From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #9 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 11 2004 Volume 13 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feelm ["Grunty" ] replying to Rex as usual ["Natalie Jacobs" ] The Dreaded Sports Thread, New and Improved with Music Content! ["Miles G] Thumbnail review ["Maximilian Lang" ] Hi ["Maximilian Lang" ] Hi ["Maximilian Lang" ] maxwells early show [mike hooker ] Re: exobrains, ad campaigns, gherkins and marauding chickens ["Stewart C.] Re: This strikes me as a rather good price ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: maxwell's ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Feelm [Eb ] Re: Feelm [Eb ] Re: Feelm [Capuchin ] Did folks see this? [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:16:50 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: Feelm The Butterfly Effect, sounds interesting, not sure if i want to see it in the theatre or wait until it comes out on DVD. The trailer was good, but sometimes they use the best bits in the trailer, like they did in Queen of the Damned. Grunty DaWarthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > I didn't know he had another new film besides CBTD.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:36:51 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: replying to Rex as usual >I like Car Wheels just fine myself, but I see that viewpoint... it's a >really craftspersonlike album, but I don't mind those occasionally, when >they hang together and have enough heart to still connect. I guess I sounded too harsh on the album... It's very good, her voice is terrific, and I love the way the lyrics are so detailed (there's an image in the title track of the kid with tears and dirt on her face - great stuff), but it feels sort of broken-in already, like I've already heard it and loved it to death and I don't really need to listen to it anymore. And I've only listened to it twice. >You did sell me on Iron & Wine, though. Excellent! Try to catch them live, Sam Beam performs with a full band (including two drummers!). His beard is also a sight to behold. > >>Sonic Youth - Confusion is Sex > >>An early SY record. Kinda thought this would be more "rocking" than it > >>turned out to be > >Me too, when I first heard it waayyy back when. Interesting how that rep >has maintained itself throughout the years. Wonder why? You mean the "rocking" rep? I was expecting to be the record to be more straightforward rock in the same way that their late-80's/early 90's stuff is (Daydream Nation, etc.). I think they're defined mainly by that era in their career. n. _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:26:18 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: The Dreaded Sports Thread, New and Improved with Music Content! From an MLB.com interview with Oakland Athletics General Manager Billy Beane, who was the subject of Michael Lewis' book MONEYBALL and a great deal of media attention this year. Even before MONEYBALL, Beane had the rep of being one of the smartest GMs in the game. For Jeff's sake, I won't get into why, though it might be entertaining to see him attempt to figure out what OPS stands for. ;-) Anyway, here's the part that made me think "hm, let's forward this info to these here lists" (btw, I don't think music was ever discussed in MONEYBALL, even though its author is married to Tabitha Soren): ============ MLB.com: What are the last three CDs you bought, and what did you think of them? Beane: Let's see, that's tough. I get a lot of free CDs, so I have to think about that. One is by a band called Let's Active, an '80s group from Athens, Georgia. They're kind of in the R.E.M genre. It was a compilation. Another, I think is a compilation from The Clash, a best-of kind of thing. And then, probably something by a band named Drop Kick Murphy's, out of Boston. I actually went to see them the last time we were in Boston. They're awesome. Unbelievable. It's kind of hard to describe. I guess Celtic punk. It's punk-like, but they mix in bagpipes and stuff. It's really cool. ============ I wonder if someone did a homemade Let's Active mix for Beane, or if he's just thinking of the afoot/CYPRESS CD as a compilation. Anyway, somebody get that man a Scott Miller CD pronto! For the full interview, see http://tinyurl.com/2s9o9 later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:31:11 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Thumbnail review This is short because I got home at 4 last night. Best hair day I have ever seen Robyn have in the 15 years I have been seeing him. Half Cleaveland, which is half of Tin Huey was fantastic. Deni sat in for about 6 songs in the first set. Ira Kaplan sat in for about 6 songs in the second set. Ira played drums on a very shabby Rock and Roll Toilet. First set, he was wearing a shirt