From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #416 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 7 2003 Volume 12 : Number 416 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thread Matrix ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: keanu [Capuchin ] Re: keanu [Ken Weingold ] Re: keanu ["Glen Uber" ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [John Barrington Jones ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Eb ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: keanu ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: keanu [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: possible feg-like gig? ["Grunty" ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: keanu [Aaron Mandel ] Keanu and related [Christopher Gross ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Keanu and related [Ken Weingold ] Re: keanu [Capuchin ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] We'll Have No Dork Things ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Eb ] Re: keanu [Capuchin ] Re: possible feg-like gig? [Capuchin ] Re: possible feg-like gig? [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Keanu and related [Capuchin ] Re: possible feg-like gig? [Steve Talkowski ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Re: possible feg-like gig? [Capuchin ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Eb ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Murdering William ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:49:29 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Thread Matrix At 01:39 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >I sometimes feel like everyone in LA thinks like this all time. Ever sometimes feel like every black man is a gansta? Same difference. >Surely Eb and Jason will roll their eyes at that comment, but I just felt >I have to share it. I was rolling my eyes more at your comment in Kill Bill. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > He was also good in Bill and Ted, as well as My Own Private Idaho. Rather, My Own Private Idaho was great despite Keanu. His Shakespeare was so, so, so bad. > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. Keanu does the dumb, bewildered guy (Ted, Parenthood, etc.) and Pitt does the twitchy, paranoid crazy guy (12 Monkeys, Snatch, Fight Club, Seven Years In Tibet). J. PS. Just kidding about SYIT. But I do think it was Brad Pitt's attempt to become Bill Murray. He failed. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:54:03 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. > > Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. Exactly. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:59:41 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: keanu This one time at band camp, Ken Weingold wrote: >On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: >> > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. >> >> Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. > >Exactly. Add Adam Sandler to that list. - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Capuchin wrote: > the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a > good night at the show. And why did you feel that it was your job to teach them? This smacks of elitism. "I feel something that the rest of you don't". =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:04:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > > Why would you want to sour the cinematic experience for everyone else in >> the theatre? > >I suppose that might have soured the "cinematic experience" for some of >the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a >good night at the show. Jeme...enlightening the world, wherever he goes. And saying Brad Pitt plays a paranoid, twitchy guy in every film is just plain *wrong*. Eb, not seeing the Matrix film anytime in the near future ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:10:09 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix - -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 7. November 2003 13:24 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, steve wrote: >> What do Fegs think of Kill Bill, V1? > > I was appalled that such horrible human mutilation was played for humor. Did you read my post? I felt that way about Pulp Fiction, but Kill Bill was fine, because it *obviously* isn't taking itself seriously. You don't have to like it, but to say that everybody who doesn't mind that kind of violence is insensitive goes too far. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:13:59 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: harumph oh man you just called me a kid ok i'm staying............. : D Grunty Da Warthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > Is my scintillating wit not enough for you? > > The kids have no appreciation for the art of the bon mot, these days. > > :P > > n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:13:15 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: keanu At 01:59 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Glen Uber wrote: >This one time at band camp, Ken Weingold wrote: > > >On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > >> > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. > >> > >> Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. > > > >Exactly. > >Add Adam Sandler to that list. I was just saying the same thing about Denzil Washington recently. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:16:53 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: keanu - -- Glen Uber is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 7. November 2003 13:59 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: keanu: >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: >>> > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. >>> >>> Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. Pitt does his better than Reeves does his ... > Add Adam Sandler to that list. I'm not so sure. I'm not a fan, actually I haven't seen any of the films he's known for, but I saw Punch-Drunk Love and thought he wasn't half-bad. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:18:11 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: possible feg-like gig? hey hey............my name has been Grunty for a while and has NOTHING to do with that song. there is already a Mucky somewhere i am sure, but it's not me. and i am a WARTHAWG btw. ; ) Grunty Da Warthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > Grunty? It's Mucky dammit! ;) > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:22:12 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix Quoting Capuchin : > The people there were insensitive. They were laughing at pain. > > I think they stopped laughing because they were suddenly re-sensitized. Am I the only one hearing this spoken in the voice of Comic-Book Guy? > I suppose that might have soured the "cinematic experience" for some of > the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a > good night at the show. Which, of course, is what they paid for. Although I suppose the drive-by enlightenment might have provided some entertainment value. In a completely other context, I was talking with someone about the difference between things-in-fantasy and things-in-reality. (Okay, it was about Britney Spears' nipples.) It's eminently possible, even likely, that things overplayed to obviously unrealistic effect (the violence in KB1 - which I haven't seen, so this is more a general comment than a specific one) can be entertaining or even something about ten miles down the road to Cathartic: 500 Miles, while at the same time being absolutely not what these people would endorse in real life. I mean, we go to horror movies, we cry at heartbreaking scenarios, we laugh at people slipping on banana peels (modern-day equivalent: dog turds) - are we all masochists? I think the reason people were laughing is way more complex than simple insensitivity to others' pain - which, of course, was not "pain," since they were actors on a screen portraying characters in a screenplay. There was no more "pain" in the movie than there is a bullet in this "gun" you're reading about. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'm not so sure. I'm not a fan, actually I haven't seen any of the films > he's known for, but I saw Punch-Drunk Love and thought he wasn't half-bad. I liked Punch-Drunk Love a lot, but the effect kind of depended, for me, on mostly hating Sandler and his character but empathizing with him on a visceral level anyway. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Keanu and related > > Little Buddha. > > he was good in Little Buddha. > > > > he's the Uncarved Block. > > He was also good in Bill and Ted, as well as My Own Private Idaho. You're all forgetting Keanu's greatest role, as the semiconscious stoner in I Love You to Death! He was also competent, at least, in The Devil's Advocate. > > Why would you want to sour the cinematic experience for everyone else > > in the theatre? > > I suppose that might have soured the "cinematic experience" for some of > the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a > good night at the show. Thank god you were there to give them what you think is important, instead of what they actually wanted. - --Chris, who rather liked the first Matrix and hasn't seen the sequels ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:39:17 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix At 01:48 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >The people there were insensitive. They were laughing at pain. > >I think they stopped laughing because they were suddenly re-sensitized. And here I thought we were in agreement about how boring Messiahs can be. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:54:52 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Keanu and related On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > > He was also good in Bill and Ted, as well as My Own Private Idaho. > > You're all forgetting Keanu's greatest role, as the semiconscious stoner > in I Love You to Death! He was also competent, at least, in The Devil's > Advocate. Oh yeah, you're right. Right up his schtick. > --Chris, > who rather liked the first Matrix and hasn't seen the sequels Same here. Not on purpose, though. Just haven't gotten around to seeing them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > Add Adam Sandler to that list. I totally disagree with this. I think Billy Madison and Punch Drunk Love are bother great examples of different things that Adam Sandler does well. Sorry to say it, really, but it's true. OK, maybe it's ONLY those two things, but that's one more than Pitt or Keanu. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, John Barrington Jones wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a > > good night at the show. > > And why did you feel that it was your job to teach them? > This smacks of elitism. "I feel something that the rest of you don't". I'm sorry you misread my post, perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't intend to share that comment with the entire theater, but as a result of my attempt to make it sound authentic to my friend, the entire theater heard. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:45:55 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: We'll Have No Dork Things >>Jill, whose son's bronchitis has morphed into pneumonia Oooh. Be very careful with that. I missed about three months of my life, the Turn of the Century/Millenium included, with that shit. Stranded in West Virginia, no less. Truly thought I was going to die for all kinds of reasons. My wife has only recently forgiven my father for letting me play a gig with him the night before I went into the hospital. Dark times. Me then Jeme: >>>> You definitely had the "A" plot of that episode. I've been really pretty >>>> much in a "B" plot, supporting character mode lately. On a few >>>> different shows, actually. Eb's appears to have a stronger writing >>>> staff this season. >>I sometimes feel like everyone in LA thinks like this all time. I hope it was clear that I was being a bit satirical/self-deprecating there. Plus, nobody who can understand the language I used can be completely excused from a bit of the mentality themselves. >>Surely Eb and Jason will roll their eyes at that comment, but I just felt >>I have to share it. ... and this comment is going to be jumped on when coming in such close proximity to the Kill Bill theatre commentary story, but you probably knew that. I take it literally: you felt compelled to share it, just as in the theatre story, although you knew it would cause trouble. Without being nasty about it-- as a friend, even: do take a look at the consequences of these urges. np. in preparation for tonight's show: Bunnymen, "Porcupine". I think this is the most, erm, propulsive "dark" record that I truly love. Most of my bleak bummer-rock favorites have that ragged, slow, falling-apart vibe thing to 'em, but this puppy is tighter than a (insert rude metaphor here). And as Dirk McGirk might say, it pax quite a wallet. It's this kind of thing that makes me see Nine Inch Nails as kind of one-dimensional and listless. (Which is not to say that one kind of downbeat record is superior to another, just that this one really works for me the way most others don't.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Eb wrote: > Jeme...enlightening the world, wherever he goes. If you failed to understand what I meant in the same was as the lobsterman, perhaps you'll get it with my clarification. > And saying Brad Pitt plays a paranoid, twitchy guy in every film is just > plain *wrong*. Are you purposely misunderstanding? I wrote that he does one thing WELL. He fails at everything else... as an actor... in my opinion. Sheesh, listen up. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, > 7. November 2003 13:24 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix: > > I was appalled that such horrible human mutilation was played for humor. > > Did you read my post? I did, but had a different opinion. I assume that's OK with you. > I felt that way about Pulp Fiction, but Kill Bill was fine, because it > *obviously* isn't taking itself seriously. I don't get that, really. I understand that the violence in Reservoir Dogs was OK because it was played as foul and painful and carried appropriate weight and meaning. In Pulp Fiction, it was played as cool and ladled gratuitously and carried no weight whatsoever. But here, it's played as funny and ladled even more gratuitously, but the motivations for the violence were ugly and hateful, so how do you get the humor? > You don't have to like it, but to say that everybody who doesn't mind > that kind of violence is insensitive goes too far. I watched Dead Or Alive, that ultra-violent Korean/Japanese flick. The humor there was clear because the violence was both gratuitous and largely unmotivated, so it was absurd and funny. In Kill Bill, the motivations make the violence "understandable" (you know WHY they do what they do and it's played as an appropriate response in that world) and that removes the absurdity and makes it really sick. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:38:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix >Jeme, eerily resembling a human being less and less: >I didn't intend to share that comment with the entire theater, but as a >result of my attempt to make it sound authentic to my friend, the entire >theater heard. Nevertheless, you asserted that the audience "took something more important away" as a result of overhearing your timeless wisdom. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > >On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > >> > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. > > >> Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. > > I was just saying the same thing about Denzil Washington recently. I'm 100% with you on that one. Phew. Fewer notes than Yanni. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:43:59 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: possible feg-like gig? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Grunty wrote: > and i am a WARTHAWG btw. What the hell is a WARTHAWG? (Oh, and could you please trim the unnecessary quotations from your posts and maybe respond after the quoted context. That is the convention on this list, has been for years, and it works great. This list can take just about any little side comment and run it into a long thread, so maintaining consistency is really important. Thanks heaps.