From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #452 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 6 2003 Volume 12 : Number 452 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: re; "I walked into the house..." ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #451 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke ["Natalie Jacobs"] Re: Tomorrows shows? ["Jon Lewis" ] Re: bonus-track controversy [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: dawg songs/album grading/reaps [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke ["Jon Lewis" ] Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #451 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Technical Question re: bit torrents [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Goodbye Bottom Line [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke [Sebastian Ha] Re: Goodbye Bottom Line ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Technical Question re: bit torrents ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: I say pern-us, you say per-neice ["Stewart C. Russell" ] COMMAS, PHRASING DISSED SATURDAY [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: re; "I walked into the house..." >From: Devin Lee Ens >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: re; "I walked into the house..." >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:36:36 -0600 >And if the is abYip Song out "Robyn's dad's cancer hallucinations" (I >forget >who said that), then he's getting even deeper than I thought. Ummm, he did...the same person who said Dark Princess is about Michele. You know you're alright...not right just alright, Max _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:36:40 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: dawg songs/album grading/reaps let's see, we're 8 hours away from NJ by car, anyone want to figure this out? ; ) sorry, i may be crazy, but not that crazy, as i said before, i don't want to get to NJ and not be able to get back, m'kay? it's just as well anyway, we went to see a movie today, and i wasn't feeling too well just walking around the mall beforehand. : ( but we saw The Last Samurai, which was worth going to, even on opening day, great movie, i really loved it. it's snowing again here............ : P Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net Sorry you cant make the shows in NJ Grunty, don't you have any snowshoes? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:46:07 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: The Fall and Rise of RP >> My mind just did the same "ah! He's back!" as Reggie Perrin did at the >> reappearance of the hippo. > >Thank you for mentioning Reginald Perrin! I live in a world where no one >remembers that show. Whenever I get in a conversation that involves >reminiscing about favorite old "britcoms", I always mention it, no one's >ever heard of it, and I'm utterly unable to get across its greatness by mere >description. Also, it seems like all of the other shows I remember from >those days are still being rerun on PBS semi-regularly, but I haven't seen a >broadcast of Perrin since, oh, 1985. It and Butterflies would both make >swell DVD sets, I think, being comedies with overarching serial >storylines... I think you're right. The Reggie Perrin series were wonderful, especially the first series. I think that it began to lose momentum towards the end of the second, about the time they started up the commune, but up to and including the Grot shops was some of the best British comedy I've seen. Two other British series I'd love to see on DVD were a great comedy/drama called "Hamish Macbeth" (don't know if it ever made it to the US, but it was sort of like a British "Northern Exposure" or "Due South", dealing with a village cop in the wilds of northern Scotland, and starring Robert Carlyle) and a very strange comedy series (well, three mini-series, in fact) called "The Beiderbecke Affair/Tapes/Connection", about a jazz-loving woodwork teacher at a school in the industrial north of England. Don't think I can really describe what happens in the series, other than that they were very bizarre and enjoyable. Not as laugh-out-loud as Reggie, but still great. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:56:33 -0800 From: Nur Gale Subject: Goodbye Bottom Line Sad news comes of the imminent demise of New York's venerable club, the Bottom Line. Yesterday in court, the Bottom Line lost the legal battle with their landlord, New York University. Their site announced: "Today is a dark day for the arts in the City of New York. Despite theprotests of artists and citizens throughout the world, the court has granted New York University's demand for the eviction of the Bottom Line. As a result of New York University's action, the music that has played for nearly 30 years at 15 West 4th Street will soon be silenced." For details, see http://www.bottomlinecabaret.com http://www.savethebottomline.com What memories do listmembers have of shows at the Bottom Line? I've seen some great shows there back in the 70s and early 80s, but finally seeing Richard and Linda Thompson in May 1982 is probably my most memorable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:59:32 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #451 >>> Is there anyone going to tomorrow's shows who is taping them and >>> taking pubic transportation. They are now talking about a snow >>> emergency(roads closed) in NJ so I am not sure I can make it.[...] >> > >Man, you guys are WIMPS! I once drove 35 miles in a blinding snowstorm to >see a midnight showing of "The Great Rock N Roll Swindle" in Boston. keep your heads up, folks. I'll be thinking of you as I go for a beach walk this evening. James PS - "pubic transportation"? Is this another wanking reference? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:32:05 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke > I forgot to chime in a few days ago when-- I think it was Natalie?