that looked like someone had vomited up some faux Mexican wallpaper on it. Second set, lizard shirt. He didn't play the requests of anyone I know. I missed the cone, I think that there was one for each set. He did Spanner. It was 7 degrees outside after the show. During the second set the people next to me got very drunk, loud and obnoxious...she couldn't sing at all...but boy did she. Robyn Voice was shot by the end of the night. Somebody will probably post a setlist before me, I will maybe later today or tomorrow. Really tired, Max _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up  fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:32:28 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Hi Hi Frank, Get home alright last night? If possible could you also make a copy of the Half Cleaveland warm-up that you recorded. Thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:33:47 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Hi ooops. Frank isn't on this list. I am tired, Max _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals  comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:44:27 -0500 From: mike hooker Subject: maxwells early show hi, i attended the maxwells early show last nite, it was a lot of fun. being a request gig, he really dragged out some old chestnuts, very enjoyable . might have been a little slow and off- putting for a first timer, but i really liked it. i taped it and it really came out well. the sound is super, and the crowd was extremely well behaved and quiet. the guitar was mixed a bit low , especially at the beginning, when he was just strumming softly with his thumb. still , a great gig. i might diddle around with it for my own use, but i'll trade it unmolested. if anyone wants to trade, drop me a line. i'd like to get the late show, of course. i saw one guy there with mics on his glasses, dont know if he did both shows. i'm going to bit torrent it for all to hear, but i'd like to squeeze a few quick trades out of it first, its getting to be a sickness :) my only regret is he brought along a telecaster, but didnt do anything great with it, just some muted chords . maybe he did more during the late show? ps- it was about 85 minutes, and there is no fat to cut, so its a 2 disc job. boo. have fun, Mike Hooker please see my music trading list at: http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being AOL, its doesnt always work. try later, or ask for a list ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:46:11 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: exobrains, ad campaigns, gherkins and marauding chickens Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > Well, just get your brain back from the chicken and you'll be fine. yeah, damn that poultry. I'm still with the company. They didn't fire me. They actually think I know my stuff. They've got a weird way of showing it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:59:31 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: This strikes me as a rather good price [rather long delay in thread, but ...] Rob wrote: > > I hope they do the decent thing and honour the 13.99 for those who ordered > it at that price Not merely are they not honouring it, they're now claiming that by ordering it on the website and their sending order confirmation, they never had a contract to supply it (until they ship, send confirmation, and charge my card, they say). Johnny Cash Unearthed is conspicuous by its absence from their website ... Fkrz ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: jlewis@gator.net Subject: Maxwell's Pewter Hammer (long show report) Well, I attended both sets this time. I have to say with regret that the intensity, quality, and je-ne-sais-quoi-ness level were not up to the very special Halloween show. I did have my hopes up, but this proved to be an average solo Robyn show, sloppy but enjoyable and livened up by the request format. Despite the uneven performances, it was great to get to hear some of the unlikely songs trawled up by the requesters, stuff I'm sure none of us have ever heard him do live and never will again. He opened the first set with September Cones, for chrissake! (The song has grown a bridge, incidentally.) In fact, that was one of the more intense performances of the night-- the quality bar did seem to be higher for the obscurities, probably because he just relearned them and has them fresh in his fingers and voice. The second set had a similarly haunting rendition of Skull, Suitcase, Bottle of WIne, the mood of which was initially spoiled by some guy losing his shit when he recognized the first line. "WHOAAAHH! DAMN!! YES!!" the fellow roared, to the extent that Robyn interrupted the verse to say "come on, it's not THAT good." I learned that given the chance to make requests, Robyn fans will largely stump for the RH Novelty