From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #467 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 19 2003 Volume 12 : Number 467 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cat Purr ["cmb adams" ] re: obscure Detroit bands, continued [Johnathan Vail ] RE: obscure Detroit bands, continued ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Lanegan ["Fortissimo" ] Re: Lanegan [Eb ] The greatest week in rock history [steve ] Re: The greatest week in rock history ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: ROTK Question ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: ROTK Question ["Jason R. Thornton" ] New RH bit torrent at sharingthegroove.org ["Christopher Carville" ] Re: The greatest week in rock history [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:09 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: Re: Cat Purr On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:50:35 +1300, James Dignan wrote > >>> YOU ARE CAT POWER FREE > >>>When I see it, I always think "Why yes, I *am* Cat Power-free!" > > > >That's up there with Depeche Mode / Enjoy the Silence, and Paula Abduul / > >Shut Up and Dance. There's other ones, but fuhhhh. > > one of the better reviews I've seen was to Led Zep's "The song > remains the same". The review read: "About time they got a new one". > > I also note that care was taken with Shania Twain's most recent > album to make sure its name went after hers, and not the other way round. ah, reminds me of my one-line review of that Roger Waters album _Amused to Death_: something there is that doesn't love a Wall. what a shame that that thing isn't Roger Waters. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:52 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: re: obscure Detroit bands, continued Isn't Iggy Pop obscurely from Detroit? jv <- email easier than google. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:27:32 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: obscure Detroit bands, continued Jonathon wrote: >Isn't Iggy Pop obscurely from Detroit? Iggy is from Ann Arbor. As is Bob Seger. Michael B. NP Wilco A.M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:38:35 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: re: obscure Detroit bands, continued On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:52 -0500, "Johnathan Vail" said: > Isn't Iggy Pop obscurely from Detroit? Either Ann Arbor (as Michael said) or...Ypsilanti? (Really, I'm posting this primarily to get the word "Ypsilanti" in the feg archives. Natalie will, I'm sure, have fond memories of avoiding Ypsilanti in her past...) - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:57:08 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: obscure Detroit bands, continued On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:47:52 -0500, "Johnathan Vail" said: >> Isn't Iggy Pop obscurely from Detroit? >Either Ann Arbor (as Michael said) or...Ypsilanti? They are right next to one another. Ypsi is more blue collar. Eastern Michigan University is located in Ypsi. The EMU teams were the Hurons, but they switched to the Eagles. Oddly enough, the Huron tribe didn't care for the switch as they were not offended. Central Michigan U. has kept the Chippewa name, thank you very much! Michael B. NP Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:15:08 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: A Very Merry Genocide. I mean, Christmas. Jeme: >>I cannot imagine how hurting one more person makes things better. See, this is how I generally think about things, too... I am quite the pacificist at heart, utterly opposed to the death penalty, the whole nine yards. And when there are mechanisms (and time) in place to decide what's to happen to a criminal, then no, I don't see that hurting the criminal helps the victims. But Jeme... hasn't anyone ever pissed you off to the point where you just wanna fucking deck them? And maybe not feel all that bad about it later? Because if not (and you occasionally make it sound like such an impulse is completely alien to you), you really are truly more evolved beyond some basic vestigial animal characteristics that the rest of us humans have proven unable to shake. I'm a nice guy. I'm a negotiator when tempers get hot. But I've had to take action a time or two, and I've lost my temper occasionally, and you know what? I've just had to forgive myself for being human, and stuck with some outdated but deeply ingrained instincts. Honestly I've dropped off reading this thread too closely, but I thought the above might be instructive as to the ongoing question of "tone"... it's an example of how Jeme's arguments are worthy of consideration sociopolitically, but somehow hard to extricate from his personal viewpoints which seem to assume an unassailable moral high ground. Dunno. I'm just the guy in the plumbing shop. JeFFrey: >>Might as well discuss abortion while we're at it. Great idea! I'll heat up the fondue pot!