From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #433 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, November 22 2003 Volume 12 : Number 433 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: hall of lame etc. ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Miyazaki's speakers ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Naked....George Harrison ["Brian" ] RE: hall of lame etc. ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Chemical Rex ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Minidisc question ["Brian" ] Re: Minidisc question [FSThomas ] Re: Minidisc question [John Barrington Jones ] Re: MJ/Survivor/recent reaps [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Miyazaki's speakers ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: hall of lame etc. [Eb ] gnatmaniax and other stuff ["Natalie Jacobs" ] the other kind of SF show + Wilco winos [Miles Goosens ] Re: Survivor stuff ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Survivor stuff [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] the rugby [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Survivor stuff ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Miyazaki Designs Artificial Island Off Kyushu (No RH) [Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: hall of lame etc. This one time at band camp, ross taylor wrote: >Jackson Browne-- > >I always liked "Redneck Friend." Real talent, but put to an evil >purpose, i.e. helping create the >singer-songwriter market. Goddamn, I hate this man. Hate him, hate his droney voice, hate his pretentious little smirk, hate that fucking C-Csus progression in all of his songs, hate his holier-than-thou lyrics. I wish he would just go away. > >The Dells-- > >Did "The Tighten Up" right? I liked Todd Rundgren's "The Loosen Up" Heh. My sarcasm meter pegged slightly when I read this. "The Tighten Up" was Archie Bell & The Drells. But you knew that, right? >George-- > >Yeah, I like his 1st 3 solo albums, & he was my favorite Beatle (when we >had to have a favorite >Beatle), but probably other people deserve the added attention more (see >my intro comment). I agree with nearly everything you said. He's already in as a Beatle. I don't think his solo work was *that* great, ATMP aside. > >Prince-- > >This seems almost timely, isn't he at the point of fading from view, or >is that me? (Well, I was >never in view really...) Probably the most deserving of all the inductees. He had a long run, and had mainstream and crossover appeal. His music is innovative, substantive and important. Great choice! >Bob Seger-- > >Sounds like a nod to the industry to me. Or maybe I'm thinking of the >amazed Industry Exec >listening to "Night Moves" in American Pop. Actually some interesting >use of Seger in Body >Heat. He is what he is and he's good at it. Not HoF material, though. >Traffic-- > >My vote of agreement. Wonder which version will show up. Something tells me Jim Gordon won't be there. Hey! 2 Jim Gordon references in one week! > >ZZ Top-- > >Yeah, I remember them from before the videos, sort of electrified John >Lee Hooker. "How-how- >how-how." Like em better than Seger. I like 'em. Have owned several of their albums. Wouldn't see them in concert, but I wouldn't turn off the radio if any one of their songs came on. Like Seger, not HoF worthy. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:04:45 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Miyazaki's speakers > From: Steve Talkowski > > p.s. Check out those funky speakers Miyazaki is so proud of. OK, I'm probably the only person on this list who is fascinated by Japanese audio designers (Junji Kimura of 47 Labs, Yoshiaki Sugano, who makes the Koetsu cartridge, etc.), but I'd love to hear more about Miyazaki's speakers, and especially the rest of the system. Granted, I could never afford a $7500 Koetsu cartridge or the $25,000 PiTracer CD player from 47 Labs, but hey, it's fun to imagine I could. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:09:14 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Naked....George Harrison Got "Let It Be...Naked." My favorite track is For You Blue. Just sounds better. I think John's guitar is mixed too low on the 1st 2 tracks, especially on Get Back. And they should've called it Get Back, not Naked. Oh well. For the bonus disc, why couldn't they have given us the full 7 minute version of Dig It? I also got the DVD Concert for George. I haven't watched the whole 4 hours or so, but this seems like it's gonna be great. George's son looks exactly like him. When was the last time Ringo and Paul played live together? It's odd that Dylan wasn't at this show. Anyone know why? - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:27:11 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: hall of lame etc. >>SRC (Detroit's version of Quicksilver Messenger Service) Ross wrote: >Uh-oh, sounds like another archival discovery -- but folks at Amazon say the singer had a >really bad voice. And what is the QM sound anyway? Very tremoloed guitar? Lots of Bo Diddley?