From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #444 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 2 2003 Volume 12 : Number 444 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Let's hear it for irony [FSThomas ] Re: let's hear... [Jeff Dwarf ] Love in Hand ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: No, I don't remember JfS ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: A Can Of Bees ["Jonathan Fetter" ] my theory about Guildford which is mine [Dolph Chaney ] Re: A Can Of Bees [Ken Weingold ] Let's hear it for the (soft) boy ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS [Caroline Smith ] RE: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: I heard the threads merge under my feet [Miles Goosens ] Re: Rocket From the Tombs [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:06:54 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Let's hear it for irony At 08:46 AM 12/2/2003 -0800, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >Yeah, but that's the albums vs. each other. Someone >whose album work averages out to B or B+ is probably >an A artist because, erm, uh, ya see when you put his >average for albums against most other artists, it >will, um, er, ah, the curve you see, it's all in the >curve. That's it!!! Totally!! I, like, mean it. Or >something. Not to mention that the bulk of the people on the list have seen RH in concert and, if my humble opinion amounts to a hill of beans, his live performances more than make up for Groovy Dec(a/o)y et. al. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: let's hear... Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Now, who was it here claimed that They Might Be > Giants were primarily about existential angst or > something...? That wasn't the odd thing about Jeme's statement about TMBG -- it was that he said he couldn't understand why people (which is to say, I) thought TMBG were _funny._ As if being funny and existentially angsty were somehow contradictory. ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" -- Craig Kilborn "I don't think the Bush administration lied to us about Iraq. I think it's worse than that. I think they fooled themselves. I think they were conned by Ahmad Chalabi. I think they indulged in wishful thinking to a point of near criminality. I think they decided anyone who didn't agree with them was an enemy, anti-American, disloyal. In other words, I think they're criminally stupid." -- Molly Ivins __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:18:07 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Love in Hand "Love In Hand." Sounds like a song title by that Hitchcock guy that deals with mastrubation through a Hegelian construct, by way of Marxist deconstruction of Hesse's ideas, with a bit of Lacan thrown in for good measure. Or not. > From: Miles Goosens > > Back from WV, FOREVER CHANGES LP in hand (wait, that's for Loud-Fans), Is it an an original Electra pressing, or the reissue? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: No, I don't remember JfS Anyways, what > >are > >your specific complaints about "Jewels"? I'm still confused why you think > >it "sucks", not that aesthetic opinions necessarily need to be justified. Darn this list, it made me listen to JfS again. Gave it a cursory listening on the way to work this morning, cuz I just got "Hail to the Thief" last night and wanted to listen to that to...Anyway, here's what bugs me, apart from what Gnat mentions below: - -Robyn adopts an annoying (to me) singing voice sporadically throughout the album (the "love" in "I feel beautiful, because I looooove you" for example). Sort of a throaty overemphasis. Am I wrong in thinking that this is the only album in which he does this? - -All of the cannabalistic imagery doesn't work for me either. I understand loving someone that much, but I don't want to hear about it. - -Granted, "Cheese Alarm" isn't just a list of cheeses (my bad), It's a list of cheeses with a political statement at the end. The intro is dull and noodly and doesn't add to the song for me. And I don't need Robyn telling me about overconsumption--I see it all around me. - -"Nasa Clapping" really annoys me, "Viva Sea-Tac" less so. Can't stand "Sweet Mouth." Generally, my acid test for an album is whether I find myself singing along with it in the car (I'm sure my in-car renditions of Sigur Ros songs have resulted in several partial resurrections). I stay mute during JfS. Just my non-academic opinions. It seems for every feg who dislikes this album there is one who loves it. I'd rate the album a C- cuz there are some passable songs like "Mexican God" and "Sally was a Legend." Knowing what I know now after listening, I probably would have given JfS a pass--which is why I'm still on the fence about buying Luxor. I wonder if there is a correlation that people who