From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #427 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 19 2003 Volume 12 : Number 427 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I love wine ["Grunty" ] Re: I love wine ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: I love wine [Ken Weingold ] are we still in tux? [Jim Davies ] short and sweet [Jim Davies ] Re: short and sweet [Eb ] in drag or naked, after some wine [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: short and sweet [Capuchin ] Re: short and sweet [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: in drag or naked, after some wine ["Grunty" ] fruit of the vine [Jill Brand ] Re: I love wine ["Brian" ] stay for the Reaps [Eb ] reap#2 (boo hoo hoo?) [Eb ] Re: short and sweet [Tom Clark ] Re: short and sweet ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: I love wine [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: I love wine ["Grunty" ] RE: tux and wine ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: I love wine ["Grunty" ] review of Robyn in SF 11/17/03 ["Michael T. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat] Re: fruit of the vine [Eric Loehr ] Klum on Coney (No RH) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: fruit of the vine [Aaron Mandel ] Re: are we still in tux? ["Matt Sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:51:25 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: I love wine Melatonin? as in the stuff you can buy in the vitamin section at the drugstore? i take this for sleeping disorders, one a night, i think it's 3 mg, hate to be ignorant but what do you mean when you say it's hormonal? Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > > Have you tried Valerian or Melatonin? I found Valerian to be hit or > > miss, > > but Melatonin will just knock you on your ass - with no hangover. > > Agreed! but becareful. Use it in small amounts as it is hormonal. > -- > Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:09:48 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: I love wine > From: Eb > > First tuxedos, now wine. Next week we'll discuss our stock portfolios, favorite haunts in the Hamptons, and our most embarrassing Paris Hilton anecdotes. > Gosh, aren't we *swank* this week? But of course. Wow, the wine thread really opened the sluices at both ends, didn't it? > PS I've probably drank about a dozen glasses of wine in my life. I'm sure I had a dozen glasses last week. Tonight's a beer tasting at my local pizzeria -- three hours of endless stouts and porters, paired with tasty fresh pizza. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:14:43 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: I love wine On Tue, Nov 18, 2003, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Tonight's a beer tasting at my local pizzeria -- three hours of endless > stouts and porters, paired with tasty fresh pizza. The beers there are fantastic. The pizza I cannot agree about. ;-) - -Ken, tanked last night on only two pints of Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:19:23 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: are we still in tux? Matt and I live in Oxford. During term time, there are DJs to be seen all around. The tux kind, of course. There are also the other kind, too. But I'm too busy, or too old, to go to clubs any more. Uh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:26:44 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: short and sweet I am always amazed at how little Americans drink. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:45:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: short and sweet >I am always amazed at how little Americans drink. You say that like it's a bad thing. I am always amazed at people who can't "cut loose" and have fun without a drink or two. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:51:10 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: in drag or naked, after some wine Wine - don't like red (never acquired the taste), like whites far more. A good Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc (Cloudy Bay is pretty close to heaven, but costs). Glenmark do a wonderful Riesling. And most Hawke's Bay Gewurtztraminer's are good. The world's southernmost commercial vineyards are about 120 miles from here, BTW. - --- >>Possible side thread related to another recent feg-question: who's dressed >>in drag more often than in a tux? (My answer to the latter question was >>"twice", so not me this time.) > >In drag during final rehearsals and performance for a pantomime (I was the >panto dame - meant to look like a combination of a gypsy woman and a Jewish >grandmother. I ended up looking like a cross between Little Steven van >Zandt and Klinger from MASH). So that's probably five or six times. oh, and I forgot to say - photo available on request! :) - --- >But what the hell... who's been naked in public most recently? Can anyone >beat Halloween 2003? That'd be me. not since the famed nude surf-jumpers society of