> Interesting note about the singer for SRC, Scott Richards. After the band broke up, he moved to California and married Robert Mitchum's daughter. I met Gary Quackenbush, the lead guitar player, in the mid 80's when he was a salesman for an electronics supply company and he mentioned that. Scott's voice was limited, but on some songs he was okay. They were always a guitar based band to me. They even did a version of Beck's Bolero. Very tremoloed guitar is how I would describe the QM sound. SRC certainly had that sound. Jorma Koukonen, when he was with the Jefferson Airplane had that style as well I would say. Michael B. NP The Pernice Brothers Yours, Mine & Ours ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:31:07 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Miyazaki's speakers On Nov 21, 2003, at 4:04 PM, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >> From: Steve Talkowski >> >> p.s. Check out those funky speakers Miyazaki is so proud of. > > OK, I'm probably the only person on this list who is fascinated by > Japanese > audio designers (Junji Kimura of 47 Labs, Yoshiaki Sugano, who makes > the > Koetsu cartridge, etc.), but I'd love to hear more about Miyazaki's > speakers, and especially the rest of the system. Unfortunately, I can't remember any more details from four years ago. Perhaps someone might recognize the model from the pictures and fill in the details? > Granted, I could never afford a $7500 Koetsu cartridge or the $25,000 > PiTracer CD player from 47 Labs, but hey, it's fun to imagine I could. Just saw this in the "Fantasy Gifts" section of PC Magazines "Gadget and Gear" special: Pioneer PDSP-1 Digital Sound Projector - a mere $40,000 list. "It uses a single-source speaker panel with 254 tiny, amplified speakers to deliver 5.1-channel surround sound, with more than 500 watts of power." http://tinyurl.com/w1dr http://tinyurl.com/w1dm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:39:07 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Chemical Rex At 06:15 PM 11/20/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Jason T: > >>Bubbles is my favorite Power Puff Girl, if anyone cares. > >Wow, my daughter's, too. Shoulda seen her Halloween costume. She hasn't >let us take the pigtails out since she saw herself *as* Bubbles. > >Oh, wait, you were probably joking. No, no, no. That's no joke. That statement was 100% true. Whatever the antithesis of an ASCII smiley face is, please place it here. Star Trek I could give a tribble's fuzzy ass about, but the Power Puff Girls, them I like. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:03 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Minidisc question Can anyone recommend a minidisc recorder? I'm looking for one with these features: 1. Separate line and headphones outs. 2. Manual recording level. Bonus to be able to change levels while recording without have to stop 1st. 3. Time date stamp. 4. Separate Mic and Line inputs. Can anyone help? Thanks! - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:40 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Minidisc question Try http://www.minidisco.com, maybe. For the options: > 1. Separate line and headphones outs. > 3. Time date stamp. > 4. Separate Mic and Line inputs. My old sony MZR-30, while big and bulky, has all of the above. > 2. Manual recording level...w/out stopping Don't know if you'll ever find this one. Maybe one of the newer models. From what I've been reading of the newer models coming out, I can't recall any single one that did everything I would want. Long battery life, line & mic in, fiber optic/digital out, manual record levels, etc. I don't care for the newer massive compression they're offering, but it might be handy. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Minidisc question On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, FSThomas wrote: My little sharp recorder does levels on the fly --- and has separate mic and line inputs - not line out, though. =jbj= > Try http://www.minidisco.com, maybe. > > For the options: > > > 1. Separate line and headphones outs. > > 3. Time date stamp. > > 4. Separate Mic and Line inputs. > > My old sony MZR-30, while big and bulky, has all of the above. > > > 2. Manual recording level...w/out stopping > > Don't know if you'll ever find this one. Maybe one of the newer models. > > From what I've been reading of the newer models coming out, I can't recall > any single one that did everything I would want. Long battery life, line & > mic in, fiber optic/digital out, manual record levels, etc. > > I don't care for the newer massive compression they're offering, but it > might be handy. > > -ferris. > =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:36:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: MJ/Survivor/recent reaps >>5'11" and 120 lbs! > >That *is* surprising (and scary). I guess his elaborate, layered >costumes cover it well. > >Even (female) runway models aren't that thin, are they? Ouch. > >Wow. I'm almost 50% heavier than that freak. (OK, so I'm a few inches >taller, but....) I'm not pretty light, and I'm still 40% heavier than MJ (5'11", 11st 13...erm 167lb). Even at my "hunting weight" (as an ex-Feg describes it) I was still a good 25lb heavier than him. even after looking at the websites that have been pointed to, I've still no idea who this Brandis guy was*. >Any Survivor fans? Never keen on them. "Eye of the tiger" was crap. James *the Bob Grant guy I mentioned, BTW, was in "On the Buses", which should ring bells (no pun intended) with older UK fegs. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:38:40 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Miyazaki's speakers On 11/21/03 3:31 PM, "Steve Talkowski" wrote: > Unfortunately, I can't remember any more details from four years ago. > Perhaps someone might recognize the model from the pictures and fill in > the details? Well, I'd post your slideshow to the audiophile geek sites I hang out at, but I didn't think you'd want your bandwidth to fly through the roof. But what the heck, I'll do a little sniffing around myself. Nothing I love more than a good hi-fi hunt. > Pioneer PDSP-1 Digital Sound Projector - a mere $40,000 list. Ah, The Dream of Never Having To Go To The Theater To Watch Films Again. I have that dream, too. Maybe, in five years 60-inch plasma screens and 5.1 systems will be affordable. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:58:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: hall of lame etc. >Jackson Browne-- > >I always liked "Redneck Friend." Real talent, but put to an evil >purpose, i.e. helping create the >singer-songwriter market. JB always has been too smooth and bland for me, but I once landed a secondhand copy of "Late for the Sky" when I bought a big box of records unseen, and there was one track which surprised me. I really liked it, both musically and lyrically. I don't remember the title, but I just glanced at a lyrics page on the Web and it's apparently called "Fountain of Sorrow." So, there you go. Check out that one. Further note: The first Amazon customer review listed for the album says "Fountain of Sorrow" is "the most beautiful and haunting song I have ever heard." Huh. I messed up my VCR-taping last night, and didn't tape the second half of what appears to have been the most "important" episode of this Survivor series. Phooey. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:06:07 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: gnatmaniax and other stuff >He must officially be The Cute One in Wilco, right? Because, to judge >from IATTBYH, everyone else looks like a wino rolled out of an alley >dumpster. No, I think the Cute One is the drummer - he's the guy who looks like he had his hair cut in a salon and is invariably clean-shaven. >I thought it was intensely amusing to see the signing of the Nonesuch >contract: I'm sure those folks are used to having their talent show up >looking indistinguishable from the guy who offered to squeegee their car >on the way to work, but it was still pretty damned funny. On a similar note, someone compared Jeff Tweedy's "look" to that of a South Carolina gas station attendant. >DS9: still my favorite cast, and it took a few smart cues from BABYLON 5... I've heard some rumors that DS9 was actually a direct rip-off of Babylon 5... that when B5's creator was shopping the project around to different studios, he was told by Paramount, "We're not interested in doing a show set on a space station"; he foolishly left a summary or precis of the show with the studio execs, and lo and behold, a year or so later, Paramount is doing a show set on a space station. Dunno if this is true or not (or coincidence). At any rate, I lost interest in the whole Star Trek francise when I started watching Babylon 5. By far the most intelligent and involving science fiction show on TV, even if the acting was rather wooden sometimes. (The guys who played the aliens were terrific, though.) >VOYAGER: Gave up on it about the same time as Jeff, though I might have >stuck with it if I'd had a group to MST3K it with. I stopped watching this after the early episode where Janeway and Paris were transformed into giant salamanders. > Spending most of my teenage years up in the Detroit 'burbs in the late >60's early 70's, Bob Seger (from Ann Arbor) was always considered >a secondary rock act compared to the the other locals like the MC5, The >Stooges, The Frost(Dick Wagner's band, he later played with Lou Reed and >Alice Cooper), SRC (Detroit's version of Quicksilver Messenger Service) >and even Grand Funk. I grew up in Ann Arbor in the 70's and 80's, and the Stooges and the MC5 were never mentioned as local rock royalty. It was mainly Bob Seger and Mitch Ryder. Thanks for mentioning that Bob Seger is from Ann Arbor, not