From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #437 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 437 Today's Subjects: ----------------- whatever [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: whatever [Eb ] Re: whatever ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Hamlet/Survivor/Voyager Smackdown (not really) etc. ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Which days, now? [Eb ] Paging Gnatmaniax [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Paging Gnatmaniax [John Barrington Jones ] Re: listmaniax [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: listmaniax [Eb ] whilst in list mode ... the 100 songs of the 20th century ["Stewart C. Ru] Re: listmaniax [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: listmaniax [Eb ] The season to give thanks (not in the UK). ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Hitchcock, Largo 11/25 [Capuchin ] Re: The season to give thanks (not in the UK). [Michael R Godwin Wishing Americans a happy THanksgiving & Britons some pagan corn-god thing >& wondering if >New Zealand celebrates its settlement in any way. Waitangi Day, in February. We don't have a public holiday between Labour Day (late October) and Christmas, though there were Hallowe'en and Fireworks night a couple of weeks back. Happy celebrations to y'all, no matter what it is you're celebrating. - --- I seem to have 43 of that top 100 and - at a quick glance - about 140 of the full 500. A bit of a cheat putting "Greatest Hits" packages in there. Couldn't understand the low rankings of "Help!" and "Hard Day's Night" until I realised that these would be the US versions of the albums. Many other omissions and weird choices but I ain't gonna go through 500 albums searching them out. >I owned just under half of the 500, for what it's worth. Several >others have been on my shopping list for awhile, such as Sandinista, >Tonight's the Night and, well, just about anything by Bob Marley. >They're never gonna get me to buy any U2 or Michael Jackson, though. Nor me with the Whitney Houston (in the top 500? Jeez). "Legend" is a good starting point for Marley. More or less a best-of, so it shouldn't have been on that 500 list either! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:56:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: whatever >Couldn't understand the low rankings of "Help!" and "Hard Day's Night" >until I realised that these would be the US versions of the albums. I doubt they meant the original US versions, especially since the UK versions were made the standard during the CD age. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:57:31 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: whatever At 12:39 PM 11/26/2003 +1300, James Dignan wrote: >Couldn't understand the low rankings of "Help!" and "Hard Day's Night" >until I realised that these would be the US versions of the albums. I'm not really sure which version of these albums they were using when determining their Top 500. I know in the "Rubber Soul" article, they brought up "Drive My Car" and mention that the UK version is the only one available on CD in the US (making it the "new," currently available US version). Since this is true of the previous albums as well, I assume they took both versions into consideration - or maybe even just the CD/UK version. >Nor me with the Whitney Houston (in the top 500? Jeez). Debbie Gibson got shafted. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:01:01 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Hamlet/Survivor/Voyager Smackdown (not really) etc. This one time at band camp, ross taylor wrote: >But, GU, wasn't "These Days" by Townes Van Zandt? Not familiar with Van Zandt's song. Allmusic.com shows no song called "These Days" by Townes Van Zandt. Browne's "TD" was recorded by Nico, 10,000 Maniacs, Gregg Allman, Golden Palominos, Ian Matthews, New Grass Revival, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, and Tom Rush. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:18:50 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Which days, now? Miles: >>Maynard is now officially the first genuine Appalachian person I've heard >>say "Appalachian" with a long "a" in the middle (ap-uh-lay-shun), but he also >>had a period in his life where he was desperate to shed his identity as a >>West Virginian, so he might have picked it up in those days. (Hangs head in shame for, what, third time today)... I'm pretty sure I say it with the "lay", although I'm not sure and if I try to say it now it'll mean nothing. Actually, trying to think about it, I probably pronounce the mountains and region with a "latch" and the music and culture with a "lay". I never tried to shed the accent, but it went away on its own. When my wife met me, I'd lived in LA for about three years and she thought I was from Orange Cou... er, "The OC". And nah, didn't really think you were bustin' my chops on the DS9 thing. The way I recall Season One, it was trying to hard to be the "dark and gritty" Trek. I think Megan and I were kind of casual viewers of both DS9 and B5 in that first season, and we got more hooked in by the arc of B5... DS9 didn't get rolling as much on that front until a few years later. Incidentally, another thing B5 deserves credit for is the fact that when they replaced the captain, whose arc had obviously been fairly well worked out for several seasons to come, they actually managed to retro-con it in a way that worked pretty darn well. The fact that it was mapped out in advance at all was impressive... so many shows since have tried to act like they know where they're going when they really don't. Hey, lookee what's on Fox tonight... Actually we pretty much missed the whole TNT run of B5 because at the time they ran the same feed to both coasts simultaneously, so those 8PM airings were actually at 5 but the ads all still claimed it was 8. So it was on too early and we were basically annoyed and no Claudia and the good part of the plot was over anyway. >>Before I forget to mention it, I've also come to realize that my childhood >>lacked one of the quintessential Feg experiences: getting beaten up by jocks. Wow, that sucks for you! Oh, wait. Actually they didn't call us "fegs" at that point, but it was something similar. Truth be told I did take some licks at the grade school and junior high levels, but by high school I got on pretty well with quite a few of the football stars, most of whom were also fairly academically competitive. Also, band members, dorks though they are and derided by the general population, are sort of part of the team's support system, so that actually sort of worked for us, too. I got beat up by The Dirt instead. Skynyrds, you know. Jason T: >>I actually tried squid ink pasta for the first time a little over a week >>ago - delicious. Cool. Could you elaborate on the flavor? >>>The Greatest 500 Albums of All Time, according to the wanks at Rolling Stone: Man. Can't be bothered to wade past page one. I'm vaguely curious as to how this compares to the list they did when I first started paying attention to music, say 1987 or so... I seem to remember Sgt. Pepper's at number one, where it still is (and here I thought critical mass had shifted to the White Album) and Surrealistic Pillow at number two or three-- it's out of the Top 10 altogether now. I though VU & Nico used to be Top Ten as well. Pretty nice showing on this list for Forever Changes, which I thought was slipping from even critical consciousness for all kinds of reasons. I mean, it's ranked lower than a lot of inferior records, but I wouldn't have predicted a Top 50 showing. _________ Ross T: >>But, GU, wasn't "These Days" by Townes Van Zandt? Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe, actually. Oh wait, that's the last version Glen would refer to! - -Rex, so totally not getting into his car to go to Largo... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:54:17 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Which days, now? > >>>The Greatest 500 Albums of All Time, according to the wanks at >Rolling Stone: > >Man. Can't be bothered to wade past page one. I'm vaguely curious >as to how this compares to the list they did when I first started >paying attention to music, say 1987 or so... I remember the list you're talking about because I still *have* that issue. One of just two (?) issues of Rolling Stone that I ever bought. The other one was a "list" issue as well. Actually, that list was a little different -- it was records of the past *20 years*, which at that time meant albums between 1967 and 1987. And it was only 100 albums rather than 500. I could look up the entries on that list, if anyone's dying to see them. Somehow, I doubt they are. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Paging Gnatmaniax Minders at KPSU tonight! 8pm! Hope you get this in time, =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Paging Gnatmaniax On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, John Barrington Jones wrote: > Minders at KPSU tonight! 