the early 1990s, I think. Walk out into the sea and jump just as the wave breaks around you. Feels great in the crinklies. (no photos available, even on request) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:19 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: short and sweet On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Jim Davies wrote: > I am always amazed at how little Americans drink. I, as most of y'all probably know, have never had even a sip of the alchoholic stuff and I can't say I really think much about it. I mean, I can appreciate the subtleties and distinctions of variety both in process and flavor of spirits, wines, and beer, but it's just one more pursuit that I can sort of understand, but in which I feel no compulsion to participate. Living in Portland, you can't help but know a whole lot about beer. And I was instrumental in some home distillery (for solvent purposes, of course) a couple of weeks ago. It's all very fascinating and interesting, but I'm not about to pour that stuff down my throat. Nobody has ever described intoxication in a manner that made it sound like anything other than the worst thing imaginable. "a buzzing in your head" "a mild fog that prevents you from thinking about some things" "totally losing control of yourself" Ack. No, thanks. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:14:49 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: short and sweet On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Capuchin wrote: > I, as most of y'all probably know, have never had even a sip of the > alchoholic stuff and I can't say I really think much about it. I've had one sip, exactly - when I was nine and my jackass father thought it'd be funny to give me beer and tell me it was apple juice. Which probably explains why I never had that second sip. (Well, that and the multiple alcoholics in my family didn't make it look like a very appealing idea.) It's never been an issue in my life at all until we moved to San Luis Obispo, where there's an older-people wine-based social scene and a younger-people beer-based one. Really not much of a niche here for a middle-aged nondrinker. I don't mind if people drink around me, but when that's basically all they do the potential conversation topics dry up pretty fast. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:37:21 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: in drag or naked, after some wine request.............lol any men who have pictures of themselves in drag can send their pictures to me. : ) (only if they want to of course) Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > >In drag during final rehearsals and performance for a pantomime (I was the > >panto dame - meant to look like a combination of a gypsy woman and a Jewish > >grandmother. I ended up looking like a cross between Little Steven van > >Zandt and Klinger from MASH). So that's probably five or six times. > > oh, and I forgot to say - photo available on request! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:41:44 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: short and sweet i live in a college town, i am amazed at much the students drink. i haven't had a drink for a while, i'm really not supposed to with the medication i'm on. i miss it sometimes, but not the hangovers. Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > I am always amazed at how little Americans drink. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: fruit of the vine Eb wrote: PS I've probably drank about a dozen glasses of wine in my life. Well, I've probably drunk that whole dozen tonight. Very stressful day trying to deal with the high school choir conductor (a total diva - too many days at the tanning salon) and the chairpeople of the Northeastern District Honors Choir (I pity all who have children who can sing well). We're not the problem - it's the diva who is making enemies. Anyway, after getting a half a scone for lunch at 4:30, I decided that food was a waste but that a Sardinian white wine (really?) was going to have to suffice. Shit, I'm married to a German; how could I not be a wine devotee? Different topic (I'm still spelling OK, but the screen is fuzzy): did anyone at the Boston show (well, the only people I know who were there were David Greenberger, Harold, and Eric) get totally annoyed/upset by the person who yelled out to Robyn, "Stop talking!!!"? RH coolly replied, "That's why I'm here" (or "That's why they are paying me"). I mean, uh, that's like what he does, que no? I could understand if someone yelled to Don Henley, "Stop singing!!!" but that's a whole different matter. OK, back to the wine. Ken, I'm a big fat red fan myself. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:34:29 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: I love wine On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:51:25 -0500, "Grunty" said: > Melatonin? as in the stuff you can buy in the vitamin section at the > drugstore? > i take this for sleeping disorders, one a night, i think it's 3 mg, hate > to > be ignorant but what do you mean when you say it's hormonal? Melatonin is a hormone in your body. The melatonin bought in stores is a synthetic hormone, but can work wonders in the correct dose. - -Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:39:52 -0800 From: Eb Subject: stay for the Reaps By Sue Zeidler LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Oscar-nominated composer, conductor and arranger Michael Kamen, one of Hollywood's most sought-after musicians, died at age 55 on Tuesday after suffering from multiple sclerosis for several years, members of his family said. Kamen died in a hospital in London, where he had lived with his wife and two daughters, his brother Leonard said during a telephone interview from New York. Doctors were unable to resuscitate Kamen following a "cardiac event," he said. The native New Yorker and Juilliard School of Music Graduate was one of Hollywood's most successful composers who worked on music for the "Lethal Weapon" series and scored "Die Hard" among many other films. He was first diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1996, but did not go public about the disease until late September. Multiple sclerosis is an inflammatory disease of the central nervous system that causes various disabilities. Kamen grew up in Queens, the son of liberal activists. In the late 1960s, he helped found the New York Rock 'n' Roll Ensemble, a critically acclaimed group that fused classical with pop and recorded five albums before dissolving. In the 1970s, Kamen scored ballets, served as musical director for David Bowie's "Diamond Dogs" tour and began writing scores for film. Although he began in Hollywood working on offbeat films like "Polyester" and "Brazil," he turned more mainstream in the 1980s, working on the "Lethal Weapon" series, "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves," "Mr. Holland's Opus" and "X-Men," plus the HBO series "Band of Brothers." In 1991, Kamen earned his first Academy Award nomination for "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You," the Bryan Adams (news) pop hit from the movie, "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves." Co-written with Adams and Robert John "Mutt" Lange, the song received two Grammys. The three united in 1993 for "All for Love." In 1999, Kamen conducted the orchestra which backed Metallica on their S&M project. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:47:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap#2 (boo hoo hoo?) Grunge rockers STONE TEMPLE PILOTS have confirmed they've officially split up. The PLUSH band, who were superstars in the 1990s, have been plagued by troubled times time both personally and career-wise - they failed to replicate the astounding success of their first two albums, and on-off frontman SCOTT WEILAND has developed a heroin addiction and many concomitant legal problems. And the remaining band members have finally decided to call it quits. Lead guitarist DEAN DeLEO says, "Along with the beauty of STP there was a dark trail that went right along with it. There's not much I can look back on and say I really enjoyed, without wondering if the floor was going to drop from under us." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:00:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: short and sweet on 11/18/03 4:54 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > Nobody has ever described > intoxication in a manner that made it sound like anything other than the > worst thing imaginable. > > "a buzzing in your head" > "a mild fog that prevents you from thinking about some things" > "totally losing control of yourself" What about "desire to screw really unattractive people" and "uncontrollable vomiting" (sometimes simultaneously)? Surely that's enticing! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:22:36 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: short and sweet Tom Clark wrote: > > What about "desire to screw really unattractive people" and "uncontrollable > vomiting" (sometimes simultaneously)? Surely that's enticing! And don't forget: * loss of vision control (like your vertical hold has gone) * acute dehydration preventing further alcohol metabolism (aka "drinking yourself sober"; you're instantly drunk again after a glass of water). * a hangover that doesn't start until mid-afternoon. I had all of the above on 24-25 June 1993. I saw off about 3/4 of a bottle of Talisker in the "simmer dim" on Fair Isle. Stewart (it's okay, I'm a professional) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:26:24 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: I love wine Quoting Grunty : > Melatonin? as in the stuff you can buy in the vitamin section at the > drugstore? > i take this for sleeping disorders, one a night, i think it's 3 mg, hate to > be ignorant but what do you mean when you say it's hormonal? I think he meant it makes men grow huge, oppressive udders. Also: Jim Davies (not Eb) wrut: "I am always amazed at how little Americans drink." Damned straight - those five-foot fuckers sure can put 'em away. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:32:56 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: I love wine um....what does it do to women then? : D Grunty Da Warthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > I think he meant it makes men grow huge, oppressive udders. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:08:35 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: tux and wine Tuxes and wines - gotta be a Ben Folds album title in there somewhere. Till a few weeks ago, my drag:tux ratio was >1. Now it's even, as I had to suit up to be best man in a friend's wedding. On that score, I'm shooting 2 for 2 in the long, full-blown-Catholic-wedding-that-lasts-the-whole-afternoon versus shotgun-style-in-and-vowed-and-out-in-ten-minutes-or-your-next-one's-free match. And me a borderline atheist/agnostic - how do I manage this? Wines? I likes me a good Gewurtztraminer (whether or not that's how it's spelled) or two, and the odd Merlot, and, as I learned at a local winery (in central Indiana, b'lieve it or not) quite a few more white varieties than I would have guessed, a fresh-outta-the-barrel-and-not-yet-really-even-ready-for-the-bottle Reisling being Right Up There. (There was also a Pinot Grigio that smelled like a 4-H fair. Tasted much better than one, though.) da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:38:58 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: I love wine well i have taken my melatonin for the night and i am already dozing off.............lol yea it does work for me, quite well. Grunty gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > Melatonin is a hormone in your body. The melatonin bought in stores is a > synthetic hormone, but can work wonders in the correct dose. > > -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:42:03 -0500 From: "Michael T. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" (by way of ein kleines kinnemuzak ) Subject: review of Robyn in SF 11/17/03 Respectfully submitted, my setlist & review for last night's gig... hope it's not redundant, earlier recaps posted on some lists were missing "Uncorrected Personality Traits" and "Glass Hotel". I'm no longer subscribed to the main Fegmaniax list, if nobody's posted a review there yet, could someone please forward this? Tanx, -M. A strong show. Robyn seemed to be in an ebullient mood, and earlier on in the set most songs were prefaced by a lengthy (and occasionally relevant) discourse, although towards the end he chatted slightly less and focused more on the music. His playing was in excellent form all night, with tasty guitar work throughout the set. The audience seemed pretty chipper as well, with frequent shouted requests between songs and occasional interaction between Robyn and voices from the gallery. A piece of luck for me personally, me & my friends arrived at about 8:45 or so, shortly before Robyn took the stage. The Great American had put all the dinner tables out on the main floor, and the room was largely full except for - three cheers for my eagle-eyed friend Travlin - a single empty table right up in front of the stage. I could hardly believe it was true, but we waded up to it and sat down and nobody ever complained, so lucky us got to watch the show seated comfortably about 5 feet from Robyn. Robyn walked onto stage holding a nearly empty cup of tea and started with an observation that those who have been seeing him since he first played San Francisco have had an opportunity to watch him get grayer and fatter, and how rock & roll was an opportunity to watch people pucker up. (I realized at that moment that the first time I saw him, he was younger that I am now**. Yikes.) 1. I'm Only You - which ended with a very strong guitar solo, with Robyn so into it that when he was done he staggered backwards and knocked over his guitar stand. 2. I Got The Hots - which included the lyrics "she laughed a laugh that echoed around the Tenderloin" and a new, Lennonesque coda. A lengthy diatribe followed about how "cars in America are fattening again", how when he first came here in the 80s he expected to see all big American "scratchy" cars like in Dirty Harry (the first of several Dirty Harry references during the show) but all he saw when he got here were slim little Japanese cars, and "That's a long way to come to not be impressed by cars." And then, "Here is a song about fattening, a subject near and dear to my heart." [pause] "Either you get fat, or you shrivel. Either that, or you're cheating." 3. Balloon Man During the pause between songs, someone in the back of the house shouted out, "How about a song for our new governor" referring, of course, to the inauguration of Arne Saknussemm as California's governor earlier in the day. At this point something truly unbelievable occurred. Robyn leaned over to the mic, opened his mouth... and nothing came out. He was at a loss for words. He just stood there mute, with his mouth partially open, but no words coming out. I have never seen that happen before. Of course, it only took him a moment to regain his composure, and he was off and running about what a good move it was for Arnie to have said "I'll be back" instead of "I may be back", and say "Fuck you, asshole" instead of just saying "hnnnmmm..." and walking away. Robyn said that he himself would have said "I may be back", and dedicated the next song to Arnie. 