Catalog. Spanner Ralph, Victorian Squid, Ted Woody and Junior, etc. The performance of Victorian Squid was great, especially in the weird "between the walnut and the fir" outro sequence. Moss Elixir came up aces this time-- Sinister but she was Happy and Filthy Bird (both with Deni) and You and Oblivion were all among the best performances of the night. Robyn introduced You and Oblivion sincerely and unquirkily, saying it was a song about "an old friend who flipped and I didn't", and how at first, when Robyn was staying on the straight road and his friend was veering off onto the wrong path, he wasn't sure whether it was the other way round, with Robyn the one losing his mind and his friend the one keeping it together. He likened it to the moment the shuttle and the retrobooster split up, and at first you're unsure which one you're on. Other song intros were quirky indeed, but in the best way. Whereas Halloween's excellent perfomances were accompanied by a lack of sparkly verbal Robynisms, last night the monologues were dead on. Ira Kaplan's contribution, on acoustic 12-string, to the latter half of the second set, was tentative and muted and didn't add much. They did Some Kinda Love and Ocean together, neither of which really jelled. Also Queen Of Eyes (which I don't need to hear live again for a few years, I think) and Love from the first solo album, which did come together beautifully with Ira singing along on the "Ahh Ahh Ahh Ahhhh"s of the chorus. Speaking of Love, the cover surprise of the night for me was Andmoreagain. Robyn's rendition was great, especially his guitar playing and the way his middle-aged voice sank down low for the "cuz my things are mateeeerialllll" line. He mentioned meeting Arthur Lee when he sat in on a couple of songs at the Forever Changes concert in London, and said he and Arthur discussed Syd B. Syd apparently listened to Love a lot, and Robyn pointed out the similarity in Syd and Arthur's weird chromatic chord progressions before going into a so-so cover of Baby Lemonade. Andmoreagain was one of many solo acoustic numbers Robyn played exclusively fingerstyle on. I first noticed this on a few songs at the Halloween show. Am I wrong or is fingerpicking a totally recent development for him? I'm sure I've never seen him do it before: it always jumps out at me when someone in a band does it since I myself am always vacillating between fingerstyle and flatpicking. It's really neat to see Robyn challenging himself at this stage and adding a new aspect to his already inimitable guitar language. Fingerstyle is really bringing a different sound to all those trademark moody arpeggios of his-- more twangy and with more variety of dynamic and texture between the notes. If anyone posts the setlist from last night, I do remember specifically that in the first set, he didn't pick up a pick at all until Uncorrected Personality Traits (in its spiffy new strummy guise). In my continuing crusade for the recognition of Luxor as an A+ Robyn record as well as a new kind of sound for his catalog, I have to mention that Idonia was one of the two or three best performances of the night, along with Filthy Bird, Sept. Cones, You and Oblivion, Victorian Squid, and Andmoreagain. Hair report: he's had a cut. The massive wings are gone. Or so it seemed-- by the end of the first set a miniature one was spreading wide off one side of his head as if to take flight. Meanwhile, Ira Kaplan right now resembles exactly a cross between Gilbert Gottfried and Eddie Murphy's Buckwheat. Back to Robyn's 'do, he mentioned having had it temporarily dyed for his work in the Demme movie. Why do I keep hoping his role in that is going to be something similar to the evil drug dealer from Withnail and I? "If I medicine you, my friend, you'll know you have been spoken to." "Hair are our aerials, man..." Okay, I'll stop now, after finishing off with a list off the top o' me head of other songs he did... Arms of Love and Driving Aloud, both with Deni. Rock n' Roll Toilet, with Ira making a grand old mess on drums and the whole audience singing along. Clean Steve. Ghost in You. Staying Alive, to close the last encore. De Chirico Street with Deni (limp). Solpadeine (without the pharmaceutical exigesis). Penelope's Angles (with nicely exaggerated baritone. The majority of the audience not knowing Luxor, the "yam" business drew big laughs. Same with Ted Woody and Junior later on). I Feel Beautiful (with lots of wrong chords. C'mon dude, this one's sposed to be for your lady!!) 1974 (the Syd/Roger line cracking the whole place up). A Man's Got to Know His Limitations, Briggs (which is already getting annoying). Man with a Woman's Shadow (very sultry and nice). Okay, I admit both shows were great fun. But the Halloween ones were somehow more than fun, which is why I'm just slightly disappointed. Now I'll hope for another Rock Armada-like tour. Your correspondent in Hoboken and Brooklyn, Jon Lewis (who needs a job really frickin' bad) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:23:50 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Setlist for second show @ Maxwell's 1/9/04 Setlist for set 2 Acoustic Guitar 1. Clean Steve 2. 