8pm! Non-Portlanders who are down with The Minders can catch the stream at http://www.kpsu.org/webcast.html =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:06:54 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: listmaniax Quoting Eb : > >The Greatest 500 Albums of All Time, according to the wanks at Rolling > Stone: > > > >http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2164 > King Crimson: In the Court of the Crimson King Nah...if Crimson should be on the list (they should) it should be for something from the '73-'74 band - _Red_, probably. ICCK, despite some fine moments, suffers from Moody Blues-itis, Pete Sinfield's generally awful lyrics, and Greg Lake. "I Talk to the Wind"? 'Fraid not...and "Moonchild" lasts, what, an hour? > If you eliminated the annoyingly redundant entries from the list > (compilations by Hank Williams, Simon & Garfunkel, the Byrds, Otis > Redding and others which are doubled by additional items which > overlap...Meet the Beatles, since With the Beatles is also > included...two Robert Johnson entries instead of one...etc.), you > could probably make room for the above 14 with no trouble at all. Does Rolling Stone really still think the best albums ever were primarily from the 1960s? The Clash is the most recent entry in the top 10...and it's 23 years old (man, that makes *me* feel old!). Exile is, what, '72? and Gaye is from 1970, right? Sorry, I don't buy it. Except for Blonde on Blonde, which for my money is about one-quarter filler, those are all indisputably great albums...but I can't say they're the ten best ever. But then, does anyone really expect _Rolling Stone_ to be on top of anything these days except their wheelchairs? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make :: lp: The Wrens _Secaucus_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:15:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: listmaniax > > King Crimson: In the Court of the Crimson King > >Nah...if Crimson should be on the list (they should) it should be >for something >from the '73-'74 band - _Red_, probably. Again...you have to remember the Rolling Stone factor. Red is a "cult favorite," Court of the Crimson King had a much wider reach. Personally, my favorite KC album is probably Starless & Bible Black, but I would never expect this to make a RS list. It's so tiresome when these lists come out, and all anyone does is re-gripe about Rolling Stone being too corporate and geriatric. Kibbutz the lists on their own terms. Of *course*, anyone with an indie-rock slant is going to have huge disagreements with the inclusions. So, disagree with the list from an adopted canonical, classic-rock perspective. Jeez. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:12:49 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: whilst in list mode ... the 100 songs of the 20th century Holy Modal Rounder, ex-Fug and Gary Lucas co-conspirator Peter Stampfel is producing a set of CDs of songs of the 20th century. Here's what he's got so far, with 'done' indicating already in the can: 1901/ I Love You Truly done 1902/ Under the Bamboo Tree done 1903/ Ida, Sweet as Apple Cider done 1904/ Toyland done 1905/ W histler and His Dog---------------------------------------------- 1906/You're a Grand Old Flag-------------------------------------------- 1907/ School Days done 1908/Take Me Out to the Ball Game done 1909/ Ace in the Hole done 1910/ Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life done 1911/ Put Your Arms Around Me, Honey done 1912/ Ragtime Cowboy Joe done 1913/ Row Row Row done 1914/ By the Beautiful Sea done 1915/ They Didn't Believe Me done 1916/ Poor Butterfly done 1917/ Look For the Silver Lining done 1918/ Till We Meet Again done 1919/ Stumbling done 1920/ Swinging Down the Lane done 1921/ Charleston done 1922/ I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles done 1923/ Let the Rest of the World Go By done 1924 somebody loves me done 1925/ I Never Knew done 1926/ Who done 1927/ Blue Skies done 1928/ my heart stood still done 1929/ wedding of the painted doll/----------------------------------------- I kiss yr hand, madame 1930/ My Ideal done 1931 / out of nowhere done 1932/ Home done 1933 lazybones done 1934/ Moonglow done 1935 East of the Sun done 1936/ The Way You Look Tonight done 1937/ Where or When done 1938 my reverie done 1939/ they say it's wonderful done 1940/ all the things you are---------------------------------------------------- 1941/ Oh! Look at me Now done 1942/ I remember you done 1943/ pistol packin momma done 1944/ long ago and far away / done, but might be changed 1945/ love on a greyhound bus / done 1946/ all through the day done------------------ 1947/ How Are Things in Glocca Mora done 1948 blue shadows on the trail done 1949/ Slippin around ???????