* - -Rex *no, that doesn't mean anything. Really. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:14:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Lanegan Considering that I've been a Screaming Trees fan ever since their obscure first album, it's strange that before last night, I had only seen Mark Lanegan twice onstage: once with Screaming Trees years ago (opening for Redd Kross), and more recently, guesting with Queens of the Stone Age. I can't imagine why I didn't see the Trees at least twice more. I do recall missing a solo Lanegan show at the Knitting Factory a year or so ago, and regretting it. Last night, I finally saw Lanegan again. It was at the plush El Rey Theater (http://www.theelrey.com/images/main.jpg), which is always a great place to see bands. The mixer board has added a giant new Mac monitor since I last visited, and it's interesting to peek around the sound guy and see the colorful soundwave pattern of the whole set (every show is apparently recorded), the set's precise duration and the like. I unfortunately arrived too early. The doors opened at 8pm -- who knew there wouldn't be any music until 9:45pm? So, I had about a hour to kill, and El Rey doesn't stock any magazines to skim. I actually dozed for a little bit, sitting around the ground against a wall. Also ran into an old music-biz friend whom I hadn't talked to in years. Now in radio promotion at Interscope. The first band was Enemy (originally billed to start at 9:15), and they were slightly more imaginative than their generic name. Not much to say...a bruising power trio with influences from grunge and classic-rock. Well-performed and good visuals, but the material didn't grab me much. I gather that their CD is self-released, and it seemed as if this booking was only based on a personal connection with Lanegan. Lanegan started about 10:40. He had four players with him, including a slumming Greg Dulli (Afghan Whigs, Twilight Singers) on keyboard and wafting cigarette. Dulli left after the first several songs, then returned for the encore (he vocal-dueted with Lanegan on the final tune, which I couldn't identify). I didn't catch who else was in the band, but the merchandise table was selling Caustin Resin discs so that's probably a clue. Lanegan was very slim, and with shorter hair than in his Trees days. He never played an instrument, and scarcely varied from the same posture throughout the show: face buried behind the microphone, one hand high on the mic stand and one hand low. His face is most peculiar. With this style of Jim Morrison-esque performer, you might expect him to have his eyes soulfully closed throughout the show. This wasn't the case, but I almost wish it was. Lanegan has such a strange array of squints, grimaces and tics that he's actually hard to watch. His eyes don't focus quite right. It's as if he's contorting his face repeatedly, hoping to pop them back into alignment. I kept thinking of a trim, rock-star version of wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Honest to God. Lanegan never spoke, except when introducing the band just before the final encore with Dulli. He never smiled either, nor did the rest of his relentlessly somber bandmates. For whatever reason, this review is fraught with visual aids. http://onewhiskey.com/splash2/splash2a.jpg http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/4836/jimdugga.jpg But...there's no denying that Lanegan still has a fantastic voice. It's so full and deep, it just sucks the whole room into its wake. So, regardless of his lack of visual charisma, the voice was always on target. The main problem with the show wasn't its intense cheerlessness, but the limited vocabulary of the songs. Lanegan seems to write every tune within the same lumbering, Western-corral-gone-grunge style, and while he's welcome to spin half-speed "Ghost Riders in the Sky" variations as much as he likes, he's bound to lose my attention after awhile. Put it more technically: If he's only writing in the key of E minor (and for all I know, he might be), I suspect you could fit the bulk of last night's material into some lazy permutation of the Em, G, Am, D and B chords. Almost every tune had that same feel of "riding" one fat minor chord, shifting away for drama and then returning. Maybe three songs were in a major key, and the novelty was immediately striking. Some variance in the arrangements might have helped. I kept thinking "How about a harmonica? How about some slide guitar?" Such extra flavors would have been a relief. Thin White Rope did it so much better, even if they lacked a singer with an emotional persona as developed as Lanegan's. The set was a solid 75 minutes or so, and the house was quite full. Given that Lanegan