4. Madonna of the Wasps 7. Glass Hotel Robyn noted that Glass Hotel had been recorded nearby at Hyde Street Studios, using the very same guitar he was playing last night. 5. You Remind Me Of You Next, "This is a song about inheritance." 7. No, I Don't Remember Guildford Brief intro: "That was one way of saying life isn't always great for humans. This is another." 8. Uncorrected Personality Traits - which he has written a very nice acoustic quitar part for and holds up very well in this arrangement. 9. Keep Finding Me 10. The Sound Of Sound Next Robyn spoke at some length about his fondness for Solpadeine - a codeine/caffeine combo unavailable in America but apparently quite nice for hangovers. It was an unusually candid moment for Robyn, much more personally revealing than he tends to be. Except for the occasional "Airscape" intro, I can't recall him ever directly talking about personal fondnesses or sorrows, without couching them in terms of cod and radishes and moldering brains and such. 11. Solpadeine - Robyn open-tuned his guitar and played slide for this one. If he ever auditions to join the Rolling Stones, this is the song to play. "Thanks, this is another English blues." 12. Sleeping With Your Devil Mask - which he afterward insisted has no metaphorical meaning whatsoever. (I resisted the urge to shout "So you mean that song isn't about cunnilingus?" In hindsight I sort of wish I had done it.) 13. Devil's Coachman 14. Queen Elvis 15. DeChirico St. "This goes out to my fur-lined woman." 16. I Feel Beautiful At which point Robyn left the stage, which was followed by footstomping so strong that I had to catch my glass when it vibrated off the table. The person at the table behind me wasn't quite that quick and their glass shattered noisily on the floor, to great effect. Robyn came back out a moment later, pausing to have a glass of red wine handed to him as he got back on stage. encore... 17. The Speed Of Things - which was a treat, I've always been very fond of that song. 18. Staying Alive - which he has cooked up an acoustic guitar part for and somehow, brilliantly, managed to make his own. It was really quite an enjoyable listen even beyond the obvious novelty value. Believe it or not. (And yes, he clearly sang "Staying" not "Stayin'") Someone shouted "Wading Through A Ventilator!", which Robyn said was a good idea and made an attempt to launch into, but then stopped and said, "I don't know if I can sing that now... I don't know if I could sing that then." (Of course, the bits of chatter I've transcribed here are nowhere near everything, just the bits I could scribble down quickly without distracting me from the show.) I believe at this point he went on about cellphones and cameras and such and how they're all evolving into one small, oblong device and how in the future kids will say "Don't forget the 'device'" when you leave the house, and will think it's funny that you had a separate device for just your voice. "This is from an album that is not for sale here, it's not for sale in the store - you just have to kind of squeeze it out of the air." 19. I Saw Nick Drake And that's it. As a plus, Luxor is on sale on this tour for $10, which allowed me to save a few bucks on it and still feel good that I gave my money directly to Robyn. Quite a treat, all in all. A few favorites, a few surprises, vivacious chatter, lots of good vibes and a strong performance throughout. My friend Travlin had never heard Robyn before and walked out saying he loved the show. You folks whose local shows are upcoming, you're in for a treat. Your humble scribe, Mike **bonus points to the mathematically inclined among you who can deduce my present age from that statement. - -- The 70 or so people at the party also included a number of lobbyists, one of whom went up to Schwarzenegger and joked, "Hi -- I'm one of those special interests you promised to get rid of." At which point Gov. Arnold threw his arm around the guy and laughed, "I lied." - -Matier & Ross, San Francisco Chronicle, Oct. 12, 2003, Page A-26 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:31:11 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: fruit of the vine At 09:58 PM 11/18/2003 -0500, Jill Brand wrote: >Different topic (I'm still spelling OK, but the screen is fuzzy): did >anyone at the Boston show (well, the only people I know who were there >were David Greenberger, Harold, and Eric) get totally annoyed/upset by the >person who yelled out to Robyn, "Stop talking!!!"