From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #457 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 10 2003 Volume 12 : Number 457 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: looking for jobs [Christopher Gross ] Re: looking for jobs ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: looking for jobs [Michael R Godwin ] Fwd: Re: Regional conflicts ["Fortissimo" ] Working for the Weakened ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: films and missed opportunities [Devin Lee Ens ] RE: Working for the Weakened ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Working for the Weakened ["Iosso, Ken" ] RE: Working for the Weakened [John Barrington Jones ] Re:looking for jobs ["ross taylor" ] RE: looking for jobs ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] Re: Working for the Weakened [Tom Clark ] Re: Working for the Weakened [Steve Talkowski ] RE: Working for the Weakened ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Working for the Weakened [Miles Goosens ] McOi (fwd) [bayard ] Kinks work songs [Jill Brand ] Re: Working for the Weakened [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard [Miles Goosens Subject: RE: looking for jobs > > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any > > ideas? (I have > > a few, yes...) The first one that comes to my mind is Beck's "Soul Suckin Jerk." (Sorry if it's already been mentioned.) I'm sure a lot of old hardcore punk songs would fit the bill too; how about MDC's "I Hate Work" for instance? - --Chris np: Amorphis, "Divinity" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:23:14 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: looking for jobs At 04:55 AM 12/10/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >Uh... Depeche Mode's Work Hard... Also by Depeche Mode: Pipeline, and Everything Counts (...a career...). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:12:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Brian wrote: > I can think of a couple more TMBG tunes too. What the one on Apollo 18 > where the back up vocals go: work work work work.... ? Dunno. But there is definitely a backing vocal which goes "Work - and work, Work - and work" in Car Wash, by Rose Royce. And the Blue Oyster Cult's fine arrangement of the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" has a backing vocal buildup to the chorus which goes (IIRC) We've got to work (I know he's been workin so hard) We've got to work (Yeah every day babe) We've got to work (I've been workin too babe) We've got to work and work and work and work (Waaah!) Chorus It's on 'Some enchanted evening'. - - Mike "daylight come and me wanna go home" Godwin PS Did Men at Work ever do any songs about it? n.p. Son House: John the Revelator ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:33:40 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: Fwd: Re: Regional conflicts > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:28:37 -0800 (PST), "Capuchin" > said: > > > December seven and seven December are both common. I don't know why > > folks > > like Chris and Miles claim to have never heard it. Could be that folks > > in > > the East are more limited in their date expressions. > > I rarely hear either of those as well (here in the Midwest). > > > It seems to me like saying "December the seventh" is totally > > nongrammatical and nonsensical. It's like an back assward shorthand for > > "the seventh of December", but leaving out the words that convey any > > relationship between the day and the month. It's not December the > > Seventh > > in the same sense that a man was once, say, Henry the Eighth. > > Of course - but language isn't a logic operation. It evolves > historically, and what communicates isn't always what's logical. You kn > bi laik Dzhordzh B. Shau and spel evrythyng fnetykli, but yr wrdz wyl bi > mch hardr for pipl t rid. > > > > it be 12/08/03? What's so confusing a bout 12/8? Anyone reading that > > > as the eightieth of December? If not, why else have that zero in there? > > > > As some people already pointed out, most people would read that as the > > 12th of August. > > "Most people" in a global sense - but the American convention (as you're > surely aware) is to put the month first. Brits do it the other way; other > people, I don't know. Yeah, it would make sense to move from larger to > smaller units - and it's acceptable in most contexts to do the reverse, > and write "10 December 2003" - but again, language isn't logical. > > > "December 7 2003" because they make no sense. > > The test of that is how many people are confused by what date that would > indicate. I'd guess that would be a near-zero number. > > > ...Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - > :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:08:38 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Working for the Weakened JeFFrey: >>For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, >>occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have >>a few, yes...) Must have: "Slack Motherfucker", Superchunk Talking Heads were mentioned, but I haven't seen "Found A Job" yet... also several TMBG references but no "Minimum Wage"? For shame. "God Damn Job", The Replacements "Daysleeper", REM (for the "UP"-friendly) "Sony", Big Audio Dynamite "Funky Boss", Beastie Boys "Legal Man", Belle & Sebastian (only B&S song I really like) "Taxman", the Jam (no, wait... I mean Cheap Trick) "Ask for Jill", dB's (receptionist) "Confusion the Waitress", Underworld "Keep On Working", Pete "thanks Michael Jackson for taking the heat off" Townshend "Why She's a Girl from a Chain Store", Buzzcocks "Jeweler", This Mortal Coil "Lonely Financial Zone", "Government Center", Jonathan Richman "Sixteen Tons", Tennesse Ernie Ford et. al. Gawd, lots more. I seem to write a lot of these... I blame Ray Davies. Done tunes about waitresses, office workers, screenwriters, unspecified businesswomen, actresses, etc. And songwriters. Duh. ___ Aaron: >>the world's easiest job _ Wainwright, Rufus (Lolita Nation) Sounds intriguing... I'm gonna have to check this guy out! _____ Jeme: >>Are you really implying that the motion picture industry "got people >>used to" putting Region 1 discs into Region 2 players? People EXPECTED it >>to work and were shocked when it DIDN'T and it didn't because of special >>effort on the port of the motion picture industry. Right, there is some evil cartel action there, conceded, but I'm sort of stuck in a certain mental framework that muddies the issue for me. See, as a cog in the wheels of said industry, it sort of bypassed me that those regional things were engineered for a while because *I* did *not* expect it to work. My job is halfway about trying to reconcile old video master tapes in differing regional formats (PAL, NTSC, SECAM), which are stupidly incompatible not for cartel reasons (they were instituted due to a lack of communication or international standards back at a time when there was no selling "hard copies" of broadcast material). So me, I thought for a long time that those "Regions" were shorthand for existing incompatible formats. I still occasionally blank on the fact that they're not, since I think about this stuff mainly from a professional, not consumer, POV. I work with the source material, not in the mastering of stuff. And when I go home I'd just as soon not think about it, frankly. >>Oh, and I forgot to mention Frank Tovey's entire excellent album >>"Tyranny and the Hired Hand". >>That is, of course, if you like Fad Gadget doing folk. I don't know that I've ever heard Fad Gadget per se, but I love that album in and of itself. In that setting Tovey sounds damned Robynesque. But if you're going that route, get some damn Guthrie. Or at least Billy Bragg. - -Rex "only a prawn in their game" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:44:58 -0600 From: Devin Lee Ens Subject: Re: films and missed opportunities "Fortissimo" wrote: > > I think we'll just have to resign ourselves to the fact that North > Americans put the month first while others (which?) put the date first - > as long as you know which system is being used, it's not too confusing. > (And obviously a notation like "20/12/61" gives it away.) > Canadians put the date first, although many people tend to forget they're Canadian and spell colour "color", organise "organize", and put the month first. The media is only abetting this infiltration by foreign manners. devo pravda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:01:07 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Working for the Weakened JeFFrey: >>For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, >>occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have >>a few, yes...) Waitress..... Jane Siberry Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:01:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Regional conflicts > > > But non-North-Americans also say "seven December", whereas we would >> > always render that "the seventh of December". The different (and >> > seemingly contradictory) ways of saying dates surely results from the > > > equally conflicting ways of writing them. What I'll never understand is why French people apparently write all names with the last name in caps, a la "Robyn HITCHCOCK." Just seems to violate grammar protocol on the most basic level. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:08:53 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Working for the Weakened Van Morrison Title: I've Been Working Album: His Band and the Street Choir This song is my favorite song about working. It's also incredibly sexual. The double entendres are pretty great. Also of course, "Five O'Clock World" by the Vogues (Drew Carey theme). The Replacements "God Damned Job". Billy Bragg's "Wishing the Days Away" and his version of Woody Guthrie's "Hot Rod Hotel" (about someone who cleans up at a bordello) to name just a few. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Rex.Broome [mailto:Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:09 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Working for the Weakened JeFFrey: >>For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, >>occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have >>a few, yes...) Must have: "Slack Motherfucker", Superchunk Talking Heads were mentioned, but I haven't seen "Found A Job" yet... also several TMBG references but no "Minimum Wage"? For shame. "God Damn Job", The Replacements "Daysleeper", REM (for the "UP"-friendly) "Sony", Big Audio Dynamite "Funky Boss", Beastie Boys "Legal Man", Belle & Sebastian (only B&S song I really like) "Taxman", the Jam (no, wait... I mean Cheap Trick) "Ask for Jill", dB's (receptionist) "Confusion the Waitress", Underworld "Keep On Working", Pete "thanks Michael Jackson for taking the heat off" Townshend "Why She's a Girl from a Chain Store", Buzzcocks "Jeweler", This Mortal Coil "Lonely Financial Zone", "Government Center", Jonathan Richman "Sixteen Tons", Tennesse Ernie Ford et. al. Gawd, lots more. I seem to write a lot of these... I blame Ray Davies. Done tunes about waitresses, office workers, screenwriters, unspecified businesswomen, actresses, etc. And songwriters. Duh. ___ Aaron: >>the world's easiest job _ Wainwright, Rufus (Lolita Nation) Sounds intriguing... I'm gonna have to check this guy out! _____ Jeme: >>Are you really implying that the motion picture industry "got people >>used to" putting Region 1 discs into Region 2 players? People EXPECTED it >>to work and were shocked when it DIDN'T and it didn't because of special >>effort on the port of the motion picture industry. Right, there is some evil cartel action there, conceded, but I'm sort of stuck in a certain mental framework that muddies the issue for me. See, as a cog in the wheels of said industry, it sort of bypassed me that those regional things were engineered for a while because *I* did *not* expect it to work. My job is halfway about trying to reconcile old video master tapes in differing regional formats (PAL, NTSC, SECAM), which are stupidly incompatible not for cartel reasons (they were instituted due to a lack of communication or international standards back at a time when there was no selling "hard copies" of broadcast material). So me, I thought for a long time that those "Regions" were shorthand for existing incompatible formats. I still occasionally blank on the fact that they're not, since I think about this stuff mainly from a professional, not consumer, POV. I work with the source material, not in the mastering of stuff. And when I go home I'd just as soon not thin! k about it, frankly. >>Oh, and I forgot to mention Frank Tovey's entire excellent album >>"Tyranny and the Hired Hand". >>That is, of course, if you like Fad Gadget doing folk. I don't know that I've ever heard Fad Gadget per se, but I love that album in and of itself. In that setting Tovey sounds damned Robynesque. But if you're going that route, get some damn Guthrie. Or at least Billy Bragg. - -Rex "only a prawn in their game" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: RE: Working for the Weakened On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Iosso, Ken wrote: > This song is my favorite song about working. It's also incredibly sexual. > The double entendres are pretty great. Also of course, "Five O'Clock World" > by the Vogues (Drew Carey theme). The Replacements "God Damned Job". Billy > Bragg's "Wishing the Days Away" and his version of Woody Guthrie's "Hot Rod > Hotel" (about someone who cleans up at a bordello) to name just a few. Your Billy Bragg mention brought to mind another of his worksongs: "St. Monday": I'm a hard worker but I ain't workin on a Monday Monday's still the weekend to me. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:53:58 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:looking for jobs I swore off list emails but I'm weak willed. At My Job -- Dead Kennedys Found a Job -- Talking Heads Career Opportunities -- Clash Call My Job -- Albert King Lost My Job -- Alex Chilton Job's Tears -- Incredible String Band -- no, drop that one Let's Work Together -- Canned Heat Birth School Work Death -- Godfathers Why Paddy Can't Come to Work Today -- Traditional Sixteen Tons -- Tennessee Ernie Ford Take This Job and Shove It -- Johnny Paycheck Earn Enough for Life -- XTC Step Into My Office, Baby -- Belle & Sebastian You Never Give Me Your Money -- Beatles Frankly, Mr. Shankley -- Smiths Here Comes the Weekend -- Dave Edmonds Welcome to the Working Week -- Elvis Costello Taking Care of Business -- Bachman Turner Overdrive 5:15 -- Who (if people remember the movie) A Secretary is Not A Toy -- Frank Loesser ("How To Succeed In Business w/out Really Trying") Government Center -- Modern Lovers Working for the Corporation -- M Factory Girl -- Rolling Stones I Don't Like Mondays -- Boomtown Rats -- no, that's school Maybe 1/4 of all rock songs? Ross Taylor Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:13:43 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: looking for jobs Grandaddy's "The Group Who Couldn't Say" is about office mates at a corporate "morale event". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re:looking for jobs ross taylor wrote: > Earn Enough for Life -- XTC Or even for _US_ ;) XTC also have: Making Plans for Nigel; Love on a Farmboy's Wages; Paper and Iron > I Don't Like Mondays -- Boomtown Rats -- no, that's > school Nah, that's about killing people!! ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:39:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Working for the Weakened I don't think anyone's mentioned "Workin' For A Living" by Huey Lewis & The News. - -tc, takin' what they're givin' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:54:23 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Working for the Weakened JeFFrey: > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? "Work" - Lou Reed and John Cale (off the wonderful "Songs for Drella") "Welcome to the Working Week" - who else but my #1 fave, Mr. Diana Krall, er, i mean Elvis Costello "Losing It" - Rush (I always find this passage inspirational...) "Some are born to move the world To live their fantasies But most of us just dream about The things we'd like to be Sadder still to watch it die Than never to have known it For you, the blind who once could see The bell tolls for thee..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:01:02 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Working for the Weakened Steve wrote: >"Welcome to the Working Week" - who else but my #1 fave, Mr. Diana >Krall, er, i mean Elvis Costello Speaking of which, they tied the knot this past weekend. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:35 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: King of Queens I know that several folks expressed incredulity earlier this year when I stumped for THE KING OF QUEENS as being a rare U.S. bastion of sitcom weirdness. Tonight's 9 PM EST rerun wouldn't be a bad place to judge for yourself: the main plot involves Doug (Kevin James) becoming obsessed with beating wife Carrie (Leah Remini) at ping-pong, and Carrie's father Arthur (Jerry Stiller), who lives with Doug and Carrie, playing ping-pong guru to Doug. The secondary plot (semi-regular Rachel Dratch of SNL in a twist of the classic Springer "I Hate Your Sexy Job!" trope) is OK, but most of the weirdness is in the usual Doug-Carrie-Arthur triangle. I mean, it's not as weird as the last years of NEWHART, or as surreal as THE YOUNG ONES or the 2nd year of the sadly ignored JOHN LARROQUETTE SHOW, but I still think it's a lot smarter and stranger than anyone ever seems to notice. Here's a sampling of some of my favorite plotlines: * Doug (Kevin James) experiencing insomnia when wife Carrie (Leah Remini) had to work long hours, but finding out that he sleeps like a baby when he dozes off with live-in father-in-law Arthur (Jerry Stiller) -- so Doug spends the rest of the episode inventing excuses to lure his father-in-law into bed. * The ongoing plot where Doug and Carrie have hired a dog walker to walk Arthur on a daily basis. * Doug and Carrie pick up the wrong family photos at the drugstore, and become obsessed with the lives of the couple in the photos, who appear to take exotic vacations, own pricey stuff, and engage in elaborately naughty bedroom behavior. They keep going back to the drugstore, but now give the clerk the other couple's surname so they can keep living vicariously through the other couple's pictures. * Carrie has to babysit her boss' four-year-old