has never broken out as a legitimate "star" like some other Seattle peers, I can only attribute this support to the Queens of the Stone Age connection. It was a well-performed, intelligent show. Just a bit drab. Humorous sidelight: Standing near the front between the Enemy and Lanegan sets, I had to endure an *exasperatingly* dull conversation in front of me. Two thirtyish guys got sucked into an exhaustive Beatles discussion, and I was silently groaning through just about every tired Fab Four topic you can imagine. The one guy was more informed about the group than the other, and he was confidently lecturing his pal about how, you know, there was this "Paul is dead" hoax for awhile...you can find the clues in the albums...oh, and Let It Be was actually recorded *before* Abbey Road...he likes Beatles for Sale "a lot"...Paul's actually a really great bass player...yeah, Sgt. Pepper was trying to top Pet Sounds, after Pet Sounds tried to top Rubber Soul...it's really a shame they had to break up.... On and on it went. He moved onto the Stones and Beach Boys, saying he really liked the Beach Boys album after Pet Sounds (you know, the one with "Good Vibrations") but he couldn't remember the title...oh, and the Stones once did this psychedelic album which originally had a weird 3D cover, and you can actually find hidden photos of the Beatles amongst the flowers.... GAWD! Maestro, take me away! Eb, off to run now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:47:42 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Re: Lanegan On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:14:17 -0800, "Eb" said: > Humorous sidelight: Standing near the front between the Enemy and > Lanegan sets, I had to endure an *exasperatingly* dull conversation > in front of me. Two thirtyish guys got sucked into an exhaustive > Beatles discussion, and I was silently groaning through just about > every tired Fab Four topic you can imagine. The one guy was more > informed about the group than the other, and he was confidently > lecturing his pal about how, you know, there was this "Paul is dead" > hoax for awhile...you can find the clues in the albums...oh, and Let > It Be was actually recorded *before* Abbey Road...he likes Beatles > for Sale "a lot"...Paul's actually a really great bass player...yeah, > Sgt. Pepper was trying to top Pet Sounds, after Pet Sounds tried to > top Rubber Soul...it's really a shame they had to break up.... On and > on it went. He moved onto the Stones and Beach Boys, saying he really > liked the Beach Boys album after Pet Sounds (you know, the one with > "Good Vibrations") but he couldn't remember the title...oh, and the > Stones once did this psychedelic album which originally had a weird > 3D cover, and you can actually find hidden photos of the Beatles > amongst the flowers.... GAWD! Maestro, take me away! I believe Mick Jagger once wrote the apropos line..."What a drag it is getting old..." That is, the conversation was boring to you (as it would have been to me) because *you know all that*. Had it been about, oh, I dunno, a fairly detailed discussion about Frank Sinatra's recordings in the 1950s (assuming you didn't know all about them - and that a Sinatra fan would), it might have been interesting. But the main thing is (I'm gathering you're not 19...) that people of my age and a bit younger who are fans of certain types of music inevitably (unless they're expatriate Scotsmen named "Stewart") wind up knowing and liking the Beatles quite well. Of course, you didn't actually say these folks were younger than you - but somehow I got the definite impression they were. Ypsilanti! - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:59:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Lanegan >Of course, you didn't actually say these folks were younger than you - >but somehow I got the definite impression they were. Uhh...I didn't get a great look at them since I was standing behind them, but they looked of a similar age. Actually, the less-knowledgeable one looked older than the blabbermouth. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:05:20 -0600 From: steve Subject: The greatest week in rock history That's why, for me, Dec. 20, 1969, represents rock's summit: No. 1, "Abbey Road," the Beatles No. 2, "Led Zeppelin II," Led Zeppelin No. 3, "Tom Jones Live in Las Vegas," Tom Jones No. 4, "Green River," Creedence Clearwater Revival No. 5, "Let It Bleed," the Rolling Stones No. 6, "Santana," Santana No. 7, "Puzzle People," the Temptations No. 8, "Blood Sweat & Tears," Blood Sweat & Tears No. 9, "Crosby, Stills & Nash," Crosby, Stills & Nash No. 10, "Easy Rider" soundtrack (featuring the Byrds, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and Steppenwolf) - - Steve __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:21:43 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The