dislike JfS also dislike Luxor, and vice versa. > I said it "blows," not "sucks," there's a difference. :P > > To be honest, I haven't listened to JfS in so long that I can't name too > many specifics, but in general I find it tedious, uninventive, and lacking > in the Robyn surrealism/emotional twistedness that I enjoy in his music... > the opening of a door into his own private universe. The beauty and depth > of Element of Light or IODOT aren't there, nor are the pop pleasures of > Fegmania and Globe of Frogs. There's some songs that I like, such as > "Mexican God" and a couple of others that I don't remember, but overall it's > just boring. Not as boring as Luxor, though. > > FYI, my first Robyn album was Queen Elvis, Fegmania! was the gateway album for me. I've always tried to approach Robyn's songs with the view that he's trying to accomplish an emotional impact--the sum of the lyrics is greater than an individual line-by-line analysis or something like that-- thus I've never been too interested in searching for hidden meanings. I like to think that each listener can have their own interpretation and that Robyn isn't trying to trap his listeners into one meaning that has to be picked out (tho admittedly there are songs that stand up to the picking). But if picking apart songs is your cup of dried leaves in hot water, post away! Cheers, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: A Can Of Bees H would be for "helpless" I would think. > I once came across an A-H scale. F was fail, G was bad fail, and H was > "Don't even think about resitting this topic". > > - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:34:22 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: my theory about Guildford which is mine ...I always thought that the reference to "Jenner Road" in "No, I Don't Remember Guildford" had to do with Peter Jenner, who was Robyn's manager for a while in the '90s. That's as far as I got, but overall that leads me to thinking that the song is a kind of elegy to their business relationship (and possibly otherwise). Again, never seen any support for this idea anywhere else, it's just what I think. - -- Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: A Can Of Bees > Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > > ps Since when does a grading scale have an E? At my middle school (6th-8th grades) we used E instead of F for a failing grade. I guess the administrators thought that using the letter F, and skipping conspicuously from D to F just to have the same first letter as "failure," was a little too harsh for the kids. In other threads, I started listening to Robyn fairly late: ca. 1991-1992. The first RH I definitely remember hearing (and seeing) was the "So You Think You're In Love" video on MTV. (I probably heard him at parties or on college radio before that, though; I just can't remember for sure.) I later picked up a clearance-sale copy of Perspex Island. But what turned me from an occasional listener to a fan was hearing Underwater Moonlight at our former Quail's apartment in late 1992 or maybe 1993.... And while I'm far, far too lazy to grade all the RH/SB albums, I listen to IODOT, Fegmania! and Underwater Moonlight much more often than the others, so I guess they would get the A-pluses. I haven't listened to Groovy Decay/Decoy in a few years now, so I guess it should get the lowest grade; but even that one wouldn't get an F (or E) from me. Oh, and I passed through the fabled state of West Virginia on the way back from Thanksgiving in Ohio. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:11:19 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: A Can Of Bees I remember 'E' being for 'E'xcellent as well. Or as people wanted to believe. - -Ken On Tue, Dec 2, 2003, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > H would be for "helpless" I would think. > > > I once came across an A-H scale. F was fail, G was bad fail, and H > was > > "Don't even think about resitting this topic". > > > > - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:16:30 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Let's hear it for the (soft) boy Ross T: >>Rex's "I got beat up by the Dirt" sounds like a Zappa title -- I was thinking Minutemen, but I can see that. __________ Eb: >>My seventh Neil Young album was Time Fades Away. Still unissued on CD. Also, Scott Miller rules. Sometimes I just have to say the lines they've written for me. _________ JeFFrey: >>For me, pop songs - even by as thoughtful an artist as Robyn - are >>unlikely to be capable of bearing such interpretive weight. I don't think >>many pop writers sit down intending to layer multiple narratives, etc., >>into a three-minute song. I'd make a minor distinction here... the *intention* of the song may not bear up to that interpretive weight, but the resulting song just might. Continuing: >>For me, a more fruitful approach is to begin >>with what seems like the emotional thrust of the song and *then* look at >>the lyrics and music and see in what ways they work with that feeling. And part of this is contingent on how much conscious control the artist has over his work. Someone who's meticulous as hell and parses every word, all craftsmanlike... I'm picturing Elvis Costello, maybe... has left deliberate clues for us there. Even ambiguity is intentional for these folks (or at least serves a very specific purpose). On the opposite end of the spectrum there are folks who seem to have little to no control over what comes out of them as music and lyrics. Some of these folks are mentally ill and some are probably only *not* mentally ill because they get it out throught their songs. But sometimes they're just letting go and writing on instinct. So recurring themes do come through, as do images with meanings that might have been held back if there was more internal censorship. Dunno where Robyn fits on this spectrum. Certainly we've all heard him totally improvise songs from out of thin air, but these don't sound quite like his more "complete" songs. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever heard him talk about laboring over a song for months or years trying to hone the idea to a razor sharp point. On the third hand, if he had ever done that, I can't see him talking about it. So, erm, there you are. Certainly he has that Dylan idea that the songs are living things that might be changed lyrically every time out, or even stay the same and have their meanings shift anyway. Anyway, with this latter type of artist, there's a fine line between interpreting the meaning of the lyrics and psychoanalyzing the artist, which I think is where Devin's heading... perhaps bringing his own POV to it a little too strongly, but there's nothing specifically invalid about that. >>This usually means I'm really interpreting *my* reactions to the songs, >>with no attempt to presume that Robyn *meant* the song that way - only >>that I hear it that way. That's purt near how I do it, too, maybe specifically in Robyn's case because I'm not sure which of the two types of writers he is at any given moment. Devin: >>I think tone is one communicative tool that gets lost online. Is this the first time this has ever been said directly to, but not *about* Jeme? - -Rex, online tone-deaf where communicative tools are concerned ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:19:40 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: A Can Of Bees Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > H would be for "helpless" I would think. I also forgot the "No Mention" grade. That was basically where you did so badly in an exam that they didn't bother to mark it, and you weren't actually listed as ever taking it. I got a No Mention for my A-Level Special Maths. I got talked into sitting it by my mate Matthew, who is a maths genius. It was on my 18th birthday, my last day at school, and a gorgeous day. When I opened the exam paper to see proofs of things involving frictionless pulleys and light, inextensible strings, something snapped. I wrote my name, then: "1) I refuse to answer this question on the grounds that it is silly". I sat for a few minutes, watching the dust motes groove about in the light from the library windows, then walked out. Matthew got a special distinction, by the way. I would have liked to add that I went home and listened to A Can of Bees on my brother's hi-fi. But I think he'd already left home by then, taking his record collection with him. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:53:47 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS Such meat for discussion! An RH recording rating list and a question about my first Robyn album. IODOT, Element, Globe (Beatle Denis!) and Eye are my favorites and Underwater Moonlight is an awesome masterwerk. I really like his work with his old band on Piper at the Gates of Dawn as well. I'm putting together my Christmas cd this year soon and I wanted to remember my wonderful dog's passing with some cool songs about dogs. The only one I can think of is some Joan Baez (probably a folk tune) tune about her dog Blue. ANY IDEAS? Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Devin Lee Ens [mailto:dle306@mail.usask.ca] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:13 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Let's hear it for the artist I went down to Seattle the other week for my first ever Robyn Hitchcock gig. It was also my second ever excursion into the States. I liked Seattle, similar to Vancouver, but with more people, more concrete, less reserve and less grass. Actually, trying to define the Canadian identity, I found myself feeling very British when surrounded by Americans. I felt I had far more in common with the man on stage than anyone around me. Anyway, the show was excellent, my only disappointment is that he played nothing from Moss Elixir or Jewels for Sophia, which I assert are his finest albums. ME was in the lead for a long time (challenged only by Eye, but Eye am not ME), but when I started picking apart the lyrics on Jewels, I realised that the album represents a new level of poetic achievement for the artist. Maybe it's just the novelty of hearing him get so political on the first four songs (while maintaining his integrety and weaving his metaphors--past attempts didn't work so well: "Ruling Class" is okay, but lightweight, and "Legalised Murder" may be the most godawful thing I've ever heard the man record). Then there's JforS itself which seems to be a song about Robyn's method of songwriting ("never make a bad one out of all the stuff I weave"--note "Jewels for Sophia" by a loose synonymity translates to "Pearls of Wisdom"). Anyways, while musing on how much I love RH, and trying to figure out how to get my Philosophy and English profs back in Saskatoon into him, I made a silly little list grading each of his albums. It is meant to be a guide to keep people from picking up, say, the A&M "Greatest Hits" album and dismissing RH as a novelty act. I share it here to be provocative, as I've noticed some people referring to Globe of Frogs as a classic and dimissing Luxor, and I'm just amazed... a question mark indicates I do not have the album, and cannot rate it as a whole. A Can of Bees B Underwater Moonlight A Invisible Hits ? Black Snake Diamond Role B Groovy Decay F I Often Dream of Trains A+ Fegmania! C Element of Light B Gotta Let This Hen Out! C You & Oblivion A Invisible Hitchcock B A Globe of Frogs D Queen Elvis ? (I'm wary of this one--I like Madonna of the Wasps, and Wax Doll is okay, but "One Long Pair of Eyes"--what was he thinking!?) Eye A+ Perspex Island F (boring, utterly boring--stupid executive decision of 1990-91: "Hey, let's try to make Robyn Hitchcock mainstream! Get on the horn to Michael Stipe...") Respect A Moss Elixir A+ Mossy Liquor ? Jewels for Sophia A+ A Star for Bram ? (I SO HAVE TO GET A COPY OF THIS!) Luxor B The Soft Boys 1976-1981 (Rykodisc) A Uncorrected Personality Traits (Rhino) C RH & The Egyptians Greatest Hits (A&M) F- (whoever got the idea to put "One Long Pair of Eyes" and "Legalised Murder" on a greatest hits album should be slapped silly with a salmon, as should whoever thought to promote a cult artist with a "Greatest Hits" package in the first place!) All for now, comment encouraged, devo provocitus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:03:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: I heard the threads merge under my feet Ferris, then Jeff Dwarf, in response to my Eb-iny and irony post: >>Yeah, but that's the albums vs. each other. Someone >>whose album work averages out to B or B+ is probably >>an A artist because, erm, uh, ya see when you put his >>average for albums against most other artists, it >>will, um, er, ah, the curve you see, it's all in the >>curve. That's it!!! Totally!! I, like, mean it. Or >>something. > >Not to mention that the bulk of the people on the list have seen RH in >concert and, if my humble opinion amounts to a hill of beans, his live >performances more than make up for Groovy Dec(a/o)y et. al. Well, these reasonable caveats aside, the point is still that Eb was nearly crucified for saying something that could actually be *supported* by looking at the grades given Robyn's albums by his most devoted fans. Plus I don't think we had as good of an idea then about how tough of a grader Eb is -- I mean, how often does an album get a "16/20" from him? So "B" wasn't as "damning with faint praise" as it might have read at the time. Plus GROOVY DECAY rocks, whether y'all know it or not, and doesn't need to be "[made] up for." :-) Jeff Dwarf again: >That wasn't the odd thing about Jeme's statement about >TMBG -- it was that he said he couldn't understand why >people (which is to say, I) thought TMBG were _funny._ >As if being funny and existentially angsty were >somehow contradictory. Preach on, bro. Me, then Gene H.: >> From: Miles Goosens >> >> Back from WV, FOREVER CHANGES LP in hand (wait, that's for Loud-Fans), > >Is it an an original Electra pressing, or the reissue? As it turns out, an Elektra. I had misremembered it as the Rhino reissue, but judging from the "buy these great new Elektra albums!" inner sleeve, it looks like it was packaged in '81 -- the latest album depicted is the Cars' SHAKE IT UP. FOREVER CHANGES came up recently on Loud-Fans, and I remembered it as one of those "classic" influences that didn't grab me when I first heard it, but I probably hadn't listened to it since I was 15 or 16 (i.e., '82-'83). I mean, in general the big arrangement thing just isn't