From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #450 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 5 2003 Volume 12 : Number 450 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Saturday show ["Grunty" ] Re: "I walked into the house of miraculous recovery..." [Jeff Dwarf ] programming note from Kansan [Eb ] Re: programming note from Kansan [John Barrington Jones ] Hotmail (was Re: Grant Morrison, etc.) [Tom Clark ] Stocking Stuffers [Tom Clark ] Chamber poop... then and now ["Rex.Broome" ] crossing the threads [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: songwriting ["Jason R. Thornton" ] re: poll [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: crossing the threads [Capuchin ] Re: songwriting [Tom Clark ] no grade, no diploma [Scott Hunter McCleary ] re: poll [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Masturbation the English way ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: reap (1% RH) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bush II, Conqueror of the Desert [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:04:08 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Saturday show enjoy the shows, i'm not going now, this weather has me stuck in Virginia, it just wasn't meant to be, can't wait to hear the reviews. strangely enough, i'm not sad, not yet anyway, driving 8 hours just for a weekend just didn't seem like a great idea. at least i did catch both Bottom Line shows, i'm happy about that anyway. Grunty, stuck in ice and snow in VA gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net >Can't wait 'til Saturday. At the Halloween Bottom Line show, Robyn was > more in the zone than I've ever seen for one of his acoustic gigs. It feels > like this Saturday will be a really special one. This time I'm going to both > sets-- I learned my lesson. > Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: "I walked into the house of miraculous recovery..." Eb wrote: > Jesus...look at all the Warren Zevon/George > Harrison/June Carter Cash nods in the new Grammy > nominations. Talk about the sympathy vote > coming through. And Luther Vandross, who at least gets to enjoy his sympathy nominations. > And...TOM WAITS for Best Rock > Vocal??? For a Ramones cover, no less?? Unusually > credible nominations for Best Album, > though...all five artists are basically "legit." And > *both* Clintons are nominated...heh. OutKast may be legit, but "Hey Ya" is the most annoying record since "Who Let The Dogs Out"; maybe even since the fooking "Macarena." If it doesn't have it's own stupid dance, it should. Evanescence? Legit? Really? Sure, they aren't quite Nickelback, but still. I guess those first two Fountains of Wayne album don't count (they are up for best new artist). ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:39:45 -0500 From: Subject: re: poll [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:03 , Capuchin sent: >This is why Thomas Jefferson had no grades or diplomas at his University >of Virginia. You came and studied until you and the instructors agreed >you were done. That's really the right way to go. is it? why then doesn't any university use any system like that today? for the same reason they stopped then. when i read this kinda stuff sometimes i think i'm supposed to imagine everyone fluttering around sharing lovers and spoon feeding each other. in a world with no bigots and bias maybe. but like in so many instances there are going to be people involved and not nearly enough people are fair or honest. it reminds me of what it might have been like buying cocaine and opium over the counter at the corner rx 100 years ago. at first it probably seemed like a good idea. gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:17:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: programming note from Kansan Our Lady Heidi Klum is scheduled to appear on Oprah's TV show today, Thursday, December 4. This is a repeat of the October 29 show and Heidi presents other models wearing Victoria's Secret fashions and Heidi's own jewelry collection for Mouawad. The following link http://onunterhaltung.t-online.de/c/12/94/85/1294858.html has many photographs of Empress Heidi arriving in Hamburg last Thursday for the BAMBI Awards, getting ready for the show, and posing with the Fashion BAMBI she accepted. The story appears in today's edition of "Bunte", the top German celebrity magazine. Today, December 4, is the birthday of Heidi's fellow Victoria's Secret Archangel Tyra Banks (born in 1973). Happy birthday, Tyra! Tomorrow, December 5, is the birthday of actor Nick Stahl (born in 1979), who plays Ben Hawkins in the HBO series "Carnivale". Happy birthday, Nick! Saturday, December 6, is the feast day of St. Nicholas, the patron Saint of me, Nick Kaffes, and al Nicholases, Nicoles, Colins, Coles, Kolyas, Colettes, etc. December 6 also happens to be the birthday of actor Patrick Bauchau (born in 1938), who plays Lodz in "Carnivale". Happy birthday, Patrick! In the 12th and final episode of the first season of "Carnivale", that was shown last Sunday, Ben killed Lodz to resurrect Ruthie (played by Adrienne Barbeau). However, since Ben, Management (played by Linda Hunt), and Brother Justin (played by Clancy Brown) have great