? RH coolly replied, >"That's why I'm here" (or "That's why they are paying me"). I mean, uh, >that's like what he does, que no? I could understand if someone yelled to >Don Henley, "Stop singing!!!" but that's a whole different matter. Yeah, I thought that was pretty rude; I half expected RH to launch into an extra long monologue at that point just to piss the guy off ( I would have!), but he didn't seem to be in the mood -- and it didn't seem to bother him too much. All in all, I actually thought he didn't talk that much at all night. He seemed to be pretty serious in concentrating on the music -- not a lot of humor, stories, or even interaction with the audience. A good show, but somehow the mood -- either his or ours -- seemed just a bit off to me. Maybe it was the setup in Johnny D's. -- even with the small area in front of the stage cleared of tables it just felt too much like a restaurant (which, of course, it is) rather than a good concert space. (Speaking of which, we also had the added attraction of being able to see lots of people walking or running by on the street, and/or just stopping to look in the big window in the front, a la Storefront Hitchcock). (By the way, Jill - - it was nice to meet you and chat for a bit. Sorry we didn't stick around to talk after the show -- we needed to get on the road and get home -- we had a longish drive and both had to work the next day). >OK, back to the wine. Ken, I'm a big fat red fan myself. > >Jill I'm mostly a beer guy myself (bring on the British stouts and German dark stuff!), but we also often have wine with dinner -- I kinda like rieslings and pinot grigios and when drinking red like a nice cabernet sauvignon or the occasional merlot. Eric "not exactly a wine expert" "A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table wines. This is a pity as many fine Australian wines appeal not only to the Australian palate but also to the cognoscenti of Great Britain. Black Stump Bordeaux is rightly praised as a peppermint flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good Sydney Syrup can rank with any of the world's best sugary wines. Chbteau Blue, too, has won many prizes; not least for its taste, and its lingering afterburn. Old Smokey 1968 has been compared favourably to a Welsh claret, whilst the Australian Wino Society thoroughly recommends a 1970 Coq du Rod Laver, which, believe me, has a kick on it like a mule: 8 bottles of this and you're really finished. At the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club, they were fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour. Of the sparkling wines, the most famous is Perth Pink. This is a bottle with a message in, and the message is 'beware'. This is not a wine for drinking, this is a wine for laying down and avoiding. Another good fighting wine is Melbourne Old-and-Yellow, which is particularly heavy and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat. Quite the reverse is true of Chbteau Chunder, which is an appellation contrtlie, specially grown for those keen on regurgitation; a fine wine which really opens up the sluices at both ends. Real emetic fans will also go for a Hobart Muddy, and a prize winning Cuivre Reserve Chbteau Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga, which has a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit. " ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:43:04 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Klum on Coney (No RH) Who else is as stunned as myself that Eb hasn't forwarded a Kansan numerology update regarding Klum on Conan tonight? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: fruit of the vine On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Eric Loehr wrote: > He seemed to be pretty serious in concentrating on the music -- not a lot > of humor, stories, or even interaction with the audience. A good show, but > somehow the mood -- either his or ours -- seemed just a bit off to me. I was also left sort of unsure what I thought at the end of that show. I thought his spoken bits were fantastic, though; despite the weirdness of many of them, it was the first time I'd felt like it was absolutely not a nervous habit or a schtick, but simply a way (however roundabout) that he expresses himself. It was the music that only half-engaged me. Sorry I didn't meet any of the many fegs who seem to have been there. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:40:55 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: are we still in tux? Oh there are still DJs in clubs all right - old men sit around in them drinking cognac and smoking enormous cigars, while parked in musty leather archairs as they read Country Life... The population of Oxford, as Jim correctly pointed out, spends most of its time in DJs, with the English class system being denoted by the distinction of black or white tie... Cheers Matt. Me? Ballgown everytime... >From: Jim Davies > >Matt and I live in Oxford. During term time, there are DJs to be seen >all around. The tux kind, of course. > >There are also the other kind, too. But I'm too busy, or too old, to >go to clubs any more. Uh. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #427 ********************************