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: possible feg-like gig? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Capuchin wrote: > (Oh, and could you please trim the unnecessary quotations from your posts > and maybe respond after the quoted context. That is the convention on PLEASE TELL ME WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT TOP-POSTING VS BOTTOM-POSTING. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Keanu and related On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > You're all forgetting Keanu's greatest role, as the semiconscious stoner > in I Love You to Death! It WAS great and it's very much in his milieu. > He was also competent, at least, in The Devil's Advocate. Gads... I don't think I can buy that. But mere competence isn't really at issue here (though it easily could be), we're talking about doing one thing well. I don't think anyone would say that he did well, merely competent (though I disagree -- maybe you just liked the movie otherwise?). [me, then Chris] > > I suppose that might have soured the "cinematic experience" for some > > of the people, but hopefully they took something more important away > > than a good night at the show. > > Thank god you were there to give them what you think is important, > instead of what they actually wanted. OK, clearly I gave the impression that I intentionally shouted this to the crowd. I hope I've made the truth clear. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:51:54 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: possible feg-like gig? too late. - -Steve, purposely top-posting to provoke and piss-off the pontificator... On Nov 7, 2003, at 6:46 PM, John Barrington Jones wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Capuchin wrote: > >> (Oh, and could you please trim the unnecessary quotations from your >> posts >> and maybe respond after the quoted context. That is the convention on > > PLEASE TELL ME WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT TOP-POSTING > VS > BOTTOM-POSTING. > > =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Eb wrote: > Nevertheless, you asserted that the audience "took something more > important away" as a result of overhearing your timeless wisdom. Again, I think you're reading what you want to read. I wrote that I HOPED [in retrospect] they took something more important away. I did NOT assert that they did any such thing. Please be more *ahem* critical in your reading. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: possible feg-like gig? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, John Barrington Jones wrote: > PLEASE TELL ME WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT TOP-POSTING VS > BOTTOM-POSTING. Did we ever? I don't remember it EVER being an issue on this list. It seems like everyone here has just always done the same thing and it's worked great. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:58:12 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix Jason Brown KNG Taxonomy Team KNG/MSWeb Best Bets http://msweb/ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Capuchin > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:40 PM > To: Nerdy Groovers > Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > Jeme the enlightened spoketh: > In Pulp Fiction, it was played as cool and ladled gratuitously and carried > no weight whatsoever. But here, it's played as funny and ladled even more > gratuitously, but the motivations for the violence were ugly and hateful, > so how do you get the humor? The humor is the execution of the violence it's like a fucking live action Roadrunner cartoon gone horribly wrong. > In Kill Bill, the motivations make the violence "understandable" (you know > WHY they do what they do and it's played as an appropriate response in > that world) and that removes the absurdity and makes it really sick. I think you are looking for something in this film that simply isn't there. There is no meaning to the violence. The whole film is an exercise in genre and style. I wasn't that crazy about the film myself but I don't get why you are being so high and mighty about this. I think your opinion is a reasonable one but they way you are expressing it makes you look like a pompous elitist asshole. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:04:14 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: We'll Have No Dork Things On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Jeme: > >>I sometimes feel like everyone in LA thinks like this all time. > > I hope it was clear that I was being a bit satirical/self-deprecating > there. It was clear and it was funny. I wasn't being literal, either, but I knew those folks would take it as such no matter what. > Plus, nobody who can understand the language I used can be completely > excused from a bit of the mentality themselves. I think you can understand the language without ever having applied it as a metaphor to real life. In fact, it's kind of a creepy thing to me. > >>Surely Eb and Jason will roll their eyes at that comment, but I just felt > >>I have to share it. > > ... and this comment is going to be jumped on when coming in such close > proximity to the Kill Bill theatre commentary story, but you probably > knew that. Actually, I didn't and still don't see a connection. > I take it literally: you felt compelled to share it, just as in the > theatre story, although you knew it would cause trouble. Um, compelled to share the story or the comment within the story? > Without being nasty about it-- as a friend, even: do take a look