powers, granted to them by the Entities, there is a good chance that Lodz will be back in the second season of "Carnivale", expected in 2005. Here is some food for thought: Patrick Bauchau's (Lodz) birthday is December 6, but his name day, St. Patrick's Day, is March 17. Patrick's mother was Russian (Mary Kozyrev) and in the Orthodox Church calendar March 17 happens to be the feast day of St. Alexius. Well, Alexei happens to be the childhood name of Carnivale's Brother Justin, who was born in Russia. The struggle between Ben and Lodz was an encounter by proxy between Ben and Brother Justin. "Carnivale" is an allegory about the life and career of Empress Heidi. Ben (NICK Stahl) and Brother Justin (Clancy BROWN) represent me, Nick Kaffes. "Kaffes" means "coffee" in Greek, and also "brown", the color of coffee. Therefore, my name means NICK BROWN. Brother Justin's sister, Sister Iris (played by Amy Madigan), represents my wife Dina. The first words spoken in Episode 12 of "Carnivale" are "More coffee?", addressed by Sister Iris to Brother Justin. Carnivale's Sofie (played by Clea Duvall) may be pregnant by the coffee shop owner that she encountered at 12:25 pm in Episode 4 ("Black Blizzard"). 12:25 pm? Or 12/25, December 25, my birthday? More coffee? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: programming note from Kansan On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Eb wrote: > 12:25 pm? Or 12/25, December 25, my birthday? > > More coffee? Mommy, my head hurts. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:57:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Hotmail (was Re: Grant Morrison, etc.) on 12/4/03 11:18 AM, Natalie Jacobs at emma_blowgun@hotmail.com wrote: >> It does suck, everytime they 'improve' it it gets more hideous than the >> previous setup. > > Yeah, tell me about it. I should probably switch to my Earthlink account, > but I suspect that the method for forwarding mail from my Hotmail account is > so ridiculously convoluted that it might not be worth the trouble. Does > anyone know how to do that? www.mailblocks.com I've been using it for about eight months now and it RULES. You can keep your Hotmail account and have mailblocks check it for you AND filter out the spam (seriously - it does). $10 per year for a 15Meg. IMAP account. Sign up now and get an extra two years free. Natalie - because I love you so much I'll give you back the $10 if you don't like it. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:06:16 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Stocking Stuffers Amazon.com shopper's suggestions for the perfect compliment to MJ's "Number Ones" http://tinyurl.com/xryi - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:25:22 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Chamber poop... then and now Miles: >>Time for my biannual expression of surprise that anyone thinks bonus >>tracks should count? Guess so. 'Course they shouldn't. But the Robyn-specific problem is that dratted IODOT reissue with the bonus tracks right in the middle, meaning those who first encounter that version (most these days, I'd guess) get an entirely different record than we* did. Groovy Nimoy... Naked presents a lot of problems, existing now in three forms, none of which really seem definitive in terms of sequence or song selection, but most of us don't rate any of them too highly, so whatever. Sigh. At least nobody's tried to change the sequence of Big Star's Third for a decade and a half or so now. Invisible Hitchcock is pretty well messed around, too, but since it started off as odds and sods anyway that doesn't bug me much at all. >>It's OK with me if you drink, Rex. Heh... just try and stop me! >>And I actually like Stew, though I don't know how he compares to Pernice, >>he's clearly an exception, and I haven't heard his new one. The new Stew (revue) is if anything too sparse and sketchy sounding. I think some of your more-loathed instruments put in cameos (horns and other lushy things) but usually in solo rather than choral form. Some fine songwriting as always, but an oddly demo-ish set for someone who self-releases bootlegged demos anyhow. It does feature the best song about the emotional state of a statue since "Underwater Moonlight", though ("The Statue Got Me High" doesn't count since I don't really get much sense of the title character's agenda, although doubtless it drips with existential angst and schadenfreude and not inconsiderable sturm und/or drang). And 'course I haven't heard the Pernice Bros. neither. >>FWIW, earlier today I was thinking about how what I might have identified >>in the mid-'80s as the "wussy" side of my collection (Aztec Camera, Felt, Prefab >>Sprout, the Blue Nile) sound like Motorhead compared to a lot of the "lush" >>stuff I've heard over the last ten years. Innaresting, and I think I'll part ways with you here a little but, since Felt is really the only one of those groups I truly like (if you extended that list I'm sure I'd like more, being no stranger to wussy music... go, Field Mice!). To me, those '80's bands, by managing to be wussy mostly within theoretical "rock band" models, are more stridently wussy than these newer guys who kind of self-identify as "chamber-pop" to begin with. And I'd have to start naming