From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #456 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 10 2003 Volume 12 : Number 456 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard ["Rex.Broome" ] 24...no spoilers! ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard [steve ] looking for jobs ["Fortissimo" ] Re: looking for jobs [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard [Mike Swedene ] Ouija Board, Can you help me? (0% RH 100% Smiths/Morrissey) [Mike Swedene] Re: Ouija Board, Can you help me? (0% RH 100% Smiths/Morrissey) [Capuchin] Re: films and missed opportunities ["Matt Sewell" ] RE: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: looking for jobs ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: looking for jobs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: looking for jobs [Capuchin ] RE: UK xbox games in US? [Capuchin ] Re: looking for jobs (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Regional conflicts [Capuchin ] Re: DVDs and days [Capuchin ] Re: looking for jobs ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: looking for jobs ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: looking for jobs [Capuchin ] Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: looking for jobs ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Regional conflicts [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: looking for jobs ["Brian" ] Re: Regional conflicts [Christopher Gross ] RE: looking for jobs [Dr John Halewood ] RE: Regional conflicts ["Brian Huddell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:11:52 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard S&TH: >>http://www.howardhallis.com/bis/cthulhuchick/ Dude. That was funny. Thanks. Miles: >>And not to play Rexian Contrarian, but I was really surprised to see how >>many Amazon.com users stumped for both FIREFLY and DARK ANGEL >>on FIREFLY's Amazon.com page. Especially since the hardcore DA crowd felt that their show was sacrificed to Joss Whedon as a political move on Fox's part. Anyhow, it IS the Amazon board, so approach with care. Dark Angel was admittedly nowhere near as good as Firefly, but yeah, we watched it regularly, and were more and more impressed with the casting/acting as it went along. The wife and I were amazed that the guy they cast as the "hunky duplicitous transgenic guy" could not only act, but also had, like, good comic rapport with Joshua the Dog Boy. Do wish it'd gotten to end properly. Basically I just kinda think the X-Files had gone to hell and we were casting about for a replacement as our must-watch geekshow, and got surprisingly hooked on it. Max was young, but at least she wasn't in fucking high school. Hey, how are those unaired Firefly episodes? Pretty good, I'm guessing. Chris Gross: >>For some people, the worst SF show >>is better than the best "mundane" show. I probably felt that way once, >>when I watched such quality fare as the Buck Rogers show; but I have the >>excuse of being about 10 years old at the time. Beedeebeedeebeede... has anyone caught Cartoon Network's Duck Dodgers series? It's actually really funny... a surprisingly deft blend of modern SF satire and Chuck Jones-era Loony Tunes cleverness and energy (the characters look and move right, which isn't always the case with WB cartoon revivals). Something that's really fun to watch with the kids. Plus watching it has convinced me that the entire character of George Costanza was based on Jones' version of Daffy Duck, a fact that seems quite obvious in retrospect. However, unlike the Gil Gerard Buck Rogers series mentioned above, it does not feature the voice of Mel Blanc. Beedeebeedeebeedee. >>who has never watched Farquest, Stargate the series, Highlander the >>series, Smallville or Charmed Well... I've seen maybe two episodes of StarGate, but count me as a virgin to the likes of Space: Above and Beyond (name too dumb, although I know it's well liked as a show), Beastmaster, Earth II, Andromeda, Lexx, Roswell (see along with Smallville my hatred of the "let's make it better by setting it in high school" stratagem), and I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of Angel, either. Are we counting pseudo-SF stuff like spy shows? Never saw La Femme Nikita (the show), either. Still on the fence about whether I'm gonna give the new Battlestar Galactica a whirl. But I HAVE been to Gil Gerard's house. And got paid for it. - -Rex "and Lou Ferrigno's house, too... ka-ching!" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:20:55 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: 24...no spoilers! Good episode tonight, IMHO. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:42:43 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard On Dec 9, 2003, at 7:11 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > Especially since the hardcore DA crowd felt that their show was > sacrificed to Joss Whedon as a political move on Fox's part. Well, somebody at Fox programming *was* executive producer of Firefly. Way to much monster-of-the-week in the second season, although the breeding program folk were getting interesting. A lot of the followers of the male lead have evidently followed him over to his new show. - - Steve __________ I know that it's cynical, but I feel that civil liberties-for a lot of these people in Congress-are either an inconvenience or a campaign slogan. They care only about money and power. - Wil Wheaton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:41:12 -0600 From: "Fortissimo" Subject: looking for jobs For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have a few, yes...) ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Fortissimo wrote: > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have > a few, yes...) A quick search on my database says: artists in day jobs _ Ball, Otis (I'm Gonna Love You 'Til I Don't) take this job and shove it _ Dead Kennedys (Bedtime For Democracy) the world's easiest job _ Wainwright, Rufus (Lolita Nation) mission 1: avoid job working with assholes _ Atom And His Package (Redefining Music) total job _ The Faint (Danse Macabre) Actually, a lot of Danse Macabre is about work, and "Worked Up So Sexual" from their previous album is about working in a strip club. Free associating now... Prince Paul - J.O.B. (Das What Dey Is!) Nothing Painted Blue - Swivelchair most of Wall Of Voodoo's Dark Continent Devo - Big Mess Hey, do songs about being in a band count? The last track on almost every They Might Be Giants record is about the practical side of being a musician (to some degree). I need some sleep. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard - --- "Rex.Broome" wrote: > S&TH: > >>http://www.howardhallis.com/bis/cthulhuchick/ > > Dude. That was funny. Thanks. > it was odd I got a different link for the same page from another friend. http://www.thepictureofeverything.com/ looking for things that are not there.... Mike np -> Suedehead Morrissey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Ouija Board, Can you help me? (0% RH 100% Smiths/Morrissey) Listening on the iPod in the car, singing along with Bona Drag.... sad sad times. I was wondering if anyone on the list has any good Smiths or Morrissey boots.. preferably early Smiths stuff or studio outtakes. Email me off list. I will be doing a B&P after I get my leaves out of my branches :0) Mike ps - "Walking on Sunshine" mentioned on FUTURAMA tonight, Fry's dog can sing the entire song. Nice to see Kimberly making bread off of it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:49:05 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Ouija Board, Can you help me? (0% RH 100% Smiths/Morrissey) On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Mike Swedene wrote: > ps - "Walking on Sunshine" mentioned on FUTURAMA tonight, Fry's dog can > sing the entire song. Nice to see Kimberly making bread off of it. Fry has a dog? Was this in the Futurestocks episode where the 80s guy is thawed? We haven't had Futurama in a long time... J "And I promised myself I wouldn't talk about television" . - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:47 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: films and missed opportunities Miles, you took the words right out of my mouth! The two (SP and AS) are often lumped together, but I don't rate Sylvia at all while thinking Anne is fantastic... Cheers Matt >From: Miles Goosens >Reply-To: Miles Goosens >To: "it's only us" >Subject: Re: films and missed opportunities >Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:25:34 -0600 > >At 08:34 AM 12/9/2003 -0600, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > >I mean, come on, if it weren't for Sylvia Plath, upon whom would lonely > >English majors have secret crushes? > >Anne Sexton? > >later, > >Miles - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find the perfect gift for everyone on your list this Christmas at MSN Shopping. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:12 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: looking for jobs - --On Dienstag, 9. Dezember 2003 22:41 Uhr -0600 Fortissimo wrote: > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have > a few, yes...) Wichita Lineman! R.E.M. - Finest Worksong - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:50:15 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard New Battlestar Galactica? I hope the rag-tag fleet and its occupants are still stylistically stuck in the late 70s... actually I thought the design of the original film was outstanding, though I found the series a bit of a chore, really... some interesting moments nevertheless... I think I'll stick to Doctor Who! Please god, don't let it be Alan Davies, Stephen fecking Fry, Richard E Grant ("please don't call me Reg") or Dawn French (it's been talked about, seriously...) Cheers Matt >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Well... I've seen maybe two episodes of StarGate, but count me as a virgin to the likes of Space: Above and Beyond (name too dumb, although I know it's well liked as a show), Beastmaster, Earth II, Andromeda, Lexx, Roswell (see along with Smallville my hatred of the "let's make it better by setting it in high school" stratagem), and I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of Angel, either. Are we counting pseudo-SF stuff like spy shows? Never saw La Femme Nikita (the show), either. Still on the fence about whether I'm gonna give the new Battlestar Galactica a whirl. But I HAVE been to Gil Gerard's house. And got paid for it. > >-Rex "and Lou Ferrigno's house, too... ka-ching!" Broome - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have more fun with your mobile - add polyphonic ringtones, java games, celebrity voicemails and loads more! Click here for phone fun. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:59:05 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: looking for jobs Aah, Wichita Lineman - one of my all-time favourites... Worksongs: Work by Cale and Reed (from Songs for Drella); Don't Worry About The Government by Talking Heads; Five O'Clock World, the name of the original artist escapes me by Julian Cope covered it; The song from The Meaning of Life - The Wide Accountancy? Hmm... can't think of any more... it's a little early in the morning! Cheers Matt >From: Sebastian Hagedorn > >>For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, >>occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? >>(I have >>a few, yes...) > >Wichita Lineman! > >R.E.M. - - Finest Worksong >-- >Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 >Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 >50823 Kvln >http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:50:10 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: looking for jobs Mayor McCA does a good 'n depressing one called "Work". There's always "9 to 5". And "A Day In The Life" is kinda about the commuter experience (or could be, I think I last heard it 20 years ago) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Worksongs: > Don't Worry About The Government by Talking Heads; This reminds me of Weird Al's Dog Eat Dog which is a really good song in the Talking Heads style ("I got a coffee mug with my... with my name right on it!"). Very good one. All about office life and its foolishness. Madness' tune Cardiac Arrest is one of my favorites ("Paper in the morning; bowler hat on head. He's walking toward the bus stop, yearning for his bed."). Brilliant. I really liked I Missed The Bus by Skankin' Pickle when I was in school, but I had a demo from way back and the studio versions just aren't quite as good ("Gettin' up at five o'clock to get to work at nine o'clock. Takes about an hour to put my hair up so why, why do I always miss the buh-us?"). Uh... Depeche Mode's Work Hard... Dare I mention Workin' For The Weekend? I really ought to go to sleep. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: UK xbox games in US? On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > > if I buy an xbox game in the UK, can I play it on my machine here at > home? > > No, they have region encoding similar to DVDs. UK xbox games will not > play on US xbox machines. Isn't it neato? Just when we start to shrink the world down to a manageable size, the profiteers come in trying to push each other farther apart... One step forward, two steps back. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:17:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: looking for jobs (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael R Godwin To: Stewart C. Russell Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:46:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Mayor McCA does a good 'n depressing one called "Work". > There's always "9 to 5". > And "A Day In The Life" is kinda about the commuter experience > (or could be, I think I last heard it 20 years ago) "Get a Job" by the Silhouettes (fine fine lyric at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/5616/Paroles-Words/Get-a-job.htm) "(That's the sound of the men working on the) Chain Gang" by Sam Cooke "Morning train (nine to five)" by Sheena Easton (do you remember the fab sendup by Pamela Stephenson on NT9ON?) "Working in a Coal Mine" by Lee Dorsey "Work song" - Cannonball Adderley (BANG do d' do do Do do d' do do BANG do d' do do Do do d' do do), that one "Workin my way back to you babe" by the Detroit Spinners "Big boss man" by the Pretty Things "Hard Workin Man" by Jack Nietsche, with Captain Beefheart on vocal - - Mike "How long can this go on?" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Regional conflicts On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > James: > >>Oh, and nor does it explain the curious NA habit of avoiding the word > >>"and" in year names. It's two thousand AND three, dammit! (It's also > >>December the seventh, not December seven!) I didn't see the message whence the above was culled, but I was ALWAYS taught in school that the "and" didn't belong inside a number... The and is addition and it's implied always making it totally redundant. So one says, "Five hundred twelve" and "sixty-four" not "five hundread and twelve" and "Sixty and four". So clearly one wouldn't say "two thousand and three". That's just dumb. > But non-North-Americans also say "seven December", whereas we would > always render that "the seventh of December". The different (and > seemingly contradictory) ways of saying dates surely results from the > equally conflicting ways of writing them. December seven and seven December are both common. I don't know why folks like Chris and Miles claim to have never heard it. Could be that folks in the East are more limited in their date expressions. It seems to me like saying "December the seventh" is totally nongrammatical and nonsensical. It's like an back assward shorthand for "the seventh of December", but leaving out the words that convey any relationship between the day and the month. It's not December the Seventh in the same sense that a man was once, say, Henry the Eighth. > Same tip: is anyone besided me irritated by the fact that needless > zeros have infiltrated dates in normal text just