reagan-None. Flat-out liar. Carter--Just a pup back then. jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:04:53 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: FW: more medi[a]eval movies On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:16:08 -0500, "John McIntyre" said: > > The Odeon was a small movie theater in Lansing MI that at the time was > owned by a real lover of movies who was living off his inheritance and > therefore did not need to make a living off the theater. It's sometimes too easy for a person of my politics to get a bad attitude toward the wealthy, particularly those of inherited wealth...so I think there should be more general broad recognition for those people (like Frank here) who do good things with their money. For some reason, this reminded me of a website someone pointed out in their blog a few months back (and if anyone remembers this, I"d really appreciate an URL): this guy (a movie obsessive, as it transpires) went through _Vertigo_ frame by frame and attempted to duplicate a number of the shots, for the purpose of comparing present-day San Francisco to the SF of the movie's time. Part of the interest for me was in terms of buildings/social space, but part, too, was a sort of political nostalgia or something whereby it was rather painful to recognize the extent to which great cities of the past, like San Francisco, are being closed off to nearly everyone but the wealthy because of free-market real estate practices. It seems grossly unfair that cities like SF are, essentially, livable-in only by the rich, and that increasingly, the only other people who can live there are the super-poor who simply can't live elsewhere...because they, in fact, live nowhere. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: crumple zones:: :: harmful or fatal if swallowed :: :: small-craft warning :: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:32:11 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) >> The "insurgents and terrorists" in Iraq today are freedom fighters >> working >> desperately to liberate their people from a foreign occupation. On Jan 22, 2004, at 6:13 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > I'm not so sure about that. I'd reckon most of them were foreign born > guerillas for hire. Probably working for that Al Queda guy. > We're not just dealing with a palm-farmer uprising here. It's a > battle for > ideological control of the region. If I had to guess, I'd say the suicide bombers might well be outsiders. I'm not sure that the Baathists were much into that sort of thing and they're likely most of the resistance. They're probably doing the mortars, roadside bombs, and RPG attacks. I'd think that some small fraction of the U.S. deaths have been blood killings. The U.S. Army patrols have killed a number of civilians (notice that the Marines have been saying that they will use "softer" techniques when they take over) and their male relatives would want revenge. They don't talk about it much, but U.S. authorities have admitted that we are paying blood money. - - Steve __________ Shortly after becoming Attorney General, John Ashcroft was headed abroad. An advance team showed up at the American embassy in the Hague to check out the digs, saw cats in residence, and got nervous. They were worried there might be a calico cat. No, they were told, no calicos. Visible relief. Their boss, they explained, believes calico cats are signs of the devil. - Andrew Tobias, 11/20/01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) Capuchin wrote: > And those ideologies would be the one that says the > Americans should have infinite dominion over foreign > lands and peoples and the one that says Americans are > over-stepping their bounds and violating the rights of > others? No, those would be the ideologies that say that their psychotic perversion of Islam should to smother and lord over all people. They care less about liberating the Iraqis than Rumsfeld or Cheney; in fact, they want the opposite. They care about creating a neo-medieval "utopia" over the so-called Islamic world. You know, the people who attacked on 9/11 and were the Taliban and al Qaida. The people Bush should have been going after, but he's too busy tossing Prince Abdullah's salad (who is, in term too busy tossing their salads so he can stay on his throne) to bother. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the state of the onion Jill Brand wrote: > OK, another survey... > > I made it through three sentences of the State of the > Union address before realizing that everyone in my house > would be a lot safer if I turned it off. How much did > anyone else manage to stomach? I didn't even bother trying. Saw The Daily Show coverage, and really that's about it since I can't even tolerate the TV news anymore except Sportscenter. John McCain (the guest on TDS last night) doesn't exact do the greatest job of hiding how much he loathes Bush. Of course, McCain is certainly justified just on a personal level (see Bush push polling in South Carolina, 2000 implying McCain had an affair [with a black woman, but saying he had a non-white child; he does, as he and his wife adopted an Indian (I think) baby], for which McCain would actually be justified in punching Bush's teeth out). ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the state of the onion me: > > I've never watched ANY of Bush's speeches, except for a couple after > > September 11. It's just too painful. It's like listening to fingernails > > on a blackboard. It's like listening to Mariah Carey sing that "I Will > > Always Love You" song. Or even Whitney Houston. Jon: > Clinton--Very little. His speeches usually reeked of insincerity. Bad > speech writers? I too only rarely watched Clinton's speeches. I think at least part of his problem wasn't bad speech writers, it was that Clinton always seemed *too* sincere, like an actor in a schmaltzy made-for-TV-movie, which of course made him sound insincere to skeptical types like me; and he couldn't stop doing this, whether he was being truly sincere, being factually honest but exaggerating his emotions, or lying like a mofo. > Bush Sr.--Surprisingly, I could listen to him more than anyone. Better > speech writers? I think Bush Sr. had the advantage of being a poor speaker, and therefore looking more honest and human. "Surely," the listener thinks, "both a liar and an elitist snob would sound slicker than this guy." I remember when I first started seeing Bush Sr. as a real person: a few days after Iraq invaded Kuwait, when Bush gave a press conference looking utterly exhausted, stumbled over his words and apologized to the audience. Bush II is generally lying, but still seems sincere when talking about non-factual matters -- it's just the sincerity of a know-nothing fratboy. And when he tries to look determined, to me he looks more like a petulant 5-year-old. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the state of the onion Christopher Gross wrote: > [Bush's public speaking is] like listening to fingernails > on a blackboard. It's like listening to Mariah Carey > sing that "I Will Always Love You" song. Whitney Houston. Sadly, because sales of that soundtrack make Nick Lowe (due to some cover of "(WSFA)PL&U") a shitload of money, I can't even bring myself to hate the bitch for it. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the state of the onion On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Of course, McCain is certainly justified just on a personal level (see > Bush push polling in South Carolina, 2000 implying McCain had an affair > [with a black woman, but saying he had a non-white child; he does, as he > and his wife adopted an Indian (I think) baby], for which McCain would > actually be justified in punching Bush's teeth out). Right, so of course you support blowing shit up and killing people. Makes sense now. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:06:11 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: the state of the onion Christopher Gross wrote: > > And when he tries to look determined, to me he looks more like a petulant > 5-year-old. I prefer Zoe Williams's description: "... he looks as though he's doing his first conscious poo." (from ) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the state of the onion Capuchin wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Of course, McCain is certainly justified just on a > personal level (see > > Bush push polling in South Carolina, 2000 implying > McCain had an affair > > [with a black woman, but saying he had a non-white > child; he does, as he > > and his wife adopted an Indian (I think) baby], for > which McCain would > > actually be justified in punching Bush's teeth out). > > Right, so of course you support blowing shit up and > killing people. are you even capable to typing without slandering someone? or are you just that fucking stupid? > Makes sense now. > > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:26:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the state of the onion On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Capuchin wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Of course, McCain is certainly justified just on a personal level > > > (see Bush push polling in South Carolina, 2000 implying McCain had > > > an affair [with a black woman, but saying he had a non-white child; > > > he does, as he and his wife adopted an Indian (I think) baby], for > > > which McCain would actually be justified in punching Bush's teeth > > > out). > > > > Right, so of course you support blowing shit up and killing people. > > are you even capable to typing without slandering someone? Just to pick a nit, slander is in speech. And I don't think what I wrote was libelous, either. You just expressed the view that violence was an appropriate way to resolve problems. That's what gets everyone into these horrible tragedies. > or are you just that fucking stupid? Was that meant to be ironic? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:33:27 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: the state of the onion On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:06:11 -0500, "Stewart C. Russell" said: > Christopher Gross wrote: > > > > And when he tries to look determined, to me he looks more like a petulant > > 5-year-old. > > I prefer Zoe Williams's description: "... he looks as though he's doing > his first conscious poo." > (from ) I think we're all seeing the same thing: I turned it on for a few seconds, having forgotten about it & expecting to find an episode of "24" - - I had the sound off, looked at him, turned to Rose and said, "he looks like someone trying to squelch a fart." This is, of course, no coincidence: what emerges from Bush's determination is equivalent, in value and unpleasantness, to the issue of either of the last two comparisons. - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:44:29 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #22 >Me neither, so line me up as well. This is another potential way to thing >the list's population, I guess. hmmm... "To thing the list's population". The mind boggles. >>shows how long it is since I saw the movie. I know it was at least seven >>years, because my partner at the time was a huge Colin Firth fan. Alice >>doesn't care for him - she's more inclined to watch Edward Norton or Kevin >>Spacey movies. > >Well, just as long as you don't mistake Alice for a pig... The senator's wife is a horse? James (oh, or Ralph Fiennes or John Cusack) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: can I be sued for using punctuation? Wonderful. When will it end? iTunes under Net patent threat http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=7726 mike np -> Police "Invisible Sun" live in Newcastle __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V13 #22 - --On Freitag, 23. Januar 2004 19:44 Uhr +1300 James Dignan wrote: >> Me neither, so line me up as well. This is another potential way to >> thing the list's population, I guess. > > hmmm... "To thing the list's population". The mind boggles. I feel it should've read "to something the list's population"! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:43:50 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: REAlPolitics! I think that's rather an assumption - Just because one believes the coalition invasion and occupation illegal and immoral (and I for one do) doesn't make the insurgency legal and moral. I always bristled at the insurgents being labelled as loyal to Saddam (not necessarily or necessarily at all the case), so I think I'd steer clear of the emotional overtones of the words freedom fighters... Cheers Matt >From: Capuchin >The "insurgents and terrorists" in Iraq today are freedom fighters working >desperately to liberate their people from a foreign occupation. > >J. >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subscribe to MSN 8 today for a better internet experience and save over 25% on the usual price! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:31:48 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Iraqotopia (WAS: Re: REAP) Couldn't agree more, Tom... those protesting from within the "rules" of a democratic system - they're your freedom fighters. I think that those who use violence against civilians are, by definition, terrorists. Cheers Matt >From: Tom Clark > >Protesting in the street and blowing shit up are two entirely different >things. Who's to say that the thousands protesting aren't just trying to >force change within the "rules" of a democratic system, while the car >bombers are up to something completely different? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Personalise your e-mails with photos, expressive graphics and stationery - - sign up for MSN 8 today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the state of the onion Capuchin wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Capuchin wrote: > > > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > Of course, McCain is certainly justified just on a > personal level > > > > (see Bush push polling in South Carolina, 2000 > implying McCain had > > > > an affair [with a black woman, but saying he had a > non-white child; > > > > he does, as he and his wife adopted an Indian (I > think) baby], for > > > > which McCain would actually be justified in > punching Bush's teeth > > > > out). > > > > > > Right, so of course you support blowing shit up and > killing people. > > > > are you even capable to typing without slandering > someone? > > Just to pick a nit, slander is in speech. And I don't > think what I wrote was libelous, either. Well, you said I approved of blowing people up just because I said McCain would be justified in defending his child from race-baiting. That either is either slanderous (this isn't published, and is far closer to speech than published text) or your a moron. > You just expressed the view that violence was an > appropriate way to resolve problems. That's what gets > everyone into these horrible tragedies. Look up hyperbole sometime though McCain punching Bush out for attacking his child would have been understandable if not quite justified. And it's a tremendous leap to say that one asshole getting punched in the face for race baiting someone's kid leads to tragedies. Not that you are capable of understanding that. And from someone defending the various pseudo-religious terrorist thugs roaming around Iraq these days, that's really rich. > > or are you just that fucking stupid? > > Was that meant to be ironic? No, it's meant to be rhetorical. It's pretty damn obvious what a complete fucking tool you are. If you didn't exist, Rush Limbaugh would have to make you up. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:13:44 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink Jeff Dwarf wrote: >>>or are you just that fucking stupid? >> >>Was that meant to be ironic? > > No, it's meant to be rhetorical. It's pretty damn obvious > what a complete fucking tool you are. If you didn't exist, > Rush Limbaugh would have to make you up. Damn, Jeff! I've mostly given up tangling with heir Capuchin. Not because of any fear of being out-done, mind you, but mostly due to the fact that it's akin to listening to a broken record. It seems to be arguing for argument's sake, which has about as much point as a sack of marbles. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:21:26 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: New Pornographers live in the studio Just found this dandy site, justconcerts.com, and it has footage (RealVideo, grr) of The New Pornographers performing. http://www.justconcerts.com/concerts/concert.cfm?Concert_Id=25 http://tinyurl.com/o822 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink FSThomas wrote: > Damn, Jeff! > > I've mostly given up tangling with heir Capuchin. Not > because of any fear of being out-done, mind you, but > mostly due to the fact that it's akin to listening to a > broken record. It seems to be arguing for argument's > sake, which has about as much point as a sack of marbles. That's why I had him filtered out. I turned it off, because you can only have so many and I thought I wanted something else done more, but I've reversed it. You are absolutely right, and I apologize to everyone else. I let the little troll bait me. I blame Yoko. ===== "Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:18:24 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink Oh come on now, it's only the Internet! I think a little heated debate is good every now and again, as long as one remembers that the disembodied typists are probably quite different people in real life... I have to admit, though, Jeff's "If Capuchin didn't exist Rush Limbaugh would have to make him up" made me laugh out loud! Cheers Matt >From: Jeff Dwarf >Reply-To: Jeff Dwarf >To: compassionate cronyism >Subject: Re: The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:39 -0800 (PST) > >FSThomas wrote: > > Damn, Jeff! > > > > I've mostly given up tangling with heir Capuchin. Not > > because of any fear of being out-done, mind you, but > > mostly due to the fact that it's akin to listening to a > > broken record. It seems to be arguing for argument's > > sake, which has about as much point as a sack of marbles. > >That's why I had him filtered out. I turned it off, because >you can only have so many and I thought I wanted something >else done more, but I've reversed it. You are absolutely >right, and I apologize to everyone else. I let the little >troll bait me. I blame Yoko. > > > >===== >"Life is just a series of dogs." -- George Carlin > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reduce spam in your inbox with MSN 8's intelligent junk e-mail filters. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:23:19 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: The onion's state's turned. It's starting to stink > It seems to be arguing for > argument's sake, which has about as much point as a sack of marbles. I think you're taking too dim a view of a sack of marbles. McCain could probably take out more of Bush's teeth with a sack of marbles than with his bare fists. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:32:48 -0500 From: Subject: RE: REAP [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Jeme sez: >These people would not have died had the US not instigated aninvasion. >That's enough. think how many people would be alive if the automobile been not been invented? kinda of a stretch to compare but, the automobile in it's form today and when it was first mass produced is not an absolute necessity. it kills more people each year than light, medium and heavy assault equipment of all types, either accidentally or on purpose. why aren't more people trying to have the automobile banned? >Those people died because of the war. Even if an American wasn't >pulling the trigger, the trigger wouldn't have been pulled if not for the >invasion and continued occupation of this foreign sovereignty. i guess that should have also applied in germany and japan? 'foreign sovereignty'? fuck that. that is in direct conflict with my borderless planet, earth id etc... project. anyway, if we occupy 'em long enough the foreignality will fade. if it was the un that was doing the occupying, would that make it any better? do you think we should just pick-up and leave so as to stop violating their sovereignty? i guess the infrastructure rebuilding should also stop. Wow we could spend the 86 billion on sending a person to mars or maybe to fund the 'patriot act II'. whether the miltary action was justified is worth debate but the import issue i see here is your apparent insistance that the violators of the sacred sovereignty of iraq should withdraw now. are you a nationalist or a patriot of some type? that would surprise me. the "continued occupation" for the near future is absolutely neccessary and will continue. anything less, at this time would mean certain chaos for iraq. does that mean i think the continued occupation guarantees anything else? No, but it improves the odds dramatically and should continue. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #23 *******************************