----------------------------------------------------- 1950/ 3rd man theme done---------------- 1951/ jezebel done--------------- 1952/ Bermuda/shrimp boats/ grandma's lye soap (it's in the book/ ??----- 1953/ Tennessee wig walk done 1954/ He arts Made of Stone done 1955/ ling ting tong /done 1956/ I'm in love again done 1957 / chicken baby chicken done 1958/ Rave On done 1959/ the big hurt/ battle of new Orleans/ mr blue/ baby talk------------------ 1960/ running bear / done 1961/ moon river done 1962 I sold my heart to the junkman done, but might be changed 1963/ momma didn't lie/ in my room/ come & get these memories/ easier said than done/ south street/ tell him/ be true to yr school/ mecca/ little town flirt *****----------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------- 1964/ surfer bird/ fun fun fun/ California sun/ it hurts to be in love/ dang me/ what kind of fool do you think I am/ chug-a-lug/ four strong winds/ the ferris wheel *****---------------------------------------------------------------- 1965/concrete & clay *****----------------------------------done----------- 1966/ Along Comes Mary done 1967/ waterloo sunset--------------------------------------------------- 1968/ expecting to fly----------------------------------------------------- 1969/ log cabin in the sky done 1970/ let's work together done 1971/ rings/ chirpy chirpy cheep cheep done 1972/ Staring Blue Notions maybe 1973/ Goodbye Yellow Brick Road done 1974/ kung fu fighting/ would you lay with me in a field of stone/ Jolene 1975/ tangled up in blue 76/ I want to be yr boy friend done, but might be changed 77 78/ macho man/ pscho killer/ werewolves of London 79/ my sharona/ ymca/ hey hey my my 80/ girl's talk/ 81 82 83/ / swinging ***** done 84/ girls just wanna have fun/ break my stride 85/ 86/ the walk of life 87/ 88/ 89/ Veronica 90/ 91/ 92/ 93/ 500 miles 94/ 95/ 96/ 97/ 98/ 99/ 00/ I dunno if he's taking suggestions for the empty years ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:47:32 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: listmaniax Quoting Eb : > It's so tiresome when these lists come out, and all anyone does is > re-gripe about Rolling Stone being too corporate and geriatric. > Kibbutz the lists on their own terms. Of *course*, anyone with an > indie-rock slant is going to have huge disagreements with the > inclusions. So, disagree with the list from an adopted canonical, > classic-rock perspective. Jeez. Since most people here are going to come from other than a classic-rock perspective, griping with the list is completely the expected reaction, isn't it? So I'm not sure why you post the lists, if the reaction is so tiresome to you. Anyway: the "canonical, classic-rock perspective" would be, exactly, that of _Rolling Stone_. Who else would it be? I mean, basically, we're just arguing about which Beatles album, which Stones album, which Dylan album, should be placed highest, with a minoritarian view angling for the inclusion of the Kinks, Love, etc. I kinda thought the point of a list called "The Greatest 500 Albums of All Time" would be to list the greatest 500 albums of all time - not the greatest 500 classic-rock albums of all time - and so arguing that their perspective is limited is, as I said, the perfectly expected, natural reaction. Otherwise, I suppose, we can nod our heads, grin our enormous David Fricke-teethed grins, flap our "good enough for the high school class of 1977" hairstyles, and reshuffle what's already there. ..Jeff, class of '80 J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:14:21 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: listmaniax >Since most people here are going to come from other than a classic-rock >perspective, griping with the list is completely the expected reaction, isn't >it? So I'm not sure why you post the lists, if the reaction is so tiresome to >you. Um, I wasn't the one who posted the list, dummy. >I kinda thought the point of a list called "The Greatest 500 Albums of All >Time" >would be to list the greatest 500 albums of all time - not the greatest 500 >classic-rock albums of all time - and so arguing that their perspective is >limited is, as I said, the perfectly expected, natural reaction. Otherwise, I >suppose, we can nod our heads, grin our enormous David Fricke-teethed grins, >flap our "good enough for the high school class of 1977" hairstyles, and >reshuffle what's already there. Tiiiiiiiiresome. Loudfans, I tell ya. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:33:48 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: The season to give thanks (not in the UK). Thanks for the seasonal greetings, Ross, but we don't have anything in late Nov... the pagan thing you refer to is perhaps Samhain (pron. Sowen), which is early Nov, Christianised as All Saints and All Souls day (my b'day, as it goes).Next pagan festival, AFAIK, is the Winter Solstice, followed by Yule... Cheers Matt >From: "ross taylor" >Reply-To: "ross taylor" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Hamlet/Survivor/Voyager Smackdown (not really) etc. >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:11:14 -0500 > > >Wishing Americans a happy THanksgiving & Britons some pagan corn-god thing & wondering if >New Zealand celebrates its settlement in any way. > >Ross Taylor > > > > > >Need a new email address that people can remember >Check out the new EudoraMail at >http://www.eudoramail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:00:46 -0500 From: "marc.h@earthlink.net" Subject: Hitchcock, Largo 11/25 Hey there-- Another quick post before I get some sleep. First thing is that it turns out Robyn played at the Largo last night after their scheduled entertainment (comedian Paul F. Tompkins). I don't have any information about the show except that it sounded like he only played a short set, and had microphone problems. Fortunately, there weren't any major technical problems during tonight's show. Robyn came out solo, in his black & white polka dot shirt and his favorite acoustic guitar, to start the show. Raymond Chandler Evening Madonna of the Wasps Devil's Coachman Wax Doll Veins of the Queen One Long Pair of Eyes (5 songs in a row from Queen Elvis) Solpadeine Lysander (enter Jon Brion on keyboards) Sound of Sound You Remind Me of You Viva Sea-Tac Belinda Carlisle (improv? or new?) Idonia I Feel Beatiful (end of the "formal show") the covers set included Jon throughout Candy Says--the Velvet Underground (great) Staying Alive--Bee Gees (very great) Gigolo Aunt--Syd Barrett (Jon on drums, Robyn switched to an electric guitar towards the end of the song, and finished by saying "Careful with that ax, Eugene.") (one of the standouts of the evening) More Than This--Roxy Music (Jon played percussion and keyboards at the same time) Avalon--Roxy Music (aborted after one verse when Robyn and Jon decided that they were having trouble with the chord changes) (back to acoustic guitar) Trying to Get to Heaven (Before They Close the Door)--Bob Dylan (great) Goldfinger theme--(with improvized lyrics) (hilarious) Everybody Knows W Sucks... Are You Experienced?--Jimi Hendrix (Jon on percussion, keyboards, and piano strings; Robyn switched to his electric mid-way through the song) (uber trippy, what a way to finish the night, just amazing) That covers all the major stuff that I can think of this moment. Robyn's still on his "guitar tuning is very stimmulating to rodents" bent, and he had quite a bit to say on the subject tonight. Louden Wainwright III was in the audience, but never went up on stage. Time for sleep. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Hitchcock, Largo 11/25 On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, marc.h@earthlink.net wrote: > Another quick post before I get some sleep. First thing is that it > turns out Robyn played at the Largo last night after their scheduled > entertainment (comedian Paul F. Tompkins). Oh, shit! Did you get to see Paul F. Tompkins? He's one of the funniest men alive! Golly, I love his stuff. OK, I should put aside the Tewsian hyperbole and just say that I think he's really hilarious, but not as much in a "comedy God" kind of way like one might think of an early Richard Pryor or something... No, Paul's more like that friend of yours that's just really funny and weird and a bit bitter and also, somehow, very sweet. You want him to come to your party, not entertain. But I'm sure his "stand-up" or whatever it's like in person is as funny as anything else out there. Here's a recent Paul F. Tompkins article that amused me greatly (warning L.A. content): And if you haven't seen the Lie Detector sketch on TV's Mr. Show, you haven't seen Paul F. Tompkins. Damn. Ooh... and during one of the taped segments of the Hurray For America! 