because they are (or > more like were) necessary for computer data entry? I mean, why should > it be 12/08/03? What's so confusing a bout 12/8? Anyone reading that > as the eightieth of December? If not, why else have that zero in there? As some people already pointed out, most people would read that as the 12th of August. This is exactly why saying "Seven December" makes perfect sense. It's verbal shorthand for the written form (whereas most writing is shorthand for the spoken form). Anybody who's done any computer-based cataloguing can probably tell you right off that it makes the most sense to write date stamps most-to-least-significance order. You'll find my logfiles and things stamped thusly: CCYYMMDDHHmmSS That's two places for century, two for year, two for month, two for day, two for hour, two for minute and two for seconds. This allows for simple numerical sorting of dates. And zeroes are important as (they always are) placeholders. I go back and forth when writing dates on documents... sometimes I go that way and sometimes the reverse. I may write on a check: "2003 December 7" or "7 December 2003". But I'm not going to write "2003 7 December" or "December 7 2003" because they make no sense. > As far as I can tell, DVD players are drifting toward being universally > all-region at this point, without much being made of it. No mention is being made of it because the industry was stupid-stupid-stupid for implementing the thing in the first place and it was all just an attempt to manipulate the market by controlling the vertical markets. They don't want to have to come out and say "The people have overcome our tools and we must yield to your will in order to retain any kind of relationship with the public." That would be disasterous because people would realize the power they have. As high speed internet increases (and my ISP is _doubling_ my upstream bandwidth TOMORROW at no charge to me... just because they can) and becomes more widespread, we'll see more and more that the ONLY value added by a recording company is packaging. For things like recorded information that is to be enjoyed in private (books, video, audio, etc.), we'll see fewer and fewer physical shops because you don't try on these things or get a sense of their space in any way. I think the Musicland/Sam Goody collapse is the first of many. So my predictions are as follows: Amazon will rule recorded information distribution until high bandwidth is more common and packaging will get spectacular on low-bandwidth goods like music except when the music's lifespan is very, very short... and that turnover will get shorter to accomodate. > Don't know how quickly this process will be complete, but it seems > inevitable, and, since apparently not to hard to engineer, that's as it > should be. Not too hard to engineer? They had to specially engineer it in the first place. It was their own artificial restriction. > It's like how eventually they stopped pressing mono versions of stereo > records, once they got people accustomed to the idea that their mono > stylus wasn't going to explode if it made contact with a stereo disc. Are you really implying that the motion picture industry "got people used to" putting Region 1 discs into Region 2 players? People EXPECTED it to work and were shocked when it DIDN'T and it didn't because of special effort on the port of the motion picture industry. The way I read this, you've got it all backwards and the monopolists and the cartels are just helping the poor, unfortunate masses along. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: DVDs and days On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > here in NZ I'd say 95% of DVD players are multi-region and dual-format. > With most of our DVDs coming from Australia, the US, southeast Asia, and > the UK, it would be silly for them to be otherwise. Am I wrong in recalling that region coding is actually ILLEGAL in NZ because of the anti-protectionist legislation that prevents people from screwing your little island nation with just such swindles? > I'd agree that the seventh of December is as good as December the seventh, > and that seven december and December seven are eqully bad. Weird, weird, weird. I would expect you to agree that "the seventh of December" is way better than "December the seventh" because it actually conveys the relationship between "seventh" and "December" (where the latter appears to reverse that relationship or something). And I can't imagine why "seven December" is a problem for anyone. That's how it's almost always written, so why not say it that way? (I'll admit that saying "December seven" is weird because you wouldn't ever say the year first, though it makes sense in many applications to write it this way.) > But I'd also say that the users of the latter two terms are either N > American or influenced by N American speech patterns. Sadly they're > creeping into the language far more, too. I think it's just a matter of speaking the written form and very sensible (albeit backward from the normal speech->text idiom). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:18:06 -0500 (EST), Aaron Mandel wrote : > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Fortissimo wrote: > > > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have > > a few, yes...) > My God...it's full of work songs... "Navigator"--The Pogues "The Erie Canal Song"--traditional "John Henry"--Johnny Cash "The Old Changing Way"--Battlefield Band (about the tinker trade) "Paddy Lay Back"--The Wolfe Tones "Monday Morning"--Silly Wizard "Sex Farm"--Spinal Tap "Pig Worker" --The Soft Boys ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:18:06 -0500 (EST), Aaron Mandel wrote : > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Fortissimo wrote: > > > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any ideas? (I have > > a few, yes...) > My God...it's full of work songs... "Navigator"--The Pogues "The Erie Canal Song"--traditional "John Henry"--Johnny Cash "The Old Changing Way"--Battlefield Band (about the tinker trade) "Paddy Lay Back"--The Wolfe Tones "Monday Morning"--Silly Wizard "Sex Farm"--Spinal Tap "Pig Worker" --The Soft Boys ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: looking for jobs On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > My God...it's full of work songs... Oh, and I forgot to mention Frank Tovey's entire excellent album "Tyranny and the Hired Hand". That is, of course, if you like Fad Gadget doing folk. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Feggy Geeky SF TV Scorecard > http://www.thepictureofeverything.com/ > > looking for things that are not there.... Robyn? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:59:41 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: looking for jobs *hands over trophy for the first RH reference of the thread* *applauds* Cheers Matt >From: "Jonathan Fetter" >"Pig Worker" --The Soft Boys - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start downloading music from 62p per track with the MSN Music Club. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:44:03 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Regional conflicts - --On Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2003 5:28 Uhr -0800 Capuchin wrote: > I didn't see the message whence the above was culled, but I was ALWAYS > taught in school that the "and" didn't belong inside a number... The and > is addition and it's implied always making it totally redundant. > > So one says, "Five hundred twelve" and "sixty-four" not "five hundread and > twelve" and "Sixty and four". But they *used* to say "four and sixty", just like we do in German. I'm not sure when that stopped, maybe around 1800? I seem to remember it from Daniel Defoe and Henry Fielding, for example. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:14:09 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: looking for jobs Work songs: A Hard Days Night -los Beatles (but this is really a love song) A Snow Ball In Hell -They Might Be Giants Everybody's Working For the Weekend* -? *Oh no! This song is gonna be going through my head all day now! I can think of a couple more TMBG tunes too. What the one on Apollo 18 where the back up vocals go: work work work work.... ? and Alienations for the Rich? - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Regional conflicts On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > But non-North-Americans also say "seven December", whereas we would > > always render that "the seventh of December". The different (and > > seemingly contradictory) ways of saying dates surely results from the > > equally conflicting ways of writing them. > > December seven and seven December are both common. I don't know why folks > like Chris and Miles claim to have never heard it. Could be that folks in > the East are more limited in their date expressions. I just consulted my friend and cow-orker Joe, who was born and raised in Oregon and lived there until age 35, and he quite vehemently denies that people out there say "December seven" or "seven December." It's seventh, with a -th, all the way. Query: Do you call the first two days of December "December one and two" or "December first and second"? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:03:13 -0000 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: looking for jobs > For a mix, I'm trying to come up with songs about work, careers, > occupations...either generally or about specific jobs. Any > ideas? (I have > a few, yes...) > ...Jeff The whole of Richard Thompson's "Industry" might be a good place to start. Also quite a bit of Springsteen's work ("Factory" most obviously comes to mind) seems to feature characters in dead-end jobs. Can't think of much that covers the more "glamorous" side of work though - noone seems to write songs about the joys or otherwise of being a CEO or media magnate: "Sci-Finance" by Peter Hammill is as close as I can get to it. cheers john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:11:24 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Regional conflicts > I just consulted my friend and cow-orker Joe, who was born > and raised in Oregon and lived there until age 35, and he quite vehemently > denies that people out there say "December seven" or "seven December." > It's seventh, with a -th, all the way. Exactly. Christmas is "December 25th", or rarely, perhaps more formally, "the 25th of December". If you heard somebody say "December twenty-five" or "twenty-five December" you would laugh at them, and, this being North America, probably shoot them. Here's a test: How do you say your birthday? "February 19th" here. Don't let James tell us how we talk! +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #456 ********************************