-- >mentioned getting Bad Timing by Jim O'Rourke and turning it off in >exasperation halfway through. You really do have to listen to the rest! >Believe it or not, it eventially explodes into a great, jaunty hoe-down >section with a happy brass band and everything. You don't want to miss >that. No, I was talking about Happy Days, not Bad Timing. I love Bad Timing and listen to it all the way through on a regular basis. I bought Happy Days because someone told me it sounded like Bad Timing except more "difficult"... I was unprepared for how "difficult" it actually was. I have this weird obsessive-compulsive thing about Bad Timing... I bought it at the same time as a Tim Easton record, Break Your Mother's Heart, and now whenever I listen to one, I have to listen to the other. Though they have little in common except that the record covers match (Bad Timing is dark red, Mother's Heart is dark blue), and both artists are small and cute. n. now deleting: drunken typos _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:35:40 -0500 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: Tomorrows shows? Steve said: > > Yeah, today was just the beginning... > > I'm still debating on heading out tomorrow night depending on how bad > it gets. The PATH train should be running, right? > I assume so... that's how I'm planning to get there. Unfortunately I don't have the gear for taping shows, so I can't help on that count. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bonus-track controversy Eb wrote: >>Jeff: >>> I don't think bonus tracks should "count." On >>> the other hand, I feel really torn when rating the >>> Who's Live at Leeds, because I like the new >>> version (with bonus tracks inserted throughout) >> The single or the double? Is having all of Tommy >> worth the upgrade? > > Oh, I was talking about the version from a few years > ago, which balances the jammy tunes with new, > punchier stuff like "I Can't Explain," "Fortune > Teller," "Tattoo," "Happy Jack" and "I'm a Boy." > Plus, "Heaven and Hell," "A Quick One" and "Amazing > Journey/Sparks," which all kick ass. > > I don't want the two-disc version, however. That's > overkill. I really don't like this new trend of > releasing two-disc reissues of one-disc albums > (though I sure do have the My Generation > reissue on my wish list). It's especially touching when it's a two-disc reissue of an album already re-issued singly (like Live at Leeds or Sweethearts of the Rodeo or Who's Next). The only difference between the one-disc LAL and the two disc is that the two-disc takes out "amazing journey/sparks", but then has them doing all of Tommy on the second disc. So I haven't bothered with it. I do have both Bob Marley's Catch a Fire and Exodus in the deluxe packages though; didn't have either singly beforehand, and the CAF double has the entire album before it was overdubbed in London, which is really nice. Exodus is less essential as the double, but it was a present and the giver couldn't find the single. Both brilliant records though, of course. > >Especially in a case like Live at Leeds > >(or Stop Making Sense!!!). > > Yeah, that's another live album which got a > significant boost from an expanded reissue. > > Eb ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: dawg songs/album grading/reaps anthony stokes wrote: > BTW, can anyone explain to me > (without laughing at my blatant stupidity) what > "reaps" are? I understand the common definition but > I'm not quite sure whats being referenced when > one of the most recent posts had the subject of > "reap" and an account of his car having a flat. Well, that particular narcisisstic creep was me. Normally "reap" posts are when someone notable has passed. Occasionally someone posts a reap for something else -- a tv show, company, houseplant (someone did a houseplant, right?), whatever. As for my tire: I reaped my tire because it died -- blew out on 880 north, between Jackson St and Winton Ave. in Hayward, and I was way too amused with the peculiarities of the incident in its near aftermath and for some reason was thinking it was kind of interesting. I think it was the lack of caffeine and an overload of adrenaline keeping me kinda awake. I blame Dubya. ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:53:53 -0500 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke > No, I was talking about Happy Days, not Bad Timing. I love Bad Timing and > listen to it all the way through on a regular basis. I bought Happy Days > because someone told me it sounded like Bad Timing except more > "difficult"... I was unprepared for how "difficult" it actually was. > Ah... silly me. So is Happy Days the one with half-hour stretches of solo hurdy-gurdy? O'Rourke is one of those artists I can't just buy a previously-unseen disc of at random. The perils are too great. I have to find out what's on there first. ANother "outside" favorite, Sun City Girls, are equally perilous. You never know if you're going to get a slab of heavy psych godhead or a collection of unfunny sketch comedy with them. I guess Gastr del Sol had that quality too, but I enjoyed their "difficult" ones as much as their "song-y" ones... until Camofleur, which really turned me off in a big way. Is it growing on you? But yeah, Bad Timing is fabulous. I haven't heard enough Jack Nitszche to back this up, but I have the feeling the latter part of BT is kind of an homage to him. Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:54:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke >I have this weird obsessive-compulsive thing about Bad Timing... Bad Timing: A Sensual Obsession? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 02:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Danny Lieberman" Subject: Re: Tomorrows shows? Max, I'm going via PATH, probably gonna walk up Washington St if there's no other way to the club. If it's over a foot or two of snow by show time who knows if even Robyn will be able to get there? I just bought a new rig and will bring it of course, along with E. who'll have his as well. This show will be covered. > Is there anyone going to tomorrow's shows who is taping them and taking > pubic transportation. They are now talking about a snow emergency(roads > closed) in NJ so I am not sure I can make it. $70.00 down the drain if that > happens. Hopefully I can get a recording that I can listen to when I stop > crying. They are taling about 10"-16" of snow in NYC before it's all done. > > Max - -- Danny Lieberman dfl@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:00:49 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #451 >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #451 >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:59:32 +1300 >PS - "pubic transportation"? Is this another wanking reference? No but I think 'hopping on the train' should be. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Technical Question re: bit torrents Namely, once you have is, how do you get it opened up so you can listen to it? ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:56:51 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Goodbye Bottom Line - -- Nur Gale is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 21:56 Uhr -0800 regarding Goodbye Bottom Line: > What memories do listmembers have of shows at the Bottom Line? I've seen > some great shows there back in the 70s and early 80s, but finally seeing > Richard and Linda Thompson in May 1982 is probably my most memorable. I've been there only once, in the early 90s. It was Robert Fripp and his League of Crafty Guitarsmen. I was merely tagging along; I don't remember if I had to pay or whose idea it was to go. The show itself was amusing at first, but it didn't appeal to me as "music", just on a conceptual level. I can't say I liked the Bottom Line as a venue. To Europeans it's always weird when you're supposed to sit during a show. Then you *had* to order something, IIRC. That's something I hate. There are places like that over here, but they are usually comedy clubs or small theaters, not places where bands play. At the time I had very little money, so it affected me in that way, as well. I know that the Feelies used to play there on a regular basis and I can't imagine what that would've been like. I mean, watching a Feelies show sitting at small tables?? You're kidding me ... To sum it up: I can't say I mourn the Bottom Line's passing, only a little for sentimental reasons. Give me the Knitting Factory any day. That's my kind of place. Or is my characterisation wrong? Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:28:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Bad Timing - -- Natalie Jacobs is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 22:32 Uhr -0800 regarding remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke: > I have this weird obsessive-compulsive thing about Bad Timing... Does anybody know the Nicholas Roeg movie by that name? I've seen it only once on German TV and I liked it a lot. Unfortunately it's unavailable on tape or DVD because of censorship. I read an article about it on the occasion of its 20th anniversary ... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:29:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 22:54 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke: >> I have this weird obsessive-compulsive thing about Bad Timing... > > Bad Timing: A Sensual Obsession? That's the one *I* am talking about, anyway ... ;-) Do you know it? Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:44:25 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Goodbye Bottom Line I'm having some difficulty caring about this too. By all reports, the venue did everything they could to avoid paying artists and the rent. If it was truly packed every night, there's some creepy accounting going on. Next, as the Sensational Alex Harvey once said ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:49:01 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Technical Question re: bit torrents Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Namely, once you have is, how do you get it opened up > so you can listen to it? Use shorten, or shnamp, or xmms-shn to play 'em, or to convert them to WAV to make CDs: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 02:03:40 -0500 (EST) From: Miles Goosens Subject: I say pern-us, you say per-neice So tonight I did a smart thing -- y'know how I haven't actually heard anything by Joe Pernice? Since I don't subscribe to eMusic or have any interest in iTunes and am pretty chicken about the whole illicit download thing, I hadn't availed myself of a Pernice listen via the WWW. But tonight, I thought, "hey, they've gotta have a site, wonder if they've got any tunes I can get there?" So off to http://www.pernicebrothers.com I went, and they had 60% of YOURS, MINE & OURS (dang, I hate omitting that last comma in a series) available as streaming content. So now I have listened to Joe Pernice. Twice to all six of the streamed tracks, in fact. Initial reactions: * Far *less* soft-pop/orch-pop than I had been led to believe. * Far more rocking than I had been led to believe. * Some really, really good turns of phrase. It's not a perfect analogy, but it's very much like what I always wanted American Music Club/Mark Eitzel to be. Anyway, I'm now about 75% convinced to try a whole album. That's up from about 5% based just on reviews and word of mouth. later, Miles np: Nadine, STRANGE SEASONS (a 2003 favorite, and something I gladly recommend to Natalie) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:13:28 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Bad Timing >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Subject: Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke >Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:29:57 +0100 >-- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 5. >Dezember 2003 22:54 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: remember, kids, don't drink and >post about Jim O'Rourke: >>>I have this weird obsessive-compulsive thing about Bad Timing... >>Bad Timing: A Sensual Obsession? >That's the one *I* am talking about, anyway ... ;-) Do you know it? I taped it off of Cinemax once, I think I still have it. I thought it was great. Max _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:21:10 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: I say pern-us, you say per-neice Miles Goosens wrote: > > ... they had 60% of YOURS, > MINE & OURS (dang, I hate omitting that last comma in a series) ah, you're one of those oxford/serial/cambridge comma types, then? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:29:39 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: I say pern-us, you say per-neice Quoting Miles Goosens : > http://www.pernicebrothers.com I went, and they had 60% of YOURS, > MINE & OURS (dang, I hate omitting that last comma in a series) I'm with you...except when an ampersand is used. The series ampersand/comma looks too weird to me. I don't know from Oxbridge (see Stewart Russell's remark) but to me the logic is simply that omitting that comma creates an unwarranted stronger connection or association between the final two items of the series than between any other two. Plus, in many sentences (one form would be a sentence in which the series is followed by a second clause beginning with "and"), omitting the comma creates some serious reader-friction ambiguity in terms of which phrase the last item belongs with. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make :: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:45:07 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: I say pern-us, you say per-neice Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > omitting that comma creates an unwarranted > stronger connection or association between the final two items of the > series than between any other two But one of the strong guidelines in display typography (and this would probably apply to album titles) is that you omit discretionary punctuation. Mind you, that doesn't explain the curious namerican habit of replacing "and" with a comma ("CITY RAISES RENTS, TAXES") and that curious postfix dating thing ("ANGRY HOUSING MEETING WEDNESDAY"). Stewart (must have donuts ...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:02:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Danny Lieberman" Subject: tonights show at Maxwells postponed I just called Maxwells and got a recorded announcement that tonight's show has been rescheduled for Friday, January 9th. All tickets for tonight will be honored on that date, or you can get refunds, etc at point of purchase. Considering the blizzardness of the area today I was not looking forward to the travel to Hoboken. - -- Danny Lieberman dfl@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:35:26 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: COMMAS, PHRASING DISSED SATURDAY Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > > omitting that comma creates an unwarranted > > stronger connection or association between the final two items > of the > > series than between any other two > > But one of the strong guidelines in display typography (and this > would > probably apply to album titles) is that you omit discretionary > punctuation. I'm not sure why it would apply to album titles - certainly not as used in non-design contexts (i.e., a review or on a mailing list). Mind you, that doesn't explain the curious namerican > habit > of replacing "and" with a comma ("CITY RAISES RENTS, TAXES") and > that > curious postfix dating thing ("ANGRY HOUSING MEETING WEDNESDAY"). The first one is space-saving headline writing, I suppose - but I'm not sure how else you'd do the last one - unless the "on" before "Wednesday" is also just saving space. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:43:41 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: Re: remember, kids, don't drink and post about Jim O'Rourke >Ah... silly me. So is Happy Days the one with half-hour stretches of solo >hurdy-gurdy? O'Rourke is one of those artists I can't just buy a >previously-unseen disc of at random. The perils are too great. Yeah, and Happy Days would've swindled me even if I'd listened to a few minutes in the store... it starts out sounding much like Bad Timing before degenerating into the solo hurdy-gurdy. I found a used copy of the amusingly-titled "I'm Happy and I'm Singing and a One-Two-Three-Four" and fortunately managed to listen to it in the store before buying - it's Jim's "laptop" record, and I couldn't decide whether I liked it or not, because electronic music is still out of my musical orbit... I decided to think about it and come back later, by which time someone had bought it already. Used O'Rourke records are very hard to come by. (My copy of Bad Timing is used.) >I guess >Gastr del Sol had that quality too, but I enjoyed their "difficult" ones >as >much as their "song-y" ones... until Camofleur, which really turned me off >in a big way. Is it growing on you? Yeah, actually I really like it - though oddly I like the instrumental songs better than the ones with vocals. I listened to the first Gastr del Sol record in the store (caveat emptor, again) and didn't like it much, but the second one is supposed to be good. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:50:27 -0500 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: tonights show at Maxwells postponed > I just called Maxwells and got a recorded announcement that tonight's > show has been rescheduled for Friday, January 9th. All tickets for > tonight will be honored on that date, or you can get refunds, etc > at point of purchase. > > Considering the blizzardness of the area today I was not looking > forward to the travel to Hoboken. I just heard the message myself. I'm a mixture of relieved at not having to make the journey and disappointed at losing the opportunity to see what might have turned out to be the most intimate Robyn show ever. I was having visions of only 9 or 10 people making it, getting snowed in to the club, making s'mores and trading ghost stories with RH. Ah well. Jan 9 it is. Jon Lewis (who just remembered that "Jan 9" is the title of one of the best Dog Faced Hermans songs. An omen?) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #452 ********************************