my bag, but I don't feel comfortable shrugging it off without giving it a fair listening as an adult. Thus me grabbing it over Thanksgiving weekend from the vinyl still stored at my mom's. Played it once last night -- initial reactions were: * it rocked a lot more than I remembered * Rex's Loud-Fans comparison to Echo & the Bunnymen's OCEAN RAIN was on target for three or four of the songs (OCEAN RAIN also being fresh in my mind since I picked up the U.K. Bunnymen reissues to listen to during the drive to/from WV) * FOREVER CHANGES may still not be something with which I'm enthralled But I'm not hating it or anything. At least two more listens coming up. For what it's worth, I do like Robyn's "The Wreck of the Arthur Lee." Ross: >My wife, who grew up mostly in N. Virginia, but whose family are from >Shinnston WVa (sorta >near Morgantown?) & has spent time there & listened to lots of tales of >there, listened to that >interview. She thought he sounded narrowly bitter, & felt he would be less >interesting than Denise >Giardina. who wrote "The Unquiet Earth." It's about mining & union fights & >starts in the '30s >but comes forward at least to the 60s and is also about living life. At any >rate, she recommends Giardina on WVa. I have no idea where Shinnston is, btw. Anyway, my mom has read Giardina's stuff and likes it, so that's two Giardina recommendations, so I may pick one of her books for a holiday read. I concur with your wife on how Maynard sounded in the interview. Please thank her for the comment and suggestion! BTW, the John Sayles film MATEWAN gets the WV stuff right, including the "mine wars" of the 1920s -- my grandfather, who was a part of them, didn't live to see the movie, but it matches up with his stories, and my wife's grandfather saw the film and said that it was exactly on target. It was filmed in Raleigh County (the real Matewan, in Mingo County, didn't work out for shooting), and that's pretty much the way my part of the state looks. Sid Hatfield was shot on the courthouse steps in Welch, the county seat of my home county. Chris Gross: >Oh, and I passed through the fabled state of West Virginia on the way back >from Thanksgiving in Ohio. I'll guess I-64 to I-77, then... I-70? Depends on where you were going in Ohio, I guess. Anyway, this would have taken you through authentic parts of the state (including Feg-inquired Beckley, at the I-64/I-77 junction), instead of those Marylandish bits up near DC. :-) On THE X-FILES, one of the things on the walls of Mulder's office was a map of West Virginia. tamarack-ack-ack-ack-ack, Miles "I'm just waiting for West Virginia to be partitioned among its neighbors, like Poland." - - my pal Danny Cantrell, still a Mountain State resident ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:12:34 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: RE: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:53:47 -0600 , "Iosso, Ken" said: > I'm putting together my Christmas cd this year soon and I wanted to > remember > my wonderful dog's passing with some cool songs about dogs. The only one > I > can think of is some Joan Baez (probably a folk tune) tune about her dog > Blue. > > ANY IDEAS? Wey Wey Hep A Hole Last Dog in Space -Snail Atomic Dog- George Clinton Lassi Went to the Moon - Camper Van Beethoven ... - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:08:50 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: Re: I heard the threads merge under my feet On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:03:30 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote > BTW, the John Sayles film MATEWAN gets the WV stuff right, including > the "mine wars" of the 1920s -- my grandfather, who was a part of > them, didn't live to see the movie, but it matches up with his > stories, and my wife's grandfather saw the film and said that it was > exactly on target. It was filmed in Raleigh County (the real > Matewan, in Mingo County, didn't work out for shooting), and that's > pretty much the way my part of the state looks. and if all that isn't recommendation enough, it also has a very young will oldham in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:19:52 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: unsubscribe Guys- i will need to unsubscribe for the next 2 months. I'll be living in Hawaii with the family, and their computer set up is less than desirable. Can someone e-mail me on the procedure and contact? Thanks! Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:14:57 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS On Dec 2, 2003, at 1:53 PM, Iosso, Ken wrote: > > I'm putting together my Christmas cd this year soon and I wanted to > remember > my wonderful dog's passing with some cool songs about dogs. The only > one I > can think of is some Joan Baez (probably a folk tune) tune about her > dog > Blue. > > ANY IDEAS? Everything Reminds Me of my Dog by Jane Siberry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:27:11 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Rocket From the Tombs I think I emailed briefly with someone on this list who was looking forward to seeing Rocket From the Tombs on their current tour. I think it was even someone with whom I've traded CD-Rs and corresponded before and whose name I should remember perfectly well, but due to my brane being overloaded and this particular email account getting hosed for no apparent reason a couple weeks back, I can't remember nor look up, . . . But whoever you are, you should be pleased to know that the Rocket From the Tombs show last night in Bloomington, IN, was *elemental* - it kicked ass succinctly and perfectly - and the recording should turn out Just Peachy, and you should email me again so I can send you a CD-R of it when it's ready. There. And anybody else, too - I'll see how much time I have for trades/B&Ps/whatever. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:28:29 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Let's hear it for the artist & SONGS ABOUT DOGS > said: > > I'm putting together my Christmas cd this year soon and I wanted to > > remember > > my wonderful dog's passing with some cool songs about dogs. The only one > > I > > can think of is some Joan Baez (probably a folk tune) tune about her dog > > Blue. > > > > ANY IDEAS? "Givin' the Dog a Bone" - AC/DC - --Jason "nuthin' Freudian there" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:31:49 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: I heard the threads merge under my feet At 01:08 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, cmb adams wrote: >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:03:30 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote >> BTW, the John Sayles film MATEWAN gets the WV stuff right, including >> the "mine wars" of the 1920s -- my grandfather, who was a part of >> them, didn't live to see the movie, but it matches up with his >> stories, and my wife's grandfather saw the film and said that it was >> exactly on target. It was filmed in Raleigh County (the real >> Matewan, in Mingo County, didn't work out for shooting), and that's >> pretty much the way my part of the state looks. > >and if all that isn't recommendation enough, >it also has a very young will oldham in it. And a younger Chris Cooper, and some choice IWW references. On reflection, I realized that Chris Gross probably wouldn't veer down to I-64 to go to Ohio, so now I'm betting that his WV crossing(s) were through bits of the Eastern and Northern panhandles -- i.e., the easily annexable parts. :-) I actually looked at a map before this e-mail, which helped. See, I'm a lot better on things south of the Kanawha. later, Miles, whose high school football team *almost* played the Musselman Applemen in the football playoffs when he was in 10th grade -- a WV team name second only to the Poca Dots, and maybe the very confused Athens Trojans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:35:32 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: ZOINKS I haven't seen this pop up on the list yet, but all you lucky Maxwell's attendees should pipe up: ============================ Requests Wanted Robyn will be taking requests for his two shows at Maxwell's in Hoboken on Saturday, December 6th. Though there's no guarantee that all of them will be performed, these requests may be emailed in advance ============================ (Link: http://www.robynhitchcock.com/auditori.htm) - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:36:45 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Rocket From the Tombs On Tue, Dec 2, 2003, da9ve stovall wrote: > I think I emailed briefly with someone on this list who was looking > forward to seeing Rocket From the Tombs on their current tour. I > think it was even someone with whom I've traded CD-Rs and > corresponded before and whose name I should remember perfectly well, > but due to my brane being overloaded and this particular email > account getting hosed for no apparent reason a couple weeks back, I > can't remember nor look up, . . . But whoever you are, you should > be pleased to know that the Rocket From the Tombs show last night in > Bloomington, IN, was *elemental* - it kicked ass succinctly and > perfectly - and the recording should turn out Just Peachy, and you > should email me again so I can send you a CD-R of it when it's > ready. There. And anybody else, too - I'll see how much time I > have for trades/B&Ps/whatever. I bet you're thinking of Max Lang. And great to hear. I'm going up to Boston to see them this weekend and cannot wait, since I missed this past tour. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #444 ********************************