Detroit. My puny hometown tends to get subsumed into the larger nearby city - - especially now that Detroit has a veneer of "cool" because of the White Stripes, etc. Though even pre-White Stripes, Iggy Pop was claiming he was from Detroit, and of course the MC5 (also from Ann Arbor) identified themselves with Detroit also. Phooey on Detroit. It's a dump. Not that Ann Arbor is much better... Eddie: >well, what i meant by that was that she should say something other than >"hi" for me. like, "eddie confirmed my suspicions that you're a demented >prevert," or, "eddie says for you to get fucked," or, "eddie wanted to >remind you that snoop dogg has been cast as 'huggy bear' in the Starsky And >Hutch movie." sorry for the confusion. Ah, I understand. She did tell me you thought I was a jerk. So a brief gnatmaniax - I went to see Death Can for Cutie last night, and enjoyed myself somewhat - they played most of my favorite songs from their new album, and plenty of older stuff I didn't know but liked anyway. But it's really hard to have fun at a show when you're fairly far away from the stage, you're 5'2", and you're constantly jockeying for a decent view of the funny little dance that Ben Gibbard always does (sway from side to side while singing, sway away from the mike and turn around and rock out when not singing). Also, I've complained about rude audiences before, but what do you do when your friends are the ones being obnoxious? They started taking flash photos of each other during the show - I wanted to kill them. Fortunately they stopped after a few minutes. After the show I talked to our very own Colin Meloy of the Decemberists for a little bit - he regretted not going to see Robyn, having opted to see the Rapture instead, and agreed with me that JfS and Luxor were not among Robyn's best efforts. I got a little carried away gushing about how much I love the Decemberists, but he seemed to appreciate it. He fetched over Ben Gibbard at my and my friends' request, who received the tinfoil bird I had originally made for Robyn and greetings from our absent British friend Mike. He (Ben) was nice, of course. Finally, an odd busted 40 - I went to a "meet and greet" for prospective new students at my school this morning, and sat next to a girl who looked a lot like Carole. I mentioned this to her, and also mentioned that she looked familiar. She said she had just moved to Portland from Olympia, and that she had moved to Olympia from Arkansas. "That's funny," I said, "there's a band called the Gossip that moved to Olypmia from Arkansas." (They're a sort of Riot Grrrl-ish band on Kill Rock Stars, for those who don't know.) She said, "I'm in the Gossip." She's their drummer. I was extremely surprised. No wonder she looked familiar... She confirmed that audiences in Olympia really do stand there with their arms folded during shows, and that all the cool bands have moved away from Olympia, probably for that reason. anyway, n. _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:38:43 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: the other kind of SF show + Wilco winos At 03:06 PM 11/21/2003 -0800, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >>He must officially be The Cute One in Wilco, right? Because, to judge >>from IATTBYH, everyone else looks like a wino rolled out of an alley >>dumpster. > >No, I think the Cute One is the drummer - he's the guy who looks like he had >his hair cut in a salon and is invariably clean-shaven. > >>I thought it was intensely amusing to see the signing of the Nonesuch >>contract: I'm sure those folks are used to having their talent show up >>looking indistinguishable from the guy who offered to squeegee their car >>on the way to work, but it was still pretty damned funny. > >On a similar note, someone compared Jeff Tweedy's "look" to that of a South >Carolina gas station attendant. Melissa offers that she thinks all of the current Wilco members are cute in various ways, and that she'd never describe their appearance with the word "wino," either as adjective or noun. >Dunno if this is true or not (or coincidence). At any rate, I lost interest >in the whole Star Trek francise when I started watching Babylon 5. By far >the most intelligent and involving science fiction show on TV, Oh, I totally agree about B5 being the best, da bomb, the shit. >even if the >acting was rather wooden sometimes. Well, both of the ship's captains (as I know I've said on Loud-Fans) could be out-acted by a stump, plus JMS was far more gifted at plot/action dialogue than at interpersonal, character-development dialogue, so any "personal" scene was already fighting overwhelming odds even when the words were put in the mouths of the show's best actors. JMS is a guy who really, really should have swallowed his pride and gotten himself a script doctor who could have shored up that part of the show (for instance, John Sayles has done this sort of work on many TV shows and movies over the years). I thought