at the > consequences of these urges. It's just a mailing list. I don't think the consequences are too dire. [And I would call you a friend, too, if it came down to it.] [You know, you guys could totally do away with my responding to nearly every post on here if you just worked for labor reform. I mean, if I could just go home when there was nothing to do, I wouldn't have to sit here at this desk and find something to fill my idle minutes. -- but today's bosses can't understanding paying full-time pay for a person who's only there half-time, even if they're job doesn't demand M-F 9-5 attention. Bah.] Vented, J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > I think you are looking for something in this film that simply isn't > there. There is no meaning to the violence. The whole film is an > exercise in genre and style. Yes, there IS meaning. It's a revenge story. If it were just about visuals and gratuitous violence, it would be more like Dead Or Alive. > I wasn't that crazy about the film myself but I don't get why you are > being so high and mighty about this. Who's being high and mighty? I just think it's yucky! I didn't tell you not to go see it! Have we really gotten to the point where even those who DO NOT censure others are called "high and mighty" for not going along with the crowd? > I think your opinion is a reasonable one but they way you are expressing > it makes you look like a pompous elitist asshole. Wow. Can you tell me how that's coming across? What words or phrases make you think those things? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:06:34 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > > Nevertheless, you asserted that the audience "took something more > > important away" as a result of overhearing your timeless wisdom. > >I wrote that I HOPED [in retrospect] they took something more important >away. I did NOT assert that they did any such thing. So, in other words, you HOPE they were up to the challenge of appreciating your incisive truth. But alas, this may not have been the case since we're talking about those horrible Hollywood-brainwashed peons. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Eb wrote: > >I wrote that I HOPED [in retrospect] they took something more important > >away. I did NOT assert that they did any such thing. > > So, in other words, you HOPE they were up to the challenge of > appreciating your incisive truth. But alas, this may not have been the > case since we're talking about those horrible Hollywood-brainwashed > peons. Now you're just inventing ways to think negative thoughts. If you put half as much effort into being charitable as you must into finding ways to be nasty and hateful, you'd maybe have fewer health problems and fights with your lady friends. I'll go ahead and lay it out for you, if I must: I HOPED that they got something positive out of what I said and that it was better than what they would have gotten otherwise because I would not like to think that I made someone's day worse. Is that clear enough to see through the smog? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:28:20 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Murdering William At 03:40 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >In Kill Bill, the motivations make the violence "understandable" (you know >WHY they do what they do and it's played as an appropriate response in >that world) and that removes the absurdity and makes it really sick. Understanding the motivations of the characters doesn't necessarily remove the overall absurdity of the scene at all. There are numerous other elements in the film that continue to make it purposefully absurd. One thing I appreciate about Tarantino films is that unlike most any action flick or thriller, the consequences of the violent acts are dealt with and the results of violence are focused upon and not brushed aside. People killed or wounded most often just don't drop off screen and out of the storyline, but continue to become an integral part of the plot. And the brutality is shown to have powerful, unfavorable effects in the universe of the film, sometimes to the point of tweaking an audience's reaction to otherwise likeable main characters. Even in Kill Bill, seeing the maimed Crazy 88 writhing on a blood-soaked floor brought home the fact that super-human stunts of an unbelievable action hero would not be as sanitary as most movies in the martial-arts genre would portray them to be. And surprise shock after the first on-screen (but second in the actual timeline of the story) murder of one of Uma's fellow assassins had a similar effect. At 04:04 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >I wasn't being literal, either, but I knew >those folks would take it as such no matter what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're such a misunderstood genius. Don't take that literally, either. ;) At 03:41 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > > >On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > > >> > Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. > > > >> Keanu and Pitt both have one schtick that they do really well. > > > > I was just saying the same thing about Denzil Washington recently. > >I'm 100% with you on that one. Phew. Ah, my feet suddenly grew very, very cold. I assume something beneath me just froze over. Or my space heater is suffering from Bizarro World syndrome. >Fewer notes than Yanni. Fuck you, Jeme. Yanni rocks. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #416 ********************************