From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V13 #5 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 8 2004 Volume 13 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Apple announcements [Capuchin ] Re: question for the musical Fegs [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Re: Christmas reap disks, plus reading [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Black out the windows ["Grunty" ] Re: Apple announcements [Capuchin ] Re: Apple announcements [Capuchin ] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Black out the windows [Eric Loehr ] Re: Apple announcements [Capuchin ] Re: Apple announcements [Capuchin ] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Apple announcements [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Apple announcements ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Apple announcements [steve ] Re: Apple announcements [Ken Weingold ] Re: Apple announcements [Tom Clark ] weather report (RH content) ["Melissa" ] tenor gee-tars ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Since the Soft Boys reunion was such a cash cow.... [Eb ] Deni with Robyn Hitchcock on Friday night. [fingerpuppets ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > I assume this thing just comes up as a USB mass storage device? (And that'd be USB 2.0, yeah?) Because, golly... that's some really cheap, small portable storage. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:26:20 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Re: question for the musical Fegs Thank you all for the suggestions! I doubt I could make the $80 back from performing live. Imagine if you will me and the old Mac 8500 I rebuilt from parts sitting behind an open guitar case (and me not doing anything -- this is the computer's show). Plus I am about in Nick Drake territory when it comes to getting up in front of people and being musical. There are few places a guy can get paid for wetting himself, and those places I try to avoid. I've considered cafepress. And I have had very pleasant experiences with them as a consumer, so you never know.... I REALLY like the idea of approaching local used CD shops (I give them enough business, maybe it's time for some quid pro quo as it were). Excellent idea! Now I just have to figure out how to get Garage Band installed on my non-DVD drived iMac. This is software that could keep me busy for YEARS! Again, thanks for all the suggestions on- and off-list. I truly appreciate the creative minds of Fegs. Now, if you will excuse me, I am off to Neko Case's birthplace to keep an appointment with her cryogenic insemination team. Scott - -- ========= When Air National Guard absentee George W. Bush dressed up in Cruise's "Top Gun" costume and used the USS Abraham Lincoln as a giant, nuclear-powered strap-on, that was as brazen an exhibition of cross-dressing as there's ever been. -- Mark Simpson SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:35:07 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Jan 6, 2004, at 9:31 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > Oh, and the iTunes Music Store will now list the Billboard charts back > to > 1946, with purchase links to most of the tracks. Something that might > appeal to this list. I'm wondering which Feg has spent more than $20,000 at the iTunes store. - - Steve __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:37:51 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Christmas reap disks, plus reading >James: >>>I kinda like the rare minor chord carols, like "God rest ye merry, >>>gentlemen", which would sound good sung by RH. The only other >>>minor-chord carol I can think of is "We three kings" > >Throw in "Carol of the Bells", "Patapan", "Lullay My Liking", "Bye Bye >Thou Little Tiny Child"... hey, that's kind of a lot. And that weird >Britten stuff, who knows what kind of key those are in. hm. never heard of any of them. Still, since I'd guess over 1/3 of all hymns are minor key, to only find half a dozen minor carols is still gonna push statistical significance levels. >From: Capuchin >Give away the disks to get people to come to your liveshows. Make your >money back by performing. you're kidding, right? If I'd done that with a *cassette* release seven years ago, I'd still be paying off the money I spent on it. >And Bob Monkhouse carked it recently too... yeah, well, that reap was reported here. On an unrelated note, I'm currently reading a very intriguing book I got for Christmas called "The unknown Paul McCartney". Seems that macca has been making experimental music under a variety of pseudonyms over the years, much of which is far more interesting than his more public musical face... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:28:14 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > > > > I assume this thing just comes up as a USB mass storage device? > > (And that'd be USB 2.0, yeah?) > > Because, golly... that's some really cheap, small portable storage. It does come up as an external hard drive, USB 2.0 or FireWire. But I think this iPod mini is a fucking joke. Not much bigger in dimensions, only $50 yet 11 gigs more is the iPod. I have no idea who the hell would want the mini one. Maybe the people I see around NY who think the iPod is more of an accessory or fashion statement than a music player. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:29:48 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: Black out the windows I've been looking for this, anyone know where I might be able to find it? I heard about it on NPR and have been pining for it ever since. I don't have ANY Richard Thompson, used to have Rumor and Sigh on cassette, quite a while ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Grunty DaWarthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:07:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > > > > > > > I assume this thing just comes up as a USB mass storage device? > > > > (And that'd be USB 2.0, yeah?) > > > > Because, golly... that's some really cheap, small portable storage. > > It does come up as an external hard drive, USB 2.0 or FireWire. OK, so there's something funny going on because a USB 2.0 flash drive (like a keychain thumb drive or something) is over $500 for 2GB. > But I think this iPod mini is a fucking joke. Not much bigger in > dimensions, only $50 yet 11 gigs more is the iPod. I have no idea who > the hell would want the mini one. Maybe the people I see around NY who > think the iPod is more of an accessory or fashion statement than a music > player. OK, so there's half an inch off each side of the thing and about a third off the weight. Is there a difference in the memory technology used in the iPod versus the iPod Mini? Like, does one use a microdrive and the other use flash memory? And if so, doesn't that translate into huge differences in durability as well as power consumption (as well as easily accounting for the weight difference)? I'm more inclined to go for the flash memory model than something with moving parts. I know some of y'all bitch about only getting the 20GB model or whatever, but think carrying around 50 albums of music or something like 4,000 hours of spoken material is plenty. (OK, maybe the 40GB would be nice for keeping a Knoppix disk image or a few feature film DiVXs, but I haven't been in too many situations where that would be worth the extra troubles. -- Oooh... has anybody put a bootable disk image on an iPod? Now THAT would be interesting.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > Among SJ's MacWorld San Francisco announcements: > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > And oh yeah, why doesn't this thing play OGG yet? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:17:40 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > Is there a difference in the memory technology used in the iPod versus the > iPod Mini? Like, does one use a microdrive and the other use flash > memory? No, they are all both hard drive based. Now doesn't it look like a joke? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:18:05 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > Among SJ's MacWorld San Francisco announcements: > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > > > > And oh yeah, why doesn't this thing play OGG yet? Come on, Jeme, you know the answer to that. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:04:09 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Black out the windows At 12:29 AM 1/7/2004 -0500, Grunty wrote: > > >I've been looking for this, anyone know where I might be able to find it? >I heard about it on NPR and have been pining for it ever since. >I don't have ANY Richard Thompson, used to have Rumor and Sigh on cassette, >quite a while ago. >Any help would be greatly appreciated! >Grunty DaWarthawg >gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net You can get it through his web site at http://www.richardthompson-music.com/ Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > > Among SJ's MacWorld San Francisco announcements: > > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > > > > > > > And oh yeah, why doesn't this thing play OGG yet? > > Come on, Jeme, you know the answer to that. Um, I don't, actually. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > Is there a difference in the memory technology used in the iPod versus the > > iPod Mini? Like, does one use a microdrive and the other use flash > > memory? > > No, they are all both hard drive based. Now doesn't it look like a > joke? Where did you find that? I thought I looked over the information pretty thoroughly. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:06:37 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > Among SJ's MacWorld San Francisco announcements: > > > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" > > > > > > > > > > And oh yeah, why doesn't this thing play OGG yet? > > > > Come on, Jeme, you know the answer to that. > > Um, I don't, actually. DRM. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:08:59 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: > > No, they are all both hard drive based. Now doesn't it look like a > > joke? > > Where did you find that? I thought I looked over the information pretty > thoroughly. http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:18:58 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple announcements - --On Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2004 9:06 Uhr -0500 Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: >> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ken Weingold wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: >> > > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Tom Clark wrote: >> > > > Among SJ's MacWorld San Francisco announcements: >> > > > Tiny 4GB "iPod mini" >> > > > >> > > >> > > And oh yeah, why doesn't this thing play OGG yet? >> > >> > Come on, Jeme, you know the answer to that. >> >> Um, I don't, actually. > > DRM. I don't think that's the only reason, because MP3 doesn't use DRM, either. To me it's just this: if you have MP3 and AAC, why do you need anything else? I'm perfectly happy with that. YMMV. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:20:16 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: question for the musical Fegs >Tom Clark wrote: > >on 1/5/04 4:11 PM, Scott Hunter McCleary at shmac@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> I'm about a week away from having a completed CD. Five years ago, I >> used mp3.com for distribution of my last disc and it worked pretty >> well. Since mp3.com may or may not be out of commission permanently >> (it's been absorbed and frankly I don't hold out much hope of it ever >> coming back), I'm wondering how other Fegs handle homemade CD >> distribution. I'm not ruling out doing a PayPal thing and doing the >> shipping and handling thing myself (I do have a couple kids I could >> put to work on fulfillment), and have been searching the past week >> through a lot of sites that do about what mp3.com did, but I wonder >> if I'm not missing something (or ignoring some otherwise painfully >> obvious method). I'm burning these myself -- at least at the outset >> -- and I don't anticipate this thing going platinum or anything, but >> I would like to at least make back the $80 it's cost me so far. > >I haven't used them for cd's, but cafepress has an interesting looking >service: >http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/cds.aspx > >- -tc Fromer mp3.com ambient artist Kit Watkins has switched to cafepress: www.cafeshops.com/kitwatkins/194858 The reason I mention it is that he has gone the interesting route of allowing the customer to decide whether or not to pay 4 extra bucks for the artwork and jewel box. So I thought his was a better sample site than the one that cafepress points you to. His discs are $1 more than they were on mp3.com if you want the artwork, otherwise they are $3 less. (Although his $13.98 price for CDs on mp3.com probably the highest price I saw there.) My favorite Kit Watkins disc, Circle, is not yet available there or I would recommend it to people looking for new age music that doesn't suck. Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:42:48 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Wed, Jan 7, 2004, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >DRM. > > I don't think that's the only reason, because MP3 doesn't use DRM, either. > To me it's just this: if you have MP3 and AAC, why do you need anything > else? I'm perfectly happy with that. YMMV. Well here's my take on it. I'm sure you are right in that it's not the ONLY reason, but most of it. The iPod came out in 2001? It supported I guess MP3, AIFF, and WAV I guess. MP3 was the majority of ripped and downloaded music by far. I have nothing to back this up, but I would guess over 90%? In order for Apple to get in the good graces of the music industry and put that "RIP-MIX-BURN" campaign behind them, they needed music with DRM from that point on. That would be either AAC or WMA. OGG has no place in any of this. I respect it, but am not surprised at all that the iPod doesn't support, nor do I ever expect it will. AFAIK there is only one portable player that does, the iRiver. Just my take, but I think that's pretty much how it is. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 9:52:47 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Apple announcements Ken wrote: > > But I think this iPod mini is a fucking joke. I think we'll see a rash of new, discontinued 10GB iPods on eBay for reasonable prices. Me, I was holding out for a 2GB cheaper model. Oh well, guess I'll be buying a Creative Nomad Zen Jukebox. > Maybe the people I see around NY > who think the iPod is more of an accessory or > fashion statement than a > music player. That's certainly how I see many of them being worn here in TO. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:02:03 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Jan 7, 2004, at 12:17 AM, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2004, Capuchin wrote: >> Is there a difference in the memory technology used in the iPod >> versus the >> iPod Mini? Like, does one use a microdrive and the other use flash >> memory? > > No, they are all both hard drive based. Now doesn't it look like a > joke? How much does 4GB of flash memory cost, in quantity? I read that 2GB costs more than the $100.00 that was widely projected for the cost of the whole player. The "lite" 2GB microdrives announced Monday cost $70.00 in lots of 100,000 (iirc) and they hope to get them down to $50.00 eventually. And Apple does like to maintain its margins. - - Steve __________ God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. - George Bush, as related to Harretz by Mahmoud Abbas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:04:15 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple announcements On Wed, Jan 7, 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Maybe the people I see around NY who think the iPod is more of an > > accessory or fashion statement than a music player. > > That's certainly how I see many of them being worn here in TO. Best example I ever saw was on the subway one day. Sorry if I already mentioned this one day, but it was hilarious. I was sitting down observing this whole thing. Geeky unattractive guy is sitting near me listening to his iPod, of course with the white earphones. Very attractive woman gets on the train and stands by the door, to the other side of me. Becomes obvious she's using an iPod as well. White earphones, remote clipped on the edge of her bag. Guy notices this, and all of a sudden takes his out and starts fiddling with it, periodically glancing over and the woman, hoping she would notice him and they'd have some sort of encounter. No chance. She never looked over in his direction. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:09:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Apple announcements on 1/7/04 6:42 AM, Ken Weingold at bofh@unix.vi wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2004, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >>> DRM. >> >> I don't think that's the only reason, because MP3 doesn't use DRM, either. >> To me it's just this: if you have MP3 and AAC, why do you need anything >> else? I'm perfectly happy with that. YMMV. > > In order for Apple to get in the good > graces of the music industry and put that "RIP-MIX-BURN" campaign > behind them, they needed music with DRM from that point on. That > would be either AAC or WMA. OGG has no place in any of this. > > Just my take, but I think that's pretty much how it is. > > I think you're reading way too much into it. Obviously none of us can speak definitively on the subject, but my answer is "why should it?" I don't really care one way or the other, but looking at it from a product development standpoint, why waste engineering resources to implement and test OGG software when you've already got proven support for two widely popular CODECs? When you're trying to get a product like the iPod out the door as quickly as possible, you don't fart around trying to satisfy every niche market. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:14:01 -0000 From: "Melissa" Subject: weather report (RH content) spotted by a friend http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50970-2004Jan2.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:48:47 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: tenor gee-tars >Whoa, weird! I just did a little looking around and couldn't find an >example of the Les Paul Tenor, but I DID find a Tenor SG, with a Bigsby >tremolo bar, no less... a very odd looking thing to see. When I saw Neko, she had a tenor SG which she said was custom-made for her. >If memory serves, Nat asked Neko about the tenor and she pretty much said >she favored it because she has small hands and likes the fact that the >neck's not as wide. I just mention this because it sounds sort of dirty. She also said she was "too impatient" to learn to play a six-string, and she liked the tenor guitar's "dulcimer-like" sound. My friend Jane recently found a tenor guitar on eBay which was being sold as a short-scale bass. n. _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger  learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:20:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Since the Soft Boys reunion was such a cash cow.... Wow! Mission of Burma has signed to record a new album for Matador, tentatively to be released in May. Exciting news. Martin Swope is not participating, however. I can translate this into computer-geek speak if you like.... MoB has signed to burn a new CD for Matador (distributed by ADA), tentatively to be released in 5/04. Exciting news. MS is not participating, however. No word on how many gigs the album is, or which format might be best for storing it. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:33:27 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Since the Soft Boys reunion was such a cash cow.... On Wed, Jan 7, 2004, Eb wrote: > Mission of Burma has signed to record a new album for Matador, > tentatively to be released in May. Exciting news. Wow indeed. Speaking of which, they are playing in NY on the 17th. I caught the NY show on the initial reunion tour totally by chance. I happened to be walking by the club and got in right before they went on. Fucking amazing show, too. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:19:58 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Quite a bill http://www.tibethouse.org/programs/special.html _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:41:21 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Deni with Robyn Hitchcock on Friday night. - ----- Forwarded message from Deni Bonet ----- Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:31:48 -0800 From: "Deni Bonet" Subject: Deni with Robyn Hitchcock on Friday night. To: woj@smoe.org X-Mailer: DreamHost Mailing Lists Happy New Year to you all. Just a quick message to let you know that I'll be sitting in with Robyn Hitchcock on his first show at Maxwell's in Hoboken this Friday night, January 9th starting at 7:30. Hope to see you there! Deni PS Maxwell's address is 1039 Washington St. in Hoboken, NJ. ................................................................ - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V13 #5 ******************************