names, but a fair amount of your present-day wuss-rockers draw on weirder experimental traditions (like Krautrock, dub, the occasional Kevin Shields- or oddball-Eno-derived stuff) than those relatively conventional '80's bands (Felt aside, again). My problem is that it's overstayed its welcome, and that's starting to affect my view of all it. (And of course I never did much rate Belle and Sebastian anyhow.) Really my favorite lush record is the one with "De-Luxe" and "Thoughtforms" on it... the video for the former led to several years of me trying to look like Miki Berenyi. The fact that I was male and had no Asian heritage whatsoever didn't seem to occur to me until people started to think I was going for the Kurt Cobain thing. At that point the hair went back to brown and stopped being cut at all, resulting in the unfortunate "Neil from the Young Ones/taller version of J Mascis" period. Ah, the nineties. The god. Damned. Nineties. Oh, wait, this is a different kind of lush. In that case, "Tonight's the Night". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:26:08 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: more dog wank >>...and anyone >>who's done it will tell you "beating off" isn't really that hard at >>all. > >Is that term even used in England at all? not until the last few years, and even now I'd guess it's rare. why use a long winded term like that when you can just say "wank"? >You're looking for a conclusive proof of a negative. Not going to happen. gah! That's twice in a week I've agreed with Jeme! Scientific method states that you cannot successfully prove the null hypothesis. >>And I really, really, really hate to even mention this, but the >>proofreader in me is too strong - it's "masturbation," not >>"mastrubation." Thanks. aaah. thank you. I've been itching to do that, too (erm - correct the spelling,that is) - --- >Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to be that noone's actually >mentioned Pink Floyd's "Dogs". (Or Pink Floyd's "Dogs of War", come to >that.) you're wrong. I mentioned both, and I wasn't the first to mention "Dogs" >First of all. I'm very satisfied with the dog suggestions (intrigued by the >Pink Floyd/Jethro Tull propensities). and I forgot Jethro Tull's best lyric to mention a dog - "Orion": "Orion, light your lights, cone guard the open spaces, From the black horizon to the pillow where I lie Your faithful dog shines brighter than its lord and master Your jewelled sword twinkles as the world rolls by" >> Zappa - "Dog Breath, in the Year of the Plague," "Dog Breath >> Variations" > >And of course "Evelyn, a Modified Dog" don't forget the Nanook/Huskies/Yellow Snow cycle James (arf, he says) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:26:12 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: songwriting >>When I write songs, I'm usually aware of every possible interpretation >>before I let anyone hear it. that's just plain weird. When I write songs I use the words which best fit the meaning I want to give them. Any other interpretations aren't relevant to me. Sure, if there's a glaring double entendre I might get rid of it, but other than that I use the words that best fit what I want to say. Of course, that means I've had people come up to me with their own pet theories of my songs (no, "In the morning light" is NOT about abortion, thank you very much - and "Bear town" is NOT about murdering a close relation. And no, none of my songs are about masturbation, either). James PS - my favourite song about wanking is "St. Swithin's Day" by Billy Bragg. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:26:34 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #447 >James Dignan wrote: >> A little more seriously, as regards the >> self-released Robyn discs, I own no >> credit card, and he has never visited New Zealand. >> I'd love to own his >> self-released albums, but the opportunity does not >> exist. > >Actually, the Museum doesn't take credit cards; you >can pay with a money order though. If you contacted >David Greenberger, you two could figure something out. >His e-mail is duplanet@nycap.rr.com (assuming I >transcribed that correctly; the link would have opened >Outlook, which I will not do under any >circumstances!!). > >The contact page is: > >http://www.robynhitchcock.com/office.htm thanks for that. Hope he takes cheques - NZ doesn't use International Money Orders (weird but true). Usually, if I've needed to send fund overseas, I've used the risky but effective method of actuually sending real money. Which is why i don't do that very often. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:41:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: bonus-track controversy I don't think bonus tracks should "count." On the other hand, I feel really torn when rating the Who's Live at Leeds, because I like the new version (with bonus tracks inserted throughout) *so* much better than the original. And since they're from the same performance, anyway.