at work. Whenever no one else is looking, the child fondles Carrie's breasts. It's not a late-weaning sort of thing either; it's a gleefully lecherous fondle. * After Arthur falls and suffers an injury, Doug puts a surveillance camera in the basement and wires it into the TVs in the house to help them check up on Arthur. Unbeknownst to Doug, his friends discover the "Arthur" channel and become addicted to it. * Doug and Carrie get guilted into going to church -- but when they start getting the things they pray for (a raise, a pair of shoes to go on sale, a Jets victory), they get *very* busy with the prayin'! * My favorite, the one where Doug, Arthur, and Doug's best friend Deacon form a street gang. hear me now and believe me later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:22:24 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Working for the Weakened So I moved my "cast listing" stuff for my KING OF QUEENS post into the first paragraph, but forgot to remove that information from the third paragraph, which made moving it pointless. Oh well, at least you'll all be ready for JEOPARDY trivia questions about the show. Anyway... At 10:08 AM 12/10/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >JeFFrey: >>>For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, >>>occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have >>>a few, yes...) > >Must have: "Slack Motherfucker", Superchunk > >Gawd, lots more. I seem to write a lot of these... I blame Ray Davies. Speaking of Ray and must haves, I didn't think of it immediately since neither "job" nor "work" is in its title, but my must-have for this collection would have to be the Kinks' "Oklahoma USA," which is absolutely about work, and the first line of the refrain is what I'd peg for the comp title (of course, it's riffing on OKLAHOMA's "life's for livin'" theme): All life we work, but work is a bore If life's for livin', then what's livin' for? >"Confusion the Waitress", Underworld Did anyone mention "Kim the Waitress" yet? Or "Waitress in the Sky?" I didn't like DOWN WITH WILCO, but it's got "Dear Employer (the Reason I Quit)" and "Retrieval of You" (that "call me DJ Mini-Mart / 'cos that's where I work" part), both of which should fit. The Jam's "Smithers-Jones" captures a pretty crucial part of the employment experience. More to come, I'm sure. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: McOi (fwd) if y'all can helpo this gentleman, please contact himRobyn & Scott - -- You can always tell a really good idea by the enemies it makes. - programmers' axiom - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:51:14 +0200 From: ole.skjefte@nordea.no To: bayard@bitmine.net Subject: Robyn & Scott McOi Hi Bayard I'm both a Robyn and Scott McCaughey fan and I know that the guys had shows and record shop happenings together in Portland ( Nov 12 ) ans Seattle ( Nov 14 ). Do you anything about these shows, like setlists, if it was recorded and where to get scopies? Take care Ole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:50:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Kinks work songs I was thinking of a number of Kinks work-related songs that I don't think have been mentioned yet. Get Back in Line Situation Vacant Working in the Factory Video Shop Life on the Road (the difficult work life of a rock n roller) But wait, how could I forget all those songs on Soap Opera? Ordinary People Rush Hour Blues Nine to Five When Work is Over And there are songs tangentially related to work Most Exclusive Residence for Sale House in the Country All of My Friends Were There Sitting in My Hotel Second Hand Car Spiv (this may be a real work song, not just tangential) There are probably a whole lot more. Wow, Kinks mode! I haven't been there in a while. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:04:53 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Working for the Weakened On Dec 10, 2003, at 4:01 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Steve wrote: > >> "Welcome to the Working Week" - who else but my #1 fave, Mr. Diana >> Krall, er, i mean Elvis Costello > > Speaking of which, they tied the knot this past weekend. Er, was the inclusion of "Mr." not that obvious?? ;) And in Elton John's castle no less... (rolling eyes over here) http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031209/ NOTE09GTA-1//?query=elvis+costello Krall and Costello marry in London . . . Tuesday, December 9, 2003 Nanaimo, B.C.'s jazz chanteuse Diana Krall tied the knot with her beau of one year, Elvis Costello, in a wedding held at Elton John's castle outside London on Saturday night. The approximately 150 guests, who included Paul McCartney and Canada's consul general to New York, Pamela Wallin, were sworn to secrecy. Krall, 39, and Costello, 49, began dating last January after the Grammy Awards in New York. The two live in New York and on Vancouver Island. The marriage is the first for Krall. Costello's previous two marriages ended in divorce. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:09:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard At 05:11 PM 12/9/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Miles: >>>And not to play Rexian Contrarian, but I was really surprised to see how >>>many Amazon.com users stumped for both FIREFLY and DARK ANGEL >>>on FIREFLY's Amazon.com page. > >Especially since the hardcore DA crowd felt that their show was sacrificed >to Joss Whedon as a political move on Fox's part. If true, that must have been quite the passing fancy, given that they canned FIREFLY after only half a season. Usually networks give these "shows from producers of other current hit shows" sorta things much longer -- some examples being MILLENNIUM (from Chris Carter, three seasons), the awful LOVE & WAR (from MURPHY BROWN's Dianne English, two seasons), the even-worse GOOD MORNING MIAMI (from the WILL & GRACE team, currently in its second year). I dunno if it's true; I'm just sayin' that if Fox went to the trouble of committing a "political" move here, they sure didn't follow up on it. The theory also makes no sense from another standpoint: business-wise, who would you rather piss off in showbiz, James Cameron or Joss Whedon? I just can't envision a scenario where they'd screw blockbuster-producing Cameron just to kowtow to low-ratings Joss, y'know. >Basically I just kinda think >the X-Files had gone to hell and we were casting about for a replacement as >our must-watch geekshow, and got surprisingly hooked on it. Well, we were hoping for that as well, and wish it had happened for us. >Max was young, >but at least she wasn't in fucking high school. I'm counting the days until you get hooked on BUFFY. I share your dislike of High School As Easy Trope, but there are exceptions, y'know. >Hey, how are those unaired Firefly episodes? Pretty good, I'm guessing. Haven't had time to see them yet. I'll watch them this weekend. Chris? >Well... I've seen maybe two episodes of StarGate, but count me as a virgin >to the likes of Space: Above and Beyond (name too dumb, although I know it's >well liked as a show), The only thing Melissa liked about the name was this: The show was perpetually delayed or joined in progress in the eastern and central time zones during the NFL season, thanks to games spilling over to its early Sunday evening timeslot. So Fox NFL announcers were always having to say "Next on Fox: SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND, except on the West Coast." This always prompted Melissa to speculate as to space's nonexistence on the West Coast. Maybe it's a "you had to be there" thing. We didn't watch it, but given how much I loved Morgan and Wong's work on THE X-FILES and Season Two of MILLENNIUM, plus Kristen Cloke as Lara Means on that latter show, I really ought to watch it someday. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:20:11 -0800 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: "The truths of this system are spoken and sung by the workers who bear the brown lung" off the top of my head (probably some of these will already have been mentioned). must be LOTS more... - -- mr. t experience, "So Long Sucker" - -- tennesse ernie ford, "Sixteen Ton" - -- beatles, "Paperback Writer", "Lovely Rita", "Mean Mr. Mustard" - -- wesley willis, "The Wesley Willis Fiasco" ("my band played at the metro / about 1,000 people were at the show"...) - -- *Cradle Will Rock Soundtrack* - -- robyn hitchcock, "The Underneath" - -- john mellencamp, "Rain On The Scarecrow" - -- dan bern, "Joe Van Gogh", "Three Wishes" - -- mike watt, *contemplating the engine room* - -- metallica, "Disposable Heroes" - -- u. utah phillips, *We Have Fed You All A Thousand Years* - -- u. utah phillips & rosalie sorrels, *The Long Memory* (especially like "No More Reds In The Union" and "Carolina Cotton Mill") - -- mark ross, *Look For Me In Butte* (*great* album. especially like "Dad's Dinner Pail", "Butte Newsboys", "7 Stacks Of The Neversweat", and "Letter From A Miner's Wife") - -- much of woody guthrie's ouevre. (especially like "Ludlow Massacre": "i said, 'god bless the mineworkers' union,' then i hung my head and cried.") KEN "It is not explained why neither ham nor eggs are available" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #457 ********************************