the rest of the cast, human or "alien," were usually very good at what they did, but maybe that's just my Claudia Christian crush talking. The fact that I would offer the complaints above and *still* praise B5 to the skies ought to tell you just how good the show was. Seasons 1-3 are on DVD now, with Season 4 (of 5) soon to follow, so it's a good time to get into the show if you didn't watch it before. Be warned, Season One *is* a little slow, but it is necessary viewing to follow the rest of the series, and trust us, all those plots start paying off like nobody's business in the next three seasons. Incidentally, Amazon keeps telling me that I'd like Stargate SG-1 or whatever it's called (presumably they're telling me this because of my interest in B5), but aside from the original Jaye Davidson as Egyptian God in Space movie, which I thought got off to a promising start but fizzled out quickly, I know nothing about this TV series. OK, I know it was on the Sci-Fi channel and it starred McGyver, but I really don't know much beyond that. Anyone got any thoughts on it? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:56:36 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Survivor stuff on 11/21/03 2:58 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > > I messed up my VCR-taping last night, and didn't tape the second half > of what appears to have been the most "important" episode of this > Survivor series. Phooey. Just the fact that they voted off Rupert, clearly one of the most interesting personalities the show's ever seen. Unfortunately he was totally blindsided by those two douchebags Jon and Burton. I guess it was a given that he was too powerful to go all the way. I just wish he would've lasted a little longer, or at least been able to go down with a fight. Hey, it's no Joe Millionaire. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:07:37 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Survivor stuff >From: Tom Clark >Subject: Survivor stuff >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:56:36 -0800 >on 11/21/03 2:58 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > > I messed up my VCR-taping last night, and didn't tape the second half > > of what appears to have been the most "important" episode of this > > Survivor series. Phooey. >Just the fact that they voted off Rupert, clearly one of the most >interesting personalities the show's ever seen. Unfortunately he was >totally blindsided by those two douchebags Jon and Burton. Hence my bitching about the castoffs coming back, it was Burton who was the lead in his downfall. I think that Jon is the only living thing I have really ever truly wanted to hurt. Have no fear I hear Rupert is going to be on the next season. >I guess it was a >given that he was too powerful to go all the way. I just wish he would've >lasted a little longer, or at least been able to go down with a fight. Reading www.televisionwithoutpity.com I was shocked by all the negative reaction he receives in the Survivor forum. >Hey, it's no Joe Millionaire. Thank god it isn't, this season of Millionaire has really tried my patients...Kat is pretty hot though. Max _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:14:52 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Survivor stuff Quoting Maximilian Lang : > >From: Tom Clark > >Subject: Survivor stuff > >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:56:36 -0800 > > >on 11/21/03 2:58 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: Blah-fucking-blah. At last, we've found something more irrelevant and boring than tech talk or baseball! Jeezus...prefab "reality" shows? I get discussion about that among the office-worker drones I run into - could there be anything more inane to talk about here, too? I'll start itemizing my snot if this keeps up. ..Jeff, in an "elitist" sulk J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:09:42 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: the rugby to quote the late, great, Warren Zevon: "And Johnny is my main man, he's the keeper of the keys He'll put your mind at ease, he's guaranteed to please Back by popular demand Look around, my little friend, jubilation in the land Freddie get ready - rock steady When Johnny strikes up the band" well done England. See you in the final in '07? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:21:14 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Survivor stuff Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I'll start itemizing my snot if this keeps up. Yeah! snotmaniax, here we come. I wonder what the major classifications would be? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:36:47 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Miyazaki Designs Artificial Island Off Kyushu (No RH) Steve Schiavo, pack yer bags! ;) http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=94685 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #433 ********************************