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:43:12 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: crossing the threads >But speaking of EoL, its original CD bonus tracks are among my very >favorite Hitchcock songs, period: > >* The Black Crow Knows (kids, written well before those skinny Robinson >brothers were ever heard from) I still want to hear Jethro Tull do this song... >Interpolating a curve that sets the 72% actually achieved as the new 100% >possible gives you this: > >A+ - 100% >A - (100-95.7%] >A- - (95.7-91.4%] >B+ - (91.4-87.1%] >B - (87.1-82.8%] >B- - (82.8-78.5%] >C+ - (78.5-74.2%] >C - (74.2-69.9%] >C- - (69.9-65.6%] >D+ - (65.6-61.3%] >D - (61.3-57.0%] >D- - (57.0-52.7%] >F - <52.7% it all depends on the way exams are graded. After all, in many (most?) English speaking countries, D is a fail, E is a bad fail. C- is "we'll say you passed, but you can't do the next course up". ISTR the ones we used for grading at university (which were the same as those at high school) were: A+ >98% A 92-98% A- 86-92% B+ 80-86% B 74-80% B- 68-74% C+ 62-68% C 56-62% C- 50-56% D+ 44-50% D 38-44% D- 32-38% E+ 26-32% E 0-26% >I have no idea how this relates to making rock and/or roll records, >though. it doesn't. - --- Rex wrote >James: >>>little more seriously, as regards the self-released Robyn discs, I own no >>>credit card, and he has never visited New Zealand. I'd love to own his >>>self-released albums, but the opportunity does not exist. > >Dude. Announcing: James Aid. Who's with me... it would cost us, like, 50 >cents apiece to buy these bad boys and send 'em to NZ, right? aw. I'm touched (probably in the head). Thanks for the thought. >I was already thinking that one of us U.S./U.K. folks could buy them for >James, and he could pay that generous person back, which might be a little >cleaner of a solution than someone gathering dough from a bunch of places, >but whatever gets the discs there, I'm for. not a bad solution! Anyone? - --- > LONDON (AP) -- David Hemmings, the British actor... >Born Nov. 18, 1941 in Guildford, England... synchronicity rules? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:00:35 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: songwriting At 12:26 PM 12/5/2003 +1300, James Dignan wrote: > my favourite song about wanking is "St. Swithin's Day" by Billy Bragg. Is "Turning Japanese" really about that same subject, or is that just an urban myth? Supposedly, Morrissey's "Nobody Loves Us" is also about that sort of thing. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:23:01 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: re: poll - -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 4. Dezember 2003 11:03 Uhr -0800 regarding re: poll: > It's the second highest compliment I ever > received formally as an academic. That's the second largest monkey head I've ever seen! (I never really did get that - is that funny on more than one level?) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: crossing the threads On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, James Dignan wrote: > it all depends on the way exams are graded. After all, in many (most?) > English speaking countries, D is a fail, E is a bad fail. C- is "we'll say > you passed, but you can't do the next course up". What's the point of giving grades below failing? I do seem to recall that my university gave credit for D[+-], but you couldn't mark the course as completed for the purposes of prerequisites on other courses. So you had to take it again for no credit to improve your grade... which seems to totally bite. But that's a grey area I can understand. But distinguishing between fail and "bad fail" just seems like rubbing it in. > > LONDON (AP) -- David Hemmings, the British actor... > > >Born Nov. 18, 1941 in Guildford, England... > > synchronicity rules? Oh, it's not mere synchronicity. Robyn's song is about David Hemmings. The metaphors are very clear. I'd like to see conclusive proof otherwise. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:17:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: songwriting on 12/4/03 4:00 PM, Jason R. Thornton at jthornton@ucsd.edu wrote: > At 12:26 PM 12/5/2003 +1300, James Dignan wrote: > >> my favourite song about wanking is "St. Swithin's Day" by Billy Bragg. > > Is "Turning Japanese" really about that same subject, or is that just an > urban myth? > > Supposedly, Morrissey's "Nobody Loves Us" is also about that sort of thing. > Here we go... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:23:09 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: no grade, no diploma Jeme correctly pointed out: >This is why Thomas Jefferson had no grades or diplomas at his >University of Virginia. These days they have the biggest frigging diplomas on the planet. My wife's two diplomas from UVA take up most of a wall. Quaint school, though -- and they keep Edgar Poe's room the way he left it. - -- ========= I need unguent. SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:05:51 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: re: poll Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > What does "B+" re a CD tell you that a hundred > > > well-written words can't do better? > > > > Whether or not you want to bother reading the 100 > > well-written words. Not that reading 100 words takes > > that much time, but still. > > With the caveat that you know enough about the critic > in question's taste to judge whether that grade would > be reasonable assessment (even if you don't always > agree, of course). Hmm...even with that cavaet, I'm not sure I agree. A well-written review's worth reading even if you completely think the ideas expressed are from stupidtown. But then, I don't read reviews for consumer advice - - I read to get some idea what the music sounds like and feels like to its listeners. At times, those descriptions are intriguing enough for me to check things out. That's almost as reliable a method as looking at the artwork. Seriously: back when I was writing reviews, I'd sort the discs into must-hear, next-in-line, and probably-forgettable, based of course on if I knew the band, but in most cases I didn't - in which cases I judged based on the artwork (if there was any). I was right about 75-80% of the time. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:46:01 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Masturbation the English way Yup, over here it's wanking, mostly, though if you said beating or jacking off, we'd probably know what you meant. Also we have tossing off, leading to the famous double entendre, "I spent the night tossing... and turning". Then there are all the various American "spank the monkey" and the English "bashing the bald bishop"... Unlike this wanking-obsessed Robyn bloke everyone keeps going on about, I have yet to write a song about masturbation, though looking through the titles of my self-penned oeuvre, there are those on the list who would no doubt interpret them as such (eg. "Depilated Senior Cleric Pugilism", "One-handed wonder", "Hairy Palms", "Hand Shandy" and the allegorical "Wanking My Cock")... Now can we get back on topic and discuss the war in Iraq and that bastard Bush? Cheers Matt >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >Reply-To: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >>...and anyone > >>who's done it will tell you "beating off" isn't really that hard at > >>all. > > > >Is that term even used in England at all? > >not until the last few years, and even now I'd guess it's rare. why use a >long winded term like that when you can just say "wank"? > >James (arf, he says) > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:56:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reap (1% RH) On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Eb wrote: > Born Nov. 18, 1941 in Guildford, England, Hemmings began his career as a > singer, with nightclub appearances in his early 20s, before moving onto the > stage and gradually into films. > His early British movie roles usually saw him cast as misunderstood youths > and belligerent "Teddy Boys," leading to his role in Michelangelo > Antonioni's "Blow Up." > His boyish good looks were also put to use in science-fiction romp > "Barbarella" and the film version of the stage musical "Camelot." > He also played Cassius in Ridley Scott's epic "Gladiator" and Mr. > Schermerhorn in Martin Scorsese's "Gangs of New York." His most recent > appearance was in the 2003 Sean Connery movie "League of Extraordinary > Gentlemen." The UK tributes have emphasised "Last Orders", which I suppose was his last appearance in an English setting. I remember him being disastrously miscast as Alfred the Great in the film of the same name: I would have thought Connery, Alfred Lynch, Richard Harris, Peter Finch, anybody except Mick Jagger could have done a better job. Incidentally, did East End band Squeeze take their name from Hemmings film "The Squeeze"? - - MRG PS I can claim a link to DH as my uncle produced one of his early films: PPS And how about this: Dog Songs > Mad Dogs + Englishmen > Noel Coward > Blithe Spirit > My wife and my dead wife > Robyn Hitchcock ? n.p. Old Yeller ("Best doggone dog in the west") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:06:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bush II, Conqueror of the Desert On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Now can we get back on topic and discuss the war in Iraq and that bastard > Bush? The thing that cheeses me off is these announcers who say things like "This was the 100th casualty since the end of hostilities". What definition of 'hostilities' are they using? - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:01:13 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Putin the Putrid, Conquerer of the Proletariat [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:06 , Michael R Godwin sent: >The thing that cheeses me off is these announcers who say things like >"This was the 100th casualty since the end of hostilities". What >definition of 'hostilities' are they using? Why isn't the same type expression used when describing casualties in Chechnya? What's the total so far, this year? Funny how few are actually reported by Russia or the rest of world's press. Why don't we use the misery and suffering there as a comparison? Asylum seekers from Chechnya continue to increase exponentially while the Iraqi asylum seekers have dwindled to barely a drip. If you want to make a really good comparison take a look at before and after pictures from Baghdad and then look at those from Grozny. Do the Russians even have a word for precision? gSs - ---- Msg sent via WebMail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #450 ********************************