greatest week in rock history steve wrote: > > No. 10, "Easy Rider" soundtrack (featuring the > Byrds, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and > Steppenwolf) hey, and the Holy Modal Rounders too! (though it's not their greatest track) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: ROTK Question I saw ROTK. Liked it. I keep reading reviews and stories about the making of the movie and it states that Vigo was not their original choice for the king. He came in on the second day of filming replacing the previous actor. Who was the previous actor?? MIke ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:59:07 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: ROTK Question It was Stuart Townsend. Apparently, PJ kept trying to get him to look more worn and you know, older and it just wasn't happening (at least this is the story as I heard it) so quite late, after filming had already started -- they re-cast the role. Sumi >>> Mike Swedene 12/19/03 10:53AM >>> I saw ROTK. Liked it. I keep reading reviews and stories about the making of the movie and it states that Vigo was not their original choice for the king. He came in on the second day of filming replacing the previous actor. Who was the previous actor?? MIke ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:52 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: ROTK Question At 08:53 AM 12/19/2003 -0800, Mike Swedene wrote: >Who was the previous actor?? Stuart Townsend (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0870204/) according to the www.imdb.com trivia page on Fellowship: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120737/trivia - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:56:03 -0500 From: "Christopher Carville" Subject: New RH bit torrent at sharingthegroove.org Hi- Now available at STG http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28218 This is a really nice recording, with interesting filler. I will host through the weekend. Pleae keep your windows open. Anyone else have recent tour recordings that they would like to share? Thanks to Stefan! C Robyn Hitchcock Johnny D's, Somerville, Mass. October 30, 2003 Core Sound Binaurals > Sony D8 (FOB) CDR mastering: Sony PCM300 > optical > Tascam CDRW700 encoding: cdr>eac(secure)>shn(mkw compression tool) Disc One: 1. intro 2. I'm Only You 3. I've Got the Hots 4. talk 5. Chinese Bones 6. Balloon Man 7. Ghost in You 8. When I Was Dead 9. My Wife and my Dead Wife 10. talk 11. Queen Elvis 12. You Remind Me of You 13. Uncorrected Personality Traits 14. Heaven (minor left mic dropout) 15. Keep Finding Me 16. Sleeping with Your Devil Mask 17. Full Moon in My Soul Disc Two: - -encore- 1. The Sound of Sound 2. I Often Dream of Trains 3. La Cherite 4. talk 5. Goodnight I Say filler: Newbury Comics, Cambridge, Mass. April 8, 1995 (Sony D6 analog aud > cass > cass > CDR) 6. Bass 7. Ghost Ship 8. Wide Open Star 9. Mr. Rock'n'Roll > What Goes On 10. Open the Door, Richard (w/Deni Bonet) 11.Egyptian Cream 12. De Chirico Street 13. I Something You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:16:04 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Song query Excuse my ignorance, but I don't recognize "Full Moon In My Soul" from RH's recent tour. Is it new? A Cover? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The greatest week in rock history >That's why, for me, Dec. 20, 1969, represents rock's summit: > >No. 1, "Abbey Road," the Beatles >No. 2, "Led Zeppelin II," Led Zeppelin >No. 3, "Tom Jones Live in Las Vegas," Tom Jones >No. 4, "Green River," Creedence Clearwater Revival >No. 5, "Let It Bleed," the Rolling Stones >No. 6, "Santana," Santana >No. 7, "Puzzle People," the Temptations >No. 8, "Blood Sweat & Tears," Blood Sweat & Tears >No. 9, "Crosby, Stills & Nash," Crosby, Stills & Nash >No. 10, "Easy Rider" soundtrack (featuring the Byrds, the Jimi >Hendrix Experience, and Steppenwolf) > > Silly. I'm sure you could find some other week from the '60s which is equally or more impressive. Any week with Tom Jones in the top three can't be the "Greatest Week in Rock History." I only own half those albums. What's possibly funnier: Another mailing list touted the same article, adding a mention of an accompanying piece which claims September, 1989 featured the *worst* week: No. 1 "Repeat Offender," Richard Marx No. 2. "Hangin' Tough," NKOTB No. 3. "Batman" soundtrack No. 4. "Forever Your Girl," Paula Abdul No. 5. "Girl You Know It's True," Milli Vanilli No. 6. "Full Moon Fever," Tom Petty No. 7. "Skid Row" Skid Row. No. 8. "The Raw and the Cooked," Fine Young Cannibals No. 9. "Cuts Both Ways" Gloria Estefan No. 10. "End of Innocence," Don Henley Heh. Some awfully nice hair on that list, however (save Roland Gift). Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #467 ********************************