1974 3. A Skull, A Suitcase And A Long Red Bottle Of Wine 4. Victorian Squid 5. The Ghost In You (Psychedelic Furs) 6. I Feel Beautiful 7. A Man's Got To Know His Limitations, Briggs 8. You And Oblivion Electric guitar 9. Man With A Woman's Shadow Enter Ira Kaplan on 12 string and Robyn Still on Electric 10. Queen Of Eyes 11. Some Kinda Love (Velvet Underground) 12. Love 13. Rock and Roll Toilet (Ira on Drums) Encore 14. Andmoreagain 15. Baby Lemonade (Syd Barrett) Ira Returns on 12 string 16. Ocean (Velvet Underground) 17. Stayin' Alive (Bee Gees) _________________________________________________________________ Find out everything you need to know about Las Vegas here for that getaway. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/vivalasvegas.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:15:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: First set setlist @ Maxwell's 1/9/04 First set (all acoustic) 1. September Cones 2. Penelope's Angels 3. Agony Of Pleasure 4. I Got The Hots 5. Linctus House 6. Give Me A Spanner, Ralph 7. Ted, Woody and Junior 8. Uncorrected Personality Traits 9. Idonia 10. Solpadeine Enter Deni 11. Sinister But She Was Happy 12. Egyptian Cream 13. Filthy Bird 14. Arms Of Love 15. Driving Aloud (Radio Storm) Encore(with Deni) 16. De Chirico Street _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:30:58 -0500 From: ein kleines kinnemuzak Subject: maxwell's so, what's the word on maxwell's recordings? i was lazy and didn't record but we know mike got the first show while max and frank got both sets. anyone else record either set? it would be trey cool to get transfer-sourced shn/flacs for the fegtree, bittorrent, etc. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:34:44 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: maxwell's >From: ein kleines kinnemuzak >To: tapermaniax@smoe.org, the big Ebowski >Subject: maxwell's >Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:30:58 -0500 > >so, what's the word on maxwell's recordings? i was lazy and didn't record >but we know mike got the first show while max and frank got both sets. >anyone else record either set? it would be trey cool to get >transfer-sourced shn/flacs for the fegtree, bittorrent, etc. Frank says his came out very well, mine did as well. I missed about 20 seconds of Driving Aloud due to a disc change. I got all of the second set and I think it sounds really great. As Woj and Tim Reed can attest, I had an obnoxious twit next to me. I had to move my mics and shift around a little to avoid picking up their noise, so there are some thuds etc. between songs. It will take me a while to tweak it. My first set, aside from the missing bit, is very good but not great. These are my first impressions of these recordings. Max _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:32:40 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Feelm Jeme: >Well, that's because they tried to stuff six books into three longish >movies. Six two hour movies instead of three three hour movies would have >been more appropriate... though an unprecedented thing for Hollywood. >(One might argue that doing the appropriate thing is unprecedented for >Hollywood, period.) Spoken like a true Trekkie. They gave you 11 or 12 hours of film, and you still they shortchanged you. Amazing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:54:52 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Feelm >They gave you 11 or 12 hours of film, and you still [say] they >shortchanged you. Amazing. Oops. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Feelm On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Eb wrote: > They gave you 11 or 12 hours of film, and you still they shortchanged > you. Amazing. They didn't short-change me, they short-changed the work. I enjoyed all of what I got. I just think that they did a whole bunch of condensation and cutting in order to fit the limitted format they were allowed and those changes undercut some of the more compelling themes in the written work. There are folks who will say, "Well, just look at them as totally different pieces, then." and to them, I say, "Sure." But when other folks claim that they were "true to the books", well, I have to call bullshit on that. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:50:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Did folks see this? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/esmithaut1.html ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #9 ******************************