2000 tour, Paul F. Tompkins played the CEO of GloboChem and described the process by which dirt and stone from the planet Earth was being used to create a second planet full of luxury estates for the ultra-wealthy in a process they call "undermining". Brilliant stuff. > Madonna of the Wasps > Devil's Coachman > Wax Doll > Veins of the Queen > One Long Pair of Eyes (5 songs in a row from Queen Elvis) Perhaps Robyn's realizing what a goddamn brilliant record this is! This alone makes me really want a copy of this show. Who recorded? > Belinda Carlisle (improv? or new?) OK, now I NEED a copy of the show. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:50:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The season to give thanks (not in the UK). On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Thanks for the seasonal greetings, Ross, but we don't have anything in > late Nov... We can however dig out a copy of "Late November" by Pavlov's Dog and give it a spin... > the pagan thing you refer to is perhaps Samhain (pron. Sowen), which is > early Nov, Christianised as All Saints and All Souls day (my b'day, as > it goes).Next pagan festival, AFAIK, is the Winter Solstice, followed by > Yule... There was I going to celebrate them on the same day - and Saturnalia too. Mind you, I'm a bit worried about having to go round catering to the servants all day... - - Mike Godwin n.p. a fab Gene Clark song about Spanish guitars which Sharleen Spiteri just chose on Radio 2 (whoops!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:07:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: whilst in list mode ... the 100 songs of the 20th century Mmm, 'Doin' the Tennessee Wig Walk', I can relate to that! Is 'Lazybones' the only Hoagy tune in there (I'm too busy to look in detail)? What happened to 'Georgia on my mind', the greatest song of the 20th C (specially that finger-tangling middle 8)? I'm obviously going to have to buy this. I wonder what his criteria are? Sheet music sales? Best songwriters? Personal taste??? - - MRG PS I've spent the last few months learning "Hong Kong Blues", and I was surprised to find that Harrison had recorded it. Is his version any good? n.p. John Fahey "Bicycle made for two" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:23:53 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Which days, now, Senor Squid? At 05:18 PM 11/25/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Jason T: > >>I actually tried squid ink pasta for the first time a little over a week > >>ago - delicious. > >Cool. Could you elaborate on the flavor? The squid ink is added to the noodle itself, not to the pasta sauce if that's what anyone was thinking, making for a rich, dark (almost purplish black) pasta with a slightly fishy aftertaste - sort of like a Thai dish with just a touch of fish sauce... only more Italian. If you're making your own noodles, which I sometimes do, my chef buddy told me cuttlefish ink is a less expensive alternative to squid ink. Watched Disc 1 of the extended version of "The Two Towers" last night. Unlike with the "Fellowship of the Ring," where I thought the inclusion of bonus material vastly improved the film (which I hated in the theatres), the extra stuff in "The Two Towers" doesn't really add much to the movie. It's interesting, though, and doesn't distract at all. I'd rather have it there than not, but so far it's about the same movie, only longer. - --Jason "I posted that list because I'm a wanna-E-B" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:45:21 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Which days, now, Senor Squid? - -----Original Message----- From: "Jason R. Thornton" The squid ink is added to the noodle itself, not to the pasta sauce if that's what anyone was thinking, making for a rich, dark (almost purplish black) pasta with a slightly fishy aftertaste - sort of like a Thai dish with just a touch of fish sauce... only more Italian. If you're making your own noodles, which I sometimes do, my chef buddy told me cuttlefish ink is a less expensive alternative to squid ink. This dish, "sepie nere" I believe it's called, is a Venetian specialty and quite popular here. I have always heard that it is prodominantly cuttlefish that is used but the Venetians are also crazy about their squid. And it is most definitely a full plate of rich black pasta here. Ah, I tried it, once. Not my cup of tea, so to speak. - - c tentacle noodles - sounds like an RH song! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #437 ********************************